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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 07/08/2008 22:22:28
First, I have to state that, up until the last couple of days, I was a fanboi of CCP. This has changed.
I started playing Eve in the fall of 2007. Not that long ago. Before then, I had tried several MMOs, including WoW, DDO, GW, and so forth. None of them held my interest - there was no excitement, no thrill.
And then I found Eve. I started out as a miner, busily carting ore to and from the station. I feared ore thieves and anyone in a frigate, and hurriedly scurried to the protection of the docking port whenever someone warped into my belt. I viewed ore thievery as the ultimate evil, and pirates as dark predators waiting in the wings to devour me.
And you know what? I loved it!
The sense of danger even in hi-sec addicted me to this game. You were never safe, never protected, and you had to be smarter, better, more competent.
Since then, I have survived war-decs, run approximately 5728 missions, ventured into low-sec and 0.0, and finally, left my carebear ways and became an Empire war-dec griefer. And I loved CCP for the dangerous and open game they gave us.
But now I see all of the things I loved as a carebear being taken away, all of the danger, all of the thrill, all of the interesting things...all because people are too downright stupid to protect themselves and their possessions in-game.They act like they are entitled to what they want.
I can always go to low-sec and 0.0 for PvP. That's not the issue. The problem is that CCP is behaving ham-fistedly with minor problems - a speed nerf was necessary, and a suicide ganking nerf was ok - but CCP have done their level best to destroy entire styles of play. And now with the news that they intend to nerf war-decs even further - well, it makes me a little sick inside.
It's their game, and they can do with it as they wish. But when I signed up, I signed up with their promise that it would be dangerous everywhere, that it would be interesting everywhere, that I would have to think everywhere.
I don't want World of Warcraft in space. I don't want to mine in safety. I don't want Empire space to be safe, or my level 4 salvage to be protected, or my corporation to be safe from war-decs. I want Eve to be as they promised it would be - dangerous everywhere.
But, I suppose all good things must end.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:26:00 -
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Oh boy, another one... 
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:29:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 07/08/2008 22:30:53
Not really. I honestly believe that both nerfs were technically needed (speed and suicide), but not to the extent that is intended now. And war-decs don't even need a nerf - they are so easy to get out of now, it's pathetic.
My problem is that CCP are taking all of the things I loved about Eve - as a carebear, and now as a pirate - out of it. I actually LIKED being in danger much of the time.
More importantly, CCP explicitly stated that the game policy was to create a dangerous atmosphere. But CCP is slowly removing non-consensual PvP, or making it much more difficult than it should be.
They can say that it's still possible all they want. The fact is that hi-sec is rapidly becoming more profitable AND more safe than any other area.
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Siberys
Gallente
Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:30:00 -
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I was a fanboi of A:TLA, but then they screwed up the finale. That changed. What's your point?
Believe me, I don't want WoW in space (You know how much the nano nerf screwed up my plans after I bought my Curse? No, you don't.) but it's easier to keep people playing if you appease them as much as possible.
I also agree that the CCP nerfbat is being used almost as much as the Bungie banhammer and the 40k Baneblade (Ha-ha) but it's called ADAPTATION. Your way of life is destroyed, you change or die. It's brutally like nature. So learn to change.
Great, highsec is the easiest place to live. Great, you can't blow the crap out of someone easily. You'll live. You just need to accept change.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:33:00 -
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Yeah. Sooner rather then later wardecs are going to end up with five pilots on both sides being teleported to a instance where they can do PvP, and then victors get victory points which they can in turn trade in for epic loots.... er, what?
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Vikarion
The fact is that hi-sec is rapidly becoming more profitable AND more safe than any other area.
Then spend all of your time in null-sec...easy.
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh
Originally by: Vikarion
The fact is that hi-sec is rapidly becoming more profitable AND more safe than any other area.
Then spend all of your time in null-sec...easy.
You are such a tool.
War, War never changes.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
NIght's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 07/08/2008 22:36:54
Originally by: Siberys
Great, highsec is the easiest place to live. Great, you can't blow the crap out of someone easily. You'll live. You just need to accept change.
Yeah, but having no more MMOs to play sucks. I joined up because of the atmosphere and the thrill of a universe where you can lose a lot, but on the other hand you can profit a lot from someone else's stupidity. That particular game is getting progressively killed.
I liked the danger which was preety much present everywhere.
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Granmethedon III
We are Legend
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:34:00 -
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You can say "adapt or die" as much as you want, as far as I'm concerned, this game is rapidly becoming broken, and turning into everything I hate about MMOs. "Adapt" from my point of view is rapidly becoming "look for a new game".
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:35:00 -
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you know, I've never really been a fan of the "adapt-or-die" argument. It's simply applied too widely:
1. I can't breathe underwater! -> adapt or die!
2. BoB is getting t2 BPOs from T20! -> adapt or die!
3. I get disconnected every 37 seconds! -> adapt or die!
Seriously, how can I die when I'm not even going to get to attack anyone in hi-sec? Hell, pretty soon they won't even let me self-destruct my ship. 
Yes, things change. I'm just grieving the slow death of a game and community I love.
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Baron Primus
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:37:00 -
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As if these clowns actually read any of these topics  
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Dante024781
Mercenary Evolution
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Granmethedon III
You can say "adapt or die" as much as you want, as far as I'm concerned, this game is rapidly becoming broken, and turning into everything I hate about MMOs. "Adapt" from my point of view is rapidly becoming "look for a new game".
I don't want your stuff.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:40:00 -
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Yeah, I know. The devs seem to only respond to roll-call and carebear threads now.  I feel abandoned. You'd think that they would at least tell us where they were going with all this, but it's like being on a runaway train to soft-pillow-land.
I understand now why some post insults about the devs, but it won't help. They have to be listening first.
At least we still have Chribba. 
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 07/08/2008 22:49:16
To echo some other posters, I'd like to ask why CCP won't post their "New and Improved" vision of Eve on a devblog sometime SOON. And not the (tm) kind of soon, either.
I'd like to know whether to continue with what I'm doing, move to low-sec/0.0, or just get the hell out of the game altogether.
And, BTW, sorry for making another whine post. I just feel kind of betrayed.
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Dante024781
Mercenary Evolution
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Edited by: Vikarion on 07/08/2008 22:49:16
To echo some other posters, I'd like to ask why CCP won't post their "New and Improved" vision of Eve on a devblog sometime SOON. And not the (tm) kind of soon, either.
I'd like to know whether to continue with what I'm doing, move to low-sec/0.0, or just get the hell out of the game altogether.
And, BTW, sorry for making another whine post. I just feel kind of betrayed.
I don't want your stuff either.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:52:00 -
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Don't worry, you aren't getting it. If I ever leave I'm going to either give it to corp-mates or melt it down.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:52:00 -
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Put all your stuff in an industrial and set a course through all of high-sec post patch and see, I do mean all of it, convert it all to high valuables, I want to see exactly how safe you are.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Granmethedon III
We are Legend
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dante024781
Originally by: Granmethedon III
You can say "adapt or die" as much as you want, as far as I'm concerned, this game is rapidly becoming broken, and turning into everything I hate about MMOs. "Adapt" from my point of view is rapidly becoming "look for a new game".
I don't want your stuff.
Will be on contract soon as I find the new cool game. ;)
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Quincunx
Minmatar
Subspace Anomaly
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:57:00 -
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nowai, a whine! 0/
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Yelan Zhou
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.07 22:57:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Put all your stuff in an industrial and set a course through all of high-sec post patch and see, I do mean all of it, convert it all to high valuables, I want to see exactly how safe you are.
Dont forget to name it BPO express.
War, War never changes.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Put all your stuff in an industrial and set a course through all of high-sec post patch and see, I do mean all of it, convert it all to high valuables, I want to see exactly how safe you are.
The problem, again, isn't that "this" patch, or "that" patch will make us unsafe. It's every patch seems to move us closer to the day when we aren't allowed to do anything except sit on our hands and be good little boys and girls.
And, BTW, I have put tons of valuable stuff in an indy. It's already nearly impossible to gank a smart hauler.
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: J Kunjeh
Oh boy, another one...
Post with your main.
Agreeing with the OP here.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:34:00 -
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How long until I get to call myself a "bitter old vet"?
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Takima Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:38:00 -
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Edited by: Takima Templar on 07/08/2008 23:40:33
Originally by: Vikarion
I don't want World of Warcraft in space. I don't want to mine in safety. I don't want Empire space to be safe, or my level 4 salvage to be protected, or my corporation to be safe from war-decs. I want Eve to be as they promised it would be - dangerous everywhere.
If you want EVE to be as dangerous as you think you want it, then on your arrivel in this game you would be pod-killed 25 times in a row in the newby zone, because hey!, there are people playing this game who can't get enough of that. See how you would fancy that.
There is nothing wrong with a higher sec zone, it's even logic story wise. And you can still get killed everywhere at anytime. The only thing that CCP is doing is finetuning, but due to lack of several reasons, some players go into insta-whine mode, and that's putting it friendly.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.07 23:43:00 -
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No insurance + higher sec status penalties + no real warfare + faster Concord response times is NOT "fine tuning" - it's changing the nature of hi-sec space to be much, much harder to inflict violence in.
Can you still kill someone? Yes. If you get your buddies together and only do it once a month and forget about trying to ransom or wardec.
Wow. How fun.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:05:00 -
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While reading the first post I started to hear a high pitched noise. At first I was afraid I was developing a sudden case of synaesthesia.
What I was actually hearing was the whine ...
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
While reading the first post I started to hear a high pitched noise. At first I was afraid I was developing a sudden case of synaesthesia.
What I was actually hearing was the whine ...
Sure, if you call a reasoned and non-inflammatory protest of the castration of your favorite game a whine, then sure. It's a whine.
Your point?
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
No insurance + higher sec status penalties + no real warfare + faster Concord response times is NOT "fine tuning" - it's changing the nature of hi-sec space to be much, much harder to inflict violence in.
Can you still kill someone? Yes. If you get your buddies together and only do it once a month and forget about trying to ransom or wardec.
Wow. How fun.
First. It's only logical pirating in high sec is much more difficult then in low sec.
Second, using the insurance system was not intended by CCP from the beginning concerning suicide ganking. The only thing you can blame them for is that they should have changed it earlier
Third, get creative. If anything EVE has shown that people who have brains (I know that's a though one for some) can come up with alot of 'gamebreaking' stuff.
Forth. You want more PvP in highsec? I would like to see that people who loot or salvage other players stuff get flashy red, for everybody, not just the person they steal from. Now that will be fun will it.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:17:00 -
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As I've said before, it's not that they are doing any one thing. It's that they keep doing a lot of little things. The critics of my post don't seem to get this.
But it's not just losing insurance when Concorded. It's losing insurance, and faster response times, and higher sec status penalties, and nerfing war-decs to oblivion.
And this isn't the first time. They got rid of Lofty, and quite a few other things. And every time they do, we get people on the forums telling us to "get over it", that CCP is simply "fine tuning" their game.
They aren't fine-tuning it. They are changing it, bit by bit, into something just like every other MMO out there - safe, stale, and bland.
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Xevan Templar
7th Batavian Squadron
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Xevan Templar on 08/08/2008 00:23:17
Dude, did you actualy read it yourself.
Quote:
often wars started without reason, simply to get random victims to gank and grief
It's not as how CCP intended wardecs, and since they are the one adding it to the system, they can finetune it to what is was ment for. Clearly, get a grip
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Federation Fleet
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:25:00 -
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Adding victory conditions so a war has a set of goals isn't nerfing them into oblivion. Those who want to use wardecs as they were intended will still be able to.
I'm actually looking forward to seeing how they're going to implement these victory conditions; the challenge isn't trivial. ISK damage inflicted, corp roster loss, number of ships destroyed, production reduced or eliminated? Could be quite interesting.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Xevan Templar
Edited by: Xevan Templar on 08/08/2008 00:23:17
Dude, did you actualy read it yourself.
Quote:
often wars started without reason, simply to get random victims to gank and grief
It's not as how CCP intended wardecs, and since they are the one adding it to the system, they can finetune it to what is was ment for. Clearly, get a grip
Yeah...only problem is, no one at CCP was saying things like this a year ago. A year ago, it was "tough toodles". Now it's "we'll change it".
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Acrel
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Acrel on 08/08/2008 00:34:23
How about completely removing concord and high sec all together? So now new players will experience PvP as soon as they undock for the 1st time or leave the starting area..
Eve has a hard enough time keeping new players due to progression/complexity of the game as it is, allowing low risk ganking in hi sec isn't going to help.. Doing these changes are not only logical and should have been done along time ago but also its the only way to keep Eve alive.. If you only cater to the vets they will quit eventually and you are left with nothing.
The reason I believe for these "nerfs" are not necessary CCP going soft but them actually adapting to whats going on.. The issues that are being changed(war dec, suicide ganking, high sec piracy, concord response time) in the past where happening less frequently but due to a increase in the player base they are happening more and more. Which if CCP sat around and decided not to change anything EvE would become a cluster **** of high sec ganking with little to no risk/reward and would destroy EvE eventually. Same thing would have happened to UO if they didnt add another zone(I didnt agree with UO adding the zone just using as a example).. UO was becoming a cesspool of spawn camping/griefing which would have ruined UO far sooner then adding Trammel(sp?).
Just my opinion and outlook on things.. TBH until CCP makes it so you cant target/attack other pilots in high-sec i dont see what all the *****ing is about, they are just increasing the risk/repercussions for breaking the law in high sec.
Flame on..
edit.. I realize i fail at using commas :(
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Jenna Shame
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
But now I see all of the things I loved as a carebear being taken away, all of the danger, all of the thrill, all of the interesting things...all because people are too downright stupid to protect themselves and their possessions in-game.They act like they are entitled to what they want.
I never griefed in empire, just not my style but it did make it interesting when I had expensive stuff to move and fun, I agree that carebearing is more fun when their is danger.
The problem is you can't fix stupid. I don't know why people are such idiots, but they are, its not like its hard to survive in empire, even if you are hauling around billions, but they are stupid and they die and they whine and they quit and CCP hears the sounds of one less payment in the till.
Sure you might quit, others may quit but stupid people outnumber smart ones, so while CCP may lose some people who have things like situational awareness and some brains, they make up for it with a horde people who can't figure out why they shouldn't move 200k mega in a t1 hauler.
Its not about a good game its about profit. The issue I see is that is short term profit, a good game keeps people a long time, but CCP is focused on the 'average' player that lasts only 6 months. They even posted this at some point in the last year or so. I think its foolish in the end, but tell that to their accounting people.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:41:00 -
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Again (BTW, Jenna, good points), I'm not arguing that we should eliminate hi-sec. In fact, if we are worried about new players, maybe all new players should be immune for 1 month if they are in hi-sec. I would mind that less than these changes. It's not an all-or-nothing deal, and CCP should not capitulate to whining from either side. But they should keep their word on what this game is supposed to be.
As for it discouraging new players...
Last night I was pirating in low-sec, and came across a trial player. Boom. I snagged him, blew him up, and podded him. Then, to add insult to injury, I convo'd him, and talked to him about the game.
Guess what? He just signed up today.
Now THAT is the kind of person we need in Eve.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr
Demonic Retribution
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:44:00 -
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Vikarion, I love you.
...in a very dark, deadly, purely non-sexual, unfriendly, opportunistically-violent-griefer kind of way.
Keep fighting the good, evil fight.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk
While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:47:00 -
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Thank you, Synapse. I shall try. 
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Acrel
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Posted - 2008.08.08 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Last night I was pirating in low-sec, and came across a trial player. Boom. I snagged him, blew him up, and podded him. Then, to add insult to injury, I convo'd him, and talked to him about the game.
Guess what? He just signed up today.
Now THAT is the kind of person we need in Eve.
I dont disagree need more like that but sadly those types are few and far between..
As for the 1 month immunity no matter what restrictions you put on that i can see that being exploited one way or another.
Now in my previous post iam not defending afk haulers or macro farmers by all means.. I just understand that there needs to be more of a consequence when it comes to high sec ganking..
Suicide Ganking - Win/Win for the ganker.. If they kill the ship they get the payload and a payout from insurance, If they fail and get concorded they get a insurance payout and dont lose much.
War Decs where being misused.. People where either A making a 1-2 man corp and war decing mostly Indy/Starter corps just for a easy gank.. Or larger corps where targeting ALOT smaller corps for easy ganks.
Actually now that i think about it I dont like the war dec change but eh still a example.
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Lightbriner
VTECHS
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:05:00 -
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You liked that Eve was hard, but feel that the changes to the war dec system "break" your style of play?
What is hard about bringing a Megathron to a Covetor fight? Under their proposed system, picking a fight might actually result in a fight, zomg!
As to suicide ganking..again, for most of us its not a concern. Not as carebears and not as aggressors. If you've ever had to escort a freighter/indy chain through nulsec during a war so that your miners can be paid, *then* you might understand what "hard" is.
All I see is a bunch of whining over the fact that existing mechanics are being updated to more accurately reflect their purpose. The writing was always on the wall from the day CCP said you were not supposed to survive as aggressor in high sec. That quite clearly said "You must suffer for thy crimes, sec hit isn't bad enough". Clever people figured out a way to recoupe 100% of their losses and still profit, with no slowdown in sec hit or ship loss. It was always going to be nerfed. You wouldn't remember sniper camps at lowsec gates. Changes to the pvp system predate your time in Eve, do not now complain that CCP has in any way behaved contrary to what they were when you arrived.
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Balrokenx
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:09:00 -
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/signed ccp is slowly turning this into wow in space and when that day comes I'll be leaving. Seriously if we wanted a pve happy land we would be playing wow not Eve.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.08 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Joss Sparq
While reading the first post I started to hear a high pitched noise. At first I was afraid I was developing a sudden case of synaesthesia.
What I was actually hearing was the whine ...
Sure, if you call a reasoned and non-inflammatory protest of the castration of your favorite game a whine, then sure. It's a whine.
Your point?
That you're whining. 
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Acrel
War Decs where being misused.. People where either A making a 1-2 man corp and war decing mostly Indy/Starter corps just for a easy gank.. Or larger corps where targeting ALOT smaller corps for easy ganks.
See, this is the problem: this is what I do. I like doing this. And, the thing is, 12 months ago CCP thought it was fine.
Now they are saying that I'm misusing the war-dec system. Great. I find something I enjoy doing, and they take it away from me, AFTER stating that it was part of their "vision" for Eve.
Oh, and before I became a griefer and a pirate, I was a carebear. And people did this to me. And guess what? I didn't lose a single ship, because I played INTELLIGENTLY!
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 02:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lightbriner
You liked that Eve was hard, but feel that the changes to the war dec system "break" your style of play?
What is hard about bringing a Megathron to a Covetor fight? Under their proposed system, picking a fight might actually result in a fight, zomg!
Odd as it may sound, I've never killed a Covetor. Why don't you look at my killboard.
Usually I'm fighting about 3-7 other players, because I'm a lone wolf most of the time. I lost ships, and I won battles, and I had fun. Some of my targets did, too. I even offered to teach a some people about PvP for free.
Now this looks like it is going to be taken away, along with any reasonable suicide ganking, and Minmatar viability.
BTW, I fly Amarr. I'm not whining just for myself - I truly want what is best for the game.
These changes are not what made Eve successful!
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Mu Yaling
Greatly Reducing Inflation Every Fight
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Posted - 2008.08.08 02:57:00 -
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Vikarion i wholeheartedly agree with you..
especially on the war dec changes.. why would we need bloody "victory conditions"
I, You, WE as war declarers set our OWN "victory conditions" i decide when i have won, you decide when you have won. it is not up to some random mechanic to decide
"oh noes teh enemeh haz lost 11 ships and th war haz bean on fur 4 dayz - End teh war"
this isnt an "adapt or die" these changes arent like that, they are simply detracting from the experience of eve.. and very quickly for me, and others "adapt or die" is unfortunately turning into "find another game AND quit"
Hopefully CCP realise that the greates tthing about eve is the we, the players feel ever so slightly in control of our own ingame actions. take that element of self imposed control away, and what is eve?
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Mu Yaling
Vikarion i wholeheartedly agree with you..
especially on the war dec changes.. why would we need bloody "victory conditions"
I, You, WE as war declarers set our OWN "victory conditions" i decide when i have won, you decide when you have won. it is not up to some random mechanic to decide
"oh noes teh enemeh haz lost 11 ships and th war haz bean on fur 4 dayz - End teh war"
this isnt an "adapt or die" these changes arent like that, they are simply detracting from the experience of eve.. and very quickly for me, and others "adapt or die" is unfortunately turning into "find another game AND quit"
Hopefully CCP realise that the greates tthing about eve is the we, the players feel ever so slightly in control of our own ingame actions. take that element of self imposed control away, and what is eve?
We aren't going to get that, though, because that has roughly the same end result as current wars - just less talking needed.
If I want someone out of my space right now, I simply convo them up and say "get out of XXXXX or I war-dec you".
No, these changes are all about making sure we can't fight anyone who doesn't want to fight. And that really sucks.
I'm gonna move out to 0.0 and rat so I can suicide everyone who thinks they are safe now. And no, I won't be confining it to "worthwhile" targets. Screw that.
To hell with the ISK, let's kill them all!
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Mu Yaling
Greatly Reducing Inflation Every Fight
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:30:00 -
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unfortunately i agree with you again.
and yes.. im thinking about targetting actual players in belts as much as i can over the next month :D
and im going to try to keep 4 active war decs against industrial corps open.. and better yet, they will be picked randomly from local chats in 1.0 systems! while i still have the oppurtunity.
i mean, ive never actually initiated a war dec for no purpose other than to grief, so it should be fun! i mean, apparently it happens so much it needs a nerf! lets use it while we got it
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:33:00 -
[47]
It is fun. Check out my articles in Eve Tribune for some advice (the Griefer ones)
Eve Tribune
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Mu Yaling
Greatly Reducing Inflation Every Fight
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:35:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Vikarion
It is fun. Check out my articles in Eve Tribune for some advice (the Griefer ones)
Eve Tribune
mmhm, i usually have a reason to declare war on industrial type folks.. i.e i flip their cans and they refuse to flip back... which offends me..
"i offer you gift and you do not accept? do you not like my gifts?"
WAR DEC. cue 2 weeks of whining (1 week is never enough) and a few hulk kills
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:37:00 -
[49]
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I'm actually looking forward to seeing how they're going to implement these victory conditions; the challenge isn't trivial. ISK damage inflicted, corp roster loss, number of ships destroyed, production reduced or eliminated? Could be quite interesting.
Me too, but for a different reason. I'm (wildly) hoping that this paves the way for in-game data keeping, KB's in other words.
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Mu Yaling
Greatly Reducing Inflation Every Fight
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:43:00 -
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mmhm..
i have a really nicely trained rifter alt.. and 130 fitted rifters dotted about the place... mmhm.. i feel a grief spree starting!
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Vikarion
Caldari
Onyx Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:44:00 -
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YEEEAAAAARRRRR!
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.08 03:57:00 -
[52]
CCP ....
[long paragraph of reasons why this game is starting to turn into "Let's all gather around the tree and hold people's hands" game. here]
As much as I love this game... ccp has just been incredibly disappointing in the recent months ^^
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Mu Yaling
Greatly Reducing Inflation Every Fight
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Posted - 2008.08.08 04:01:00 -
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mmhm, unfortunately so..
ive been a full on ccp fanboi for 3 years, been happy with rebalances/nerfs/changes etc
but when the core principals of the game you love get uprooted and transformed into something else, something shiney and mainstream.. it just ****es you off..
last week i tried to convince a friend to join eve..
last night he'd downloaded it and asked what i reccomended him to train.. to be honest.. i didnt know what to say to him.. how can a game that takes so long to really get into be going through so many ham fisted changes so quickly.
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