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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.07 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: CommmanderInChief on 07/08/2008 11:54:43
OK well this is the story from this make up your own minds.
We decided that we wanted to move a better 0.0 system than Syndicate. A base for our pirate and 0.0 operations, where we could build logistics and make money from losing any ships during battles.
As people know PL rent Fountain, reasonable terms I guess, can rat anywhere, mine, dont claim sov in already claimed system usual stuff. So we thought ok well lets go for it. We dont want to be tied to any alliance just yet, so claiming our own space really wasnt what we wanted to do. we are a little like PL free roamers, killing stuff.
So we paid our money and moved in..All was good until we attempted to actually do what we thought we could do.
Now this isnt a rant at PL as tbh they were ok, more towards Sons Of Tw*ts..(Tangra) of whatever it is..
Most of fountain sov is taken my SOT leaving not many unclaimed areas, obivously PL have theres and Elitist have some and of course now Requiem.
So we ratted around in space, everytime we entered any SOT Sov space (which was many) we were basically told get the fu*k out, you shouldnt be here etc. Total arrogance and crappy attitudes, this was constant, they even attacked some of our guys even when blue.
It got worse when we put up a pos in a unclaimed system just for logistics, noone went in there really. Along come SOT and claim the system and tell us to remove the POS not allowed here etc. We thought WTF we already had it here. We spoke to them they say they dont care blah blah..remove it or we will kind of threats. They talked about having to reinforce our poses, ermm never had to for ours so thats BS, and it didnt matter anyway as we didnt have sov. But anyway it wasnt the point of removing it it was the sheer attitude and arrogance of these people.
But still we shouldnt of had to remove it anyway.
To us this was the last straw constantly being told what we can and cant do, being kicked from systems etc. There are not enough unclaimed space for all the renters to use simple as and some you cant go to anyway cos you may have a free one one end another 20 jumps away. To be honest worthless.
So we decided to reset SOT kill a few and left halfway through our rental period. We wont be pushed around by anyone especially SOT. We didnt attack any other players, SOT was our target only.
Its a shame PL are ok it seems.
So we go to another area where we wont pay rent, more targets what we should of done in the first place.
So my advice is if your looking to rat, mine make money have logistics dont bother with Fountain. Seriously. If it was great id tell you it was. In fact we would still be there.
But there again renting is not for a pvp corp - too many god damn blues
We have done A FULL STANDINGS RESET to all renters/residents of Fountain.
SOT are remaining red and we shall see you around im sure.
Im sure there will be many *****ing posts but to be honest I dont care. This was our experience. And a crap one at that.
And remeber this is Sons Of Tangra (SOT) not SoT Corp
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Aenis Veros
Caldari Alphaflight
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:08:00 -
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Oh the tragedies of a renter.
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:15:00 -
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move to y9g in syndicate. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.07 14:28:00 -
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we moved from syndicate :) needed a challenge
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Xtreem
Gallente Knockaround Guys Inc. Exxxotic
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:07:00 -
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tbh we have never had any issues with SOT, they have always been friendly to us, pilots and leadership, however although we are on the renters list (bleh) we were there before PL were, and were friends with most of the people nearby already, and simply pay PL for docking rights for ease of 0.0, can we have a seperate colum on the pl renters list for us :D :D:D
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Archetype02
Gallente Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:52:00 -
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i have only to quote a legend..
i have four words for you sot : "my balls - your mouth" -hackg
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Aralt Aran
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:57:00 -
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Never trust SOT ,it`s a trafic light alliance red blue red blue red blue friends no friends ,we like you now ,now we don`t .You are blue ,but we scout for our friends that are neutral to you ,to gank you.
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CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Aralt Aran
Never trust SOT ,it`s a trafic light alliance red blue red blue red blue friends no friends ,we like you now ,now we don`t .You are blue ,but we scout for our friends that are neutral to you ,to gank you.
yes your right about that, they had some very dubious neutral corps around
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Lord Adess
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Posted - 2008.08.07 19:54:00 -
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hey M8 the only good way to fly in fountain , is to go roam and kills all the morons live there crapy place to be for living, big mess atm around!!
never rent a place in 00 like that this npc area. if you need to rent a good place contact some strong alliances, and serious! check the map and ranking alliances , contacts diplos im sure you will find better deal on this way. good luck
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XxAngelxX
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.07 21:25:00 -
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Any miners/NPCers looking to take advantage of one of the best regions in the game contact Achmetha for extremely fair deals. It may not suit the pvpers but we don't always need to bash heads to make things work --------------------------------------
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Archetype02
Gallente Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.08 13:47:00 -
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wait u mean how some of the best systems are now also SOT sov? that means the best mining systems too, and they will tell you to fukc off out of their system in general, if you dont they start shooting. i still have a nice damagelog and combat log on that one..
looking for space ? dont go fountain. sorry angel but its simply the truth that SOT runs fountain nowdays and not you.
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.08 17:33:00 -
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Confirm, I am a SOT pet, that lives off the free dictors they hand out
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Fedman Kasad
Minmatar Bulgarian Mafia Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.08.09 11:25:00 -
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I am just noob, but if i am not mistaken renters can't just put POSes around without asking first. [-------------------------------------------------] Tears stream behind my visor, but eyes look unblinking at the world |
Cheeva
Gallente Core Productions
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Posted - 2008.08.09 11:32:00 -
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they can according to the deal PL makes with the renters.
unclaimed systems are free to place towers in so its kinda rere that you come in and tell people to remove towers that had placed them there before you who are renting from your allies makes it look really bad
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thightickler
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:47:00 -
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SoT are just buttkisses. They were blue previously to bruce before PL kicked their buttes they just don't seem like a trustworthy group at all.
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Rajere
No Trademark Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:18:00 -
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Edited by: Rajere on 09/08/2008 18:18:59 never heard of you before, so I assumed you lived in the northern half of syndicate. Southern Synd is just much better space and attracts different groups than northern does.
also Bulg are good people. Can't fault them for not liking so many blues. NOTR How to Fail at Eve
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Venomire
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Venomire on 09/08/2008 18:31:46 Standard practice, I fail to see the issue. You need to find out the details on where you're allowed to rat, place POS, etc. Just because you are (or were) blue doesn't give you the freedom to rat, mine or deploy POS in their space (usually it's entire constellations that are off limits, not singular systems, so just because they don't have sov in that particular system does not mean they don't have claim to the constellation).
edit: Basically, your diplo's need to get detailed information from the major parties in Fountain.
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Dwight Hammerhead
Caldari Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.08.10 15:06:00 -
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Edited by: Dwight Hammerhead on 10/08/2008 15:14:35 Edited by: Dwight Hammerhead on 10/08/2008 15:12:00 lol, lol and tripple lol
@ comply or die - you are a pvp corp? rly? How about you stay and duke it out with us? I will let 5 of my guys against 10 of yours? That fair for a pvp corp? And the only thing you killed was a Cerberus that saw you blue in his local, as you didnt inform anyone of that standings reset. After that you ran like little girls. So very brave. I salute you. We are still figuring a way to possibly replace this terrible loss to our corporations' fighting force.
@ all the Fountain Renters. There is one very, very important thing here - yes, you are paying PL. Not us. PL have a renters list. We dont. You are only set blue because you pay PL. You CAN rat everywhere, cept if a SOT pilots wants to rat in there, for obvious reason. If any Fountain renter wants anything more specific from us - feel free to convo me. As ppl say - it never hurts to ask. After all, we were killing shit in every region we have been, things are no different. And yes, we are double crossing scumbags. At least its up to whether we like you or not, not some payments..
@ PL - shadoo, you are late on this months payment, hurry up..
-EDIT: just saw a post. If you look at the map or go around you will see many systems with sov belonging to renter corporations and stuff. So it is actually quite easy. However it is usually wise to first ask, and the put up a tower, rather than put up a tower and whine after it gets shot. Besides, those are only towers. They get shot, thats why they are in space.. The ships do the real shooting any day of the week.
Chief scumbag of the unholy fountain coalition (still cracks me up) _____________________________________________ Too bad at photoshop and too poor to buy a sig. Amarr Victor? Unlikely. |
CommmanderInChief
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.10 21:44:00 -
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if you say so ^^
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kublai
Caldari Art of War
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Posted - 2008.08.10 22:03:00 -
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Such a disgrace, it's disgusting how some people treat renters, really, just a disgrace, no honour.
A-War Recruiting |
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.11 02:05:00 -
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roffle, i love my minions.
you guys didnt pay for rights to lay down poses in space so really its a free for all. sure you can lay them down but nothings guaranteed.
also i am loving my vacation because i dont have to deal with ***gots like the posters in this thread
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Cheeva
Gallente Core Productions
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Posted - 2008.08.11 14:32:00 -
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in that case he has nothing to talk about and should have kept his mouth shut
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 11/08/2008 15:33:16 Edited by: Jebidus Skari on 11/08/2008 15:31:25 Im bored with this subject, but the facts and they are facts remain. In fact mazz you even said people can anchor poses
infact
Originally by: mazzilliu roffle, you guys didnt pay for rights to lay down poses in space so really its a free for all. sure you can lay them down but nothings guaranteed.
Quote: (from your rental agreement) you get permission to set up poses anywhere in fountain provided it is not in any system with PL sov if the system has a non-pl pos in it already you will have to discuss with the owners to get permission.
So there you are wrong - a blantant lie
No person owned that system at all when we put up the pos, i mean ffs its a damn POS not even set to claim sov..you were just pushing ppl about being tw*ts simple as...
also another in your agreement
Quote: and you get permission to rat, mine, explore anywhere in fountain with the provision that your pilots respect systems already taken by other npcers and dont cause dumb drama. Everyone in fountain is NBSI.
Again a blantant lie
Is this with provision that SOT can come in at anytime and tell you to get the f*ck out you mean..
I think SOT agreement is obviously different to yours.
You have been proved wrong twice in your own agreement so firstly at least know what your agreements say before trying to be clever on the forums and infact looking stupid
Its like saying here rent your house but dont enter the bathroom, or the bedroom, actually if you want a **** you need to ask me..Infact dont even put up a anything. Basically its a scam , you get renters and basically offer something you cant or wont offer simple as...and then give attitude in the process, as far as im concerned we are well rid of fountain...bad experience, bad landlords bad benefits..fact.
And proven you agreement means sh*t and you dont care anyway..
Again I also iterate DO NOT RENT IN FOUNTAIN....
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Aralt Aran
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:03:00 -
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PL pos killed a SOT archon.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.11 19:26:00 -
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its kinda ironic that 1) a pvp corp has to rent space. 2) said pvpers go to the forums to cry about not being able to rat and mine in the best systems.
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.11 21:46:00 -
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ermm if you read the ops post youll see it was to make isk?? Whats even more ironic a PVP Alliance actually owning space...and renting it - Especially when xxAngelxx had a big issue with it when in tri - now thats ironic
anyway lets leave this to die ... we said our peace
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jebidus Skari waah, buttes.
we arent charging much in the first place anyways. after paying the grand sum of 200 mil to live in fountain i dont really have much compassion for your plight of being told to remove poses from a system sons of tangra didnt want you putting poses in. if you really wanted poses in some specific system when the other major power in the area doesnt want it there, youre gonna have to pay a little bit more honey.
i hope achmetha got all the other minions to reset you guys so we can have more terrible carebears to shoot. if one of youall is reading this and havent reset "comply or die" yet, you ought to. thanks!
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Jebidus Skari
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2008.08.12 08:17:00 -
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look the simple fact is your 'rental agreement' means jack sh*t...the agreements arr set by yourselves, and your prices. You cant now say oops you have to pay more for something you offered in the first place. Change your agreement or prices..Your agreement as shown above clearly states people can rat, mine, put poses up.
Thats all i personally need to say on this matter.
people can make up their own minds.
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Venomire
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:13:00 -
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I love PL.
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namesarehard
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Posted - 2008.08.12 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: namesarehard on 12/08/2008 23:40:51 Comply Or Die sounds like a bunch of cry babies to me. If you want a system to call your own, you are gonna have to fight for it and defend it. ToS did the right thing in pushing you guys around. You let them do it and now no one is going to take you seriously because you just whine about it.
Originally by: Jebidus Skari look the simple fact is your 'rental agreement' means jack sh*t...the agreements arr set by yourselves, and your prices. You cant now say oops you have to pay more for something you offered in the first place. Change your agreement or prices..Your agreement as shown above clearly states people can rat, mine, put poses up.
Thats all i personally need to say on this matter.
people can make up their own minds.
Haha, this is really sad. You guys act like agreements have to be honored and upheld. Whos gonna stop the renter from screwing you over? Saying life isn't fair and complaining about it on the forums isn't going to get you anything. Step up and grow a pair.
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