Originally by: Waxau

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Who cares if a bomber cant warp cloaked...they cost 10 mil, and are easy to skill for. A Black Ops is not.

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Originally by: Sral TBear

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Edited by: Sral TBear on 20/08/2008 09:25:23
Sin / widow pilot here

Covert ops cloak, would love it, but not sure its a "must" the only problem i realy have is cargo space.

Maby the trick would be to have two classes, like the recons

1 force recon BS (jump portal, logistic class cyno beast)

1 Combat recon BS (Covert cloak short jump range ability to be jumped in by the force recon one)

I hope ccp can se the posibilitys in this, this way deep penetration attack would be posible (werry hard to do right now)

This would open up an entirely new branch of combat fleets and would open the battlefields alot more. Even small specialised corporations and alliances would then have a chance to be able to hit hard without having all pilots in cap ships.

The above i think would be the best.

This way you need to use both classes, use logistics to be effective...

TBear

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Originally by: Captator

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Originally by: Sral TBear

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Edited by: Sral TBear on 20/08/2008 09:25:23
Sin / widow pilot here

Covert ops cloak, would love it, but not sure its a "must" the only problem i realy have is cargo space.

Maby the trick would be to have two classes, like the recons

1 force recon BS (jump portal, logistic class cyno beast)

1 Combat recon BS (Covert cloak short jump range ability to be jumped in by the force recon one)

I hope ccp can se the posibilitys in this, this way deep penetration attack would be posible (werry hard to do right now)

This would open up an entirely new branch of combat fleets and would open the battlefields alot more. Even small specialised corporations and alliances would then have a chance to be able to hit hard without having all pilots in cap ships.

The above i think would be the best.

This way you need to use both classes, use logistics to be effective...

TBear

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That would turn them into jumping large recons - BOOOOOOOOOOOOORING.

Find a different way of differentiating them, either like I have mentioned one focussed on racial ewar and one focussed on racial damage (both with covops cloak), or perhaps one trades damage/ewar bonuses for greater jumprange/lower fuel cost or somemthing, and the other has higher damage/ewar (both still with covops cloak), but is not as good at moving allied covops around.

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Originally by: Sral TBear

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Originally by: Captator

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That would turn them into jumping large recons - BOOOOOOOOOOOOORING.

Find a different way of differentiating them, either like I have mentioned one focussed on racial ewar and one focussed on racial damage (both with covops cloak), or perhaps one trades damage/ewar bonuses for greater jumprange/lower fuel cost or somemthing, and the other has higher damage/ewar (both still with covops cloak), but is not as good at moving allied ships around.

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Think the difference that you want combat stealth ships, and i want a more "logistic" minded type. Maby your right just giant recons, but i can live with that when you have covert cynos and jump portal. Bigger hulls to take bigger modules. I stand my ground..

1 force "black ops" (logistic)

1 Combat "black ops" (combat)

adding a new type of pwn mobile hit in the future by the nerfbat whiners dream like your ideas...

Booooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiing

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Originally by: Captator

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Originally by: Sral TBear

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Originally by: Captator

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That would turn them into jumping large recons - BOOOOOOOOOOOOORING.

Find a different way of differentiating them, either like I have mentioned one focussed on racial ewar and one focussed on racial damage (both with covops cloak), or perhaps one trades damage/ewar bonuses for greater jumprange/lower fuel cost or somemthing, and the other has higher damage/ewar (both still with covops cloak), but is not as good at moving allied ships around.

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Think the difference that you want combat stealth ships, and i want a more "logistic" minded type. Maby your right just giant recons, but i can live with that when you have covert cynos and jump portal. Bigger hulls to take bigger modules. I stand my ground..

1 force "black ops" (logistic)

1 Combat "black ops" (combat)

adding a new type of pwn mobile hit in the future by the nerfbat whiners dream like your ideas...

Booooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiing

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Bolded the part where I suggested what you just said should be instated instead of my first suggestion.

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Originally by: Sral TBear

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im cool, hope you are to ;)

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Originally by: thoth rothschild

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Edited by: thoth rothschild on 09/08/2008 06:44:41
Edited by: thoth rothschild on 08/08/2008 21:33:11
Well,

currently speed reduction is tested on Sissi and most of the Players complain that there is no more chance in small "Gangwars" and the game gets more boring.
Most of the players would say a cov. Ops would be to powerfull on the Black Ops ships but for me this is a chance to keep some aspects of the game exiting.

For me this ships role is to be a mobile cloaked portal. It needs no combat utility beside that. I like it to do it¦s currently not existing role perfect.

make the ships

* more vulnerable
* less slots
* less boni

but in the opposite give them

* cov ops cloaking
* much bigger cargo bay
* increased jump range

and you will keep the Gang war alive :D

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Black ops need HUGE sensor resolution increase. Because otherwise while usign the cloak they simply are too slow lockign to lock anything they can kill (BC, HACs) and too weak to kill anythign they can lock ( T1 BSs, Marauders etc...). I would say 50% increase.

And somethign that they share with marauders.. they need extra slots! They are both too weak to be T2 battleships! 300 to 800 mil isk that are no match for a 50 mil armageddon.

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Originally by: Tyler Rainez

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I see the BO's lacking in what they were designed to do...go behind enemy lines. There are 2 things lacking, first it should be able to jump into a cyno jammed system. It really can't go behind enemy lines if can't do this. Second, use less fuel to cyno jump or increase the cargo bay, or make a seperated bay for jump fuel. Those 2 would make it what is was designed to do. And a hopeful third is allowing a covert cloaking device II to be used. Otherwise they are perfect. Not an uber DPS machine, but a stealthy deadly machine that can infiltrate a system and make 0.0 what it's supposed to be .... unsafe.

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