Originally by: xjen0va2

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link 2 info on suicide gank nerf please. i checked the information portal.

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Originally by: copasetic sideways

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i, for one, am convinced ki an would make an entertaining after dinner speaker

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Originally by: NeoTheo

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over 5 million SP, you become wardecable.

however its achieved.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Guys, spread the word! Start your own threads!

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Originally by: Abrazzar

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As soon as you cost more moderation time than your subscription is worth they should delete your account....

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Originally by: NeoTheo

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over 5 million SP, you become wardecable.

however its achived.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Yeah, NPC corps need to be reworked. In line with this new concept of risk/reward by which CCP are basing the nerf to suicide ganks, NPC corps need to have more risk. You can sit in an NPC corp your entire EvE life running lvl 4 missions without any risk what-so-ever. Especially now that suicide ganks are getting nerfed. This needs to be fixed, CCP.

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Originally by: Steve Hawkings

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/signed
this game now has too many losers just building stuff and not willing to fight for it.

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Originally by: Animenick

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Originally by: Ki An

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Yeah, NPC corps need to be reworked. In line with this new concept of risk/reward by which CCP are basing the nerf to suicide ganks, NPC corps need to have more risk. You can sit in an NPC corp your entire EvE life running lvl 4 missions without any risk what-so-ever. Especially now that suicide ganks are getting nerfed. This needs to be fixed, CCP.

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What, so you griefers can dec anyone who even crosses your path the wrong way? How are new people to the game supposed to better themselves? And the SP requirement for a war dec doesn't work. Even if you have 10mil SP, getting hunted by a 2003/2004 char is sure death. The fact is there are some serious jerks in this game who will go out of the way to make it so miserable that you would quit. Making it viable to dec someone in an NPC corp will just make it easier for the control freaks to make this game hell to some.

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Originally by: copasetic sideways

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Originally by: Steve Hawkings

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/signed
this game now has too many losers just building stuff and not willing to fight for it.

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uh-huh... and who ya gonna call when the "losers" have been hounded out of game?

(clue: answer isn't ghostbusters)

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Originally by: Ki An

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Yeah, NPC corps need to be reworked. In line with this new concept of risk/reward by which CCP are basing the nerf to suicide ganks, NPC corps need to have more risk. You can sit in an NPC corp your entire EvE life running lvl 4 missions without any risk what-so-ever. Especially now that suicide ganks are getting nerfed. This needs to be fixed, CCP.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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Not it isn't, people should be encouraged to get out in low sec space, but never forced to do so.

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Originally by: Ruze

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I think the entire war-dec scenario needs overhauled. It shouldn't be used as a pay-to-grief program.

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Originally by: Neesa Corrinne

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Originally by: Ruze

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I think the entire war-dec scenario needs overhauled. It shouldn't be used as a pay-to-grief program.

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Given the fact that there are dozens of methods, for anyone with a grasp of tactics, to avoid a fight... griefing is hardly the word.

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"The greatest offense is no defense."

Originally by: FlameGlow

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There are no rewards for being in NPC corp therefore there is no risc of wardec, looks ok

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Originally by: FlameGlow

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There are no rewards for being in NPC corp therefore there is no risc of wardec, looks ok

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: FlameGlow

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There are no rewards for being in NPC corp therefore there is no risc of wardec, looks ok

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Define "reward"…

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Originally by: FlameGlow

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Ability to put a POS and use it, entire corp having agro on loot thief? Those are available when it's just you and your alts in corp, real corps have other benefits too

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: FlameGlow

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Ability to put a POS and use it, entire corp having agro on loot thief? Those are available when it's just you and your alts in corp, real corps have other benefits too

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On the other hand, the tax rate and daily running costs for NPC corpers are zero. That would count as a reward.

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"The greatest offense is no defense."

Originally by: Ruze

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Remove the invincibility of npc corps, and then you have to address the ease of running your own corp. I can corp hop all day. You don't have to be in an NPC corp to be invincible.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Yeah, NPC corps need to be reworked. In line with this new concept of risk/reward by which CCP are basing the nerf to suicide ganks, NPC corps need to have more risk. You can sit in an NPC corp your entire EvE life running lvl 4 missions without any risk what-so-ever. Especially now that suicide ganks are getting nerfed. This needs to be fixed, CCP.

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Originally by: Ruze

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Remove the invincibility of npc corps, and then you have to address the ease of running your own corp. I can corp hop all day. You don't have to be in an NPC corp to be invincible.

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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I read in the Hello Kitty threadnought someone's suggestion that once somebody hits 5 million SP's they are automatically moved into their Empire's militia as a "global service". That might be a good solution to the problem of security in NPC corps.

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Originally by: Tippia

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Originally by: Dirk Magnum

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I read in the Hello Kitty threadnought someone's suggestion that once somebody hits 5 million SP's they are automatically moved into their Empire's militia as a "global service". That might be a good solution to the problem of security in NPC corps.

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I can't really see how it would solve anything. You would still be undeccable by the people you annoy, and it's not particularly hard to stay away from the roaming gangs of the enemy factions.

They'd only be a threat if they randomly happened to stumble across you (while being chased by navy NPCs in a hostile system). They'd have very little reason to actively hunt you down they way they would if you were subject to a real wardec, mainly because you'd go on missioning and mining and never draw any attention to yourself.

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Originally by: Ruze

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If you really want to address macro issues, then make it simple. Players cannot use mining barges or exhumers in high-sec space. One good reason for this is because Empires USE those asteroids for their own navies and whatnot. It might be one thing to give someone a license to take out a vexor and mine, but to allow them in a full barge? I don't think an Empire would really allow that.

Secondly, trial accounts. Trial accounts are restricted in space .5 or higher. Can only chat in their noob corp and the help channel. Can't send mail. Can't send money or train a large portion of skills.

Then you add the 5mil sp shift, and you've got an interesting system.

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Originally by: Ruze

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But is your intent to increase the RISK involved, or to make the target something you can wardec? I think the intent should be to increase the risk. If they get into the militia as an involuntary sign-up, they may start looking for an active corporation to move into. If not, they WILL have that inevitable risk of being caught in a system by a roving militia gang.

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Originally by: Tippia

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I don't stay in SAK to stay safe û I do it because I have no way of finding a corp I want to join that I also actually can join. Hopping around between fifty-eleven different corps only to discover that they're all run by megalomaniac numpties is not a solution. In the meantime, the longer I stay in SAK, the more people I get to know there and the less inclined I am to leave.

àthe question in my mind is just how it could be made easier û I really don't have any useful ideas.

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Originally by: Nur Vadenn

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As an NPC corporation member I am already penalized with sanctions. I can't use or get into a sizeable portion of game content unless I make my own corporation or join a player run one. I only get a scant few benefits for these sanctions. Really the system is slanted against me, but it is fine as it is.

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Originally by: Faife

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didn't the op emoragequit over bacon already?

cause i was sorta hoping he did.

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Originally by: Minami Sayuri

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It seems that the solution to this problem is fairly simple. You can easily create incentive for a person to leave an NPC corp by doing one of the following:

1. Completely bar members of NPC corps from doing L3/L4 missions.
2. Limit the number of L3/L4 missions a person in an NPC corp can do per day.
3. Significantly reduce the rewards for doing L3/L4 missions while in an NPC corp.

Basically you want to make it so that it's not worth it for a player to stay for any given period of time in an NPC corp. Starter corps should be crutches for new players, not a money-making safe haven for older players. If you implement any of the above options and also prevent players in NPC corps from fleeting with non-NPC corp players, you provide a safe starting corp for newer players while also making it fairly pointless for older players to remain in the said corp.

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Originally by: Ki An

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Yeah, NPC corps need to be reworked. In line with this new concept of risk/reward by which CCP are basing the nerf to suicide ganks, NPC corps need to have more risk. You can sit in an NPC corp your entire EvE life running lvl 4 missions without any risk what-so-ever. Especially now that suicide ganks are getting nerfed. This needs to be fixed, CCP.

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Originally by: Ghoest

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Seriously nothing will be done about this till they address the War Dec situation.

Like it or not the Devs agree with common sense.
That the current War decs are just license to grief(yes grief its not about stealing loot its just about giving casual corp with 10 or so players a hard time ussually.)

What happens is some guys make a corp. They dont have good skills maybe one or 2 owns a battleship. They have fun, run missions together and occassionally try out low sec in cruisers or something they can afford to lose.

The a group of high skill players with HACs etc. war decs them. A couple of them get ambushed and losse there best ships, no one can earn any money to replace the ships because their junky ships get ganked quickly.

So what happens? Half the corp quits and the rest moves to an NPC corp and waits a year till they have skills to get recruited to a powerful corp.




Until you fix War Decs you have no choice but to live with the unfortunate side effect of super high skill players never leaving high sec.

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Originally by: Minami Sayuri

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It seems that the solution to this problem is fairly simple. You can easily create incentive for a person to leave an NPC corp by doing one of the following:

1. Completely bar members of NPC corps from doing L3/L4 missions.
2. Limit the number of L3/L4 missions a person in an NPC corp can do per day.
3. Significantly reduce the rewards for doing L3/L4 missions while in an NPC corp.

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Basically you want to make it so that it's not worth it for a player to stay for any given period of time in an NPC corp.

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