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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.04 08:59:00 -
[31]
Can I have ur stuff please
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.04 09:09:00 -
[32]
Originally by: FlameGlow So, basically OP wrote a wall of text about being shafted for training FOTM?
Stop saying FOTM when it's been around a lot longer...
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Frenetick
Minmatar New World Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.04 09:13:00 -
[33]
If I log in and find that I can't play a navy issue trombone and/or bugle then I'm really going to throw my toys. SCREW THIS, I WANT MY SHINEY BRASS INSTRUMENTS NOW!
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copasetic sideways
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Posted - 2008.08.04 10:00:00 -
[34]
Originally by: McOsker I know many of people will come in here read this and tell me I don't know anything, I am stupid and that I should leave eve.
You don't know anything. You are stupid. You should leave eve.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:01:00 -
[35]
Urgh my eyes ....
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Gealbhan
Caldari Infernal Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:21:00 -
[36]
Sucks to be training for FOTM doesn't it. Go train for a real ship.
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Leviathan9
Gallente Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:31:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Leviathan9 on 04/08/2008 11:30:48
Originally by: McOsker How many times have you logged on only to find out your being screwed again. Have spent months training only to have CCP spit in your face. Most of us who have played for along time love playing the game, and don't spend forever and a day on the forms, cause we would rather be playing. Or at least I would. And with every new change I set back and take it.
Over and over, CCP just doesn't seem to care. I remember when picking a race meant something, when training for months gave you an advantage over people, When you could make it by pretty much doing whatever, whenever you wanted. Now all the races are getting closer to each other, people being nerfed causes them to have to spend more time training new skills, only with the chance that once they can use something it to will be nerfed.
So instead of just setting back and taking it like we always do, lets do something. I bet if 5000+ angry EVE members where to cancel It would make CCP wake up. I am not saying we should, but then again maybe?????
All I know is EVE is starting to turn into a different game then I fell in love with when I started playing. If this nerfing and other "great new things" CCP keeps coming up with continues it will be nothing like they game we all love..
Lets take time to think about this. I know many of people will come in here read this and tell me I don't know anything, I am stupid and that I should leave eve. But lets come together and start getting CCP to see the real problems and stop making stupid changes to a great game.
Or we are doomed to have a huge carebear game where nothing can be an advantage to anyone. Real life isn't like that, and EVE shouldn't be like that. So what are we going to do??????
Ok spaced out for easier reading, anyhow. The bolded part is what i want to quote, CCP have over 100k subs, so if 5k people quit, it wouldn't hurt them much. ----------------------------
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Tharukan Desm'ar
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:45:00 -
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To the op.
This is how most online games work. Balance follows balance. it's a constant cycle. The big difference in eve is that you can see it slowly evolving if you take a moment to step back and look at the bigger scope of things. Very few online games have changed so much since their initial inception. I also cant quite understand why you'd complain about new things being added. it's far better than the game stagnating. You make it sound like you think CCP are doing changes just to get up your nose. Whereas I've not seen a more active developer in the online games I've played. If a constantly evolving game isn't for you then good luck in your future endeavors.
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Red Thunder
Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.04 11:52:00 -
[39]
lol look at everyone smacking over his "wall of text", just makes you look pretty pathetic tbh guys
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LeCaz
The Independant Navy Association
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: LeCaz on 04/08/2008 12:23:11 The Americans spend billions of dollars designing and building the F-117 stealth bomber. Imagine if the prayers of Sad-dam had been answered and God declared 'NERF the infidels' and allowed a ground soldier with a $9.99 missile launcher the ability to take down a billion dollar aircraft with ease?
Investments in time, money and ingenuity should be rewarded.
And no, I don't fly nano hacs.
Edit: Sad-dam is censored? It's just a name!
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Bazman
Originally by: McOsker So what are we going to do??????
We should alert the CSM to whats happening, have them voice our concerns to CCP.
Also we should add trombones.
This, tbh. I mean, srsly.
/thread
Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: EnslaverOfMinmatar
Originally by: McOsker Howmanytimeshaveyouloggedononlytofindoutyourbeingscrewedagain.Havespentmonthst rainingonlytohaveCCPspitinyourface.Mostofuswhohaveplayedforalongtimeloveplayingthegame,anddon't spendforeverandadayontheforms,causewewouldratherbeplaying.OratleastIwould.Andwitheverynewchange Isetbackandtakeit.Overandover,CCPjustdoesn'tseemtocare.Irememberwhenpickingaracemeantsomething, whentrainingformonthsgaveyouanadvantageoverpeople,Whenyoucouldmakeitbyprettymuchdoingwhatever, wheneveryouwanted.Nowalltheracesaregettingclosertoeachother,peoplebeingnerfedcausesthemtohavet ospendmoretimetrainingnewskills,onlywiththechancethatoncetheycanusesomethingittowillbenerfed. Soinsteadofjustsettingbackandtakingitlikewealwaysdo,letsdosomething.Ibetif5000+angryEVEmember swheretocancelItwouldmakeCCPwakeup.Iamnotsayingweshould,butthenagainmaybe?????AllIknowisEVEis startingtoturnintoadifferentgamethenIfellinlovewithwhenIstartedplaying.Ifthisnerfingandother" greatnewthings"CCPkeepscomingupwithcontinuesitwillbenothingliketheygamewealllove..Letstaketim etothinkaboutthis.IknowmanyofpeoplewillcomeinherereadthisandtellmeIdon'tknowanything,Iamstupid andthatIshouldleaveeve.ButletscometogetherandstartgettingCCPtoseetherealproblemsandstopmakingst upidchangestoagreatgame.Orwearedoomedtohaveahugecarebeargamewherenothingcanbeanadvantagetoanyo ne.Reallifeisn'tlikethat,andEVEshouldn'tbelikethat.Sowhatarewegoingtodo??????
fixed the wall of text for you
Damn beat me to it, I was just gonna add that all the ex-wow players calling that a wall of text are wrong.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.04 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: LeCaz Edited by: LeCaz on 04/08/2008 12:23:11 The Americans spend billions of dollars designing and building the F-117 stealth bomber. Imagine if the prayers of Sad-dam had been answered and God declared 'NERF the infidels' and allowed a ground soldier with a $9.99 missile launcher the ability to take down a billion dollar aircraft with ease?
Investments in time, money and ingenuity should be rewarded.
And no, I don't fly nano hacs.
Edit: Sad-dam is censored? It's just a name!
I'm sorry, did you have a point?
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XFranc
Caldari Traders Industrialists and Miners of EVE
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:41:00 -
[44]
Originally by: McOsker How many times have you logged on only to find out your being screwed again. Have spent months training only to have CCP spit in your face. Most of us who have played for along time love playing the game, and don't spend forever and a day on the forms, cause we would rather be playing. Or at least I would. And with every new change I set back and take it. Over and over, CCP just doesn't seem to care. I remember when picking a race meant something, when training for months gave you an advantage over people, When you could make it by pretty much doing whatever, whenever you wanted. Now all the races are getting closer to each other, people being nerfed causes them to have to spend more time training new skills, only with the chance that once they can use something it to will be nerfed. So instead of just setting back and taking it like we always do, lets do something. I bet if 5000+ angry EVE members where to cancel It would make CCP wake up. I am not saying we should, but then again maybe????? All I know is EVE is starting to turn into a different game then I fell in love with when I started playing. If this nerfing and other "great new things" CCP keeps coming up with continues it will be nothing like they game we all love.. Lets take time to think about this. I know many of people will come in here read this and tell me I don't know anything, I am stupid and that I should leave eve. But lets come together and start getting CCP to see the real problems and stop making stupid changes to a great game. Or we are doomed to have a huge carebear game where nothing can be an advantage to anyone. Real life isn't like that, and EVE shouldn't be like that. So what are we going to do??????
Alright, hands up! Who fed the Troll ??
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: XFranc Alright, hands up! Who fed the Troll ??
Sorry, sorry, it's just I really didn't want that ham sandwich... ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation or alliance, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:51:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Originally by: XFranc Alright, hands up! Who fed the Troll ??
Sorry, sorry, it's just I really didn't want that ham sandwich...
And the lasagne was just going to waste otherwise.....he gave me the puppy eyes
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:10:00 -
[47]
Originally by: LeCaz Edited by: LeCaz on 04/08/2008 12:23:11 The Americans spend billions of dollars designing and building the F-117 stealth bomber. Imagine if the prayers of Sad-dam had been answered and God declared 'NERF the infidels' and allowed a ground soldier with a $9.99 missile launcher the ability to take down a billion dollar aircraft with ease?
Investments in time, money and ingenuity should be rewarded.
And no, I don't fly nano hacs.
Edit: Sad-dam is censored? It's just a name!
If you're going to drag RL comparisons in, then I'll just note that having nano and stealth absolutely does not stop the US from blobbing.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Thommy
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:50:00 -
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If not nerfs are bad on itself when they are overdone it is specially bad when they affect certain area's where they where not inteded to cause an effect.
The main reason for this change was to lower the MWD speeds to bring speeds more inline. However the changes will also affect other area's like afterburner increasing the feeling of wasted time for most people.
Battleship on afterburner go even slower then it used to and it consumes more time which doesnt help with the feeling that eve allready is an game where a short ammount of time means you get very little fun things done (excludeing some things that dont require moveing arround, but those might be artificially inflated by lag anyway).
Also just as an reminder for people even if you do not get warnings from moderators directly, responding on any topic with an flamebait / trol response is still an breach of the rules and the EULA. It might take some time for it to happen but you will feel regret if your account gets suspended for (repeative) misbehaviour and you do not even remember for what it might have been because it has been so long ago that you made the offending post.
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Marco Ragnos
Templars of Space
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:51:00 -
[49]
adapt and overcomeeeee
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Umbra Synergy Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:52:00 -
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the only real problem with the nano nerf is I won't make as much money selling them...
Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Benedic
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:48:00 -
[51]
More people will quit (alt accounts) due to GTC changes than idiotic change CCP makes to the game. Unluckily for the devs responsible for the game changes the GTC changes are located in close proximity on the time line and will be hard to distinguish between the two in account closures.
Certainly the masses will point toward the gameplay changes since they are being cried about more loudly.
In the end I doubt you'll see many single account players canceling, other than the normal attrition rate (especially among newer (sub 6 month) players).
A lot of people have been citing the recent lower server numbers as proof of CCP screwing up the game. Surely it is having some effect, but you only need to look at a multiyear graph of connections to see that a 10-15% reduction of daily MSU connections is pretty normal due to the summer lull.
If fall rolls around and we're still sitting at 38k on a weekends (especially considering all the ad dollars CCP has been pumping out lately) then they'll know they've messed up. Of course if we're sitting at 50k the server will probably catch on fire. You'll know they've screwed up then as well.
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:21:00 -
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Article from May of this year, referencing a dev post which described some of the changes they're looking into for AF/nano's which are part of this upcoming patch. Its not like this came out of nowhere, people understood the nerf bat was going to swing at this at some point and for good cause.
http://www.massively.com/2008/05/12/eve-evolved-the-nano-problem/
That's just the nature of the game. Stuff changes. If you're so one dimensional that you're going to have a hissy fit about it then maybe this isn't the right game for you.
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Goldcrow
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:44:00 -
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Add more cowbell...explore the space.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2008.08.04 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: SurrenderMonkey on 04/08/2008 20:02:22
Originally by: McOsker
My main problem is that when someone uses their brain and comes up with a way to fit or use a ship for there advantage someone thinks its not fair and has to complain. Then a nerf comes, and people who spend hours training and a lot of time thinking and testing setups gets screwed just cause someone got butt hurt.
Who the **** are you kidding? You didn't "use your brain" and come up with a way to fit or use a ship. You jumped onboard the cookie-cutter fit of the month. Yeah, ****ing imaginative.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2008.08.04 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: FlameGlow So, basically OP wrote a wall of text about being shafted for training FOTM?
Stop saying FOTM when it's been around a lot longer...
Criticizing the semantics of a figure of speech is incalculably infantile.
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Megadon
Caldari Eve Revolutionary Army
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Posted - 2008.08.05 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker How many times have you logged on only to find out your being screwed again. Have spent months training only to have CCP spit in your face. Most of us who have played for along time love playing the game, and don't spend forever and a day on the forms, cause we would rather be playing. Or at least I would. And with every new change I set back and take it. Over and over, CCP just doesn't seem to care. I remember when picking a race meant something, when training for months gave you an advantage over people, When you could make it by pretty much doing whatever, whenever you wanted. Now all the races are getting closer to each other, people being nerfed causes them to have to spend more time training new skills, only with the chance that once they can use something it to will be nerfed. So instead of just setting back and taking it like we always do, lets do something. I bet if 5000+ angry EVE members where to cancel It would make CCP wake up. I am not saying we should, but then again maybe????? All I know is EVE is starting to turn into a different game then I fell in love with when I started playing. If this nerfing and other "great new things" CCP keeps coming up with continues it will be nothing like they game we all love.. Lets take time to think about this. I know many of people will come in here read this and tell me I don't know anything, I am stupid and that I should leave eve. But lets come together and start getting CCP to see the real problems and stop making stupid changes to a great game. Or we are doomed to have a huge carebear game where nothing can be an advantage to anyone. Real life isn't like that, and EVE shouldn't be like that. So what are we going to do??????
Could you repeat that please?
Boost Amarr
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masternerdguy
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Posted - 2008.08.05 03:01:00 -
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i agree with you completely, ccp shouldnt nerf!
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Bladediver
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Posted - 2008.08.05 03:10:00 -
[58]
Can I have your stuff??
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Veldya
Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.08.05 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: McOsker How many times have you logged on only to find out your being screwed again. Have spent months training only to have CCP spit in your face. Most of us who have played for along time love playing the game, and don't spend forever and a day on the forms, cause we would rather be playing. Or at least I would. And with every new change I set back and take it. Over and over, CCP just doesn't seem to care. I remember when picking a race meant something, when training for months gave you an advantage over people, When you could make it by pretty much doing whatever, whenever you wanted. Now all the races are getting closer to each other, people being nerfed causes them to have to spend more time training new skills, only with the chance that once they can use something it to will be nerfed. So instead of just setting back and taking it like we always do, lets do something. I bet if 5000+ angry EVE members where to cancel It would make CCP wake up. I am not saying we should, but then again maybe????? All I know is EVE is starting to turn into a different game then I fell in love with when I started playing. If this nerfing and other "great new things" CCP keeps coming up with continues it will be nothing like they game we all love.. Lets take time to think about this. I know many of people will come in here read this and tell me I don't know anything, I am stupid and that I should leave eve. But lets come together and start getting CCP to see the real problems and stop making stupid changes to a great game. Or we are doomed to have a huge carebear game where nothing can be an advantage to anyone. Real life isn't like that, and EVE shouldn't be like that. So what are we going to do??????
The 5000 angry nano-whiners who quit will be counterbalanced by the tens of thousands that wont quit because they couldn't be arsed being forced to be nano-*****s to survive.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.05 07:19:00 -
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I love Eve and would never dream of quiting if Eve had boobs it would be even better
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