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McOsker
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:49:00 -
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How many times have you logged on only to find out your being screwed again. Have spent months training only to have CCP spit in your face. Most of us who have played for along time love playing the game, and don't spend forever and a day on the forms, cause we would rather be playing. Or at least I would. And with every new change I set back and take it. Over and over, CCP just doesn't seem to care. I remember when picking a race meant something, when training for months gave you an advantage over people, When you could make it by pretty much doing whatever, whenever you wanted. Now all the races are getting closer to each other, people being nerfed causes them to have to spend more time training new skills, only with the chance that once they can use something it to will be nerfed. So instead of just setting back and taking it like we always do, lets do something. I bet if 5000+ angry EVE members where to cancel It would make CCP wake up. I am not saying we should, but then again maybe????? All I know is EVE is starting to turn into a different game then I fell in love with when I started playing. If this nerfing and other "great new things" CCP keeps coming up with continues it will be nothing like they game we all love.. Lets take time to think about this. I know many of people will come in here read this and tell me I don't know anything, I am stupid and that I should leave eve. But lets come together and start getting CCP to see the real problems and stop making stupid changes to a great game. Or we are doomed to have a huge carebear game where nothing can be an advantage to anyone. Real life isn't like that, and EVE shouldn't be like that. So what are we going to do??????
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Lui Kai
Better Than You
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:49:00 -
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Your wall of text, can I have it? ---------------- Ambulation Answers
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Bazman
Caldari Shinra
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker So what are we going to do??????
We should alert the CSM to whats happening, have them voice our concerns to CCP.
Also we should add trombones. -----
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.04 01:54:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker How many times have you logged on only to find out your being screwed again. Have spent months training only to have CCP spit in your face. Most of us who have played for along time love playing the game, and don't spend forever and a day on the forms, cause we would rather be playing. Or at least I would. And with every new change I set back and take it. Over and over, CCP just doesn't seem to care. I remember when picking a race meant something, when training for months gave you an advantage over people, When you could make it by pretty much doing whatever, whenever you wanted. Now all the races are getting closer to each other, people being nerfed causes them to have to spend more time training new skills, only with the chance that once they can use something it to will be nerfed. So instead of just setting back and taking it like we always do, lets do something. I bet if 5000+ angry EVE members where to cancel It would make CCP wake up. I am not saying we should, but then again maybe????? All I know is EVE is starting to turn into a different game then I fell in love with when I started playing. If this nerfing and other "great new things" CCP keeps coming up with continues it will be nothing like they game we all love.. Lets take time to think about this. I know many of people will come in here read this and tell me I don't know anything, I am stupid and that I should leave eve. But lets come together and start getting CCP to see the real problems and stop making stupid changes to a great game. Or we are doomed to have a huge carebear game where nothing can be an advantage to anyone. Real life isn't like that, and EVE shouldn't be like that. So what are we going to do??????
And when did you start playing it? Obviously not long enough ago to realize that these things come and go, and you ride the wave.
If you don't like the game, by all means, be smart and good to yourself and don't play. Hell, I don't even mind if you come online and tell us why it bothers you. But quit trying to treat CCP like it's the same age as you, and thus vulnerable to threats and insults.
This is seriously pathetic. Move on and grow up. Trying to spark "5000+ angry EVE members" to cancel is what a teenager would do. I hope you get banned for this BS trash.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:02:00 -
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Use more question marks, and build a larger wall of text. People will be more likely to listen to your "argument" then.
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McOsker
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:03:00 -
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oh now we see the people who read forms all day coming out..... Have fun guys I am going to return to game play.
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Another Liberthas
Caldari Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker oh now we see the people who read forms all day coming out..... Have fun guys I am going to return to game play.
Yes, I read forms all day. It's my job.
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FlameGlow
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:05:00 -
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So, basically OP wrote a wall of text about being shafted for training FOTM?
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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:05:00 -
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Actually in the beginning, there was no T2 and the fits and ships we see now weren't there. Now some have T2 glory, some are T1 variants. I sort of agree with you. This is another NOS 'balance' and in 4 months nobody will view speed as having anything to do with Eve. In a game that has a thousand, one trick ponies you can't gouge out 25% of the spec table and not expect it to have massive impact. Unfortunately the boards are a place to manufacture one line cliches and a good place to pick a fight so we have very little alternative but to accept it or leave. GL in the new game you choose. |
Lothros Andastar
Gallente MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker
I bet if 5000+ angry EVE members where to cancel It would make CCP wake up.
Sir, if 5000+ people RAGEQUIT right now it would make CCP the happiest people in the world, as it would stall the need to upgrade the servers for a good while and would make me the happiest player in EvE as it would:
a) Increase the average IQ by about 50 points (49 of which come from you leaving)
b) Reduces lag :)
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.04 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lothros Andastar
Originally by: McOsker
I bet if 5000+ angry EVE members where to cancel It would make CCP wake up.
Sir, if 5000+ people RAGEQUIT right now it would make CCP the happiest people in the world, as it would stall the need to upgrade the servers for a good while and would make me the happiest player in EvE as it would:
a) Increase the average IQ by about 50 points (49 of which come from you leaving)
b) Reduces lag :)
It would also probably have a profound effect on the forum population, don't you think? This is all hoping that the 5000+ players quiting are also related to the major whiners and complainers on the boards, it might end up being the healthiest thing that's happened to the game.
It would hurt, though. For a little while ;?j
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Hells Sorrow
Minmatar Ideal Machine Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:08:00 -
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First off the patch hasnt come yet and there will be changes I am sure. So in the proposed patch they want to level out the speed freaks and I dont see a problem with that except ya kinda break the back of the Mini race, where there bonus is speed based and a lot of the fitting types reflect that. The biggest reflection to that is the Vagabond, yeah its a fast somewhat unfair ship but thats its purpose a speed tank. Its really not a great ship to begin with on sheer reason most people dont know how to fly one well. I do agree with that of the missile issue, seeing that most missiles are being outrun by intercepters and nanos. that should never happen with smaller launchers. What I fear is that the game is getting pushed in to a tank fest, who can have the best tank and larger gang. I like the high speed low drag small gang catchin people ratting. I am not so fond of who has the most ships gang like in fleet battles, comes more to numbers then strategy. We will have to see what happens with the new patch and see how things go. McOskers frustration is shared with me as I am a Mini pilot and we seem to not get much love in these Patches. I feel for the old nos runners when ya would see Domi in system and think twice about it just because he might be a T2 fitted nos ***** with T2 drones....lol Anyway thats my take. Fly safe
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker Howmanytimeshaveyouloggedononlytofindoutyourbeingscrewedagain.Havespentmonthst rainingonlytohaveCCPspitinyourface.Mostofuswhohaveplayedforalongtimeloveplayingthegame,anddon't spendforeverandadayontheforms,causewewouldratherbeplaying.OratleastIwould.Andwitheverynewchange Isetbackandtakeit.Overandover,CCPjustdoesn'tseemtocare.Irememberwhenpickingaracemeantsomething, whentrainingformonthsgaveyouanadvantageoverpeople,Whenyoucouldmakeitbyprettymuchdoingwhatever, wheneveryouwanted.Nowalltheracesaregettingclosertoeachother,peoplebeingnerfedcausesthemtohavet ospendmoretimetrainingnewskills,onlywiththechancethatoncetheycanusesomethingittowillbenerfed. Soinsteadofjustsettingbackandtakingitlikewealwaysdo,letsdosomething.Ibetif5000+angryEVEmember swheretocancelItwouldmakeCCPwakeup.Iamnotsayingweshould,butthenagainmaybe?????AllIknowisEVEis startingtoturnintoadifferentgamethenIfellinlovewithwhenIstartedplaying.Ifthisnerfingandother" greatnewthings"CCPkeepscomingupwithcontinuesitwillbenothingliketheygamewealllove..Letstaketim etothinkaboutthis.IknowmanyofpeoplewillcomeinherereadthisandtellmeIdon'tknowanything,Iamstupid andthatIshouldleaveeve.ButletscometogetherandstartgettingCCPtoseetherealproblemsandstopmakingst upidchangestoagreatgame.Orwearedoomedtohaveahugecarebeargamewherenothingcanbeanadvantagetoanyo ne.Reallifeisn'tlikethat,andEVEshouldn'tbelikethat.Sowhatarewegoingtodo??????
fixed the wall of text for you
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Hells Sorrow
Minmatar Ideal Machine Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:12:00 -
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Lol the 5000+ remark was a slight exageration I feel and sayin if 5000 people just quit the game dont ya think that would have a profound effect on the game in terms of CCP not gettin that money? its like the government sayin well this month were takin out an extra $500 from your paycheck this month... Everyone takes things way too literal. And there is a comment of IQ...ha
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McOsker
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:23:00 -
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I don't want 5000+ people to quit. but it would be great to get more people giving positive input that helps build the game in a more positive manner. I just see slowly all the in game freedom we all enjoy slowly dieing. I like going up against a ship in PVP and having a clue what I am up against but I can never to to sure. But if ships and ship types keep getting hit so that they can only do what they are meant for, or so they no longer have the edge that made the ship worth training, where is the surprise?
I am not complaining about training either. As a matter of fact its one thing I love about the game. If I need to train something I can set it come back when its done and that is it. I don't have to spend hours doing stupid missions and trying to level up. I just think it suck that you spend hours/weeks/months training so you can get the most out of your ship and it gets nerfed to a point where you could have stoped training at lev 2 instead of pimping out your skills to lev 5.
My mean problem is that when someone uses there brain and comes up with a way to fit or use a ship for there advantage someone thinks its not fair and has to complain. Then a nerf comes, and people who spend hours training and a lot of time thinking and testing setups gets screwed just cause so one got butt hurt.
As Captain Jack said "there are only to things that matter, what a man can do and what a man can't do."
so let us do what we can, and for those who can't instead of just nerfing others, have the people who can't learn how they can do the things they need to do to survive.
In real life we would find ways to trick people and to get the edge in a universe of war. Ships wouldn't only be used for what they are meant for. So the more we limit everything the more we start to take away form what we can do and just add to the list of what we can't do
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Runner647
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:25:00 -
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If you want FPS PvP go play a FPS game... EVE is not for you
Contract all your stuff to me, while your at it.
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McOsker
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:29:00 -
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All I have ever done in EVE is PVP.... Its a lot of fun.....
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.04 03:29:00 -
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Don't over specialize, it'll bite you in the ass eventually.
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Stephen Katze
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:04:00 -
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Quote removed! -Taera
all because you were nano-nerfed? boo hoo. how many examples do we have to dig up of changes for the 'sake of balance' that people threatened to OMGQUIT over, due to the injustice of it all?
calm down. take a deep breath. then quit.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:09:00 -
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Games get balanced. MMO games get balanced constantly. Hell even Starcraft had to tweak the numbers.
If you set your training expecting whatever the FOTM is to last, you are cheating yourself. Quit with all the level 5's and work on a broad list of 4's. You'll be nearly as effective and you won't be so hyperspecialized.
Specilaiztion is good but like all good things you can have too much.
Alternately, yes CCP has screwed you specifically, you poor, poor fool. The nano nerf has nothing to do with everyone and their mothers fitting MWD. It's not because the physics engine was "Broken". CCP just hates you and can't stand taking your $15 every month.
EVE will soldier on without you. The Matari will still be damned dangerous in PVP and hopefully I'll be there shooting at them with all the things I bought after selling your stuff.
Can I have your stuff?
-Galan
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McOsker
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:15:00 -
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I don't remember saying anything about nano nerfing??????? or the up coming patch..
I am more speaking in a general terms here.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:26:00 -
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Obviously you were talking about the rumored upcoming industry buff... *Har* *Har* *Har*
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:36:00 -
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Wall of text. Ouch.
My suggestion to you, if you keep training stuff to only have it nerfed, is stop training the flavor of the month, and think for yourself.
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Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:46:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker I don't remember saying anything about nano nerfing??????? or the up coming patch..
I am more speaking in a general terms here.
Well since CCP hasn't bothered to actually drop by anyone's house to launch facial spittle, its pretty bloody obvious you are "sandy" about the nano nerf.
Still if you want to pretend that's not what launched your rage, do elaborate. How do you feel that CCP has specifically abused you.
Show us on the doll where CCP touched you.
-Galan
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McOsker
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Posted - 2008.08.04 04:50:00 -
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I am not going off about nerfs and patches, I just happen to think with all the so called balancing and equalizing that it will ruin the creativity and freedom this game offers. Things aren't meant to be equal, and balanced, that is what keeps people training, keeps people trying to stay above the rest, keeps people competing, Its a very fun aspect of this game. That could be lost. Part of picking a race used to mean certain bonuses, you get some you loose some. But if everything gets balanced then we only need one race, with all the same ships that do all the same things. Doesn't that seem to be the path that is coming. *over exaggerating people so don't jump off the deep end* I just want people to understand I am looking at a bigger picture not just how a upcoming patch or any others we have seen have or will affect us.
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Robert Rosenberg
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.04 05:35:00 -
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The game should not be balanced because it is more fun to have godmode is basically your argument? Wow...
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Xonkra
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.04 05:52:00 -
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People like you make me sick
GET OFF THE FRIKIN BANDWAGON
--------- Founder of the Hug-a-troll initiative Hug a forum troll because they can probably use it ! |
Galan Amarias
Amarr The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.08.04 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker I am not going off about nerfs and patches, I just happen to think with all the so called balancing and equalizing that it will ruin the creativity and freedom this game offers. Things aren't meant to be equal, and balanced, that is what keeps people training, keeps people trying to stay above the rest, keeps people competing, Its a very fun aspect of this game. That could be lost. Part of picking a race used to mean certain bonuses, you get some you loose some. But if everything gets balanced then we only need one race, with all the same ships that do all the same things. Doesn't that seem to be the path that is coming. *over exaggerating people so don't jump off the deep end* I just want people to understand I am looking at a bigger picture not just how a upcoming patch or any others we have seen have or will affect us.
Balance isn't cloning.
In a game the four races need to be balanced. Otherwise one would always win eh?
Individual characters are not balanced, case in point, we both have 53 losses, but I have 316 kills to your 128.
You work with carrier support, I tend to fly solo or in small groups.
The so called balancing is exactly that, balancing. When one aspect of the game gets out of hand it gets weakened and when something is underpowered it gets a boost.
For this patch, it'll be MWD and Snakes down. AB up.
The bigger picture is that EVE will remain healthy and the FOTM will never be a good idea to sink all your SP and ISK into.
Since you seem to fly bubbles and BC, you should be happy with the changes. Or did your Vaga friends put you up to this?
-Galan
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:11:00 -
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Meh. Eve has changed a lot since I started playing. That's why I'm still here.
4.5 years and still going -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years)
[Brackley, UK]
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Professor Slocombe
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Runner647 If you want FPS PvP go play a FPS game... EVE is not for you
Contract all your stuff to me, while your at it.
I can't believe it took this long to get to "Can I have your stuff"
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