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Kimochi Rendar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.06 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Kimochi Rendar on 06/08/2008 08:27:12
Edited by: Kimochi Rendar on 06/08/2008 08:25:50
 Originally by: Jennifer Starfall
It's a shame that some of my former corpmates insist on turning an act of charity into an opportunity for bitterness and spite. I would expect such from your now CEO, but not from you.
Kimochi appears in a live feed window. She looks angry.
Jen I'm sorry if my comments appear to be barbed, but having our entire corp uprooted and then torn in half because our ex-CEO couldn't keep her damn pants on, then being set to red and told that the people who I considered to be friends - family even - would happily hunt me down and kill me if ordered to by their FC will do that to a person!
You show me someone who wouldn't be personally insulted by that and i'll show you someone with a heart of pure stone. So don't try to pretend you have the moral high-ground here, because i'm really not that stupid.
She sits back in her chair and sighs, taking a moment to compose herself.
I don't mean to turn this thread into a slagging match so i'll just leave it at that.
As for the blind boys, children or not they should have some sense of self preservation if they hope to survive. Frankly if they thought that pouring industrial-grade dye into their eyes would somehow make them 'cool', then they deserve to have their eyesight taken away.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.06 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
Jen I'm sorry if my comments appear to be barbed, but having our entire corp uprooted and then torn in half because our ex-CEO couldn't keep her damn pants on
I can assure you that the descision runs a lot deeper than that.
Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
then being set to red and told that the people who I considered to be friends - family even - would happily hunt me down and kill me if ordered to by their FC will do that to a person!
The only reason you were set to read was because of your new CEO's inability to keep her persistantly flapping trap shut.
Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
As for the blind boys, children or not they should have some sense of self preservation if they hope to survive. Frankly if they thought that pouring industrial-grade dye into their eyes would somehow make them 'cool', then they deserve to have their eyesight taken away.
Obviously if you think this, you're a lot more blind than these two kids, and Shakor himself.
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.06 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Karanth on 06/08/2008 10:28:53
Yet, I'm sure if you saw a pilot who should know better loaded with expensive goods in a cheap, undefended ship, you wouldn't think twice of attacking them, and taking their cargo, all the while thinking on how stupid they were.
You = Industrial dye
Them = Teens
Undefended ship = Eyes
EDIT: My point is, how is this any different? If they couldn't understand that pouring INDUSTRIAL STRENGTH DYE into their eyes is a bad idea, then they deserve what they get.
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Vaden Khale
Amarr
the united
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Devilish Ledoux
Why not send every idiot that makes the news through a capsuleer program? Then space would be littered with mouth-breathing simpletons flying fantastically expensive spacecraft and no idea what they're doing.
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Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2008.08.06 13:11:00 -
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I can not make out any reason to collect money for these kids.
They wanted to be like Shakor - now they are.
Blind and clueless.
Hahaha... erm.. excuse me...
but I do find this episode rather amusing.
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2008.08.07 01:12:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
As for the blind boys, children or not they should have some sense of self preservation if they hope to survive. Frankly if they thought that pouring industrial-grade dye into their eyes would somehow make them 'cool', then they deserve to have their eyesight taken away.
Who'd have thought it, I agree with this.
If I would have pulled a stunt like that when I was growing up, my parents would have made me pay for the procedure myself (as any good Caldari parent would). Teach me a lesson in doing stupid things. If I was unable to pay for it myself... I'd better learn how to make ISK quickly and while blind.
I remember once, I was tinkering with our neighbor's atmospheric transport and accidentally caused a backup chemical thruster to burn the lower portion of my right leg. Flash fried to the bone, from 4 inches below the knee to the tips of my toes was gone. That cost me half of my savings I had set back for Pilot training... cost me an extra 2 years of my life before I could make the money back and enter Pilot school.
Granted, now that I've jumped clones a few times, and I'm pretty sure my original body is floating somewhere in the Citadel region, I don't even have the scars to remind me. These two chose to be idiots, they chose to blind themselves, and they don't deserve sympathy.
If someone pays their way into Pilot training, I wish a mindlock on the both of them.
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Kimochi Rendar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.07 09:36:00 -
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Originally by: Inara Subaka
I remember once, I was tinkering with our neighbor's atmospheric transport and accidentally caused a backup chemical thruster to burn the lower portion of my right leg. Flash fried to the bone, from 4 inches below the knee to the tips of my toes was gone. That cost me half of my savings I had set back for Pilot training... cost me an extra 2 years of my life before I could make the money back and enter Pilot school.
The important thing is to turn the experience into a lesson and learn from it; and the only real way to learn from something like that is to suffer the consequences of your own actions.
I say let the kids pay for their own surgery. Giving them handouts is disturbingly akin to rewarding them for their stupidity, which is absolutely not the thing to do in this situation. We shouldn't even be getting involved in this at all, but at the absolute VERY most loan them the money and let them pay it back over a number of years. Even then they'd be getting off easy in my opinion.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Vorace.
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.08.07 09:45:00 -
[38]
Lot of drama from pilots, who's own money aren't even involved in this.
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Natalcya Katla
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:27:00 -
[39]
Everybody deserves a second chance.
In a benevolent society, when somebody steps wrong and falls down like these young people have done, society will step in and help them back on their feet - and, even more importantly, support them so that they will never step wrong again.
My hopes go out to the two wounded youngsters for a swift and complete recovery.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Insurgents
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
VETO CORP ANNOUNCEMENT
The gift of sight is something that trillions of us take for granted every day of our lives as we go about our business, living our lives.
This fact of life becomes more apparent and hits home harder when we hear the plight of two youngsters in Rens whom have unintentionally blinded themselves in a bid to take on the appearence of their idol, Maleatu Shakor. After returning to the center of the cluster after some time away in Venal and hearing of their plight, I must say the news brought with it a sharp sting of sadness, albeit not without a sense of irony.
The irony being that in a bid to honor Maleatu Shakor, a beacon of freedom in these new times for the Republic, these two youngsters have unintentionally removed some of their own freedom to live to the fullest, by accidentally destroying one of their most important senses.
It is my fond hope that both of these individuals will soon once again be able to watch their new Republic prosper with their own eyes, and watch their idol Maleatu Shakor address his people.
As such, this is a personal request from Veto Corp to the clan of these two Matari citizens to contact me either here, or in private, to arrange full transfer of the funds for corrective therapy for these two teens.
I await your contact with great hope.
Regards,
Ethan Xavier Verone
Chief Executive & Executor
Veto Corp
This money you are willing to donate to this cause? Is this the same money that you remove from your murdered victims dead hands? Do us a favour Verone and quit with the "I'm a good person" act and give your blood money to one of your peons instead.
While many are quick to forget, I for one remember well the impact your organisations endeavours have had on the minmatar of all tribes, your piratical interference in republic and 0.0 minmatar territories only made the fight against slavery more of a struggle.
To the relevent clans of this unfortunate event, please do not accept any money from Verone or any of his organisation, I am sure the other arranged fund raisers will be more than adequate for the teenagers corrective surgery.
*Nebulous out*
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Natalcya Katla
Everybody deserves a second chance.
In a benevolent society, when somebody steps wrong and falls down like these young people have done, society will step in and help them back on their feet - and, even more importantly, support them so that they will never step wrong again.
My hopes go out to the two wounded youngsters for a swift and complete recovery.
Second chances of course, but they should earn them. To be handed something on a silver plater like they are apparently going to get, will only teach them to expect something for nothing in the future.
To spite everyone, I hope that once they have been healed they cry out against you for ruining their "symbolic support of a hero" and repeat their actions resulting in the same blindness.
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Sallera Zephyr
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.07 18:00:00 -
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Why, precisely, is a pirate's money any worse than yours, Nebulous? As Kauliford said, charity is charity; the end result is the same, merits of the cause notwithstanding. And it's good PR, besides.
Those we hunt as pirates know the risks they take when they enter our territory. Just because we profit off their naivetT doesn't mean that the money we make is going to poison your moral code when you spend it.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:25:00 -
[43]
Sigma Eldar Nebulous,
Once again, you remind me of the naivete of the Thukker and their simple mindset that led me to find my own family among the free pirates and outlaws of the cluster.
Originally by: Nebulous
This money you are willing to donate to this cause? Is this the same money that you remove from your murdered victims dead hands? Do us a favour Verone and quit with the "I'm a good person" act and give your blood money to one of your peons instead.
Ethan, unlike the majority of us, is actually the good guy. The vast majority of his ISK is actually a result of his earlier business ventures - most more legitimate than the entire Caldari State. While the rest of us get our "blood money" from piracy and market trading, Ethan never takes from his corp as he has no need.
Originally by: Nebulous
While many are quick to forget, I for one remember well the impact your organisations endeavours have had on the minmatar of all tribes, your piratical interference in republic and 0.0 minmatar territories only made the fight against slavery more of a struggle.
The effect is equal to all involved. In fact, Ethan is known to hate the Amarr Empire even more than any other government in the whole of New Eden. Piracy in low-sec Minmatar systems affects all who fly there, including the slavers who attempt to infiltrate the weaker security the Republic has there.
Originally by: Nebulous
To the relevent clans of this unfortunate event, please do not accept any money from Verone or any of his organisation, I am sure the other arranged fund raisers will be more than adequate for the teenagers corrective surgery.
I often tease Ethan about his Gallente "bleeding heart" problem. But while I might be the kind of person you wish to tar Ethan's image with, I still have some small amount of support for the Republic and her children. I endorse his proposal, but only because I know he has a moral high-ground I severely lack.
Besides, Eldar, since when have the Thukker ever given two hoots about the Republic? I'll tell you when:- When the Covenant and the Thukker worked together to undermine the Amarr Empire.
It's been a long time since our 'Tribe' has ever been of a moral position to judge even outlaws.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.07 21:57:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Nebulous
This money you are willing to donate to this cause? Is this the same money that you remove from your murdered victims dead hands? Do us a favour Verone and quit with the "I'm a good person" act and give your blood money to one of your peons instead.
While many are quick to forget, I for one remember well the impact your organisations endeavours have had on the minmatar of all tribes, your piratical interference in republic and 0.0 minmatar territories only made the fight against slavery more of a struggle.
To the relevent clans of this unfortunate event, please do not accept any money from Verone or any of his organisation, I am sure the other arranged fund raisers will be more than adequate for the teenagers corrective surgery.
*Nebulous out*
You would do well to take a leaf out of Meb's book, things often aren't as they seem.
Too often people jump in without exploring the facts that lie behind the visage.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Insurgents
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:39:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Verone
You would do well to take a leaf out of Meb's book, things often aren't as they seem.
Too often people jump in without exploring the facts that lie behind the visage.
Yes Meb has much to say but her words are as empty as her soul it seems, she talks about the Thukker tribe as though everyone in our tribe is of same ilk and that we are all of piratical intent, the truth is that only the minority of us are piratical(which is debateable as most of it comes under us protecting our home in the GW), most of us are nomadic and keep ourselves to ourselves only uniting with the other tribes when the need arises.
Verone! as of late you have been making many bold claims of supporting the minmatar and being against slavery, I have been a pod pilot for a long time and have spent much time fighting against slavery and siding with minmatar freedom fighters, you and your organisation have been reported many times in the past for attacking anti slaver organisations be it Electus matari, Namtz'aar k'in, Fate weavers or Ushra'khan, the last mentioned alliance Ushra'khan you engaged in a full scale attack on them in providence which only added to massive amounts more of our people being enslaved while rescources were stretched to the limit by you and your motley crew. Maybe then you can enlighten me on any facts I may have failed to explore behind this so called visage?
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.08 05:53:00 -
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Oh dear, twice in one topic I'm gonna have to correct you,
Originally by: Nebulous
Yes Meb has much to say but her words are as empty as her soul it seems, she talks about the Thukker tribe as though everyone in our tribe is of same ilk and that we are all of piratical intent, the truth is that only the minority of us are piratical(which is debateable as most of it comes under us protecting our home in the GW), most of us are nomadic and keep ourselves to ourselves only uniting with the other tribes when the need arises.
I never once portrayed the Thukker Tribe (in all it's heterogenous glory), as a piratical organisation. In fact, compared to most other groups, the Tribe is the least definable. With at least two major corporations being almost completely different in operation, it's hard to pinpoint the Tribe as anything - and pirates would probably be everyone's last bet.
Don't get me wrong. Apart from my sister and my mother (where ever she is, if she's still alive), I've no desire to ever associate myself with the Thukker again, except to find out if they still kill more Amarr than Republic. Other than that, you can tar me with the same brush as the Covenant and her allies, as I've always portrayed myself as. I'm no saint. Hell, I probably deserve the name witch (although Elsebeth will have my head should it be brought up again). But my words are far from empty, Eldar. I've seen the best and worst in many and I doubt I'm the worst in anyones books. I sure as hell don't speak empty words.
Originally by: Nebulous
Verone! as of late you have been making many bold claims of supporting the minmatar and being against slavery, I have been a pod pilot for a long time and have spent much time fighting against slavery and siding with minmatar freedom fighters, you and your organisation have been reported many times in the past for attacking anti slaver organisations be it Electus matari, Namtz'aar k'in, Fate weavers or Ushra'khan, the last mentioned alliance Ushra'khan you engaged in a full scale attack on them in providence which only added to massive amounts more of our people being enslaved while rescources were stretched to the limit by you and your motley crew. Maybe then you can enlighten me on any facts I may have failed to explore behind this so called visage?
Ushra'Kahn are far from saintly. Working against the Republic, working with Blood Raiders, and siding with terrorists are hardly exemplars of stand-up behaviour. While Veto were only mercenaries in a multi-faceted engagement, I'm sure that our straight-forward and legal approach was easily depictable on moral grounds, compared with U'Ks dealings in the past.
Now, I'd rather not go on about this, but it appears, as with many nay-sayers in this thread, that you could do with a little education from outside sources on Ethan's business behaviour and moral standings. When an Angel can fall in love with an outlaw, isn't it time you questioned your opinions on morality?
Perhaps GW has been a little outta the scene lately, but I don't think I'm alone in thinking that you need to catch up a little on current and past figures in modern pod-pilot politics.
All respects due, Eldar.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.08 05:59:00 -
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Please excuse my ramblings. Ethan Verone doesn't need mine or anyones justification. While his business dealings haven't been always as transparant, his Gallente bleeding heart nearly always has.
I've said my piece. I recommend the lot of you find out more about the man before jumping down his throat. I don't think I've found a more disgusting paragon of good in the whole cluster. None of us are hero's, but some of us at least aim for humanity. While I find myself far from such good, I'm content to know that at least one of our corporation clings to such lofty ideals.
My apologies boss for the derail.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:26:00 -
[48]
It saddens me to see someone like you apologising for speaking her mind, dearest Meb.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Insurgents
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Posted - 2008.08.08 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Please excuse my ramblings. Ethan Verone doesn't need mine or anyones justification. While his business dealings haven't been always as transparant, his Gallente bleeding heart nearly always has.
I've said my piece. I recommend the lot of you find out more about the man before jumping down his throat. I don't think I've found a more disgusting paragon of good in the whole cluster. None of us are hero's, but some of us at least aim for humanity. While I find myself far from such good, I'm content to know that at least one of our corporation clings to such lofty ideals.
My apologies boss for the derail.
Why do you apolagise Meb? There is no need to, please do not confuse a clash of opinions with a derailment of a topic, when someone is against the ropes it's only natural that they try to dismiss anyones counter opinions with a claim of derailment or lack of understanding, I always voice my opinion to things close to my heart and only apolagise if I feel I have done or said something wrong, in this case I have not.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.08 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nebulous
Originally by: Verone
You would do well to take a leaf out of Meb's book, things often aren't as they seem.
Too often people jump in without exploring the facts that lie behind the visage.
Yes Meb has much to say but her words are as empty as her soul it seems, she talks about the Thukker tribe as though everyone in our tribe is of same ilk and that we are all of piratical intent, the truth is that only the minority of us are piratical(which is debateable as most of it comes under us protecting our home in the GW), most of us are nomadic and keep ourselves to ourselves only uniting with the other tribes when the need arises.
Verone! as of late you have been making many bold claims of supporting the minmatar and being against slavery, I have been a pod pilot for a long time and have spent much time fighting against slavery and siding with minmatar freedom fighters, you and your organisation have been reported many times in the past for attacking anti slaver organisations be it Electus matari, Namtz'aar k'in, Fate weavers or Ushra'khan, the last mentioned alliance Ushra'khan you engaged in a full scale attack on them in providence which only added to massive amounts more of our people being enslaved while rescources were stretched to the limit by you and your motley crew. Maybe then you can enlighten me on any facts I may have failed to explore behind this so called visage?
Confirmation that you're as physically blind as Shakor himself.
I have nothing more to say to someone who's physically unwilling to explore the facts before he soliders off on the path of a ranting bigot.
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Nebulous
Minmatar
Thukker Insurgents
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Posted - 2008.08.08 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Confirmation that you're as physically blind as Shakor himself.
I have nothing more to say to someone who's physically unwilling to explore the facts before he soliders off on the path of a ranting bigot.
So be it, I have explored and higlighted a number of facts about you and your organisation but you offer no counter facts of your own.
As for the bigot remark? Well if you think insulting me aids your cause then you are free to think that.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar
The Paratwa
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.08 13:52:00 -
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I hope the relevant parties are not so blind as to miss out on this PR stunt from a known pirate organisation. This is not charity, this is blood money.
Just imagine if this stunt actually worked and Mr Verone became an idol to some of the weaker minded young Matari among us. Many could turn to crime and murder in an effort to mirror their idol.
A sad day that would be.
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Verona
Minmatar
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.08 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Verona on 08/08/2008 18:29:04
Originally by: Aodha Khan
He can only insult as he has no base to stand on, he is no better than a maggot from the Empire itself.
After seeing the things I have in such a short life, and being born into bondage on Oris to a holder who knew nothing of reason or goodwill, I can safely say that I do not take exception to many things Mr Khan, but to your comparison of Ethan Verone to an Amarrian of all things I do, you vile swine.
It makes my blood boil to even think a fellow Matari would stoop so low as to insult someone who attempts to help our people. You look for evidence that this is not a PR stunt? I'm living proof that yourself and Nebulous deserve the title of bigots!
Why don't you ask me of the thousand along with my self that were bought into freedom from the hold of a Bestower class three years ago?
Why don't you ask me of the millions that pour out of our wallet on a monthly basis to support and assist those our corporation frees?
Why don't you ask Electus Matari of the thousands liberated from the formerly named TES Divine Fury that were cared for and treated for injury by Veto Corp before being released to them?
Why don't you ask Ethan himself about the billions invested in the Sisters Of Eve when the descovery was made of the mess of childcare in the State?
You really have no idea Khan. There are countless more instances of assising slaves to freedom, and former slaves in starting fresh that I can roll out, but frankly I feel as if I'm wasting my time with you. I chose this DED callsign to honor the man who freed me from The Empire, and continues to free thousands of Matari whenever the opportunity arises, while the Republic has stood by for years, wrestling with politics and making a joke of itself in Yulai while Matari people suffered at the hands of the Empire.
I work for nothing but the successful training of combat fresh capsuleers into people whom can defend themselves, and the freedom of as many Matari as I can. It makes me ashamed to share the same blood as you when I hear such pathetic words spew from your mouth.
You should be ashamed of yourself, and the insult you just paid to your heritage by taking a shot at someone who has aimed to help.
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