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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.11 18:55:00 -
[31]
 Originally by: Vigilant
Originally by: Tarke
So how do you tell the micro guy from the guy with more then a few accounts?
Macro / farmer never use a GSC,
No miners in a decent mining ship ever use a GCS, both for ice or minerals.
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always use the same warp in point,
And the rest of people that ice mining do the same. Ice roids don't move, so you put a bookmark in mining range.
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never talk in local,
Another meaningless one. You always chat ion local with unknown and annoying people?
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generally fill there cargo and warp back to station
Again, as most people ice mining alone do.
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All that says "Macro / Farmer" to me.... Occassionaly you find a noob that never found a home, that looks like this... but he will talk to in local and generally has some standings.
a lot of your "telltale" sign are meaningless. As usual for mos vigilante kind of people, you are more interested in ganking someone and self justifying yourself saying "He was a macro" than really trying to find the true macro/isk farmer.
Originally by: Gamesguy
the suicide ganking is merely an isk farming activity.
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Kurzick Killer
Caldari
Cold Lazarus Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.11 20:40:00 -
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I think that if you Ratt in low sec and forget about the mining ice thing you would be alot happier.
What to do is get your self a pos and stick it in low sec near an ice field so you can use the ice to fuel the pos. Then you can make 20 to 40 mil an hour and you need not worrie about your ice prices...
Just a thought.
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Che22a
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:05:00 -
[33]
Simple solution:
Remove the ice from empire and sit back and enjoy the fruit your own stockpile of white glaze
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Natalie Mia
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Posted - 2008.08.12 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: Grann Thefauto
Where are these macrominers? I think we may be able to arrange for an "unfortunate accident"...
My ALT is strictly set up to mine. No biggy but for a short time she was in a NPC corp because my corp needed a standings improvment. Again no biggy but when I am sitting in Brapillile Mining away peacfully and someone comes in to arrange for an "unfortunate Accident" I didnt like being the target. I got lucky the first missile didnt kill me the second put me 10% from death and the 3rd missed. CONCORD killed him before the death blow would have happened. Now I dont mind the "Accidents" happening to the bot miners and ISK farmers, they are ruining my legitimate business. I just mind being the target. :) It would be nice to find a way to prevent the "Accidents" from happening to legitimate players.
Nat
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Pernick
Gallente
Wilkins and Bennett CO
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Pernick on 12/08/2008 17:43:31
Originally by: Che22a
Simple solution:
Remove the ice from empire and sit back and enjoy the fruit your own stockpile of white glaze
/signed
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Originally by: Natalie Mia
My ALT is strictly set up to mine. (...) It would be nice to find a way to prevent the "Accidents" from happening to legitimate players.
Legitimate players would understand how to defend a ship in low/nosec.
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:43:00 -
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I have 5 Alt's that Ice/Ore mine in Empire they have worked in 0.0 in a Corp/Alliance but i don't get the time to watch local like a hawk, but there defence is Small shield booster, shield booster amp, invul and a cap recharger all T2, as for defeating macro minings which i have been called more than once, would a pop up box with a click here to continue mining every time the ship has hauled and returned or changed a riod in ore belts not work,,,i wouldn't mind clicking 5 boxes if it meant a end to macro's.
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Natalie Mia
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:56:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Tinker1947
I have 5 Alt's that Ice/Ore mine in Empire they have worked in 0.0 in a Corp/Alliance but i don't get the time to watch local like a hawk, but there defence is Small shield booster, shield booster amp, invul and a cap recharger all T2, as for defeating macro minings which i have been called more than once, would a pop up box with a click here to continue mining every time the ship has hauled and returned or changed a riod in ore belts not work,,,i wouldn't mind clicking 5 boxes if it meant a end to macro's.
if that were the case then the macros would be down for a day or two untill the programers that made them recalculate the code for the new screens. The macros are getting more and more complex and even will defend ships from ratts without any input from the user.
As for defending my ship I can do that just fine against the local rats and what not but a Mackinaw against a BC with cruise missiles I dont stand much of a chance and I would guess that there are very few in the game that could. I know about the video of the exhumer taking on and killing cruisers and what not I love that, but this char does not have those skills as of yet. I have my ALT geared for mining and refining not fighting. She has OK defence skills and can mine in .4 with little trouble (I have not mined below .4 so I dont know how she does there) I mainly stay in .5+ with her. I can make all the ISK I need to support my main characters habbits in .5 space so that is were I stay.
Basicly my point was that just seeing a char with a NPC corp and little to no standings is not automaticly a macro miner.
Nat
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Owin Forsyth
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:40:00 -
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'Eve without macro miners would be like the United States without migrate workers.' I said that in local chat yesterday. It seems that some of you wouldn't have seen that even if you were in the same system as I am, so I typed it here.
I mine and I have stayed in the same system for almost 2 months. I have signed on to change skills at various times during these days. I have been in belts, seen rats attacking players and their hulks continue to mine until after a few minutes they warp away.
If you stay in the same system, as most miners do, you have a pretty good idea who the players are that use macros.
I reported them, and nothing happened. They are still mining in the same system as they were before. They are still ignoring the rats. They are still selling their minerals at ever lower prices.
I decided to not renew my subscription. But after several days, I changed my mind. I still mine, but I decided to increase my manufacturing and trade skills for awhile.
It seems to me that CCP is well aware of macro miners. Maybe they can't figure out how to stop them, or maybe, just maybe, they don't want to.
Think about it.
Without all of these macro miners, the price of minerals would go up considerably. And all of these characters who like to go pew pew would be complaining about the prices of ammo, ships, etc.
Minerals are the basis for almost everything in Eve. If the prices of minerals goes up, and they would with no macro miners, then the prices of everything would go up. So, I think CCP just ignores the problem of macro miners.
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Satrani Destiva
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:11:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Satrani Destiva on 12/08/2008 21:18:33
Edited by: Satrani Destiva on 12/08/2008 21:17:50
I might get slated and even wardecced for this but as a suggestion (and it is only a suggestion) how about getting actually legalizing the bots and allowing everyone to use them but at the same time getting rid of the ability to use isk to pay for the game?
Yeh I know it's a stupid idea with far more drawbacks than bonuses but short of making it legal there's no other way of levelling the playing field. It's a bit like athletes taking drugs. Some do, some don't. If the ones who do get found out they get banned (these are the athletic world's macros) but if everyone was allowed to use them then the playing field would be levelled again. The difference in EVE is if on bot is banned the person will either create another character or just buy another. and the rest of the player base who just don't do it will be the ones left suffering.
Unless a way of quickly and efficiently removing a macroer can be found it's going to just get worse and worse until the whole playerbase says stuff it and buys bot programs. And CCP can't remove it's whole playerbase now can it?
/rant, feel free to flame.
EDIT: No I don't condone it, just a point of view
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Quantum Light
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Posted - 2008.08.13 03:23:00 -
[40]
To clarify about a macro miner being in a NPC corp. If the char is currently in a NPC corp but history shows it has been in other corps then its not a macro miner. If you see 3 hulks mining together all created on the same day and corp history shows they have been in a NPC corp the ENTIRE time, (2+ months ago) then its a good bet they are a macro miner.
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Sin Stylejr
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Posted - 2008.08.13 04:03:00 -
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If macro miners vanished tomorrow then YES mineral prices would rise, alot. This would last for a month tops till players saw the rise and started mining more. PVPers would take a few hours a day to mine severe profits might even stop pvping all together. Eventually things would level off again as prices would fall from the increase in mining so hardcore pvpers would take their riches and get it blown up lol. This is how Eve was intended to work and would work.
Constent macroing will continue to decrease value in minerals to the point where no one will mine. Builders would buy from macroers for little to no isk and sell ships at insurenced prices. Eventually turning tranquility into the test server.
Legalizing bots would end eve. People who play for actual challenge and fun would lose all interest as there would be no challenge or risk. No sense of loss. Logon to the test server there is hardly ever more then 300 people on. Its a world where everything is free with no risk of losing anything you cant replace in 5 mins.
Now what CCP has to do now is clear the fog out of their eyes from seeing their dream come true. 2k players at peak has become 40k players. Congrats CCP majority of us are mostly impressed and atleast proud of the success. Now get off your behind and clear the 10k bots ruining the economy, lag, and over all moral in game.
I mine with 2 accounts with close to 100k SP between them. I spend MANY hours sitting at countless belts mining enough isk to go buy a shiny toy to kill things in. I then watch a macro clear the same margin as i do over night with a single hulk and no hauler. Its depressing. And one other thing, the steady stream of macro haulers cutting through low sec is getting damn old too.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente
Revelation Space
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Posted - 2008.08.13 10:00:00 -
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hmmm you should see Ardallier in Gallente space. Every time I visit the belt to mine some ice, the same list of nonsenical names is there. You know the type:
ghck
pewpewpwe
hysl
and so on. They're always in NPC corps, they have no other corp history or standings. They mine and they haul like clockwork...
Although after thirty minutes of liberating ice and blowing it up, I did get one of them to take the ice back from my can. Navy Comet -> Iteron 5. Was anything said in local? No.
/sigh
I am seriously considering training for a smartie... they mine in clsuters of five or six ships, I ma just wary of the sec hit I'd get for podding six people 
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.08.13 12:03:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Borini
I think that with a good programmer you can even automate it into a nice tool that reports macroers and automaticly deletes the caracter.
You are disregarding the false positive paradox.
Assume that one character in 1000 is a macroer. And assume that CCP can develop a test that's 99% accurate (very unlikely that they can make it that good, but let's assume they are superhuman for a minute). That would mean that if they tested all the characters in EVE if they are macroers (let's assume there are 200000 characters, there are more, but for the sake of argument) the test would kill 198 of the 200 macroers (good), but it would also delete 1998 innocent characters. So for every macroer punished you would punish over 10 innocents. Even if one of of 100 characters is a macroer, you would still hurt as many innocent people as guilty ones.
If we assume an accuracy of 95% (still unrealistic, but closer to reality), you would hurt more paying customers unless one character in 20 is guilty. And hurting a paying customer is a very, very serious thing compared to letting a macroer live. I'd guesstimate that hurting one innocent is worse for the company than letting 100 macroers live.
That's why this cannot possibly be done automagically.
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.08.13 12:11:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Vigilant
Macro / farmer never use a GSC, usually run there shield boosters full time, always use the same warp in point, anymore they seem to have a Concord cloud near them, usually never engange rats, never talk in local, generally fill there cargo and warp back to station (they got smart and stopped jet canning, people having to much fun ripping them off constantly). Lastly, there names are something like "AKSKLS(EKDKJ", corp history is usually short if any, always in NPC Corps, and they don't have any standings.
no gsc - check
shield boosters full time - check
same warp in points - check
concord cloud - happens
never engage rats - check (sometimes I remember to let my drones out, but usually the shield booster takes care of the problem)
never talk in local - check
fill cargo and warp back - check
stupid name - nah (I challenge you to write an algorithm that decides which names are silly though)
NPC corp - check
no standings - check
So. Basically, your super-automagic AI flagged me as a macroer and deleted the account I use for mining when waiting for exploration scans to finish on my main, leading to loads of work for customer support, chargebacks on my credit card, drama on the forums and bad PR for the company.
Good thing you're not in charge.
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Vigilant
Gallente
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2008.08.13 13:38:00 -
[45]
Its already been said 1000 times in other threads, the problem is NPC corps and war avoidance via corp hopping is to easy.
CCP needs to make all players after 3 months or so by account goto a copr that can dec'ed and the war follows the player even if he corp hops.
Make them legal targets, if CCP does not want police their own servers of macro / farmers then make it so players can. We are here to actually play the game, not have some idiots destroy it with a piece of software to make real money off lazy people who do not want play the game.
Sorry guys "ranting" a bit, but 4 systems I frequent often are full of them, causing mineral prices to goto to hell, cause CCP is lazy.
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Owin Forsyth
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Posted - 2008.08.13 13:55:00 -
[46]
You failed to mention that you are on 20 plus hours a day, every day.
Granted, some players may play 20 plus hours a day, I don't, but I am guessing some do. However, I don't think any human player would be able to mine 20 plus hours a day, every day of the week, every day of the month, every day of the year.
Originally by: Hegbard
Originally by: Vigilant
Macro / farmer never use a GSC, usually run there shield boosters full time, always use the same warp in point, anymore they seem to have a Concord cloud near them, usually never engange rats, never talk in local, generally fill there cargo and warp back to station (they got smart and stopped jet canning, people having to much fun ripping them off constantly). Lastly, there names are something like "AKSKLS(EKDKJ", corp history is usually short if any, always in NPC Corps, and they don't have any standings.
no gsc - check
shield boosters full time - check
same warp in points - check
concord cloud - happens
never engage rats - check (sometimes I remember to let my drones out, but usually the shield booster takes care of the problem)
never talk in local - check
fill cargo and warp back - check
stupid name - nah (I challenge you to write an algorithm that decides which names are silly though)
NPC corp - check
no standings - check
So. Basically, your super-automagic AI flagged me as a macroer and deleted the account I use for mining when waiting for exploration scans to finish on my main, leading to loads of work for customer support, chargebacks on my credit card, drama on the forums and bad PR for the company.
Good thing you're not in charge.
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Owin Forsyth
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Posted - 2008.08.13 14:15:00 -
[47]
Edited by: Owin Forsyth on 13/08/2008 14:16:19
A much easier solution that was stated 4 years ago would be to make the rats stronger.
I have below average drone skills and rats in .07 space are no problem for my drones. They could add warp scramble to rats, this would stop the warp away strategy that almost all macro miners employ.
Of course this would push macro miners to zones with no rats. Fine, they are in a few areas now. CCP should be able to get in game and monitor players.
Blizzard had the same problem with botters in WoW in 2006. They banned several thousand accounts. In June or July 2006, they banned over 56,000. And they let everyone know that they were banning accounts. In made headlines at that time.
But I am not getting paid by CCP to solve their macro miner problem. If they have a problem. Unless enough people complain, there isn't a problem.
Originally by: Vigilant
Its already been said 1000 times in other threads, the problem is NPC corps and war avoidance via corp hopping is to easy.
CCP needs to make all players after 3 months or so by account goto a copr that can dec'ed and the war follows the player even if he corp hops.
Make them legal targets, if CCP does not want police their own servers of macro / farmers then make it so players can. We are here to actually play the game, not have some idiots destroy it with a piece of software to make real money off lazy people who do not want play the game.
Sorry guys "ranting" a bit, but 4 systems I frequent often are full of them, causing mineral prices to goto to hell, cause CCP is lazy.
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Hegbard
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Posted - 2008.08.13 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Owin Forsyth
You failed to mention that you are on 20 plus hours a day, every day.
Well, sometimes I log in after downtime and then forget to log out when I go out. not every day though so this wouldn't flag me. Of course, it would be trivial for the macroers to adapt to that and only log in say.. 10 hours a day which is not unthinkable that some normal, innocent people spend in game.
So you'd still get false positives hurting innocents. Any automagic system will hurt more innocents than it will detect macroers.
I'm sorry if I'm so very negative, but I've actually written real-life systems to detect human vs. automated behavior that are analyzing much simpler behavior than that in a game and I know how hard it is to dodge the false positive paradox. Especially when you're dealing with a determined adversary who has a lot of money to gain on beating the system (in the case where I work, false positives don't hurt our customers that much and the "macroers" don't have much to win financially on trying to beat the detection system). I can let you (and CCP) in to a little secret - what works is to provide suspect macros with a fake world - tarpitting them into spending a lot of time dealing with fake data. Then have a very fast customer response service dealing with "something is wrong, I get strange data" bug reports which will remove them from the tarpit. But that would require a lot of development effort. In practice that would mean that a suspected macroer is moved to a parallel world where everything is the same, but the asteroids they mine and the money they make goes into a market that's not connected to the real market, so when they try to trade their illegitimately acquired ISK to a real player, there would be no ISK to trade. That makes them spend a lot of time, money and effort trying to beat the automatic system making it unprofitable. But as I said, that would probably be very expensive. And in the end it all comes down to customer support dealing with false positives as fast as possible.
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Sysion
Core Research Expedition
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Posted - 2008.08.13 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sysion on 13/08/2008 16:20:21
IMO, dealing with macroers is best done on an individual basis than to "solve" it.
If all macroers disappeared tomorrow, sure prices would go up, and you'd see new players and PvPers mining to cash in, but it wouldn't last. Prices would drop some, but never return to norm. Long term, PvPers would get bored with it, and most would return to doing what they normally do. Then the supply is no longer what it used to be, so prices would eventually reach a new, higher equilibrium.
And then, in the nature of all MMOs, the grass is always greener on the other side. Player complain about macroers now, wanting CCP to solve the problem, if they solved it, then you'd have players complaining about mineral prices and ship/module prices and wanting CCP to "fix" that problem. If they tried "automatic detection", you'd then get players screaming bloody murder when they were a false positive, and then they'd start calling for "fixing" the automatic detection.
There are some issues in the MMO world that are not solvable and attempting to only creates other issues. Balance is delicate and minor disturbances ripple across like water. Any attempt to "solve" the macroers issue would only create other issues. It is better to just deal with them individually than en-mass. Though I think CCP is too laxed when they're reported, but focusing there is better than "remove all ice from empire" or attempting to automatically detect macroers.
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Vigilant
Gallente
Vigilant's Vigilante's
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Posted - 2008.08.13 16:41:00 -
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Last I checked use of outside application to control your actions in Eve is "illegal".
And CCP is doing nothing to stop it minus posting "RMT is illegal" threads.
Macros / farmers only mine 23/7 for isk to sell. No other reason, which also is illegal.
Again CCP is doing nothing to stop them.
And hell I am not pvper by nature but I hate cheaters and people who take advantage of the system cause people don't enforce their own rules.
"Rant Off"
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.13 19:26:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Owin Forsyth
You failed to mention that you are on 20 plus hours a day, every day.
Granted, some players may play 20 plus hours a day, I don't, but I am guessing some do. However, I don't think any human player would be able to mine 20 plus hours a day, every day of the week, every day of the month, every day of the year.
Really? Never seen the people that leave a industrial in 1.0-0.9 mining all night?
I doubt they make much, but still they do it.
Or the people leaving AFK cloakers on 23 hours day?
Originally by: Gamesguy
the suicide ganking is merely an isk farming activity.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.08.13 20:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Hegbard
Originally by: Borini
That's why this cannot possibly be done automagically.
Automagically no.
But CCP probably could develop a data mining tool to identify likly accounts, at which point you bring in a human to look into the toon.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.13 20:11:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Vigilant
Last I checked use of outside application to control your actions in Eve is "illegal".
And CCP is doing nothing to stop it minus posting "RMT is illegal" threads.
Macros / farmers only mine 23/7 for isk to sell. No other reason, which also is illegal.
Again CCP is doing nothing to stop them.
And hell I am not pvper by nature but I hate cheaters and people who take advantage of the system cause people don't enforce their own rules.
"Rant Off"
They're not doing 'nothing' because I know people (idiots) who saw that it looked like CCP were doing nothing, and tried it themselves. They were banned within a week.
I think the problem may be that alot of these macros may also have one human watching a dozen or so macro's go about their business. Without a human there, it's easy once you've identified a suspect, to present them with a situation that is unexpected, a human would adapt to it, the macro wouldn't know how to deal with it. Once you have a human there watchign it, it becomes next to impossible for CCP to 'prove' that something is macroed.
Personally I think the dozen ships that perform all activities in perfect syncronisation is the dead give away. A human would not be able to activate modules across multiple ships without some tiny amount of delay, repeatedly. With just a single ship, it's much harder to detect.
Most people DO mine to GSC's though as it is more efficient, and those that don't are typically going to be afk, and will probably fill their cargo now and then etc. Not to mention CCP aren't fond of encouraging AFK play any more than they are macros. So anyone defending that they might look like a macro when playing AFK isn't exactly making a strong arguement for why that actually matters. If you can look like a macro while being AFK, obviously the activity is just a little too easy.
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.08.13 20:19:00 -
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Personally I think the dozen ships that perform all activities in perfect syncronisation is the dead give away. A human would not be able to activate modules across multiple ships without some tiny amount of delay, repeatedly. With just a single ship, it's much harder to detect.
I run 5 Hulks in ice/ore systems, when there doing the ice i gang them, they all warp on the click of a button, i unloaded them 1 at a time into a pos corp hanger, them 1 click they all warp back, i then have to set each ship to mine a ice riod, but they do all come and go at the same time....
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Rho Epsilon
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:39:00 -
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Every nth time you turn on a mining laser (or randomly per asteroid belt)you get a popup that contains one of those gif's with an oddly formatted word that you have to type in. Until you enter this PW that ship can't mine. Would be a minor annoyance to real players, but no worse than entering a password for a secure can and it would stop the farmers dead in their tracks.
Now tell me what I've missed...
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Tinker1947
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:39:00 -
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Quote:
Now tell me what I've missed...
If you idea works,may be there could ba a exemption for Alt's that are not paided for by GTC, but even if i had to do it for all 5 of my miners it would be worth the hassle.....
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Thoram
Minmatar
Twin Sun Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:35:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Rho Epsilon
Every nth time you turn on a mining laser (or randomly per asteroid belt)you get a popup that contains one of those gif's with an oddly formatted word that you have to type in. Until you enter this PW that ship can't mine. Would be a minor annoyance to real players, but no worse than entering a password for a secure can and it would stop the farmers dead in their tracks.
Now tell me what I've missed...
I mine in a hulk. and as such I pull in about 38000 veld per cycle. Not all roids contain enough for a full cycle or even 2 full cycles. Which means I try to time the time mining a roid to cut it off as the roid goes dead, so I dont waste time mining vacuum.
Sometimes I time it wrong, which means I get a tricle of ore left in the roid and I have to activate the miners again on the same roid, sometimes I time it good enough to move on to the next roid. having a scrambled picture show up every time I want to activate a mining laser (got 3 on the hulk) would seriously damage the playerbase that do mine.
There are some suggestions floating around regarding mining. Making the belts be scanned down to reach them is one. Not sure how macroers would handle that, but a legitimate player, sitting by the keyboard could do it. The belt wouldn't exist until you warp into it. Similar to scanning down a complex or a mission location.
If this becomes a reality I am sure macrominers will become less obvious.
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Rho Epsilon
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Thoram
having a scrambled picture show up every time I want to activate a mining laser (got 3 on the hulk) would seriously damage the playerbase that do mine.
There are some suggestions floating around regarding mining. Making the belts be scanned down to reach them is one. Not sure how macroers would handle that, but a legitimate player, sitting by the keyboard could do it. The belt wouldn't exist until you warp into it. Similar to scanning down a complex or a mission location.
If this becomes a reality I am sure macrominers will become less obvious.
I wasn't suggesting that it come up every time, or anywhere close to it. I was thinking randomly, maybe 5% of the time. Plus, once you typed in the pw that ship would be ok for several hours.
I wouldn't mind having to scan for a belt either. Anything that cuts down on the bots works for me.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Most people DO mine to GSC's though as it is more efficient, and those that don't are typically going to be afk, and will probably fill their cargo now and then etc. Not to mention CCP aren't fond of encouraging AFK play any more than they are macros. So anyone defending that they might look like a macro when playing AFK isn't exactly making a strong arguement for why that actually matters. If you can look like a macro while being AFK, obviously the activity is just a little too easy.
I really have trouble seeing how you can think that mining in a GSC is more efficient, at least after you get a barge.
AFK no, low attention while mining in high sec? sure.
Originally by: Gamesguy
the suicide ganking is merely an isk farming activity.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Rho Epsilon
Originally by: Thoram
having a scrambled picture show up every time I want to activate a mining laser (got 3 on the hulk) would seriously damage the playerbase that do mine.
There are some suggestions floating around regarding mining. Making the belts be scanned down to reach them is one. Not sure how macroers would handle that, but a legitimate player, sitting by the keyboard could do it. The belt wouldn't exist until you warp into it. Similar to scanning down a complex or a mission location.
If this becomes a reality I am sure macrominers will become less obvious.
I wasn't suggesting that it come up every time, or anywhere close to it. I was thinking randomly, maybe 5% of the time. Plus, once you typed in the pw that ship would be ok for several hours.
I wouldn't mind having to scan for a belt either. Anything that cuts down on the bots works for me.
Then the guy using 10 account to farm for isk selling will type the word and have no trouble (well, maybe foreign people used to other alphabets or pictographic characters will have more problems).
Originally by: Gamesguy
the suicide ganking is merely an isk farming activity.
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