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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 18:20:31
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler What they ask is quite reasonable. A clock which requieres the player to click each 15 min or so would be enough for now.
It isn't broken, it doesn't need a fix. The timer is stupid.
Recons have shit DPS, and for the most part shit tanking ESPECIALLY after the speed nerf, and arazu's already took a hit with the RSD nerf. the Pilgrim got boned from the Nos nerf, the rapier is about to have it's webs nerfed. The Falcon is the only one that isn't totally screwed, but it has shit DPS, and does it's job from ridiculous distance where it can't tackle.
Now you want to make them even worse by adding a fuel bay, or making them fruitlessly click in space?
uggha. Not necessary.
The only thing I Can POSSIBLY understand is the Ganking combat ships need to not be able to perma-cloak. It devalues the recon because it can perma-cloak.
Fruitlessly click? You mean double clicking every 15 mins is fruitless when you get a kill?
LOL
Suicide Ganking haulers, which have next to no defensive capabilities, is a shit ton different then a Recon trying to take down a ratter. Seriously.
There is a CRAP ton of risk involved in that. As someone who has done this shit against other alliances and seen how competent pilots react to it, you're being unreasonable.
AFK CLOAKING IS NOT RISK FREE KILLING. You're and idiot if you think otherwise.
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Sarin Adler
Caldari Saturn Ammo
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:31:00 -
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Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:33:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Glach Duwat Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 18:08:28
Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 17:59:51 We did not ask for a cloak nerf we asked for an AFK timer.. Its the inability to accept that small change that will likely end up with yall having to deal with fuel for your cloakers..
But do go on claiming Cloak is balanced.. Im sure CCP will be quite interested in those statements as they were about the hisec gankers having a "right" to kill without risk..
Can't devote the time to double click every 30 mins? Don't cloak in zerosec...Accept your part of the risks of 00 life like everyone else.. If you are dedicated enough.. You will still get lots of kills.
Cloaking is way unbalanced and I do feel even a fuel mod is warranted.. However.. For now I think it is reasonable just to ask for an AFK timer and ask for the other major issues be fixed well first..
HOW IS A CLOAKING RECON KILLING WITHOUT RISK?!
you know what? you have to be troll. you can't be serious. That's how stupid you sound.
And how is making it fuel dependent NOT nerfing it? When I run out of Fuel I'm boned? what about extended trips through low sec, and 0.0. It basically makes Warping cloaked a waste of fuel, and then why bother flying a recon or cov ops?
the whole argument is stupid. There is one issue with cloaking, and thats the fact that people don't like hostiles in their system that they can't see.
Again I find a simple timer is fine. But I am saying that with the way they are overpowered I would "like" a fuel requirement. Especially seeing as the same attitude as those who saw their hisec risk free profits get exposed is shown here.
Its called a middle ground. I would like required fuel but that would require a bigger rebalancing overall.. So the middle ground is an AFK timer..
However if yall just continue to stonewall it. Do not expect any holding back when yall whine when CCP says "Screwit" and goes for fuel requirements to kill bunches of birds with one stone.. Like they did with the double whammy hisec concord changes.
Or you could use a system like "heat" to control the cloaks a non specialised cloaking ships can not vent the heat from the cloaking device - thus the larger the ship the more strain there is on the cloak and once it heats up it shuts down.
but i will not agree to any nerf to the covops/stealthbombers/recons -----------------------------------------------
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: midge Mo'yb Or you could use a system like "heat" to control the cloaks a non specialised cloaking ships can not vent the heat from the cloaking device - thus the larger the ship the more strain there is on the cloak and once it heats up it shuts down.
but i will not agree to any nerf to the covops/stealthbombers/recons
This at least makes sense. I could agree to this. Leave my recons the hell alone you cretins!
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
Finally! Someone who gets it..
Accept a little change or CCP will find an excuse to swing the nerfbat..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
If that is what you want.. Sure... Across the board is fine...
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Skyy
Caldari Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Mojo Lux To Haniblecter...Space is a cruel mistress. Adapt or continue to be frustrated.
Don't listen to Mojo... his way of adapting is to leave his best friend behind :(
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Krows
Caldari Resource Reallocators Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:46:00 -
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Okay **** is coming out now.
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:52:00 -
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Threads like this, make my day of AFK cloaking so much more enjoyable.
-hOr
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:58:00 -
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Funny thing is we have the same cloacking ***s as ghost here and sometimes they kill a random fool in the belts but mostly its them who die or get chased off by fast responding alliance mates....rite guis! rite?
Nerph cloackors!!!! Nerph D-R!
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Sarin Adler
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
Are youa troll where I'm saying recons are overpowered. This has nothing to do with reckon and a lot to do with cloacking in general.
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
Are youa troll where I'm saying recons are overpowered. This has nothing to do with reckon and a lot to do with cloacking in general.
Ouigh, you said, "Before it gets out of hand" How can something get out of hand if it's in complete Balance?
why should I accept any nerf if no nerf is needed?
and Zachster, I was being sarcastic, Every game has people who are AFK, Why should eve be any different? just because you don't feel safe 100% does not mean that the game is broken.
That's all I have to say, it's stupid to argue, I've made my points and you've not answered the big question anyway.
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Sarin Adler
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
Are youa troll where I'm saying recons are overpowered. This has nothing to do with reckon and a lot to do with cloacking in general.
Ouigh, you said, "Before it gets out of hand" How can something get out of hand if it's in complete Balance?
why should I accept any nerf if no nerf is needed?
and Zachster, I was being sarcastic, Every game has people who are AFK, Why should eve be any different? just because you don't feel safe 100% does not mean that the game is broken.
That's all I have to say, it's stupid to argue, I've made my points and you've not answered the big question anyway.
Before AFK cloacking gets out of hand, not recons. Danger is ok & should be something natural in lowsec and nullsec but afk cloacking ia no brainer no matter how you put it.
If you want to stay cloacked in safe sport for hours while you're in front of the computer is fine; but if you're not there, why should you be there spending server bandwith?
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sebea on 14/08/2008 19:21:40 Zachstar is selectively reading what the dev said anyway, they are thinking of adjusting NON RECON cloaks. NOT cov-ops, recons, sb's or black ops, as it is their JOB TO REMAIN CLOAKED in system, it was made that way BY DESIGN.
of course, in his nerd-rage he's overlooking that statement and foaming at the mouth screaming nerf nerf nerf again.
The fuel requirement idea was to have an effect on NON CLOAKING SHIPS such as ratting bs, and other combat vessels working ala Burn Eden style.
Course, we all know how deadly cov ops frigates can be, and of course i can understand why he would want to make them weaker...
There were ships designed to be unfindable, hence the ability to warp cloaked, that only a select few ships have, get it? Their tanks are weak, their DPS is laughable for their ship size, and yet, in all that, its not enough for players like you, you NEED EVERY SHIP TO IN EVE TO BE KILLABLE WHEN YOU SAY IT SHOULD DIE OR YOU'LL STOMP YOUR FEET AND WHINE UP A STORM TILL MOMMY GIVES YOU COOKIES!!!11!!
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:28:00 -
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Fortunately.. from another thread:
Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 02/11/2007 03:29:03 With all these Nerfs, Infinity: Quest for Earth is getting better looking every day. No you can't have my stuff.
Please... sign-up today, cancel your account and **** off somewhere else.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:31:00 -
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Wow I must be someone quite important to actually have my history searched.
Don't you wish I held the same view.. Too bad..
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:39:00 -
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you know...in all these pages of whining and moaning, not one of you have brought up an even more comparable point. Why is there such an outcry for "AFK" cloakers, but not such an equal cry to nerf "afk" war targets in stations?
Surely there along the same line of play. Why whine about one, and not the other? And seriously, Teg, I had far more respect for you...but for some reason since you guys joined EC, you've turned into nothing but a noob ***got who's complaining about pathetic shit. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Wow I must be someone quite important to actually have my history searched.
Don't you wish I held the same view.. Too bad..
Whatever.
You've said you're leaving the game, ironically I found that out after you suggested I should quit 0.0 because I can fly cloaked recons ships because sometimes (I don't do it all the time) I don't have as much play time as other people.
Personally, I'm staying as I like the game and think with a modi****of intelligence it can be improved. You don't IMHO seem to be adding anything constructive. So, go on, y'all, put your money where your mouth is and quit. 0.0 and eve obviously aren't for you.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 14/08/2008 20:28:08
Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid,
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
If that is what you want.. Sure... Across the board is fine...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA......errrrr .
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
3-You don't get off so easy as "fine across the board". You want a cloak nerf? The rest of us want to see everyone "supposedly AFK" in a station or POS ejected to a random location in space every thirty minutes or so .
How you like dem apples shweetheart?
Same advice as for previous know-nothing attempting to dictate how others play the game:
NEVER undock Zachstar! Stick to forum whoring, whining, and generally making yourself look rather pathetic. It's the only way to be sure .
p.s. Pressing F5 or "refresh" doesn't count as a keystroke ingame either dontcha know .
*F1 Cloaks and chuckles*
**EDIT**Better yet wait for ambulation so you can freely watch your pacifier arc gently out of the pram in all it's pixelated glory .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Deira Lenia
The Chaotic Order Void.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:37:00 -
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Cloak needs to be buffed.
Most my targets warp away when i decloak the megathron next to their puny ratting raven.
Hell, why are you even bothered by a person that AFK cloaks 22,5 hours a day? If hes AFK that means you can use the system freely. And If hes there. Does your alliance only own 1 system? Or are all 300 of yall stuffed into the same one?
Cant see it on the map, so you must have more space out there.
You sir, need to learn why people AFK cloak in hostile system, and how to make them leave. And no, i'm not going to tell you. Your corp is 2 years older then this char is. So after you complained im a nubbin you can go ask them.
Also, whats wrong with multi-accounting? Instead of running L4's with 2x CNR. I run them with 1 CNR and plant my other char in hostile local. Keeps them off their money-making. And i get rich at the same time!
It's a Win-Win situation. I get rich, and you cant afford a new ship after i ganked that raven. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
OMFG... Knowing whether they are or not... is NOT the issue. Being afk cloaked IS the issue. People do it... to afk in a system all day affecting and impacting the play styles of many if absurd. I'm not afraid of cloakers, I don't care what they do... I'm all for recons causing havoc in enemy systems... but I'm not for people walking away and achieving the same thing they can if they actually played. That is a huge flaw. It doesn't matter what is achieved... it matters HOW it is achieved.
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Baaldor
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:48:00 -
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I think this kind of funny.
When the lights are on everyone is cool. But turn off the lights and they curl up in a corner imagine all kinds of spooks.
So basically you are asking for a night light?
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Souldemba Mataka
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:51:00 -
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My God ppl get a life ... 22.5 hrs WTF .... u must be lacking viatiam D in your ****up bodies. You going to kill yourself if you play that many hours ... or get fatter.
Will someone lock this thread .... it boring and stupid. So what if this guys cloaks and then logs off. Who give a flying toss. Kill him
THE END
Please can someone lock this thread
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:51:00 -
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Originally by: Baaldor I think this kind of funny.
When the lights are on everyone is cool. But turn off the lights and they curl up in a corner imagine all kinds of spooks.
So basically you are asking for a night light?
I think you are referring to the 'remove local' thread... I suggest you find it between your bath time and you bed time story, child. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:55:00 -
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Edited by: Farrqua on 14/08/2008 20:55:31
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Baaldor I think this kind of funny.
When the lights are on everyone is cool. But turn off the lights and they curl up in a corner imagine all kinds of spooks.
So basically you are asking for a night light?
I think you are referring to the 'remove local' thread... I suggest you find it between your bath time and you bed time story, child.
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:42:00 -
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I'm sorry but I may be a little slow on the uptake here.
So how many ships does an AFK cloaker kill, whilst AFK?
And if there is an AFK cloaker in a system, does that stop the use of stargates to move to another system?
If you did move to another system and the AFK cloaker entered said system, then he/she wouldn't be AFK and that would be like watching local for enemies anyway? Surely at that point, normal safety precautions would apply and the Corp/Alliance you were in would act.
Sorry but... what is the issue here? Am I missing something?
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:44:00 -
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Haniblecter, the afk cloaker probably doesn't realise what this is doing to his electricity bill if that's any consolation
More seriously, can't you just go to another system?
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.14 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's I'm sorry but I may be a little slow on the uptake here.
So how many ships does an AFK cloaker kill, whilst AFK?
And if there is an AFK cloaker in a system, does that stop the use of stargates to move to another system?
If you did move to another system and the AFK cloaker entered said system, then he/she wouldn't be AFK and that would be like watching local for enemies anyway? Surely at that point, normal safety precautions would apply and the Corp/Alliance you were in would act.
Sorry but... what is the issue here? Am I missing something?
You are slow on the uptake.
What you're missing here is that people are CLOAKING. Some of these people are AFK!
...and our OP (and supporters/trolls) DON'T LIKE IT!
We can't have this! AFK cloakers are ANNOYING our OP. He doesn't feel SAFE.
and as other people have mentioned, it will get OUT OF HAND. Soon, we might have many people AFK and CLOAKED...
...and that will destroy the game, won't it... I mean... they're just cloaked there... not doing anything.
Don't you realise how TERRIFYING this is? Soon, even 500 man fleets will fear to enter a system, in case there is someone AFK cloaked there.
Alliances will fall. People will leave the game in droves.
AFK CLOAKING IS THE MOST LETHAL, TERRIFYING FORCE IN THE GAME! The OP doesn't like it!
CCP! DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!! |
Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.14 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Mag's Stuff....
You are slow on the uptake.
What you're missing here is that people are CLOAKING. Some of these people are AFK!
...and our OP (and supporters/trolls) DON'T LIKE IT!
We can't have this! AFK cloakers are ANNOYING our OP. He doesn't feel SAFE.
and as other people have mentioned, it will get OUT OF HAND. Soon, we might have many people AFK and CLOAKED...
...and that will destroy the game, won't it... I mean... they're just cloaked there... not doing anything.
Don't you realise how TERRIFYING this is? Soon, even 500 man fleets will fear to enter a system, in case there is someone AFK cloaked there.
Alliances will fall. People will leave the game in droves.
AFK CLOAKING IS THE MOST LETHAL, TERRIFYING FORCE IN THE GAME! The OP doesn't like it!
CCP! DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!
Damn... how will I sleep tonight with that kind of fear.
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
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