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Victoria Ehr
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.05 06:00:00 -
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The Caldari Frigate Fina approached a Gallente compound only to be surprised by an enemy Assault Frigate. Having too many enemy ships to handle, Fina was forced to warp out of the situation to a safe spot. The ships Captain relayed the intel to Caldari HQ in Nourvukaiken.
Victoria Ehr recieved the intel personally and sent a message back to the frigate. "Inform the enemy vessel he is on the wrong side of this war."
So the Captain of Fina sent the message via a local transmission to the enemy Ishkur piloted by Cal Chet. The Gallente response was unexpected and the Fina relayed messages between Cal Chet and Victoria Ehr.
Victoria Ehr > You are on the wrong side of this war.
Cal Chet > Care to explain why?
Victoria Ehr > Are you married Cal Chet?
Cal Chet > yep
Victoria Ehr > If your spouse could not, for reasons of her own, stand to live with you, would you force her to stay in the marriage?
Cal Chet > you having a bad day, or is this a parable?
Victoria Ehr > would you force her?
Cal Chet > No.
Victoria Ehr > if you have a child, would you keep that child, never letting her see the child out of spite?
Cal Chet > No. I hope this is hypothetical.
Victoria Ehr > Cal Chet, the Caldari nation divorced the Federation for their own reasons.
Victoria Ehr > but the federation tried to force us to stay married
Victoria Ehr > the federation stole our home planet, our baby, out of spite
Victoria Ehr > can you blame us, the caldari nation, for wanting that baby back and to stay away from such a wicked husband?
Cal Chet > If you're talking about a marriage, then of course not. But, this isn't really about marriage, is it.
Victoria Ehr > Now i have explained why you are on the wrong side of this war
Cal Chet > Because my Federation isn't in a marriage, it is in a war.
Victoria Ehr > a brutal war the Gallente started, and one the Caldari will finish.
Cal Chet > I'm in this by choice.
Victoria Ehr > i am glad you have a choice, the federation was not so kind to the caldari
The Caldari took the initiative of true freedom to go it on their own. But because this was not convenient for the Gallente, they declared war and killed billions to stop any other people from trying to escape the glass prison of the Federation.
Now, can you blame the Caldari for despising the evil that is the federation and their fake virtue of freedom? And when the Federation allows its own Mothership to destroy a Caldari Station, those feelings of mutual distrust can no longer be put aside.
It is my only hope this time the Caldari finish what was started when we chose to break from the Federation. Take back our home Caldari Prime, and break the Gallente backbone so that it never tries to oppress or murder another nation of people again.
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
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Posted - 2008.08.05 06:25:00 -
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Firstly, your analogy is flawed. What is closer to the truth is that there was a marriage, and the Caldari went and picked up some party boys and drugs, and had an orgy in the backyard after saying they wouldn't.
Then there was a messy divorce.
After that, it was fairly quiet, until you started having financial troubles, and came for alimony, at which point one of our buddies ran your dog over with a Nyx, and you took us to court for it.
I mean, make the story interesting. If I could get a Nyx up there, I'd plow it into the closest station just to give you something to REALLY whine about.
The fact is, you came in, betrayed us, and got slapped around some. Question: What do you tell an idiot with one black eye? Answer: Nothing you didn't tell them once before. I just hope we don't run out of wars in which we demolish you before you run out of eyes.
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Tishlin Veredici
Aurelius Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.05 06:44:00 -
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Dear Caldari State,
<vitriol, posturing and fedo-shit>
Yours,
Me
P.S. You all smell bad so I sent you guys a Nyx full of cleaning products. Do you know where it went?
Note to the inevitable debators and partisans: The above is satire of a base sort. Please don't try to extract a greater political message, because there isn't one beyond a bored Intaki sitting in the Jita jump-queue.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.05 11:45:00 -
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Both analogies are flawed.
The relationship between the Gallente and its 'partners' in the Federation has never been like a marriage of individuals or even a marriage of peoples. The Gallente have always had a larger representation in the Federation Senate; it took a coalition of minorities in the Federation to get Fortain into power. When the Caldari helped to "found" the Federation it quickly became apparent that the Gallente would you use their sheer numbers as a voting bloc to enforce their own values on the other cultures that make up the Federation. The Gallente continue to do so to this day - it is amazing that the Intaki, Mannar, or any other 'protected and guided' population within the Federation has retained its own cultural identity.
No, it never was and never has been a marriage of individuals or even equals.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:19:00 -
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Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 05/08/2008 16:26:34
Actually, it was more like Caldari Prime was their holoreels that they left in our house. Then, when they decided that they wanted them back, instead of negotiating with us peacefully for their return, they drove a truck full of explosives and guns right up to our door and threatened to shoot our balls off and blow our house up if we didn't give them back the holoreels immedietely. Not only that, but some of our holoreels got mixed in with theirs and they wanted them too, and kept threatening to blow us up until we just hurriedly dumped that whole wadge of holoreels into their outstretched arms.
Now, even though we've given them the holoreels they're still stealing the apples off the tree in our backyard.
They weren't even good holoreels! The holoreels you got after you left us (New Caldari) were much better!
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Dance Commander
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Inara Subaka
Caldari
the united
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Posted - 2008.08.05 16:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Actually, it was more like Caldari Prime was their holoreels that they left in our house. Then, when they decided that they wanted them back, instead of negotiating with us peacefully for their return, they drove a truck full of explosives and guns right up to our door and threatened to shoot our ********* off and blow our house up if we didn't give them back the holoreels immedietely. Not only that, but some of our holoreels got mixed in with theirs and they wanted them too, and kept threatening to blow us up until we just hurriedly dumped that whole wadge of holoreels into their outstretched arms.
Sounds to me like good negotiation practices. *shrugs* Not their fault the Gallente are too soft for strong business tactics.
I wish you both well in this war. War is good for business right now, keep up the good work, both of you.
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Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem
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Posted - 2008.08.05 17:28:00 -
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You know, last I checked, the Caldari State started this whole mess by taking back Caldari Prime...
Following the popular analogy, its more like a vengeful ex-wife coming back and tossing a brick through one of the windows in your home, then claiming that her memory of you drove her to do it.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.08.05 17:38:00 -
[8]
Great. The complex sociopolitical landscape of New Eden reduced to a messy divorce.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.08.05 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Esna Pitoojee
You know, last I checked, the Caldari State started this whole mess by taking back Caldari Prime...
Following the popular analogy, its more like a vengeful ex-wife coming back and tossing a brick through one of the windows in your home, then claiming that her memory of you drove her to do it.
Quite right, to be honest. On a slightly tangiental note, I find it rather ironic that a large number of Caldari and not a small number of Amarrians are condemning the actions of the Elder Fleet in attacking Amarrian worlds as illegal and against the regulations of CONCORD while at the same time singing the praises of Heth and the fleet that attacked Luminaire. Heth's barbaric attack on Gallente sovreign space was no less illegal than the attack made by the Elder Fleet, and his occupation of Caldari Prime no less brutal.
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Dance Commander
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.05 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Quite right, to be honest. On a slightly tangiental note, I find it rather ironic that a large number of Caldari and not a small number of Amarrians are condemning the actions of the Elder Fleet in attacking Amarrian worlds as illegal and against the regulations of CONCORD while at the same time singing the praises of Heth and the fleet that attacked Luminaire. Heth's barbaric attack on Gallente sovreign space was no less illegal than the attack made by the Elder Fleet, and his occupation of Caldari Prime no less brutal.
Some of your comrades incredibly dislike the comparision, mainly because when I do bring it up it is a response to the idea that the liberation of Caldari Prime is a crime. If one is a crime so is the other. I will agree to that, but only if when you refer to the liberation of Caldari Prime as criminal, please remember your Minmatar allies 1) precipitated the event that allowed for the liberation to occur and 2) the Minmatar invasion of Amarr sovereign space is just as criminal if not more so. This of course assumes you recognize CONCORD's authority to determine legality.
I have not been a fan of CONCORD for a while, some of its policies prior to the recent change in political environment reeked of Gallente* imperialism.
Your holoreels analogy, while it could be argued is 'accurate', misses the value that the world my ancestors survived and eventually thrived on has to Caldari cultural memory. Some of the names of the corporations that make up the State come from geographical features of that poor world. My ancestors rose through adversity to become starfaring, it may not have been a paradise world or even a 'good' world - but it was our world. Even the Federation and its supporters refer to it as Caldari Prime - not Luminaire VII. The last war stalemated in an uneasy truce with the fate of Caldari Prime undetermined, it was occupied for over a hundred years. As it was a hundred years ago, I doubt the Federation would have returned Caldari Prime willingly.
*Only Federal imperialism in so far as the majority of the Federation is Gallente.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.08.05 19:16:00 -
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My anger is not so much at the Caldari State reclaiming Caldari Prime as the manner in which they did it and the fact that, even now that you have Caldari Prime, it doesn't seem to be enough - your militia is making daily raids into sovreign Federation territory with the intent of claiming it for yourselves, and it's fairly obvious what the intent is - first Intaki and Placid, then Verge Vendor, then Essence, then Luminaire. It doesn't matter if you aren't intending to conquer the whole of Gallente space, because it's fairly certain that there are blind, backwards idiots (like, say Thorradin) who are.
My analogy, for instance, that even though you've got your holoreels back, you're still stealing the apples from my back garden - it's not going to end there. Well first it's going to be my apples, but if I don't do something, you're going to eventually take all the apples. Then you're goin to come for the plum trees that I make my wine from, then the grass on the lawn, then the car in my drive, and then finally you're going to try and take my house as well.
I'm even more upset about this than ethnic Gallenteans are because Intaki Prime sits firmly in the redzone, and is at threat from Caldari occupation. Given that Caldari propaganda, particularly for the State Protectorate, is talking about duty and conquest, you'll understand why we Federals are so literally up in arms about this.
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Dance Commander
Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting. |
Gottii
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.05 19:33:00 -
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Im confused. The Caldari are the abused wife, and the Federation the abusive ex-husband? So, what is the Amarrian Empire, the creepy uncle in the attic no one wants to talk about?
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.08.05 19:43:00 -
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I long ago stopped underestimating the human capacity for taking a good cause too far.
"An Eye for an Eye" may be the oldest piece of justice that we humans recognize, but it's rarely exercised. More usually it runs "seven deaths, a fire, three ****s and two amputations for an eye". Zealotry is without limit; blind enthusiasm that mutates a noble cause into a monstrosity is one of our defining characteristics as a species. Where the individual may be innocent, the species as a whole - political affiliation be damned - is guilty.
The solace we have is the certain knowledge that war is temporary. I'm pretty certain that no one side has the capacity to really defeat another, so eventually the war will burn out like a fire starved of fuel, and maybe we can get back to being civilized for another century or so.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:42:00 -
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M. Ixiris, Federation representatives to CONCORD allowed your people's home system to be placed on the list of 'approved' systems for the Militia Act and therefore under threat from Caldari occupancy/liberation. However at present your home system holds almost zero value to State corporations beyond the fact it was included on the list of 'approved' systems. There is an entire constellation in Placid that has more State corporate & institutional assets than Federation; the Federation government protected its listing it as an approved Militia Act constellation and thus State forces are unable to officially liberate those systems. I suggest you talk to your government in regards to their selection of systems that fall within the rules of the Militia Act.
Take a look around the Federation, you may notice that State corporations still inhabit much of it.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.08.05 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
There is an entire constellation in Placid that has more State corporate & institutional assets than Federation; the Federation government protected its listing it as an approved Militia Act constellation and thus State forces are unable to officially liberate those systems.
(Emphasis mine)
That choice of wording sets all sorts of alarm bells ringing in my head, Mr. Nederland. After praising your corporation on its more moderate stance and defending you from the chestbeating pseudoanarchist morons that are the Star Fraction, it kind of disappoints me to see that sort of language being bandied about. Using "liberate" in the context of Caldari Prime might be in some ways valid - talking of any part of Placid in terms of "liberation" is unacceptable. Placid was never owned by the Caldari State and is a member region of the Federation. Using "liberate" in that context makes me feel like the Caldari consider this some sort of crusade.
Placid isn't your territory. No-one there needs "liberating" - except, ironically, the Federal citizens in Odamia and Covryn who currently inhabit systems that have been occupied by your State. You shouldn't be there, just like I feel we shouldn't be fooling around in The Citadel. Or do you intend that the Federation be destroyed?
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Dance Commander
Asuka Smith > not even goons can make 30m ISK this interesting. |
Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.06 03:20:00 -
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Edited by: Dex Nederland on 06/08/2008 03:21:51
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 05/08/2008 23:44:53
Originally by: Dex Nederland
There is an entire constellation in Placid that has more State corporate & institutional assets than Federation; the Federation government protected its listing it as an approved Militia Act constellation and thus State forces are unable to officially liberate those systems.
(Emphasis mine)
That choice of wording sets all sorts of alarm bells ringing in my head, Mr. Nederland. After praising your corporation on its more moderate stance and defending you in front of the chestbeating, slanderous pseudoanarchist morons that are the Star Fraction, it kind of disappoints me to see that sort of language being bandied about. Using "liberate" in the context of Caldari Prime might be in some ways valid - talking of any part of Placid in terms of "liberation" is unacceptable. Placid was never owned by the Caldari State and is a member region of the Federation. Using "liberate" in that context makes me feel like the Caldari consider this some sort of crusade.
Placid isn't your territory. No-one there needs "liberating" - except, ironically, the Federal citizens in Odamia and Covryn who currently inhabit systems that have been occupied by your State. You shouldn't be there, just like I feel we shouldn't be fooling around in The Citadel. Or do you intend that the Federation be destroyed?
You are correct my wording was very poor, as it is not my corporation's assets that reside there, unless you include the Caldari Business Tribunal stations, which Lai Dai helps to fund. Saying State forces liberate was rather all encompassing and crude.
I should instead say Ishukone, Nugoeihuvi, or Wiyrkomi forces working to secure their assets against 1) the Federation government and 2) pirates. The Federation government diverts tax funds away from improving the security of Placid, which would benefit the tax payers, both the Caldari corporations and the Intaki people. Clearly the pirates, be they Serpentis or Guristas, are a threat to anyone operating in the area until someone takes action to improve the security.
You ask if I intend to destroy the Federation. It is a fair question and no, I do not intend to destroy the Federation. However I will say that should a potential market ask for aid in separating itself from the Federation; my corporation will take notice.
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2008.08.06 05:01:00 -
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Your defense is still flawed. Insofar as what is public record, there are no Caldari corporation intersts operating in Odamia (nor hardly any Gallente ones, some privately owned mining operations at most). Same for Covryn, unless the Quam pirates count as Caldari business interests now. And need I mention the number of State Protectorate fighters we've been called on to help chase away from Federation Navy instalations in the area? (Yes that means the Navy has increased their presence in the area, for what little that says of them.)
Also, I don't believe even the most hardline sepratists (who have never been a majority) would be in favor of living under Heth's banner.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.06 05:44:00 -
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The fact is that most Caldari are in Placid and other "Gallente" systems because the Gallente want the war to go on...and who can blame them?
The Gallente were caught with their pants down when the Caldari invaded, and the opinion amongst most Gallente citizens is one of retribution, not a desire for peace. There is a sense that this attack needs to be repaid, and the Caldari put in their proper place - as subservient colonists on the fringe of the Federation.
Meanwhile, we the Caldari have no intention of letting our homeworld go. Thorradin is our most extreme pilot, I suppose, but for every Thorradin you have two Karanths, advocating genocide against us. Most of us have no intention of conquering the Federation - what would we do with it? - but we also have no intention of letting the massive Federation war machine gather the minerals and materials from its valuable low-sec systems.
I only hope that the Federation and State can come to the table soon, and bring peace to this side of the cluster. But we must have Caldari Prime - it is not merely land, or some kind of ideal...it is our soul, our genesis.
As long as one Federation flag flies over Caldari Prime, we dishonor our ancestors and let those who know nothing of us spit on our heritage and spirit. But we wish the flags of the State to fly only over Caldari Prime - not over Gallente Prime or any of your favored planets.
Why are you so insistent on driving us out of our home?
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.06 07:09:00 -
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It's not your home, anymore than Serpentis Prime is Sarpati's home. It is the home of the people who live there now, and the home of a dream that died years ago.
You have as much legitimate claim to that planet as I personally do to ancient Earth. You started a war you couldn't finish before, and it cost you dearly. Why are you being such masochists about it and doing so again?
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:31:00 -
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Originally by: Karanth
It's not your home, anymore than Serpentis Prime is Sarpati's home. It is the home of the people who live there now, and the home of a dream that died years ago.
"Died", did it? I suppose the State must be a grand illusion, then.
If our claim to that world is illegitimate, Captain, then the Federation's is more so.
I classify the annexation of Odamia and Covryn as falling under a "the best defense is a good offense" strategy. I can't say I approve, but then again I am not in charge. Personally, I would prefer to see Caldari interests focus exclusively on those systems that contain State assets
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:35:00 -
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It is. Look at what it does, and what it stands for. I think you'll find very different things.
And I'd prefer Heth and his cadre of hangers-on die horribly violent deaths, and that the State be taken over by, oh, the Guristas, or the Jove, or even the Rogue Drones. Honestly, one drone has more intelligence than that entire diseased pile of mouth-breathers.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.08.06 11:45:00 -
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Democracy, n.: a cunning system for fooling people into believing that their petty individual opinions actually count for anything in a galaxy of trillions where world-scorching firepower can sometimes rest in the hands of one man.
And you think we're the grand illusionists.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.06 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Faraelle Brightman
Your defense is still flawed. Insofar as what is public record, there are no Caldari corporation intersts operating in Odamia (nor hardly any Gallente ones, some privately owned mining operations at most). Same for Covryn, unless the Quam pirates count as Caldari business interests now. And need I mention the number of State Protectorate fighters we've been called on to help chase away from Federation Navy instalations in the area? (Yes that means the Navy has increased their presence in the area, for what little that says of them.)
Also, I don't believe even the most hardline sepratists (who have never been a majority) would be in favor of living under Heth's banner.
You think I am trying to defend our current occupations?
No, I am defending the right of State corporations to secure their assets. If I had wanted to defend the occupation of Odamia or Covryn, I would suggest that Federation forces are using Placid as a base to attack Lai Dai assets and this must be discouraged, as your fellow Federalist have in regards to Black Rise and State forces. I have not done so.
A problem with democracy; the will and rights of minorities are ignored.
Heth's power is transient. What will be your battle cry when the political balance and climate in the State stabilizes and the CEP and corporate executives regain power? Keep Caldari corporations out of the Federation? That will damage the Federation economy right along with the State's; State corporations are already there.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:14:00 -
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People tend to get pretty heated around here, so this will likely be ill-received... However, I must point out that what you're all discussing doesn't really matter anymore. It hasn't mattered since the Caldari steamrolled over the Gallente Border in coordination with the Elder Fleet thrusting to the heart of the Empire.
Right and wrong are over, now. So what if the Caldari in this Summit can turn public opinion to their side against the Gallente, or vice versa? Do you think that will make the shooting stop? At the end of his life, do you think that a deckhand aboard a burning State Raven or a crumbling Federation Megathron give a damn who was right and who was wrong?
You capsuleers need to remember who - and what - you are.
I hope you're not all genuinely so naive.
Idealists... pfft.
Originally by: CCP Explorer
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:08:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Stitcher
Democracy, n.: a cunning system for fooling people into believing that their petty individual opinions actually count for anything in a galaxy of trillions where world-scorching firepower can sometimes rest in the hands of one man.
Plutocracy, n.: a cunning system for obtaining extensive individual profit with without individual accountability.
Stitcher, we have a lot of respect for each other's cultures - let's not muddy it with strawmen.
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Dance Commander
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Yoshitaka Moromuo
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:18:00 -
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Indeed, Mr. Ixiris. Let us return to the topic at hand... thus, let me congratulate you on a battle well-fought.
Believe me when I say that even I don't want to see the Federation conquered or unnecessarily occupied. I'm quite content with supplementing the defense and fortification of the systems under State sovereignty.
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Norrin Ellis
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Posted - 2008.08.07 07:47:00 -
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The analogy made here is as if marriage is a contract and nothing more, to be broken at will for mediators and arbitrators to determine the division of property and other terms of the dissolution.
What happened to a lifetime commitment? Most traditional marriages that I am aware of revolve around the concepts of "until death do us part" and "what God has joined together, let no man separate." If you must attribute the original Caldari relationship with the Federation as marital, then the State had no right to abrogate that arrangement other than its natural demise.
Your analogy is grossly inaccurate and paints a disgusting picture of Caldari values. I had held your people in higher regard, but if you have reduced the sanctity of marriage to an arrangement of convenience, to be discarded when it no longer pleases you, then I can only pray the Caldari people at large are not so devoid of love, which is not so self-serving.
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.07 08:00:00 -
[28]
Originally by: Norrin Ellis
The analogy made here is as if marriage is a contract and nothing more, to be broken at will for mediators and arbitrators to determine the division of property and other terms of the dissolution.
What happened to a lifetime commitment? Most traditional marriages that I am aware of revolve around the concepts of "until death do us part" and "what God has joined together, let no man separate." If you must attribute the original Caldari relationship with the Federation as marital, then the State had no right to abrogate that arrangement other than its natural demise.
Your analogy is grossly inaccurate and paints a disgusting picture of Caldari values. I had held your people in higher regard, but if you have reduced the sanctity of marriage to an arrangement of convenience, to be discarded when it no longer pleases you, then I can only pray the Caldari people at large are not so devoid of love, which is not so self-serving.
Except for, perhaps, in the Empire (not sure where Scripture goes on this issue), that is exactly what a simple marriage is: a contract, to be thrown out at the first convenience.
For it to be more, the people or nations involved need something extra, aside from a certificate and some legal witnesses.
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Stitcher
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 09:02:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
Stitcher, we have a lot of respect for each other's cultures - let's not muddy it with strawmen.
Why not? It's rather fun, after all...
Hehe, kidding, kidding... You're right, and I apologize. That kind of petty sniping does nothing to improve the situation.
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Sahaquiel Faust
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:58:00 -
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I just wanted to throw my feelings on this whole thing into the arena of posturing and hemming and hawing.
I've got no problem with the State reclaiming it's homeworld. however I do have big problems with a picket fleet being stationed there with a Leviathan class vessel in it.
It doesn't take a Leviathan to blockade a world. and honestly there are probably just as many dead Caldari on that world now as dead Gallente. I think that the Gallente Federation doesn't really have any right to protest Caldari Prime being retaken, however I think we have every right to protest that fleet in orbit over it.
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