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Qinglong Zhong
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Posted - 2008.08.15 00:00:00 -
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Dont like this dood afk cloaking in your space, then go afk cloak and kill some of his peeps in his space. It's a vicious cycle this internet spaceship game we play.
The validity of tactics shouldn't be gauged on you being tired of getting your a#$ kicked in your own space, but whether it works or not. Not only is he ganking pilots, but he's driving the locals crazy and disrupting daily opreations. Sounds like it's working to me. Tactic Valid.
PS .1 isk sent
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.15 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: oilio
You are slow on the uptake.
What you're missing here is that people are CLOAKING. Some of these people are AFK!
...and our OP (and supporters/trolls) DON'T LIKE IT!
We can't have this! AFK cloakers are ANNOYING our OP. He doesn't feel SAFE.
and as other people have mentioned, it will get OUT OF HAND. Soon, we might have many people AFK and CLOAKED...
...and that will destroy the game, won't it... I mean... they're just cloaked there... not doing anything.
Don't you realise how TERRIFYING this is? Soon, even 500 man fleets will fear to enter a system, in case there is someone AFK cloaked there.
Alliances will fall. People will leave the game in droves.
AFK CLOAKING IS THE MOST LETHAL, TERRIFYING FORCE IN THE GAME! The OP doesn't like it!
CCP! DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue.
I do see both sides. I do have a clue.
However, I think that people are blowing this way out of proportion. You don't like it because it frustrates you. It's SUPPOSED to frustrate you.
Staying in a system permanently cloaked is a tactic. The tactic is working. You don't like the tactic and want to see it removed. The only way you could possibly get that to happen is by trying to argue that it is invalid, but the arguments are weak - really weak - to the point of being comedy.
A cloaked ship in your system can't do a damn thing if the pilot is AFK. Sometimes, he will not be AFK - he will be hunting people down in your system. When that happens, it is YOUR job (and that of the alliance who control the system) to hunt him down and destroy him.
If one loan cloaker in your system makes your system uninhabitable, then you are simply WEAK. Complaining to CCP makes you look EVEN WEAKER.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus the real argument has value and debate.
Thats just it, it doesn't have debate, or value, the mechanics are WORKING AS INTENDED (shocking i know).
Good to know that you support all your arguments with baseless name calling, and tons of personal opinion based off that name calling though.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
OMFG... Knowing whether they are or not... is NOT the issue. Being afk cloaked IS the issue. People do it... to afk in a system all day affecting and impacting the play styles of many if absurd. I'm not afraid of cloakers, I don't care what they do... I'm all for recons causing havoc in enemy systems... but I'm not for people walking away and achieving the same thing they can if they actually played. That is a huge flaw. It doesn't matter what is achieved... it matters HOW it is achieved.
Bingo!
As for AFK for the other stuff..
If you are in the middle of space and you dont move.. You are afk..
If you are sitting in a cloak while taking a bath and then having a big meal afterwards while your targets are having to organize ops.. You are afk
If you sit in ship with a single beam on a roid that never changes targets.. You are afk..
Not exactly that hard.. Except for those desperate to keep their ill gotten gains..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Pithecanthropus the real argument has value and debate.
Thats just it, it doesn't have debate, or value, the mechanics are WORKING AS INTENDED (shocking i know).
Good to know that you support all your arguments with baseless name calling, and tons of personal opinion based off that name calling though.
They are not working as intended as it allows for no risk AFK period.. Not even hisec carebears can claim that ability..
But those who are desperate to keep this easy mode (Like those before yall who viciously attacked those who dared oppose the then system of no risk hisec ganking) are trying the usual tricks The calling of those who dare go against the norm whiners, telling them to leave EVE.. etc...
It diddn't work then and it wont work now..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue.
I do see both sides. I do have a clue.
However, I think that people are blowing this way out of proportion. You don't like it because it frustrates you. It's SUPPOSED to frustrate you.
Staying in a system permanently cloaked is a tactic. The tactic is working. You don't like the tactic and want to see it removed. The only way you could possibly get that to happen is by trying to argue that it is invalid, but the arguments are weak - really weak - to the point of being comedy.
A cloaked ship in your system can't do a damn thing if the pilot is AFK. Sometimes, he will not be AFK - he will be hunting people down in your system. When that happens, it is YOUR job (and that of the alliance who control the system) to hunt him down and destroy him.
If one loan cloaker in your system makes your system uninhabitable, then you are simply WEAK. Complaining to CCP makes you look EVEN WEAKER.
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.15 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 15/08/2008 01:34:02
Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue.
I do see both sides. I do have a clue.
However, I think that people are blowing this way out of proportion. You don't like it because it frustrates you. It's SUPPOSED to frustrate you.
Staying in a system permanently cloaked is a tactic. The tactic is working. You don't like the tactic and want to see it removed. The only way you could possibly get that to happen is by trying to argue that it is invalid, but the arguments are weak - really weak - to the point of being comedy.
A cloaked ship in your system can't do a damn thing if the pilot is AFK. Sometimes, he will not be AFK - he will be hunting people down in your system. When that happens, it is YOUR job (and that of the alliance who control the system) to hunt him down and destroy him.
If one loan cloaker in your system makes your system uninhabitable, then you are simply WEAK. Complaining to CCP makes you look EVEN WEAKER.
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
tbh, while crying about things with no risk, the high sec missioners should be looked at long before Recons who are doing their job should be.
Maybe im in your system scouting, making bookmarks, to attack your towers later. Kinda fits the job description doesn't it? why should i all of the sudden suffer from a fuel need to do the job my ship was intended to do?
For our "risk free" life, we have to suffer through little crappy tanks, and laughable dps. Seems a fair trade to me, or would you like to be the guy suggesting the Pilgrim be made weaker in some fashion?
Recons are being adjusted. The speed nerf is murdering the rapier, the nos and damp nerf killed the pilgrim and the arazu, and the falcon is where they want it, considering they nerfed then buffed it already.
In short, your arguments are falling on deaf ears.
If you notice, this thread, is full of people telling you your wrong. Do you mean to say that all of these people are cloakers looking to save their "easy mode"?
Personally, I'm a nano sac pilot, so this doesn't have an effect on me (different nerf for me), but I think your looking at it wrong.
Its also a literal stream of requests to lower the combat abilities of ships thats getting on peoples nerves.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
OMFG... Knowing whether they are or not... is NOT the issue. Being afk cloaked IS the issue.
If you are in the middle of space and you dont move.. You are afk..
If you are sitting in a cloak while taking a bath and then having a big meal afterwards while your targets are having to organize ops.. You are afk
how do you know? How do you know? HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Guess what-you don't!
"Big river keep on burning....zachstar's tears keep flowing"
Just stay docked and the boogeyman won't jump out of the closet .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
"If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride"
Nice horse .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
The only difference between them logging off and them cloaking is your paranoia. You don't think to yourself, "THIS GUY IS LOGGED OFF, WHAT HAPPENS IF HE LOGS ON?!?!?"
Fact is while AFK they can't do anything, while at the computer they are just a regular player. If they are cloaked they can't follow you. So go to a different system, stop being a lazy bastard that you can't rat in your 20 man station system where no one will help you if you do get tackled anyway.
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Sophia Esperanza
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:37:00 -
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lol, Cloakers win.
You know what ELSE i realized?
99% of This thread is Trolling and Flaming.
Epic...Epic...
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.15 09:08:00 -
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How about a reply to my questions?
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.15 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Qinglong Zhong Dont like this dood afk cloaking in your space, then go afk cloak and kill some of his peeps in his space. It's a vicious cycle this internet spaceship game we play.
The validity of tactics shouldn't be gauged on you being tired of getting your a#$ kicked in your own space, but whether it works or not. Not only is he ganking pilots, but he's driving the locals crazy and disrupting daily opreations. Sounds like it's working to me. Tactic Valid.
PS .1 isk sent
You sir, just made my black books.
Not kew.
-hOr
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Chmod Hellscream
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2008.08.15 11:44:00 -
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/me uncloaks /me sends Ghosthor .1 isk /me recloaks /me goes afk Want a Cookie? |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Sophia Esperanza lol, Cloakers win.
You know what ELSE i realized?
99% of This thread is Trolling and Flaming.
Epic...Epic...
How about a real response instead of the usual responses we saw during the discussion about hisec ganking..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Zachstar
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
The only difference between them logging off and them cloaking is your paranoia. You don't think to yourself, "THIS GUY IS LOGGED OFF, WHAT HAPPENS IF HE LOGS ON?!?!?"
Fact is while AFK they can't do anything, while at the computer they are just a regular player. If they are cloaked they can't follow you. So go to a different system, stop being a lazy bastard that you can't rat in your 20 man station system where no one will help you if you do get tackled anyway.
Funny calling me a lazy bastard when I have to organize ops when you can go take a shower..
Sorry very poor excuse for being able to do something while taking a nap.. Going to the movies or doing whatever you want..
If you cant sit at your computer doing the same thing you do not need to be in zero sec or even logged into EVE in my view..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Zachstar This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
"If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride"
Nice horse .
As was the changes to hisec ganking..
Oh wait...
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.15 14:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar
Funny calling me a lazy bastard when I have to organize ops when you can go take a shower..
Sorry very poor excuse for being able to do something while taking a nap.. Going to the movies or doing whatever you want..
If you cant sit at your computer doing the same thing you do not need to be in zero sec or even logged into EVE in my view..
You don't have to organize ops, this is a game and you don't have any responsabilities unless you choose to take them. Telling me you are the one organizing ops doesn't impress me much either, it's not difficult.
Don't tell me you are organizing an op to kill 1 guy who is cloaked? That would be the most pathetic excuse for an op ever.
What I am saying is, you are trying to make CCP create a counter for something for which a counter already exists and it's a pretty ****ing easy one, it's called moving.
Considering how crappy the log in on this game is, it's good to never log off, quite frankly there is nothing wrong with being logged in and not at the computer. The only reason you have is 'I don't feel safe'. _______________
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.15 15:46:00 -
[320]
Edited by: Sebea on 15/08/2008 15:46:34
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Zachstar
Funny calling me a lazy bastard when I have to organize ops when you can go take a shower..
Sorry very poor excuse for being able to do something while taking a nap.. Going to the movies or doing whatever you want..
If you cant sit at your computer doing the same thing you do not need to be in zero sec or even logged into EVE in my view..
You don't have to organize ops, this is a game and you don't have any responsabilities unless you choose to take them. Telling me you are the one organizing ops doesn't impress me much either, it's not difficult.
Don't tell me you are organizing an op to kill 1 guy who is cloaked? That would be the most pathetic excuse for an op ever.
What I am saying is, you are trying to make CCP create a counter for something for which a counter already exists and it's a pretty ****ing easy one, it's called moving.
Considering how crappy the log in on this game is, it's good to never log off, quite frankly there is nothing wrong with being logged in and not at the computer. The only reason you have is 'I don't feel safe'.
ouch
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 16:55:00 -
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This thread is still going? Good god.
I'm sorry... complaining about 'afk cloakers' is lame. An "AFK" cloaker can't hurt you. If you PAY ATTENTION to the tools you have, (overview, local, intel channels, remaining aligned) an "at the keyboard" cloaker isn't a threat either.
Hint: Only 2 ship types in the game can lock without delay after de-cloaking, NEITHER of which can warp cloaked. So what you're saying is:
1) I am too lazy to use intel channels 2) I am too lazy to make sure I align while ratting/mining 3) I am too lazy to watch my overview 4) I am too lazy to warp out the instant I see a red/neut on overview 5) My alliance sucks so much that we don't have a defense gang that will come kill, or at least run off, the silly cloakers when they attack. 6) My alliance also sucks because even when we know the cloakers are active we do nothing about them.
Please... do your entire alliance a favor and stop posting. You are making them look completely inept... Stating that ships that are DESIGNED to do exactly what they are doing are 'broken' is sheer idiocy. Now... 'non covops ships' who cloak forever and a day? Yeah those irritate the hell out of me. I can completely understand not wanting cloaked fleets in your system that just sit there cloaked all day waiting to drop a fleet on your head (burn eden and others) but *****ing about recons, covops, stealth bombers and blackops which are specifically designed to cloak? Get real.
You might get some sympathy if all you griped about were perma-cloaking non-cloakers but griping about ships specifically designed to cloak just makes you look like a fool.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:03:00 -
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If you are surprised this thread is still going then why the long response? Maybe because there is a conversation to be had despite those who would rather bury it in insults of "Whiner" "Weak" "Make your Alliance look stupidz" or whatever...
I do support fuel for dedicated warp cloak ships but I do realize how that requires a greater rebalance and lots of work compared to an AFK timer...
If you think complaining that a person can take a shower, do whatever away from EVE in perfect safety while having an effect is worthless? Then surely you are wasting your time here no? If CCP will never consider it that is..
Tho I have confidence that CCP will understand the unbalanced advantage that gives and will respond in a way that will allow cloakers to still keep their tactical advantage yet remove the advantage for those who are abusing it for perfect safety AFK..
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Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:08:00 -
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There's a pretty simple solution to this. We all need to go to the nearest locator agent and hunt down the OP. Then, collectively, we will ALL sit in his space, cloaked and AFK.
They're just lonely and trying to encourage more of the same activity... they're just not too good at asking about it.
That's really what this is all about, isn't it? You're just lonely. Dont' worry. We'll all help you out!!
:: heads off to the nearest locator to begin his work ::
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Argian
Minmatar AngelCor
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Zachstar
Considering how crappy the log in on this game is, it's good to never log off, quite frankly there is nothing wrong with being logged in and not at the computer. The only reason you have is 'I don't feel safe'.
Well maybe it would be less of a pain to log on if everyone logged off instead of afk cloaking while doing their work, their laundry or washing their dogs.
Thinking of it, I wonder how many people would actually be online if there was no afk cloaking, afk missioning and afk mining.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar remove the advantage for those who are abusing it for perfect safety AFK..
You sitll have not answered:
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar If you are surprised this thread is still going then why the long response? Maybe because there is a conversation to be had despite those who would rather bury it in insults of "Whiner" "Weak" "Make your Alliance look stupidz" or whatever...
I do support fuel for dedicated warp cloak ships but I do realize how that requires a greater rebalance and lots of work compared to an AFK timer...
If you think complaining that a person can take a shower, do whatever away from EVE in perfect safety while having an effect is worthless? Then surely you are wasting your time here no? If CCP will never consider it that is..
Tho I have confidence that CCP will understand the unbalanced advantage that gives and will respond in a way that will allow cloakers to still keep their tactical advantage yet remove the advantage for those who are abusing it for perfect safety AFK..
You are totally missing the point that COVOPS, RECONS and BLACKOPS are designed to operate in hostile space. As such they have the ability to hide from hostiles regardless of whether they are at the keyboard or not. And, contrary to popular belief, most of us who pilot those ship types DO log out when we're going to be away from the computer for extended periods of time. But what you are proposing is completely game-breaking for those pilots. Requiring fuel to do their job? Their job is to be able to warp cloaked, sit cloaked, scout out the enemy... cloaked.... etc.... now you want to tell them they have to cart fuel around as well? In already gimped cargo bays? Please... get real. These ships aren't broken, they are doing the job they are designed to do.
Like I said... I don't much like people who perma-cloak in Ravens, Megathrons, battlecruisers... command ships... etc... But complaining about ships specifically designed to cloak is silly. Suggest changes that don't impact the ship class's ability to DO IT's JOB and maybe people would listen. But right now you're just mindlessly ranting about a ship that's been doing a job it's designed to do and isn't overpowered by any stretch of the imagination.
TBH I find it interesting that someone who has an anti-nerf logo in their sig is so hell bent on nerfing a ship they dont' even fly.
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 15/08/2008 17:37:22
Originally by: Argian
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Considering how crappy the log in on this game is, it's good to never log off, quite frankly there is nothing wrong with being logged in and not at the computer. The only reason you have is 'I don't feel safe'.
Well maybe it would be less of a pain to log on if everyone logged off instead of afk cloaking while doing their work, their laundry or washing their dogs.
Thinking of it, I wonder how many people would actually be online if there was no afk cloaking, afk missioning and afk mining.
Actually, point of fact: Login handshake processes in computer systems are completely unaffected by number of users online at a given time as they're handled by separate computers from the ones that handle already connected users.
If people were logging out/in MORE (as this would supposedly cause) it would actually make the login servers work even harder, thus slower.
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Torso Addenda
Nihilists LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:37:00 -
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The issue with AFK cloaking is simple: unlike most other game mechanics, it takes a magnitude more effort (manhours, skills, and mental effort) than the AFK cloaking itself to counter.
For CCP, the issue is just subscriptions. Does AFK cloaking create more player interest in continuing their now more expensive time cards than it destroys. At present, it probably leans to the negative side for their revenue. Uber griefers are a neccesary thing to keep interest in the game up, but CCP will find the balance that maximises their revenue.
I suggest two solutions:
1) A wholesale revamping of the cloaking system, in which cloaks act not to make ships invisible, but to reduce their signature radius, perhaps 100 fold. Probes can then seek them. On grid, all untargeted ships appear on overview intermittantly, proportional the ratio between the viewer's sensor strength and the ship's signature radius.
Hence even high skilled inties sometimes drop off overview, while immense ships like carriers and Titans are almost impossible to cloak effectively. This would in many ways improve game play. It would also improve physical plausiblity.
2) If we want to keep the present cloaking system, I suggest a trade that many will appreciate: all players have a afk timer of 10 minutes, and in return, cloakers are no longer visible on local. The character list on local offers the option of sorting the list by alphabet or by time elapsed since any player first appeared in system. Therefore, sorted by time elapsed, cloaker ships would appear briefly at the top of the list and immediately disappear, allowing all in system at that time to be aware of the presence of predators.
I'm sure there are problems with either idea, but at present the cloaking system is broken from standpoint of balance and for cloakers themselves - the gate system knows/reports who jumps/logs in while they are invisible to all others?
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 15/08/2008 17:45:09
Originally by: Torso Addenda The issue with AFK cloaking is simple: unlike most other game mechanics, it takes a magnitude more effort (manhours, skills, and mental effort) than the AFK cloaking itself to counter.
You haven't trained to fly covops, recons or blackops have you :) Might want to rethink that statement.
Countering an AFK cloaker is simple: Fly in a ship that carries a point (yes, even a hulk can do this) Be ganged with other active pilots in system (so they can come to your aid) Be aligned when ratting/mining Warp out if a red/neut shows up on overview.
The mechanic is not broken. The perception of people who don't like it is.
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:47:00 -
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OP, thank you. You have inflated Ghosty's ego so much with this thread, he has become intolerable. We are about ready to gank him ourselves.
Here's something for your to consider. While he is AFK and cloaked, invincible and invulnerable, you are TOTALLY FECKING SAFE from him. See how that works?
You live in 0.0 space. Where in the description does 'safe' enter into it?? You are SUPPOSED to be paranoid by this. You are NOT supposed to whine about it, but to counter it. And yeah, there are ways that don't require a 20 man constant patrol of the system.
You wanna rat in peace? Mission in hisec. Thats what its for.
You wanna play in the big pool? Then take of your water wings, sunshine, and go for a swim. Just watch the deep end...there be sharks there. ________________________________________________ I went to CAOD and all I got was this lousy brain tumor...
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