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Slickdrac
Minmatar
Imperium Forces
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:10:00 -
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Lofty scam is banned, because it offers little risk for plenty of reward. The person running it needs merely a ship that will exploit the weaknesses of the ship, and an alt in their own corp to wardec. The mission runner has no defense from the surprise attack.
Suicide ganking exhumers and mission runners is rendered illogical. Now that it's impossible to make anything resembling profit from doing ganks on miners and mission runners (unless they have some idiotically unneccessary expensive deadspace/officer fit, or enjoy mining with Estemel hardeners) It used to offer little risk besides losing your ship, for a little bit of reward (or more reward, if you find idiotically overspending missioners) or most of the time, a little loss on miners depending what dropped.
Now lets look at scamming. The only risk you run is people spreading around your name. And if you do it right, people don't even realize they've been scammed for a while. Resulting in much reward for you and many tears from the scammed, who then go off to sully your name, only to find out you were an alt, and already recycled that char for another one. Resulting in no real risk, for plenty of reward.
So lets go CCP, lets take out scamming, it's just as bad as lofty and suicide ganks.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:12:00 -
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This thread needed to be made by a throwaway alt in a newb corp. The nullsec alliance tag identified the post as a troll post before the end of the first paragraph.
It was on the right track though in terms of content. 5/10 for delivery.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:12:00 -
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No. The lofty "scam" and suicide ganking are just game mechanics which are being used in interesting ways.
Scams are a part of the game. You know there will always be a risk by giving somebody your stuff.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:14:00 -
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7/10 because it's better than the average today.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:14:00 -
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Scamming either takes alot of effort, or someone very stupid/new to fall for it. If there is a third case and it's an exploit of GAME mechanics, rather than social engineering, CCP have in the past 'fixed' it.
Alot of this also has to do with GM time, they can provide tools ingame to help people keep themselves safer from scams, but they certainly aren't going to have a GM investigate every situation that may or may not have been a scam. It's players own responsibility to keep themselves safe from scams that don't involve real money (CCP do police char scams / GTC scams etc). Although again in that area they put in tools that mean they shouldn't have to.
The game also rewards teamwork, and with that comes risk in trusting people, but also great reward.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:17:00 -
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Yep we want some consistency CCP.
And while you are at it, nerf ECM and RR gangs as well.
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Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:18:00 -
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Nerf the ability to log into the game from RL. Problems solved.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:19:00 -
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Does salt water boil faster than fresh water?
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Slickdrac
Minmatar
Imperium Forces
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Slickdrac on 06/08/2008 16:21:20
 Originally by: LaVista Vista
No. The lofty "scam" and suicide ganking are just game mechanics which are being used in interesting ways.
Scams are a part of the game. You know there will always be a risk by giving somebody your stuff.
Regarding the lofty, you know there always is a risk inviting someone to your gank. Oh wait, not anymore, people complained too much.
edit: Unintended typo >_<
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Does salt water boil faster than fresh water?
yes
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Bignfurrie
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Does salt water boil faster than fresh water?
Yes!
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Bignfurrie
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Does salt water boil faster than fresh water?
Yes!
Sweet! Now I can make pasta faster!
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Slickdrac
Minmatar
Imperium Forces
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Sweet! Now I can make pasta faster!
Which kind of pasta are you making?
Also unless you boil all the water away (leaving only the salt) you'll end up with salty pasta.
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Tarminic
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:39:00 -
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Stock Response:
*Sec Status Hit: Only occurs to one person even if a dozen are involved in the gank. Increasing this by a maximum of 10% (+5 sec stat vs. -5 set stat) will affect solo gankers a little, but not very much.
*Improved CONCORD response time: Will force players, in some instances, to upgrade to a larger ship, bring a friend, or fit a few T2 modules (cheaper than going from BC to BS)
*Sec Status Hit Based on System Security: Ganking becomes easier to sustain in lower sec systems and harder in higher-sec systems.
*No Insurance payout: Using a BC to suicide gank someone will now cost you $20 million ISK, not $5 million ISK. This will hurt your ability to profit from low-value targets, and such as someone who carries 50 million ISK of goods in a T1 hauler. It will also raise the bar for the minimum value of freighters to about 1.8 billion ISK (guessing) to be worthy of a suicide gank. However, it won't affect those who do things like carry blueprints in shuttles or officer modules in...well, anything. Profit will still be huge even after insurance payouts. This will also have no effect on suicide ganking mission runners as those worth ganking (officer/deadspace/faction fit) will still be very profitable.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:41:00 -
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I have a suggestion.
When your ship is taking fire, please let a dialog box pop up with the message "This player is causing you harm, do you want to petition him?" with a yes/no answer.
That will show them.
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Originally by: Roguehalo
Can you nano Titans?
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:44:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 06/08/2008 16:44:54
I would have prefered teh lofty scam to work in reverse. I.E People you gang with can shoot first and see wartargets in local.
So noob miner can hire roaming "A-TEAM" style mercs to join their gang and fight their wartargets. However, the way CCP implemented wardecs transfer in gangs was so bad, that you could only scam with it. If you ever fire the first shot, you got concorded thus defeating any non-scam use for it.
I would have prefered them to fix it insted of removing it.
As for suicide ganking, there needs to be risk for the ganker which simply does not exist. Risk should be on both sides of the equasion.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:46:00 -
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Suicide-ganking mission-runners was barely profitable for half a bil fits usually, but almost nobody got ganked for less than 1-1.5 bil ; freighters WERE already relatively safe with barely over 1.5 bil in the cargo.
The removal of insurance will drive those numbers up by a factor of at least 3, maybe even 5... let's say 4 on average.
So, now, you have 4 bil mission fits as a general rule for bare minimum gankage, and freighters with at least 6 bil ISK in cargo.
Somehow, I think this is a bit overkill.
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THE APPRENTICE || mineral balance || nanofix
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mishkof
Caldari
Finis Lumen
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
I have a suggestion.
When your ship is taking fire, please let a dialog box pop up with the message "This player is causing you harm, do you want to petition him?" with a yes/no answer.
That will show them.
I admit I am guilty of chuckling.
I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response.
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Lopin Acheteur
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Suicide-ganking mission-runners was barely profitable for half a bil fits usually, but almost nobody got ganked for less than 1-1.5 bil ; freighters WERE already relatively safe with barely over 1.5 bil in the cargo.
The removal of insurance will drive those numbers up by a factor of at least 3, maybe even 5... let's say 4 on average.
So, now, you have 4 bil mission fits as a general rule for bare minimum gankage, and freighters with at least 6 bil ISK in cargo.
Somehow, I think this is a bit overkill.
Unless you want to kill someone to cause them loss rather than just for the profit? Highsec ganking wasn't ever supposed to be a serious isk making career option. Now you can do it to **** someone off, or vs a high value target with some planning or persistance. Or someone carrying far too much in a ship far to fragile.
People in haulers will still die with valuable cargos, and people will still make money from it, just with more risk attached.
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Sorted
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Yep we want some consistency CCP.
And while you are at it, nerf ECM and RR gangs as well.
all in good time.. give them a month or two
Vote against the nano nerf!
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=832371
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:48:00 -
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…but without scamming, where would the fun be in going to Jita? 
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:49:00 -
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How about we declare fitting nanos "griefing" or "scamming" and then legalize/encourage it ...
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Maam
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Drunk Driver
Sweet! Now I can make pasta faster!
Then I shall call it "paster".
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.08.06 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Lopin Acheteur
Highsec ganking wasn't ever supposed to be a serious isk making career option.
Says WHO ?
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THE APPRENTICE || mineral balance || nanofix
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Feilamya
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:01:00 -
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Scams may be low risk, but it certainly takes someone wayyyy smarter than the op to pull off a successful scam, which is why they are fine.
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Plekto
CCITT
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:17:00 -
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No. Welcome to the only thing that makes the game even somewhat realistic. If it were me, shoot, I'd get rid of insurance, clones, warp to 0, bookmarks, BPOs, and Concord. If such a "hard core" server existed, I'd only play there.
No more hand-holding the newbies. No turning EVE into DOAC or WoW in space.
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Aslann
Gallente
Win and God
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:29:00 -
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Scamming isnt the problem, idiots are the problem (hi OP).
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
The Black Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:34:00 -
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How about we ban forum whiners who suicide gank in game, while telling their victims about the fact that there is "risk" in high-sec, while complaining that a little risk has been added to the eve pvp-easy mode that has been the suicide gankers life for months and months.
How about that?
-Karlemgne
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Lothros Andastar
Gallente
MisFunk Inc.
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:34:00 -
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You fail If you fall for a scam then you deserve to be chemicly castrated and removed from EvE
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Ethaet
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.06 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ethaet on 06/08/2008 18:34:58
You're doing it wrong. You're meant to use an alt, preferably caldari.
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.06 19:05:00 -
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I am a member of the CCP development team, and will take your suggestion into careful consideration if you send me 1,000,000,000 isk as a sign of your commitment to this issue.
Thank you.
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