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AnKahn Caldari Rebirth. Ashes to Agony	Posted - 2008.08.04 02:53:00 - [31] Ahh, so this is actually a nerf to GUNS! Sweet, since I haven't gotten around to guns yet. Thanks again for enlightenment.
Morgan La'Chance Caldari Dynamic Reallocation and Logistics	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:55:00 - [32] Quote: Killed your T2 BC's, did they? Now I imagine you know how Gallente pilots feel. Because clearly, making the Eos not outdamage every single Field Command Ship is as harsh a blow as making Minmatar ships heavy pieces of dead weight without speed, agility, acceleration and with worse guns to boot. Why the ** do people whine about Vagabonds!? I can agree with nanos NEEDING A NERF, but the way it is being done now is just ridiculous. Nerf/rebalance polys and speed mods, but making speed next to useless for a ship designed for nothing but speed (falloff range bonus for playing outside of web range, speed bonus for, eh, speed) is just really **ing silly and just another nail in the coffin aptly labeled "Minmatar ships that are not Ruptures or Hurricanes".
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:56:00 - [33] Vagabons were effective speed tankers before the nano-age and rigs. They'll continue to be after. WHiners shut up, your abuse ruined the game. ----------------- Friends Forever
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.04 03:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Vagabons were effective speed tankers before the nano-age and rigs. They'll continue to be after. WHiners shut up, your abuse ruined the game. Well excuse **ing me. Am I allowed to *** about my Megathron, Hyperion, Rokh, Tempest, and Maelstrom getting nerfed? -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
Ess Erbe Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.08.04 04:01:00 - [35] Edited by: Ess Erbe on 04/08/2008 04:02:01 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Vagabons were effective speed tankers before the nano-age and rigs. They'll continue to be after. WHiners shut up, your abuse ruined the game. This affects so much more than Vagabonds, yet Vagabonds is what the whiners are whining about for no real reason. Also, pre-Poly Vagabonds and post-EA 1.1-Vagabonds will be VERY. VERY. DIFFERENT. Enjoy your 20+ seconds to reach max speed and an align time rivalling that of a plated battleship with a non-pulseable MWD. **** this shit, I'm flying nothing but Ruptures and Vigils from now on.
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.04 04:43:00 - [36] Originally by: Ess Erbe Edited by: Ess Erbe on 04/08/2008 04:02:01 Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Vagabons were effective speed tankers before the nano-age and rigs. They'll continue to be after. WHiners shut up, your abuse ruined the game. This affects so much more than Vagabonds, yet Vagabonds is what the whiners are whining about for no real reason. Also, pre-Poly Vagabonds and post-EA 1.1-Vagabonds will be VERY. VERY. DIFFERENT. Enjoy your 20+ seconds to reach max speed and an align time rivalling that of a plated battleship with a non-pulseable MWD. ** this shit, I'm flying nothing but Ruptures and Vigils from now on. OMG 20 seconds, whole patch is borked. Blaster BS's cant close, blah blah blah. OK, I agree. But dont invalidate teh whole patch because of that. Make constructive threads like others have addressing the inertia/mass issues. ----------------- Friends Forever**
Escobar Noreaga Amarr F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.04 05:15:00 - [37] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Zurin Arctus Probably because several blubbering nano pilots like yourself have asked me why CCP isn't listening like they did to the carrier pilots? emorage Quote: your T2 BC's, did they? Now I imagine you know how Gallente pilots feel. (stuff) zzzz . The claymore's bonuses are now a lot less useful too. everyone goes slower, so guess what, if theres a claymore in the gang for more speed bonuses, its not quite so useless now is it. Quote: Oh, What's wrong with the Muninn again? more stuff Quote: Because nano-gangs made it about skill. more drivel Quote: null
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.04 06:30:00 - [38] Originally by: Haniblecter Teg OMG 20 seconds, whole patch is borked. Blaster BS's cant close, blah blah blah. OK, I agree. But dont invalidate teh whole patch because of that. Make constructive threads like others have addressing the inertia/mass issues. I'm not (totally) against a nano nerf. I'd like to see dedicated nano ships remain viable in their current role. Despite what you may think, they will not be viable. So pardon me if I lament the death of the Vagabond, Huginn, Rapier, Stabber, Claymore, Sleipnir, et al. But also pardon me if I complain about the random Minmatar ner**e, and most especially to ships that certainly did not* need a nerf. I always wanted my Tempest to be outrun by Hyperions. Oh, but Minmatar will remain the fastest race, you say. Nothing is lost, and it's a huge boost because nobody else will be impinging upon your domain! Not really. It's pretty easy to deliver 500 DPS at any range on a maxed out Vagabond post nerf. Oh, but then you need to speed tank within web range. Oh, got it. I guess by speed tank you mean get obliterated by neuts and wtfpwnt by torps? FFS I'm glad I have Caldari BS5 with T2 Cruise/Torps. Seems to be about the only thing that'll be worth flying after this "rebalancing". Awww hell, let's just call it what it is: Minmatar/Gallente nerf//Caldari/Amarr boost. Oh, but make constructive threads instead of whining! Suggest changes! We are. Hundreds of them. They're not listening. -Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.04 06:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Zurin Arctus Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:19:27 Edited by: Zurin Arctus on 03/08/2008 19:15:23 This nano nerf is not going to be gamebreaking, nor will it result in people who have trained for very long periods of time being unable to do anything constructive with their ships. Vagabonds will still be capable, as will the other 'nano ships.' This nerf is intended to stop the abuse of nano-gangs, which sometimes becomes so severe that some alliances (ahem, TRI, PL) use this tactic, and little else. So stop thinking public outcry (that is, getting on all of your alts and whining endlessly) will cow CCP. If the changes are excessive, CCP will adjust them appropriately, but the alarmist threads on "the death of nano-ships" are way out of line. This is an adjustment to make combat more balanced and enjoyable for everyone in the eve universe. Nano pilots, try flying something other than a vagabond or nano-tar sometime. You might enjoy it. So did you wake up this morning and say"wow, im going to lack creativity in a post"or does it just come naturally? I mean really. I agree with you but hell post about it in the hundreds of other threads floating around. And I thought returning to ships and modules forum was a good idea.
Elhina Novae Amarr Destruction Reborn CORPVS DELICTI	Posted - 2008.08.04 10:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/08/2008 20:23:02 Originally by: Elhina Novae Sometimes I wonder if people actually bother with Singularity... You can still have fun with speed pew pew and even survive in webrange using an Afterburner and blah blah. ORLY? My raven says you can't. :) -Liang Ed: And I'm not even going to talk about what my neut domi will do to your tank. :) Wow so like... Specific situations has specific counters? That blows lets make an Omnimobile for everyone who used to nano? ------------ Somebody set up us the bomb

Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2008.08.04 10:55:00 - [41] Edited by: Esmenet on 04/08/2008 10:58:32 Originally by: Elhina Novae Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 03/08/2008 20:23:02 Originally by: Elhina Novae Sometimes I wonder if people actually bother with Singularity... You can still have fun with speed pew pew and even survive in webrange using an Afterburner and blah blah. ORLY? My raven says you can't. :) -Liang Ed: And I'm not even going to talk about what my neut domi will do to your tank. :) Wow so like... Specific situations has specific counters? That blows lets make an Omnimobile for everyone who used to nano? Umm this patch just increases the omnimobile situation with the raven/apoc beeing the kings of just about everything. Nanoships were never any kind of omnimobile. Vote against the nano nerf!

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