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Arpiter
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:08:00 -
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Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
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Karanth
Gallente
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:09:00 -
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NGE? In MY Eve!?
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:10:00 -
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 Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
 people like you ruin EVE
not nerfing its balancing it!
Trinity Corporate Services
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Sweet Rosella
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
so true CCP is showing no loyalty to the subscribers that have been playing this game since beta.
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Mazzarins Demise
Profit Development and Research Association
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Mazzarins Demise on 07/08/2008 12:10:59
Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
I can agree with you only to a point. Unlike Trammel, you can still suicide gank and kill people in Highsec. It's just a little harder than before, that's all. People will still do it.
Hopefully though, the DEVs are smart enough to not follow down that same road completely.
- 8 year Ultima Online Vet
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:11:00 -
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The similarities between first release UO and Eve is what made me start playing Eve. When UO went cozy I stopped playing. Oh and multisharding is teh suxx.
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Sweet Rosella
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:11:00 -
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Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
people like you ruin EVE
not nerfing its balancing it!
not true, you would of thought afetr 5 yrs they would get the balance right, but no, its all about the numbers.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:13:00 -
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I'm not convinced that's the direction EVE is taking at all but if it turns out to be, it will be a big loss. From what I've read, Trammel in UO caused the hunters and their prey to be separated, resulting in a server full of hunters with no prey and a server full of invulnerable prey with no pvp challenges to keep the game interesting.
We can't all be cowboys, someone needs to play the injuns.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:15:00 -
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First, the suicide balance was overdue. It just took out the unending profit of the matter, and people were using disposable alts way too frequently.
Second, EvE has been changing since way before that. Give it another year, maybe two, and we'll either be seeing some form of CONCORD intervention in low-sec, or CCP will shard EvE to provide a PvP-free world.
The new players who have joined over the past year, especially, have seen no proof outside of the occasional 'suicide grief gank' that EvE is not playable as a PvE only game. Nothing the devs have done has shown them this. And all the players do is act like griefers ... and most pvp players do ... which doesn't talk ANYONE into wanting to PvP.
Lag will get worse in mission hubs. NPC corps and single-man corps will see much more use. We'll lose the ability to carry out a wardec in hisec. We'll lose the ability to suicide gank without severe penalization. And the game will continue to split along the Empire line, between the money making area, and the PvP battleground. Everything else will be left to 0.0, where alliances do their own thing.
It's coming. It has been coming, and it'll continue. Because players aren't joining EvE to play EvE, they are joining EvE to play only 25% of the game.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sweet Rosella
Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
so true CCP is showing no loyalty to the subscribers that have been playing this game since beta.
Welcome to the real world - are you new here?
It's called running a business. They know that the vast majority of us will cancel our subscriptions and switch to another game as soon as one becomes available. They know how fickle customers are - and computer game players are amongst some of the most fickle. I'm sure they hope and plan for a long lasting game but they are not fools. They are maximising their profits while they can and good for them.
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Gealbhan
Caldari
Infernal Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
Couldn't have said it better myself. I left UO when it split in two and 3/4 of the population went to Trammel, the PvP side as in Felucca, died. The community was broken, player towns and events ceased to be.
UO has been in decline ever since they split it, it used to have 250,000 subscribers, now it can barely sc**** up 70k.
PvPers need a game to congregate in, Eve-o was it but they're going to repeat UO's mistake and die off too.
CCP are pandering to the quick buck of the WoW blow-ins whining that EvE is too tough etc etc. They'll all leave when something new comes out and their legacy of whine and nerfs will leave this game a shattered heap of its former self.
That day will come!
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Zhenga
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
people like you ruin EVE
not nerfing its balancing it!
What is it balancing it to? Lvl 4 missions?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: Sweet Rosella
Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
so true CCP is showing no loyalty to the subscribers that have been playing this game since beta.
You've been here since beta? Don't even start to assume you speak for me and what I've been waiting for.
I for one welcome the new developments and see them as CCP filling in the gaps and making it a more complete game.
Moderators lock on to the OP, he seems to be on a posting spree.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:22:00 -
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GB2CS!
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testalt01
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:22:00 -
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I am sorry I must be missing something here...
Did CCP completely remove suicide ganking from the game?
Did they make it impossible to lock and shoot the crap out of ships and players in high sec?
No, they made suicide ganking a bit more costly for the attacker.
It will still be a viable activity to gank haulers carrying several hundred million in loot on autopilot.
It will still be a viable activity to kill shuttles carrying expensive implants and faction items.
You will still be able to smartbomb packs of miners.
You will still be able to kill officer fitted CNRs.
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So what are we whining about in this thread again?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:23:00 -
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IF YOU DON'T DISAGREE WITH EVERY NERF THAT CCP HAVE EVER MADE EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO HAVE HAD ULTIMATELY BENEFICIAL EFFECTS YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN.
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Ringo Jeicha
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:24:00 -
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhh, they make it too hard for me to get easy lulz...
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
IF YOU DON'T DISAGREE WITH EVERY NERF THAT CCP HAVE EVER MADE EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO HAVE HAD ULTIMATELY BENEFICIAL EFFECTS YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN.
I spank you because I love you?
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: testalt01
I am sorry I must be missing something here...
Did CCP completely remove suicide ganking from the game?
Did they make it impossible to lock and shoot the crap out of ships and players in high sec?
No, they made suicide ganking a bit more costly for the attacker.
It will still be a viable activity to gank haulers carrying several hundred million in loot on autopilot.
It will still be a viable activity to kill shuttles carrying expensive implants and faction items.
You will still be able to smartbomb packs of miners.
You will still be able to kill officer fitted CNRs.
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So what are we whining about in this thread again?
It's not this one change that we're complaining about. It's the overall arc. This change is a good one, I feel, but it doesn't change the steady decline of the game from a niche game for a niche playerbase, to a mainstream game that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
It's just pure economics. CCP can make more money by pandering to the larger audience. UO did the same thing, as did EQ. If that audience is you, then have no fear.
But there are a bunch of players who remember the OLD UO fondly. You might look out and see the players in low-sec as nothing but cruel greifers and sadistic bastards. They look at you and the 'carebears' as the majority-rule that continues to ruin game after game.
Personally, I'm a carebear, but I think the UO analogy is right on the money.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Pesadel0
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Andreus Ixiris
IF YOU DON'T DISAGREE WITH EVERY NERF THAT CCP HAVE EVER MADE EVEN THE ONES THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN TO HAVE HAD ULTIMATELY BENEFICIAL EFFECTS YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN.
I spank you because I love you?
In a sense yes.
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FDUSPYZOR
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:28:00 -
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Making suicide ganking harder is the death of PvP in Eve?
Sure, if all you do all day is suicide gank people.
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:34:00 -
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Oh suck it up people.
You either know what you are doing (and will be fine), or you don't (and will give up because the classic empire suicide gank is "too hard" now).
It's amusing actually.
The whine is that EVE is becoming a pink fluffy place with no challenges for the player base.
The truth is that certain types of gameplay just got much more challenging to do successfully.
Anyone else see the irony? 
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Goktar illiat
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:35:00 -
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Actually you could "train" some badass mobs onto the TRAMMEL noob, then loot their nice vanq weapons they never thought they could loose.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Oh suck it up people.
You either know what you are doing (and will be fine), or you don't (and will give up because the classic empire suicide gank is "too hard" now).
It's amusing actually.
The whine is that EVE is becoming a pink fluffy place with no challenges for the player base.
The truth is that certain types of gameplay just got much more challenging to do successfully.
Anyone else see the irony?
Nop i canŠt can you elaborate?
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Schalac
Caldari
Brotherhood of Wolves
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:37:00 -
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NO. Support me on my campaign to keep EVE a cruel dark and ruthless universe that we have come to love. Suicide gank people. War dec people. do it for the love of EVE just do it.
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testalt01
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ruze
It's not this one change that we're complaining about. It's the overall arc. This change is a good one, I feel, but it doesn't change the steady decline of the game from a niche game for a niche playerbase, to a mainstream game that appeals to the lowest common denominator.
It's just pure economics. CCP can make more money by pandering to the larger audience. UO did the same thing, as did EQ and SWG. If that audience is you, then have no fear.
But there are a bunch of players who remember the OLD UO fondly. You might look out and see the players in low-sec as nothing but cruel greifers and sadistic bastards. They look at you and the 'carebears' as the majority-rule that continues to ruin game after game.
Personally, I'm a carebear, but I think the UO analogy is right on the money.
There is nothing wrong to catering to larger player base as long as you don't kill the game while you are at it. A lot of players are treating this move as if by making a suicide ganker pay 3-50 mil more for his ganks the developers are ultimately killing EVE and going back on their promise of pvp everywhere and anywhere. While in reality all this will do is raise the bar on price of gank-worthy cargo. CCP hasn't banned PVP from high sec. And in fact, in the past years they have made PVP much more accessible, as EVE has went through a huge deflation in prices on ships and mods while it has never been as easy for players to make ISK, especially new players, to fund combat.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Deviana Sevidon on 07/08/2008 12:40:06
The changes in security hits when suicide ganking someone, will really not change much.
<<< Counterstrike is that way
>>> World of Warcraft is the other way.
Or adapt and stay. Your choice.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zhenga
Originally by: northwesten
Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
people like you ruin EVE
not nerfing its balancing it!
What is it balancing it to? Lvl 4 missions?
lvl 4 need balancing
Suicide ganking in high sec shouldn't be so easy! Doesn't hurt there wallet as much and sec? meh who cares! I can go on and on and no High Sec shouldn't be safe! nor should it. Tho it's not balanced in many ways and with GTC going on its too easy!
EVE no way soft! It's harsh and still is. People come on here and use Real money to replace there wallets and I love to make it harder for them and if they want to spend more RL money on isk then good there dumb to do so. There plenty of balancing to do! If you dont see that then you dont understand EVE at all!
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Nexus1972
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Daedalus Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Sweet Rosella
Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
so true CCP is showing no loyalty to the subscribers that have been playing this game since beta.
Its not the players that have been playing since beta that bring in the big bucks for CCP, its the more recent people. At the end of the day all games evolve or people would get bored of them. If CCP want to expand the number of users game mechanics have to evolve or the userbase will stagnate and die.
Everytime a big change is made the forums suddenly come alive with people complaining, but ultimately numbers keep going up. CCP dont particularly care about old users nor does it 'owe' them. CCP want more and more users, that isnt going to come from loytalty to long term players, but appealing to new players. I've had a couple of friends that started play9ing the game and within 2 weeks one of them was killed in Jita carrying nothing more than a +2 implant he just bought.
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Pesadel0
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
Originally by: Sweet Rosella
Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
so true CCP is showing no loyalty to the subscribers that have been playing this game since beta.
Its not the players that have been playing since beta that bring in the big bucks for CCP, its the more recent people. At the end of the day all games evolve or people would get bored of them. If CCP want to expand the number of users game mechanics have to evolve or the userbase will stagnate and die.
Everytime a big change is made the forums suddenly come alive with people complaining, but ultimately numbers keep going up. CCP dont particularly care about old users nor does it 'owe' them. CCP want more and more users, that isnt going to come from loytalty to long term players, but appealing to new players. I've had a couple of friends that started play9ing the game and within 2 weeks one of them was killed in Jita carrying nothing more than a +2 implant he just bought.
You know by that logic UO should be flourishing rigth now,take a wild guess ,yep that is right it isn't.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:00:00 -
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Nothing stoping people suicide ganking at all, you can still gank as normal. A mining barge ina belt will still die vs same numbers. I guess all this fuss is over people unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose?
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
Nothing stoping people suicide ganking at all, you can still gank as normal. A mining barge ina belt will still die vs same numbers. I guess all this fuss is over people unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose?
As I keep saying, this fuss isn't about the current dev blog, at least for many of us. I see that as a positive change.
But it is just one more step in the path of what UO and EQ and SWG (in it's own way) have done. You want more money, you cater to the lowest common denominator.
"The greatest offense is no defense."
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:02:00 -
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The future ain't what it used to be.
--Yogi Berra
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Ranger 1
Oh suck it up people.
You either know what you are doing (and will be fine), or you don't (and will give up because the classic empire suicide gank is "too hard" now).
It's amusing actually.
The whine is that EVE is becoming a pink fluffy place with no challenges for the player base.
The truth is that certain types of gameplay just got much more challenging to do successfully.
Anyone else see the irony?
Nop i canŠt can you elaborate?
Just for you? No, I'm afraid my time is more valuable than that. 
But you can ask most anyone in your alliance that posts intelligently, they would appear to understand the concept already.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:04:00 -
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What amazes me is the fact that year after year CCP keep boosting isk farmers.
Isk farmers make up most of your whiners.. they get ganked int he ice fields and cry foul.
NOW..... ice will drop even more as the farmers farm it more and more with -0- risk.
They had damned near zero risk as it was.
Mission running got even safer...
Hell, they were bringing an alt into the ice fields JUST to get concord in there and sit there all day while they farmed ice and now, concord is buffed even more.
Once again, isk farmers 1, players 0
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:06:00 -
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Do not fly what you cannot afford to lose.
This lesson for GANKER and the VICTIM.
Welcome to eve.
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:06:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Nothing stoping people suicide ganking at all, you can still gank as normal. A mining barge ina belt will still die vs same numbers. I guess all this fuss is over people unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose?
People unwilling to fight with what they cannot afford to lose complaining that EVE is becoming a cold, harsh place.
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Shintai
Gallente
Balad Naran Orbital Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:06:00 -
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For those that ACTUALLY played since the beginning. Even tho we messed up people in highsec and everywhere. I would say that even when flying with Stavr0s, Zap etc. EvE back then was much more peaceful than it is today.
So just because you lost your FOTM Vagabond setup doesnt mean EvE is getting soft. More the opposite.
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Kretin Arnon
Amarr
Path of the Immortals
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:11:00 -
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/slaps forehead.
Is suicide ganking really the sole foundation EVE is build on?
Please, when did suicide ganking suddenly turn in to greatest form of PvP?
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Pesadel0
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Pesadel0
Originally by: Ranger 1
Oh suck it up people.
You either know what you are doing (and will be fine), or you don't (and will give up because the classic empire suicide gank is "too hard" now).
It's amusing actually.
The whine is that EVE is becoming a pink fluffy place with no challenges for the player base.
The truth is that certain types of gameplay just got much more challenging to do successfully.
Anyone else see the irony?
Nop i canŠt can you elaborate?
Just for you? No, I'm afraid my time is more valuable than that.
But you can ask most anyone in your alliance that posts intelligently, they would appear to understand the concept already.
Indeed but you have taken the time and effort to whine about whiners ,i mean if something is more hypocrite is that.
And allot of us donŠt like were CCP is heading with all this changes not the insurance issue ,just on broader terms getting this game more PVE orientated and catering for the stupid and that wasn't the focus now was it?
Now i will ask you this did you ever suicide-gank anybody yourself?Or are you just expressing your opinions based on someone else experience of that.Tell you what a guy that suicides-ganks and doest cover its ship and modules is a tard and if he continues to do so Darwin will take care of that.
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Exlegion
New Light
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:15:00 -
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I'll never understand why is it the ones that enjoy to watch others cry and engorge themselves in others' misery are the ones that cry and whine the loudest when the smack is layeth upon them. This is just beyond irony and poetic justice.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Mordekai Bloodwake
The Phoenix Enclave
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Arpiter
Ultime Online started hardcore. Eventually it got popular and people started crying about being killed and ganked and scammed. So they made a pretty little world called Trammel where everyone could be safe and frolick and play without fear of death. Now EVE is going down the same path this anti suicide ganker stuff is the first step. Did eve hire koster for advice on how to run a MMO? bad ccp
Nope its called running a business, due to the high demand on staff, equipment, time, resources and so fourth it all costs money (unless your too young to understand that concept!) anyhow, CCP knew from day 1 they would have to make Eve suitable for everyone if they want their player subs to grow beyond the normal cap (i.e. as you so stated - "Hardcore" players) that group of players is a very small percentage in the MMO business and is not enough to pay for expan's, new staff, new equipment, bandwidth and so on thats required to grow a successful MMO with all the new competition being developed. So like it or not, Eve will evolve and will change for everyone to enjoy! IF you dont like it, i suggest you make your own MMO or get some capital and invest in an MMO company so you can make your own.
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Esu Nahalas
The Night Corporation
RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kretin Arnon
Please, when did suicide ganking suddenly turn in to greatest form of PvP?
Not only that, but when did relatively risk-free suicide-ganking become the bedrock of EVE? Don't forget that CCP is simply adding an element of risk to it and not prohibiting it altogether?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kretin Arnon
/slaps forehead.
Is suicide ganking really the sole foundation EVE is build on?
Please, when did suicide ganking suddenly turn in to greatest form of PvP?
Those moronics gankers who whine about the changes are the biggest carebears of all. That's why they whine now loudest - the clever ganker, he knows that these changes are in the long run in his own interest.
Why are moronic gankers the biggest carebears? Because they take zero risk. All the outcome of their action is already clear: they will lose the ship, get the insurance etc. They can calculate the invested costs up to the 1/100 isk. Everything completely determined. So ... where is the risk in that?! It is absolute riskfree carbearing. And what do carebears when their toy is taken away? They run to the forums and whine.
The more clever gankers, they don't whine at all, most of them like the changes because they know it will play them into their pockets in the long run.
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JabJabVVV
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Nexus1972
...ultimately numbers keep going up...
Do they really?
I don't know what has caused this but for the first time I can remember the 'server population (last year)' graph is showing a prolonged period of stagnation, possibly even a slight decline.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:39:00 -
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As you can see, Trammel came out in April 2000. Totally killed UO.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:44:00 -
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Hint: EVE DEV's came from hardcore UO .. so I think they are not going to do same mistake as their previous favorite game ..
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:46:00 -
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Indeed but you have taken the time and effort to whine about whiners ,i mean if something is more hypocrite is that.
Stating that I find these threads amusing (and more than a little ironic) != whine.
Nice try though.
And have I suicide ganked before? Why yes, although it was for political purposes, not financial ones. Despite that fact it was rediculously easy each time (and very profitable as a side note).
Had it been a bit more challenging, it would have been more fun.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
Hint: EVE DEV's came from hardcore UO .. so I think they are not going to do same mistake as their previous favorite game ..
But money is money. If they can appease the 'why would anybody attack me?' crowd, which is an audience of millions, then they will dumb down the game as far as it needs to go.
Just face it. PvP is on it's way out. As long as it stays in the ring systems, carebears don't mind. They want their world, screw yours.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright.
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