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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:34:00 -
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Sounds like someone is afraid of losing his unstoppable card... Especially as CCP is plugging the loophole of risk free hisec ganking...
Astounding how much hostility towards a simple timer this forum generates.. If you are too lazy to get off your fat lazy ass to change direction with a simple double click every 30 mins.. Then you need serious physical training in my view..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:47:00 -
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There needs to not be anything complicated. A simple measure to defeat those who decide to keep their clients cloaked all night with no interaction will do fine...
Again if you are too lazy to change direction every 30 mins then you have serious problems..
There are more pressing issues.. However this one has a simple fix... Its those who fear for their abilities to be invincible all night long that are moaning about people proposing changes...
Take your pick.. Timer to move or allow cloakers to eventually be probed down... I suspect you will find a simple timer to be much preferable... And seeing as CCP will more than likely eventually do something about it (As they are doing with the risk free hisec ganks)...
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:53:00 -
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Saying you ought to be able to permacloak with no interaction because of RL crap is beyond funny...
Whats next? Miners get to activate the "Special Shield" that has full resists when they need to take a break?
Ah the ole "What about dinner, school, RL" trick... What a silly excuse for being able to go to sleep knowing that you will NEVER be ganked as long as you are online...
Sorry, It aint flying, That little "feature" has hopefully been noticed by CCP by now and marked for "correction" .. How do I know this? From the hisec gankers that told me CCP would never end their insanely profitable and unblanced activity because they had some of "right" to risk free kills..
Cant double click to a new direction every 30 mins? Log off.. Cant deal with that? Don't go cloaking in zero sec... Learn to live with the risks of being in hostile territory like the rest of us..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Surreptitious Why dont you just demand that CCP deposits isk directly into your account weak-ass cry baby.
Your bad at videogames.
And because your whine was so epic I have already hit the locator agent and will be flying a covy-alt out to afk cloak in your system(s) tonight. I wont even bother spending time trying to gank anyone else but you.
Where have I heard this before... Let me try to put my finger on it.. AH the hisec pirates attacking those who dared say their risk free activity was unbalanced...
Hmm I seem to remember CCP thinking otherwise. They did not buy the "Right to gank" argument and they will not buy this "Right to AFK Cloak" arguement..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:09:00 -
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Thats the problem you have no risks...
You don't have to organize a roaming gang.. Fit ships wait for stragglers and do communication..
Need I go on?
You can't be probed.. You can't be found.. And you call us whiners for exposing you?
The simple fact is anything that is risk free and allows you to walk away from you keyboard with almost perfect safety while having an actual effect is wrong... Period.. Same goes for AFK miners...
Again I will say that if RL does not give you enough time to do zero sec operations DONT DO IT! If you cant get off your ass to double click in a new direction even.. Don't play EVE..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:16:00 -
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The way it needs to be
Cloaker spends hours finding a good target to hit jinking now and again to prevent decloaking attempts (The timer) Does this until he gets bored and then either finds a way to escape or log... Thus risk
The way it currently is..
Cloaker gets into system.. Builds safespot.. AFKs for half a day.. Gets to live life and when he is good and ready he may come back to eve to get his daily risk free kill or two.. Then AFK to go to sleep.. ONLY risk being during the attack if the enemy is willing to keep cloaked ships around all craft 24/7 which no alliance can reasonably do.. But could do if they were assured that cloaker was actually active...
So currently there is next to no reasonable risk..
Call it a whine but dont expect any mercy when you start whining when CCP nerfs the cloaks.. Most are asking for a timer.. But cloaks are so overpowered that I will not be surprised if they added fuel..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:43:00 -
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Stop posting.. Aint that nice.. The cloakers realizing the potential for changes going to the usual tactics...
As for no local, No covops show in local or whatever... I am not CCP so I have no idea what they will do with that. But it is still a gate activation to get in and still a decloak to log off so there is ways to balance that trick..
It is going to be funny when CCP decides for a double whammy by adding fuel requirements.. Like they did with the hisec ganking issue..
Seeing as cloakers seem more willing to viciously defend their unbalanced gameplay than accept small changes meant to reduce AFK activity.. I think it is quite reasonable for CCP to go as far as to add substantial fuel requirements.. |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 17:59:51 We did not ask for a cloak nerf we asked for an AFK timer.. Its the inability to accept that small change that will likely end up with yall having to deal with fuel for your cloakers..
But do go on claiming Cloak is balanced.. Im sure CCP will be quite interested in those statements as they were about the hisec gankers having a "right" to kill without risk..
Can't devote the time to double click every 30 mins? Don't cloak in zerosec...Accept your part of the risks of 00 life like everyone else.. If you are dedicated enough.. You will still get lots of kills.
Cloaking is way unbalanced and I do feel even a fuel mod is warranted.. However.. For now I think it is reasonable just to ask for an AFK timer and ask for the other major issues be fixed well first..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Glach Duwat Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 18:08:28
Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 17:59:51 We did not ask for a cloak nerf we asked for an AFK timer.. Its the inability to accept that small change that will likely end up with yall having to deal with fuel for your cloakers..
But do go on claiming Cloak is balanced.. Im sure CCP will be quite interested in those statements as they were about the hisec gankers having a "right" to kill without risk..
Can't devote the time to double click every 30 mins? Don't cloak in zerosec...Accept your part of the risks of 00 life like everyone else.. If you are dedicated enough.. You will still get lots of kills.
Cloaking is way unbalanced and I do feel even a fuel mod is warranted.. However.. For now I think it is reasonable just to ask for an AFK timer and ask for the other major issues be fixed well first..
HOW IS A CLOAKING RECON KILLING WITHOUT RISK?!
you know what? you have to be troll. you can't be serious. That's how stupid you sound.
And how is making it fuel dependent NOT nerfing it? When I run out of Fuel I'm boned? what about extended trips through low sec, and 0.0. It basically makes Warping cloaked a waste of fuel, and then why bother flying a recon or cov ops?
the whole argument is stupid. There is one issue with cloaking, and thats the fact that people don't like hostiles in their system that they can't see.
Again I find a simple timer is fine. But I am saying that with the way they are overpowered I would "like" a fuel requirement. Especially seeing as the same attitude as those who saw their hisec risk free profits get exposed is shown here.
Its called a middle ground. I would like required fuel but that would require a bigger rebalancing overall.. So the middle ground is an AFK timer..
However if yall just continue to stonewall it. Do not expect any holding back when yall whine when CCP says "Screwit" and goes for fuel requirements to kill bunches of birds with one stone.. Like they did with the double whammy hisec concord changes.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 18:20:31
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler What they ask is quite reasonable. A clock which requieres the player to click each 15 min or so would be enough for now.
It isn't broken, it doesn't need a fix. The timer is stupid.
Recons have shit DPS, and for the most part shit tanking ESPECIALLY after the speed nerf, and arazu's already took a hit with the RSD nerf. the Pilgrim got boned from the Nos nerf, the rapier is about to have it's webs nerfed. The Falcon is the only one that isn't totally screwed, but it has shit DPS, and does it's job from ridiculous distance where it can't tackle.
Now you want to make them even worse by adding a fuel bay, or making them fruitlessly click in space?
uggha. Not necessary.
The only thing I Can POSSIBLY understand is the Ganking combat ships need to not be able to perma-cloak. It devalues the recon because it can perma-cloak.
Fruitlessly click? You mean double clicking every 15 mins is fruitless when you get a kill?
LOL
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
Finally! Someone who gets it..
Accept a little change or CCP will find an excuse to swing the nerfbat..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
If that is what you want.. Sure... Across the board is fine...
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:31:00 -
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Wow I must be someone quite important to actually have my history searched.
Don't you wish I held the same view.. Too bad..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
OMFG... Knowing whether they are or not... is NOT the issue. Being afk cloaked IS the issue. People do it... to afk in a system all day affecting and impacting the play styles of many if absurd. I'm not afraid of cloakers, I don't care what they do... I'm all for recons causing havoc in enemy systems... but I'm not for people walking away and achieving the same thing they can if they actually played. That is a huge flaw. It doesn't matter what is achieved... it matters HOW it is achieved.
Bingo!
As for AFK for the other stuff..
If you are in the middle of space and you dont move.. You are afk..
If you are sitting in a cloak while taking a bath and then having a big meal afterwards while your targets are having to organize ops.. You are afk
If you sit in ship with a single beam on a roid that never changes targets.. You are afk..
Not exactly that hard.. Except for those desperate to keep their ill gotten gains..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Pithecanthropus the real argument has value and debate.
Thats just it, it doesn't have debate, or value, the mechanics are WORKING AS INTENDED (shocking i know).
Good to know that you support all your arguments with baseless name calling, and tons of personal opinion based off that name calling though.
They are not working as intended as it allows for no risk AFK period.. Not even hisec carebears can claim that ability..
But those who are desperate to keep this easy mode (Like those before yall who viciously attacked those who dared oppose the then system of no risk hisec ganking) are trying the usual tricks The calling of those who dare go against the norm whiners, telling them to leave EVE.. etc...
It diddn't work then and it wont work now..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue.
I do see both sides. I do have a clue.
However, I think that people are blowing this way out of proportion. You don't like it because it frustrates you. It's SUPPOSED to frustrate you.
Staying in a system permanently cloaked is a tactic. The tactic is working. You don't like the tactic and want to see it removed. The only way you could possibly get that to happen is by trying to argue that it is invalid, but the arguments are weak - really weak - to the point of being comedy.
A cloaked ship in your system can't do a damn thing if the pilot is AFK. Sometimes, he will not be AFK - he will be hunting people down in your system. When that happens, it is YOUR job (and that of the alliance who control the system) to hunt him down and destroy him.
If one loan cloaker in your system makes your system uninhabitable, then you are simply WEAK. Complaining to CCP makes you look EVEN WEAKER.
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sophia Esperanza lol, Cloakers win.
You know what ELSE i realized?
99% of This thread is Trolling and Flaming.
Epic...Epic...
How about a real response instead of the usual responses we saw during the discussion about hisec ganking..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Zachstar
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
The only difference between them logging off and them cloaking is your paranoia. You don't think to yourself, "THIS GUY IS LOGGED OFF, WHAT HAPPENS IF HE LOGS ON?!?!?"
Fact is while AFK they can't do anything, while at the computer they are just a regular player. If they are cloaked they can't follow you. So go to a different system, stop being a lazy bastard that you can't rat in your 20 man station system where no one will help you if you do get tackled anyway.
Funny calling me a lazy bastard when I have to organize ops when you can go take a shower..
Sorry very poor excuse for being able to do something while taking a nap.. Going to the movies or doing whatever you want..
If you cant sit at your computer doing the same thing you do not need to be in zero sec or even logged into EVE in my view..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Zachstar This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
"If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride"
Nice horse .
As was the changes to hisec ganking..
Oh wait...
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:03:00 -
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If you are surprised this thread is still going then why the long response? Maybe because there is a conversation to be had despite those who would rather bury it in insults of "Whiner" "Weak" "Make your Alliance look stupidz" or whatever...
I do support fuel for dedicated warp cloak ships but I do realize how that requires a greater rebalance and lots of work compared to an AFK timer...
If you think complaining that a person can take a shower, do whatever away from EVE in perfect safety while having an effect is worthless? Then surely you are wasting your time here no? If CCP will never consider it that is..
Tho I have confidence that CCP will understand the unbalanced advantage that gives and will respond in a way that will allow cloakers to still keep their tactical advantage yet remove the advantage for those who are abusing it for perfect safety AFK..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Callib Gor'Karrithe There's a pretty simple solution to this. We all need to go to the nearest locator agent and hunt down the OP. Then, collectively, we will ALL sit in his space, cloaked and AFK.
They're just lonely and trying to encourage more of the same activity... they're just not too good at asking about it.
That's really what this is all about, isn't it? You're just lonely. Dont' worry. We'll all help you out!!
:: heads off to the nearest locator to begin his work ::
Great way to encourage people to post with their main eh?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:16:00 -
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Absolutely hilarious that people are telling noncloakers to learn to live in 00 when they don't want to learn to double click every 10-30 mins... And learn to actually be on the computer instead of taking a shower and going to sleep.. While they have perfect safety while having an effect..
It was like when the hisec gankers told people to tank for their 10-20 blaster batships that they always could afford to lose because standings were easy to get and there way always insurance to make the kill extremely profitable..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 15/08/2008 18:40:33
Originally by: Empyre i can't believe i'm about to post this as i absolutely hate the ease of playability the role of an afk cloaker has versus almost any other role in eve. God i can't believe i'm about to say this..
but you can counter it. you just need presence and security. think about it this way. if you had a company with a staff that only worked 8 hours a day, you built a building in a bad area and filled it full of capital assets, would you leave the doors unlocked when you aren't there simply because you don't agree with illegal tactics of thieves and burglars? i think not.
now afk cloaking isn't illegal (yet, hopefully) but the same theory can be applied here. make sure that you have enough people in your corp to cover all the time zones of the people who need protected. otherwise, this stuff will happen.
if your corp doesn't have people in employ that will pvp to protect you while you want to rat/mine then convince them to hire some or find another corp. because dissent will eventually tear the unprotected people from the ranks, and maybe even the rest that follow. and this is what afk cloakers hope for.. the ultimate grief.
And they get it for free.. I am perfectly fine with a cloaker watching the results of him hanging around and changing direction "Jinking".
The problem is not about that.. Its the fact that he can do with with absolutely no effort once he is in.. He can go take a bath.. Go to the movies.. Go to sleep.. Whatever with perfect safety..
I will admit tho that the BIGGEST problem comes from cloaker fleets.. And I am glad it seems it is being noticed and dealt with.. So don't think I am just targeting the covops guys..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 22:35:00 -
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Originally by: Machelli Something terribly amusing to think of: If (when) they ever decide to do away with local then AFK cloaking will no longer be an issue... you won't even know they're there, just as if they had logged off...
Except for the gate letting everyone know a Covops entered system..
You think local is just going to go away?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Countering an AFK cloaker is simple: Fly in a ship that carries a point (yes, even a hulk can do this) Be ganged with other active pilots in system (so they can come to your aid) Be aligned when ratting/mining Warp out if a red/neut shows up on overview.
The mechanic is not broken. The perception of people who don't like it is.
I have no problem doing that if all of us involved can be reassured there is actually a human being behind the other computer. Can you comprehend that? If you are there anyway, you should have no reason why you would be against a cloaking change to insure this. Right?
Would you fish in a lake if it was empty?
Before you know it they will be saying they have the right to use Macros and hacks...
Its silly how hostile people get when you go against their unbalanced style of play.. Or taking a shower.. Or going to sleep while the computer burns power..
Just like the hisec gankers..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.16 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Soul Redemption s
ay what?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.16 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Laila Eldgorn There could be afk timer which logs you out after being cloaked and afk for x minutes/hours. However, cloak is vital equipment for those who're not part of decreasing number of naptrains.
Why make it so complicated? A simple 15 mins of no activity means deactivation of modules time will do quite fine..
No need to turn this into the double whammy the hisec gankers got when they could not accept that Insurance for Concord kills was wrong..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 10:47:00 -
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"Look! I am 100 percent safe!" button that is an excellent description for this current system without an AFK timer..
CCP the solution is quite simple and can easily branch out to other AFK problems.. A timer.. Some say 10 mins some say 15 I say 25 but the simple matter is.. If a person can be completely safe while having an effect away from the keyboard at ANY skill it is wrong.. The only "safe afk" place needs to be docked..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 13:34:00 -
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It it not too simple.. If you cant sit on the computer while logged in you have no business being in hostile territory..
We aint asking for "Play follow the leader or we think you are a marco and turn off your cloak and disable your shields"
A simple "Hey buddy you taking a shower after 25 mins of being cloaked?" Looks like its time to turn off the cloak module..
How to prevent this? When the box comes up telling you to indicate you are active (Changing direction) or you will decloak.. You do it.. You stay on the computer.. You do not get a "100 percent safety while I sleep" button.. And the game is more balanced..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sral TBear i will say what i have said since 2005....
Make cloaks use fuel and dedicatet cloakers less fuel...siiiimple
Well covops and force recon really have an argument for being without fuel costs.. Mainly due to the fact that someone may need to do long stays in hostile territory..
So thats why a simple AFK timer is much better for them.. It allows the real players who actually want to do something to continue to be without fuel needs while the people who revel in their unbalanced ability to go to sleep or go to the movies while being 100 percent safe undocked will finally have to actually work.. Even if it is a simple double click every 25 mins..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 15:12:55 I can see how AFK in a pos can be annoying.. And yes it is a bit silly as well.. But atleast it has a really good solution..
Blow up the pos
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 18:33:29 Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 18:31:39 I have never been killed by a cloaked ganker
I have lost zero to cloaked gankers..
My points are based on principle and for those who have to endure such nonsence..
So before you declare I am some kind of inexperienced idiot for going against something that does not affect me.. Keep in mind the response on if I had (Defend your stuff better foo! go back to empire crybaby etc...) So I could care less..
Especially when the fix is so simple.. A timer
BTW a quote like that when I made no such post is libel..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 19:58:27
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 17/08/2008 19:19:15
Originally by: Zachstar BTW a quote like that when I made no such post is libel..
My solicitors can be located at Olswang in London. CCP can provide you with my personal details when presented with an appropriate court order, and, just so we're clear:
I think you obviously have a limited mental capacity based on your posts in this thread and would recommend, rather than seeking legal advice, you seek the help of a mental health institution.
Edit: Looks like I am hitting quite a few nerves here.. Sounds like a find just like the hisec gankers based on the responses I have been getting in this thread I will only laugh when CCP decides to nerf covops with fuel requirements or cooldown times like they did with standings AS WELL as cutting out insurance for concord kills..
As for you opinion on my state of mental health. I am glad that is your view. And I am glad that it is not true.. Now back to the topic please?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 20:18:00 -
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That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. Rather than "Come to it" later with a much more heavy handed approach..
We did not really ask for much standing change for the Hisec gankers.. We wanted removal of insurance for their unlawful ganks.. Yet they got both.. Therefore it can also happen here..
Instead of an AFK timer to get at the abusers.. They may do somthing that will harm those who use it legit purposes.. Don't think a cooldown timer or fuel for even covops is out of the question.. They have done MUCH MUCH MUCH larger nerfs before..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Space Wanderer Remove local.
Problem solved.
There is no such thing as "Remove Local" Local is intel that is just not going to be thrown away without some sort of replacement..
Besides that does not solve the problem of AFKness..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: The Wounded lock the topic, problem solved
Don't quote the hisec gankers character by character..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 11:44:00 -
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If you have something against local.. Put it in a new topic along with the thousands that have come and gone since day one on the local issue.. I will be happy to debate you there about solutions..
Is this logic of yours 2 wrongs make a right?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xipheas
Originally by: Zachstar I can see how AFK in a pos can be annoying.. And yes it is a bit silly as well.. But atleast it has a really good solution.. Blow up the pos
Which would require teamwork with your alliance mates ... owait, isn't that the same concept that many people are suggesting to combat the afk cloaker?
I agree that cloakers keeping complexes open is broken, but my view is that it should be classed as an exploit, and should be dealt with as such by the GM's. If pos bowling can be confirmed as an exploit then dealt with by petition and investigation, I don't see how the complex issue needs to be treated any differently.
Because the issue to AFK cloaking for plexes and AFK cloaking for action against enemies has a simple fix without the need to involve GMs every time it is discovered..
A 25 min AFK timer is simple, effective, and keeps from nerfing the primary mission of the Cloaked Recon craft which is intelligence gathering..
It's the hostility to this that could end up with CCP going with a more heavy handed approach in my view.. Just like the hisec gankers..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tempest Kane Local is only an intell tool due to the lack of any better option , CCP could easily be a bit more creative in the way we examine our enviroment.
Regards the OP: LOL. Mission Success.
If your been brung to a halt by 1 guy you need to return to empire.
I agree if he was not AFK. If a guy who was dedicated managed to passively disrupt operations like that, awesome..
That aint the problem.. Being able to take a shower or go to the movies while doing it that is..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alt altski To idiots who cant counter ONE afk cloaker -
Stop whining , rat in pvp setups AND/OR rat in groups.
Its not very hard .... you know using your 10 friends in local who are also ratting to help straight away instead of running and docking when you cry for help.
Anyway most recons cant solo ratting bs nowadays, and if its something other than a recon afk cloaking just always be aligned ....
Theres a 3 second locking delay for recons to catch you and its alot longer for other ships ... if your aligned they cant catch you .. unless you go afk that is.
Hostility will not get you any further then it did the hisec gankers..
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Zachstar
Hostility will not get you any further then it did the hisec gankers..
There you go AGAIN! You think that making statements about NULL SEC AFK CLOAKERS and HIGH SEC GANKERS in the same post will cause people to associate the two?
You think that CCP will look at your posts and think "Hell! AFK cloaking is the same as fully insured high-sec ganking?"
You're not a troll, you're a *****.
Oh but it is!
When we mentioned the risk free hisec ganking going on we got bombarded with hostility... Just as what is going on now..
I dont care what sec it is.. It is the same hostilely as then and thus the situation is the same the "Call the opposing group carebears, noobs, trolls, whatever enough and CCP will go away" mentality..
It did not work then and it won't work now..
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 18/08/2008 18:12:45
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Alt altski stuff...
Hostility will not get you any further then it did the hisec gankers..
Asking straight questions doesn't seem to get me anywhere with you either.
I now believe you to be, no more than a troll. You're intent on avoiding certain questions, seemingly because you don't like the answers.
It quite obvious, why people are not taking you seriously.
I choose not to answer your question because either I already had in other posts or I just did not feel like it.. Your hostility is not helping you..
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 18/08/2008 18:30:07
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pan Dora
Originally by: Zachstar That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. Rather than "Come to it" later with a much more heavy handed approach..We did not really ask for much standing change for the Hisec gankers.. We wanted removal of insurance for their unlawful ganks.. Yet they got both.. Therefore it can also happen here..
Instead of an AFK timer to get at the abusers.. They may do somthing that will harm those who use it legit purposes.. Don't think a cooldown timer or fuel for even covops is out of the question.. They have done MUCH MUCH MUCH larger nerfs before..
Can you please point us to your source of information about this concerns CCP suposely have?
^^This. Link the source of the CCP concerns about the cloak issue.
I would really like to know.
What source? Do you mean where CCP is double nerfing Hisec ganking? http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=577
As for CCP concerns I meant that if CCP has identified it as an issue by now (Which I believe they have) Then that means they may take a heavy handed approach to this.
Therefore I am trying to get CCP to get for the simple solution..
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:38:00 -
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Right.. Hopefully a future AFK timer change will insure to everyone that it is an active stalker.. Thus the baits.. |
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:48:00 -
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So if I am such a **** and CCP will supposedly bypass this because I am such a **** then the hostily is for what? Helping your cause?
I NEVER implied I had any direct line to CCP my words were of my constant mentioning of the AFK timer when I could be asking for fuel or automatic decloak or whatever.. |
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Farrqua That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. ..
This is implying you have knowledge of or in contact with CCP. You are alluding to fact you have some kind of pull to directly affect the changes.
If that is how you take it then I will correct myself and say that I have no line outside of this public forum or any additional pull. |
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