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Zodiaq
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:27:00 -
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Does CCP enforce policy 'we don't reimburse ship no mather what' ?? We had fleet fight and I lost my ship cause it couldn't warp out for 5minutes, I provided logs, GM didn't show me any proof that I'm wrong but still 'We regret to inform you that we have not been able to verify exactly what happened to you and thus are not able to reimburse you.' So this is like - 'we don't know why You couldn't warp out but still we don't give you ship back because not' or maybe like this 'so you lost ship, big deal, go on play more and don't bother us' ? WTF?! This is annoying... I'll keep this petition open forever, I wonder if there are any intelligent GM's in CCP...
btw. You can't have my stuff, I'm still playing...
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Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tamia Clant on 04/08/2008 14:28:58 Petitioning for reimbursement is like buying lottery tickets and thinking you'll win the first prize.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:33:00 -
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Lag isn't a valid reason for reimbursement according to the official policy, especially not lag created from large fleet battles. CCP's policy is basically "do at your own risk."
Originally by: Zodiaq I'll keep this petition open forever, I wonder if there are any intelligent GM's in CCP...
Yeah, that'll work. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Richard Angevian
The Crusaders.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:35:00 -
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Unless your tag has "Band of Developers" in it, you don't get squat from GM's.
CCP's official stance is that lag doesn't exist, not even in Jita.
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Zodiaq
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:41:00 -
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Lag - ok, I tried reimburse for other ship I lost, it was aligned but still couldn't warpout for 1minute... same response, 'we regret to inform you...' - ok, 1 minute and big battle, so I lost it without fight... sh*t happens... but 5 minutes (checked in logs) is a bit too much to tell it's just lag - for me it's clearly CCP fault and game error... it was big fight, I know, but CCP forces/encourages such fights - pos warfare, changes in BS'es (largers distances but less dmg forces to move more snipers into battle) etc... and then they tell 'do it at your own risk' - so we should don't fight for our places when enemy is approaching in big numbers and give systems without fight, right? Something is wrong in this picture...
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Shadowsword on 04/08/2008 14:43:02
Originally by: Zodiaq Does CCP enforce policy 'we don't reimburse ship no mather what' ?? We had fleet fight and I lost my ship cause it couldn't warp out for 5minutes, I provided logs, GM didn't show me any proof that I'm wrong but still 'We regret to inform you that we have not been able to verify exactly what happened to you and thus are not able to reimburse you.' So this is like - 'we don't know why You couldn't warp out but still we don't give you ship back because not' or maybe like this 'so you lost ship, big deal, go on play more and don't bother us' ? WTF?! This is annoying... I'll keep this petition open forever, I wonder if there are any intelligent GM's in CCP...
btw. You can't have my stuff, I'm still playing...
CCP's policy is that if you get into a large fight where you know you'll lag a lot, but still go, then it's your fault if it happens.
Or do you expect CCP to reimburse the ships lost by both sides every time a big fight happens? What would be the point of said fight, then? ------------------------------------------
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Aria Seniste
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:44:00 -
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You know that little "You are unable to perform that action because you are warp scrambled." message?
Pay attention to it next time.
Halp they used hax so could not to be warping out =(. |
Zodiaq
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:48:00 -
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Edited by: Zodiaq on 04/08/2008 14:50:05 I checked logs very carefully - there was no such message and there was not dictors around (at least no that I know of). In logs I see message that other ppl were scrambled, my messages about warping out, and messages about dmg (nothing more - no 'ship is stoping', no 'you can't do that because you are warp scrambled' or similar)... that's why I petition this - if I were scrambled I wouldn't try to reimburse but GMs can't provide such proof, so...
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:52:00 -
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Maybe you have been bumped? If it really was the server aching under the load of the battle, there would have been more people with the same problem.... and tbh, whenever I lost a ship and it was due to server trouble, I got it back. Maybe I'm just lucky.
/me knocks on wood.
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Zodiaq
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:56:00 -
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Not bumped either - as I saw my ship receiving dmg there were no ships near, at least not so close to bump me - but hey, maybe that was just desync (which doesn't exist in eve - at least CCP say so) ?
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Laydee
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Posted - 2008.08.04 14:58:00 -
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o/t, but please remember that pressing return every-so-often, lets us know when it's OK to breathe!
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zodiaq Not bumped either - as I saw my ship receiving dmg there were no ships near, at least not so close to bump me - but hey, maybe that was just desync (which doesn't exist in eve - at least CCP say so) ?
If it shows you taking damage from ships not on the same grid, it was most likely desync. CCP knows it exists obviously, but they can't reimburse it because they can't verify it with server logs, which is exactly why they haven't been able to fix it so far. ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
P'uck
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:01:00 -
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It's tranquility going all skynet on us, I tell ye.
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Zodiaq
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:06:00 -
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Tarmic: You missundestood me, I said that when I was receiving dmg and trying to warp out there were no friendly ship near enough that could bump me - ships that shoot me were in same grid...
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Furb Killer
Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:34:00 -
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Only thing GMs can use are server side logs. If they dont show a bug, they wont and shouldnt reimburse.
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Sovereign533
Caldari PPN United Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:35:00 -
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well, their old policy was "you'll get your ship back no matter what" thank god they changed that. it's ****ing annoying to finally be able to kill that capital, then he gets it back the next day because there was 'lag'.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zodiaq Edited by: Zodiaq on 04/08/2008 15:06:45 Tarminic: You missundestood me, I said that when I was receiving dmg and trying to warp out there were no friendly ship near enough that could bump me - ships that shoot me were in same grid...
In that case it was most likely just extreme lag, which happens. How big was the fight you were in? ---------------- Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.83 (Updated 7/3) |
Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:38:00 -
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Yeh their policy changed completely I remembered getting ships back but now you pretty much won't. But yeh it's the players fault they abused the old system. I remember people bragging about it.
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Zodiaq
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.04 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Zodiaq on 04/08/2008 16:00:37
Originally by: Tarminic
In that case it was most likely just extreme lag, which happens. How big was the fight you were in?
Heh, something like 200vs200 or smth like that ;] Extreme lag is not being able to warp out with aligned ship for 1minute - I can live with that... extreme lag is not being able to lock target for 2 minutes, activate modules for another 2 minutes, but ffs 5 minutes to warp out?! For me this case is game error not just lag and that's why I petition it...
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Meteor Crash
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.04 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zodiaq Edited by: Zodiaq on 04/08/2008 16:00:37
Originally by: Tarminic
In that case it was most likely just extreme lag, which happens. How big was the fight you were in?
Heh, something like 200vs200 or smth like that ;] Extreme lag is not being able to warp out with aligned ship for 1minute - I can live with that... extreme lag is not being able to lock target for 2 minutes, activate modules for another 2 minutes, but ffs 5 minutes to warp out?! For me this case is game error not just lag and that's why I petition it...
I'm sorry for you man but... yea :(
I had 8 minutes lag once and managed to warp out somehow. It was almost like a miracle to me.
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.08.04 17:35:00 -
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if you die from lag, you die in real life.
petition losses only if your ship dies from an actual bug in the code. like an asteroid shooting you. that sort of thing.
long story short: you almost never get ships back. - -
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Kiviar
Caldari Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:38:00 -
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Edited by: Kiviar on 04/08/2008 18:38:03
Originally by: Zodiaq I'll keep this petition open forever, I wonder if there are any intelligent GM's in CCP...
It's idiocy like this that cause the petition system to be constantly bogged down and ineffective. ---
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Furb Killer
Gallente The first genesis Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.08.04 18:46:00 -
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Exactly, and people stay wondering why petitions take long to answer. 80% of the reimbursement petitions i hear about will not and should not be reimbursed.
Sucks for you that you lost your ship, but what else did you expect from a 200 vs 200 fleetfight, and it would basicly mean that everytime a fleetfight happens all ships will be reimbursed.
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.04 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zodiaq I'll keep this petition open forever, I wonder if there are any intelligent GM's in CCP...
Originally by: Kiviar It's idiocy like this that cause the petition system to be constantly bogged down and ineffective.
Uh, no. Zodiaq's proposed behavior might make the system slow, but if (and note I said "if") the system is ineffective then that is caused by something else. Like incompetence. Or indifference.
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John Blackthorn
Foundation Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.08.04 20:34:00 -
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Unless CCP has a verifiable bug they won't reimburse any ship loss's.
I've had two looses in which I felt both should be reimbursed and I had screen shots as well but were not.
Once was there was a fight on the far gate, and I jumped in system drove back to the gate and then told the ship to warp. On my screen it showed my ship stuck on the gate but taking fire from ships that were like 100au away.
The second was when I was in a frighter and I had my scout siting at the station cloaked. Told the frightor to dock. While in warp a hostile gang showed up on the station and bubbled it. The frightor came out of warp I hit dock. My screen shows I docked but the ship is still taking damage. Out side the station my alt shows the ship stil in space being shot and killed.
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Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari Wyverns of Dionysus Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.04 20:56:00 -
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If you requested a ship back on your main (assumption btw) and your main is anti-bob then you wont see squat. Bob however get pretty much anything replaced. Also free t2 bpos.
Originally by: Halkin bob is dead, goons are great, cheese is cheesy, there we go no need for any more threads
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.04 21:58:00 -
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Don't remind us of that dude, man (I don't even want to say his name)
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Blood Daemon
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.05 14:33:00 -
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.05 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lochmar Fiendhiem If you requested a ship back on your main (assumption btw) and your main is anti-bob then you wont see squat. Bob however get pretty much anything replaced.
Yeah, sometimes we even petiton the enemy ships we killed and get then spawned in our hangars as trophies. Once I even managed to get a cheese toastie spawned because I had run out of babies to eat.
All true.
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Rakivic
Galactic Express Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2008.08.05 14:54:00 -
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Quote: Yeah, sometimes we even petiton the enemy ships we killed and get then spawned in our hangars as trophies. Once I even managed to get a cheese toastie spawned because I had run out of babies to eat.
All true.
Over exaeratied but true CCP is all about the mega alliances everyone else can just f**k of as far as CCP is concerned....you have got to just fend for you self shut up and hide in a dark corner...Because CCP nor anyone else could care less about your susatition. ----------------------------------------------- [Image Removed] CCP did not like my signature so I had to replace it with this one |
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