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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:20:00 -
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Nano nerf means nano pilots actually have to risk their ships.
Insurance nerf means suicide gankers should not fly with what they cannot afford to lose.
The biggist carebears and cowards in eve are going to find eve a harsher place. Is eve becoming too harsh now for the cowardly player?
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Reven Cordelle
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:21:00 -
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Technically yeah, Eve is a cold and harsh world for those that hang around in Empire and prey on noobs. The guys rolling in low sec aren't going to even notice a difference.
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Kano Sekor
Amarr
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:28:00 -
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what are you talking about eve is a warm and fluffy place i just have to stay in safe high-sec i will never be ganked there unless i join a player corp or carry extremely valuable bpc:s in my suttle afk at jita.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:31:00 -
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We came to this game to PvP.
If you guys want to be fuzzy then perhaps LOTRO is a place to be?
Seriously, and all nonsense aside... getting insurance for ganking was probably wrong and I will agree.
It is bad enough that farmers call concord into the belts at every downtime and they sit there until the next downtime.
Is that balanced?
Is there risk when you have concord sitting there next to you?
If THAT is fixed then suicide ganking isk farmers will be much easier.
Also, admittedly more expensive.
The problem here is that it becomes more expensive for the ganker so it deters this, and thus making the farmer safe again.
Most gankings are isk farmer freighters and mackinaws in ice fields.
I don't see very many player ganks, TBH.
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Schalac
Caldari
Brotherhood of Wolves
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Kano Sekor
what are you talking about eve is a warm and fluffy place i just have to stay in safe high-sec i will never be ganked there unless i join a player corp or carry extremely valuable bpc:s in my suttle afk at jita.
I honestly have never don this before. BUT THIS. welcome to WOW, NOW WITH SPACESHIPS.
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Loyal Servant
We came to this game to PvP.
If you guys want to be fuzzy then perhaps LOTRO is a place to be?
Seriously, and all nonsense aside... getting insurance for ganking was probably wrong and I will agree.
It is bad enough that farmers call concord into the belts at every downtime and they sit there until the next downtime.
Is that balanced?
Is there risk when you have concord sitting there next to you?
If THAT is fixed then suicide ganking isk farmers will be much easier.
Also, admittedly more expensive.
The problem here is that it becomes more expensive for the ganker so it deters this, and thus making the farmer safe again.
Most gankings are isk farmer freighters and mackinaws in ice fields.
I don't see very many player ganks, TBH.
Hundreds of Mission runners got ganked, many of which use missions as a income source to do pvp. Triumvitate, Red Alliance, GOonfleet etc etc. All these guys gank anybody. They are not ganking farmers, they are doing whichhunts killing first then condemming a which afterwards.
Miners gettign ganked so how do they get income to do pvp?
You want everybody to do in 0.0 and cloak raven rat all over the place? 0.0 is full of isk farmers, no room there. In fact, 0.0 isk farmer is the real problem in eve because you cannot stop them. In eve you can stop high sec isk farmer.
So how do you expect the new player who wants to start pvping in FW or lowsec to fund his pvp eh?
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hall monitor
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Kano Sekor
what are you talking about eve is a warm and fluffy place i just have to stay in safe high-sec i will never be ganked there unless i join a player corp or carry extremely valuable bpc:s in my suttle afk at jita.
I honestly have never don this before. BUT THIS. welcome to WOW, NOW WITH SPACESHIPS.
No. With ambulation you get to pull down your spaceship and pull up your pants.
Kinda like that instruction packet on ass gaskets in bathrooms:
"First pull up dress, then pull down panties."
"First pull down battleship, then pull up pants."
Ambulation: Barbie EVE!
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Schalac
Originally by: Kano Sekor
what are you talking about eve is a warm and fluffy place i just have to stay in safe high-sec i will never be ganked there unless i join a player corp or carry extremely valuable bpc:s in my suttle afk at jita.
I honestly have never don this before. BUT THIS. welcome to WOW, NOW WITH SPACESHIPS.
i know right? i mean this game is totally becoming WoW, i dont think you should have to play in this half rate copy of such a great game
WoW is that way  go play the genuine thing
Your stuff?
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Samaritan Azuma
Gallente
Trans Eve Organization
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:36:00 -
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if the changes ever become too big of a deal, quit crying and take your 14 dollars elsewhere (.)
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Jacob Mei
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:39:00 -
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Pff, the simple fact of the matter is the players that engaged in ganking kept pushing the envelope and the developers responded. The individuals that are whining are now faced with the fact that their perfered actions will have consinquence and are once again being forced to play the way EvE was intended to be played, cold and harsh for ALL.
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Johann Jeneau
Gallente
Cricas Portuguese Korp
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:40:00 -
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I don't feel hard anymore playing this game...
And i never suicide ganked, nor do i fly nanos.
I make lots of money in high-sec with alts and stoped having blood pressure problems while pew pewing so i guess yeah, much safer to my health this current Eve version.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:42:00 -
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5% of the population who suicide gank: Increased Risk
75% of the population who ponce around in empire: Decreased Risk
Overall: Decreased Risk
I'm fine with the change, but that doesn't change the fact that the OP makes no sense.
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Slanty McGarglefist
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:45:00 -
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Originally by: Johann Jeneau
I don't feel hard anymore playing this game...
Might I recommend: 
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
5% of the population who suicide gank: Increased Risk
75% of the population who ponce around in empire: Decreased Risk
Overall: Decreased Risk
I'm fine with the change, but that doesn't change the fact that the OP makes no sense.
Incorrect.
Victims can still be ganked at any time. So the high sec population still will die exactly as quickly due to a suicide gank if a ganker opens fire.
So a Goon wanting to suicide his bs to kill a mackinhaw still can. Nothing stopping them. There is no deceared risk for him to open fire and kill the mack
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Johann Jeneau
Gallente
Cricas Portuguese Korp
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Posted - 2008.08.07 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Originally by: Johann Jeneau
I don't feel hard anymore playing this game...
Might I recommend:
nah, i have a gf for that, but i'm glad you saw what i did there
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Jenny' JoJo
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Slanty McGarglefist
Originally by: Johann Jeneau
I don't feel hard anymore playing this game...
Might I recommend:
Its about suicide Gankers, not suicide wan......
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny' JoJo
Originally by: Crumplecorn
5% of the population who suicide gank: Increased Risk
75% of the population who ponce around in empire: Decreased Risk
Overall: Decreased Risk
I'm fine with the change, but that doesn't change the fact that the OP makes no sense.
Incorrect.
Victims can still be ganked at any time. So the high sec population still will die exactly as quickly due to a suicide gank if a ganker opens fire.
So a Goon wanting to suicide his bs to kill a mackinhaw still can. Nothing stopping them. There is no deceared risk for him to open fire and kill the mack
Can be but won't be. Increasing risk for one side decreases it for the other, and the side with the decrease is far bigger.
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Unfunny Alt
Anonymous Forumposters
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
5% of the population who suicide gank: Increased Risk
75% of the population who ponce around in empire: Decreased Risk
Overall: Decreased Risk
you probably forgot that despide the outcry they made only 5% of those 75% ever where ganked. still i am not looking too happily at this change if the insurance is completly canceld. perhaps paying out only standard no matter how you insured the ship would be a nice alternative. not just thinking about suicide ganker but also new player making a mistake with ecm burst or smarties.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.07 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Unfunny Alt
you probably forgot that despide the outcry they made only 5% of those 75% ever where ganked. still i am not looking too happily at this change if the insurance is completly canceld.
The risk is reduced for everyone, not just for those who were actually ganked in the past.
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Unfunny Alt
Anonymous Forumposters
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Posted - 2008.08.07 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
The risk is reduced for everyone, not just for those who were actually ganked in the past.
i d say suicide ganking falls into three categories, for profit, for revenge and for shiney explosion. i can understand the first and second part pretty well and recognize the third part as a possible playstyle too though i can t understand it.
risk to be suicided for profit will be reduced. at least those cases that are now just profitable and with less insurance will stop being profitable. those with expansive stuff in a easily popped ship will still have the same high risk of being popped than before.
so the reduced risk effectivly affects somewhere between mine 4% and your 75%.
from a philosophical standpoint does the safety of the few outway the safety of the many?
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