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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:04:00 -
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This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure ********* ----------------- Friends Forever |
Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:05:00 -
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For the single reason that you're whining about one guy in local threatening your space, it's a valid (and good) game-mechanic.
Black Hand.
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Sweet Laylah
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:09:00 -
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Alliance name says it all tbh
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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:13:00 -
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I see this too. 1 guy can't gank me. 2 can give me trouble. 3 means you fleet up to get rid of them. I don't know. Cloakers don't bother me. There are always people on who would rather be PvPing and are more than happy to sentry the system, waiting for someone to flag a belt. Often with 1 and 2 reds, I will go to a belt and bait rat. Have fun with it. If you are that tight for ISK, go to another system. I just think you are misreading the problem. Fly safe! |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:21:00 -
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Tobias and Ioci make excellent counter points.
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Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:31:00 -
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What do you want CCP to do for you?
Would you like your own secure piece of 0.0 space that only you and your buddies have access too? Do you want CCP to log people out of the game if they sit in space cloaked? Do you want any sort of competition and risk in this game?
Honestly - what do you want? What do you think the answer is?
Aperture Science Industries are recruiting players from Perth, Australia | Eve Online Web Design Services |
InDa Hood
Forum Trolls Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:36:00 -
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Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55 AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich? Washing their hands? bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ioci I see this too. 1 guy can't gank me. 2 can give me trouble. 3 means you fleet up to get rid of them. I don't know. Cloakers don't bother me. There are always people on who would rather be PvPing and are more than happy to sentry the system, waiting for someone to flag a belt. Often with 1 and 2 reds, I will go to a belt and bait rat. Have fun with it. If you are that tight for ISK, go to another system. I just think you are misreading the problem. Fly safe!
Why should I have to go to another system (they always choose the best) to accommodate for his 'valid' game mechanics....game mechanics that allow a person to afk for most of the day until they decide they want to actually want to 'play'.
Game mechanics that prevents you from doing anything to correct the problem.
Taken to the extreme, you can have everyone in an alliance afk cloak their alts in an enemy system/s. What are you going to do there? Is that a truly valid tactic? Or is it more akin to griefing?
----------------- Friends Forever |
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:42:00 -
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Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 07:42:42
Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55 AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich? Washing their hands? bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
****.
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon. ----------------- Friends Forever |
InDa Hood
Forum Trolls Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 07:50:00 -
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Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:51:09 Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:50:51
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
Everyone forgets things, like logging.
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon.
But then whining carebears who can't fit PvP ships to fight through ganks wouldn't come to the forums crying...
What then?
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:06:00 -
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Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 08:08:46
Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:51:09 Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:50:51
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
Everyone forgets things, like logging.
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon.
But then whining carebears who can't fit PvP ships to fight through ganks wouldn't come to the forums crying...
What then?
Oh yea, cause the problem is Im just not fighting him. That all I have to do is hop in a nano of my own and take him down.
Oh wait, he's cloaked.
And carebear? Watch your tongue little boy, even bears eat berries.
And fight through ganks? What? Have you even read the thread? Cloakers dont gate camp, so there's nothing to 'fight through'. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:09:00 -
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Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55 AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich? Washing their hands? bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
or god forbit looking up ****.......not that id ever do such a thing >_>
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:16:00 -
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Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 08:16:28
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55 AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich? Washing their hands? bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
or god forbit looking up ****.......not that id ever do such a thing >_>
You're afk cloaked in a system for 23/7: Wake up. Log on to main after dt. You go to work. You take the kids to soccer practice, you pork the misses. You do two missions with your alt in empire. You pick up the kids from practice. You check your afk cloaker in the system. You eat dinner. You go to bed.
Valid Game Mechanic or Grief? ----------------- Friends Forever |
Aerieva
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:16:00 -
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Rat in pairs or use the system next door, leet afk cloaking tactic overcome.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Aerieva Rat in pairs or use the system next door, leet afk cloaking tactic overcome.
Station system? Only a handful of good ratting systems? Why should regular players put up with griefing?
Any responses? ----------------- Friends Forever |
Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:29:00 -
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In addition:
Is there any other like corollary to cloaking in general? Something where you're 'playing' but completely unfindable and therefore invincible.
Besides being in a station, no. Any other instance, people are able to get at you.
So in the very least, cloaking is easily the most ***** module in the game. People who use cloaks (with the exception of stealths, we need scouts) like to get as risk free as they can.
You want to defend that? Be my guest. But dont call this stand-up-and-fight mofo a *****.
Further, if you want to annoy an enemy, if you want to be in their ratting system causing havoc on your own, go for it. I'm all for it. But do it with 10 safe spots and buzzing around. Or logging on to kill stuff. Dont do it by afk'ing for half a day to, Im guessing, lull the enemy into expecting your away. That strikes me as griefing. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Feilamya
Minmatar Pelennor Swarm Souls of Vengeance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:30:00 -
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Here's an idea how to fix AFK cloaking:
Make cloakers invisible in local.
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Angry Cyno
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:32:00 -
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By posting this EMO post you FAIL!
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Kurt Ambrose
Caldari Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:36:00 -
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Originally by: Feilamya Here's an idea how to fix AFK cloaking:
Make cloakers invisible in local.
This
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Atrei Capital
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Cyno By posting this EMO post you FAIL!
Wheres the emo?
Also: AFK cloaking is a cheesy tactic. The problem with a cloak is that it's an entirely passive module, requiring no thought or input, that makes you entirely invulnerable as long as you safe up.
There is no viable method for decloaking a safespotted cloaker. Your options are to either have PVPers camp the system for hours.. (Oh, yes, lots of fun, sitting around waiting for someone to uncloak ), or to go back to what your doing.. and let someone get ganked. After 12 hours, they uncloak, kill a miner, then recloak to afk again before anyone comes.
I would, however, support making the cloak have something like a 30 minute maximum timer.. followed by a 1 minute period where it does not function. To counter this, make cloakers dissapear from local: Give them actual stealth, but don't allow them to sit AFK and lock a system down. Then, they function as intended, not as a mere tool for an alt griefer. |
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr Glass House
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:42:00 -
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It is problem for years ,when i was in bruce we had about 30 goons cloaked in 7bx (fountain).Thats the tactic they use to bring down a big alliance .And then we had also BURN EDEN cloaked in pinky.And then we had also another farmer corp cloaked in 3we that stole all the 10/10 exploration sites.
Why you think empire is the isk maker for members of a 0.0 alliance .The only guys that profit in 0.0 are the ceo`s and the holding corp.
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Angry Cyno
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:45:00 -
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Cloaking is a in game mechanic.. use it or dont so guys stop *****ing and if you don't like it play WOW
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:47:00 -
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Don't rat in station systems, don't rat where there's 20 other guys.
If the guy is following you and cloaking, move. He's AFK he can't keep following. He poses no threat while he is AFK, if he was at his computer 23 hours, waiting for you to go to a belt, is that OK? If he was hopping safespots for 23 hours (still uncatchable) is that OK? _______________
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Atrei Capital
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Angry Cyno Cloaking is a in game mechanic.. use it or dont so guys stop *****ing and if you don't like it play WOW
You afk cloak, don't you?
Also, a magical "You can't attack me as long as I press this button" mode seems rather WoWlike, no? |
Angry Cyno
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:54:00 -
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No i don't. i use it on my Raven to pvp :) happy
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:55:00 -
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Ah the old AFK Cloaker Chestnut.
Boost SISI VOTE NOW! |
Devaira
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Posted - 2008.08.09 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55 AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich? Washing their hands? bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
or waiting for the newbie in his brand new ferox to grow tired and finally go rat in a belt only to get utterly pwned the next second ...
who knows, who knows ...
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Devaira
or waiting for the newbie in his brand new ferox to grow tired and finally go rat in a belt only to get utterly pwned the next second ...
who knows, who knows ...
Ratting with hostiles in local and ratting with a Ferox, he deserves to die. _______________
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr Glass House
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:13:00 -
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It`s not about ratting ,i agree you can rat all over the place. But most outpost are in solar systems where you have alot belts,where you have your mining posses your labs your jumpbridge.Share that with 20 30 people cloaked .
And it won`t help to have a gang next door or bait ,or bubble the gates Because you just sit there it`s more boring then any game the internet did invent.And those cloakers have ofc more accounts ,they are doeing missions in empire ,on the second screen they see whats going on where they are cloaked .
And don`t tell me how you counter cloakers ,because you can`t.Did it all saw it all.
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ulric Denrai
It`s not about ratting ,i agree you can rat all over the place. But most outpost are in solar systems where you have alot belts,where you have your mining posses your labs your jumpbridge.Share that with 20 30 people cloaked .
And it won`t help to have a gang next door or bait ,or bubble the gates Because you just sit there it`s more boring then any game the internet did invent.And those cloakers have ofc more accounts ,they are doeing missions in empire ,on the second screen they see whats going on where they are cloaked .
And don`t tell me how you counter cloakers ,because you can`t.Did it all saw it all.
So now you are saying the problem is 20 30 afk cloaks? Wat.
In POS shields you are perfect safe. So the mining POSes means nothing. Jump Bridge, well if your jump bridge POS can't kill 1 guy in a cloaking ship before it kills you, get a new POS manager.
When people begin to realise, just because you want to kill somebody doesn't mean you should be able to. You might want to kill everyone whenever you decide, but it's not going to happen there is always going to be a way to prevent yourself from being killed. So once you get over the fact the AFK cloaker isn't going to die soon and you move on where the boogy man can't get you. You will realise it doesn't matter. _______________
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:32:00 -
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Dez, thanks for being a fresh breath of air on the forums.
Black Hand.
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Lorna Loot
Caldari Nox Eternus
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:33:00 -
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Sounds like a real cool guy.
1. Its a valid tactic 2. It's CCP endorsed 3. Get the carebears to whine 4. It gets nerfed 5. You can rat in peace in your happy la-la land that is meant to 0.0 6. Suck it up and stop being a raging **** yourself for complaining about it. ----------
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr Glass House
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:33:00 -
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Simple solution is ,a cloak module needs to use alot cap like MWD, covert ops gets a bonus .
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Holy Church Of Garmonism
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:35:00 -
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AFK cloaking does no harm... Garmon will forsake the whiners
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr Glass House
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:36:00 -
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The real grievers are the cloakers ,not that alliance where people put years of time in ,then go to 0.0 .
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Ulric Denrai
Amarr Glass House
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ulric Denrai on 09/08/2008 09:41:05
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Ulric Denrai
It`s not about ratting ,i agree you can rat all over the place. But most outpost are in solar systems where you have alot belts,where you have your mining posses your labs your jumpbridge.Share that with 20 30 people cloaked .
And it won`t help to have a gang next door or bait ,or bubble the gates Because you just sit there it`s more boring then any game the internet did invent.And those cloakers have ofc more accounts ,they are doeing missions in empire ,on the second screen they see whats going on where they are cloaked .
And don`t tell me how you counter cloakers ,because you can`t.Did it all saw it all.
So now you are saying the problem is 20 30 afk cloaks? Wat.
In POS shields you are perfect safe. So the mining POSes means nothing. Jump Bridge, well if your jump bridge POS can't kill 1 guy in a cloaking ship before it kills you, get a new POS manager.
When people begin to realise, just because you want to kill somebody doesn't mean you should be able to. You might want to kill everyone whenever you decide, but it's not going to happen there is always going to be a way to prevent yourself from being killed. So once you get over the fact the AFK cloaker isn't going to die soon and you move on where the boogy man can't get you. You will realise it doesn't matter.
Since you are on the griever end you never will understand.
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:41:00 -
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Originally by: Ulric Denrai The real grievers are the cloakers ,not that alliance where people put years of time in ,then go to 0.0 .
Your arguement is someone shouldn't be able to disrupt your play. You further your point by saying they shouldn't be able to do it with no effort. You forget however that this isn't a happy la la everyone is best friends and we all hold hands kinda game, you also forget that if they are indeed AFK they can't TECHNICALLY disrupt you because they aren't there.
Then the real fact appears, if you move, they have to move too. _______________
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Bruja Ry
Caldari Copperhead Arsenal
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:45:00 -
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Instead of complaininig of afk cloakers, come up with valid non-game breaking ways to fix it. Be it a probe that has the chance to find them or something else entirely.
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=807663&page=1 |
Ulric Denrai
Amarr Glass House
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:45:00 -
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O and you my think i`m a carebear ,but i`m not ,i`m allways in alliance to pvp.But i understand a alliance also needs carebears.Otherwise it also will die.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:50:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Ioci I see this too. 1 guy can't gank me. 2 can give me trouble. 3 means you fleet up to get rid of them. I don't know. Cloakers don't bother me. There are always people on who would rather be PvPing and are more than happy to sentry the system, waiting for someone to flag a belt. Often with 1 and 2 reds, I will go to a belt and bait rat. Have fun with it. If you are that tight for ISK, go to another system. I just think you are misreading the problem. Fly safe!
Why should I have to go to another system (they always choose the best) to accommodate for his 'valid' game mechanics....game mechanics that allow a person to afk for most of the day until they decide they want to actually want to 'play'.
Game mechanics that prevents you from doing anything to correct the problem.
Taken to the extreme, you can have everyone in an alliance afk cloak their alts in an enemy system/s. What are you going to do there? Is that a truly valid tactic? Or is it more akin to griefing?
if he's AFK wtf are you worried about.
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 09:53:00 -
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I don't care if you are a carebear or the best PvPer in the game but removing things from the game just because it annoys you isn't a step forward. You can't target people while cloaked and you can't uncloak while you are AFK, therefore you cannot do anything while cloaked. It's not the cloak that needs to be nerfed, its you that needs to get over the fact he is there and work around it, go to a different system there are literally hundreds of completly empty 0.0 systems. _______________
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:00:00 -
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so just kill his ass or something.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
The Movement
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:06:00 -
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Fit a wcs, shouldnt be a problem for a ratting ship. -
Any good reason for gateguns shooting drones and thus removing dronebased ships from pirating?
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Rhanna Khurin
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:10:00 -
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Module used for specific purpose shocker!
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bluebeyond
MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
Shut the fuck up.
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TerrorBaBy
Jolly Rogerers
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Ioci I see this too. 1 guy can't gank me. 2 can give me trouble. 3 means you fleet up to get rid of them. I don't know. Cloakers don't bother me. There are always people on who would rather be PvPing and are more than happy to sentry the system, waiting for someone to flag a belt. Often with 1 and 2 reds, I will go to a belt and bait rat. Have fun with it. If you are that tight for ISK, go to another system. I just think you are misreading the problem. Fly safe!
Why should I have to go to another system (they always choose the best) to accommodate for his 'valid' game mechanics....game mechanics that allow a person to afk for most of the day until they decide they want to actually want to 'play'.
Game mechanics that prevents you from doing anything to correct the problem.
Taken to the extreme, you can have everyone in an alliance afk cloak their alts in an enemy system/s. What are you going to do there? Is that a truly valid tactic? Or is it more akin to griefing?
If you actually worked with your corp and alliance mates it wouldn't be a problem. The anti-cloaking argument is always the same:
'WAH, I can't rat in my belt because someone is afk cloaked in local, wah!'
The counter argument is also always the same:
'How do you know he is afk? What can he/she do to you whilst cloaked? Why is a single cloaked ship a threat to you in your own secure (supposedly) space?'
I think you should get some friends to he quite honest, you may find this problem just vanishes magically... _______________
Originally by: Constance Harme It's like willfully getting into a car full of strangers and then being driven out to the woods and being shot.
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Radeberger
Caldari I Care...... Seriously i do
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
Ghostthor is a noob
If you want some eXXXtra speshul happytime with him send him 0.1 isk.
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Kazang
Gallente KnightRaven Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:38:00 -
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Quote:
And fight through ganks? What? Have you even read the thread? Cloakers dont gate camp, so there's nothing to 'fight through'.
If the guy is afk and not going to fight as you say, wtf are you worried about?
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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:47:00 -
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CCP is making high sec 'safer'. Gratz, I care?
Don't **** with 0.0
If one AFK cloaker is enough to spook you, you are in for a miserable and nerve wrecking experience. Better go back to high sec now. |
Pazreal
Gallente The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:47:00 -
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Quote: Ghostthor is a noob
QFT...but he's a nice fellow. Get to know him when he has his .5 hour of playtime a day?
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:49:00 -
[51]
So now, cloaking is griefing.
I truely have seen it all now!
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Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:51:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Righteous Fury on 09/08/2008 10:51:51 your tears sir, they are delicious. you are aware that this thread is EXACTLY the kind of response cloakers seek when they do it?
its so much fun \o/
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Ap0ll0n
Gallente The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.09 10:59:00 -
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Since you are in 0.0, you should be in an alliance, mkay? An alliance have alot of peeps usually, and intel channels. Use those. Whenever you get jumped by an afk-cloaker, use the intel channels to shout for help. If its a proper alliance, people will rush to help you.
If you were a miner, i could understand you.
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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.08.09 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury Edited by: Righteous Fury on 09/08/2008 10:51:51 your tears sir, they are delicious. you are aware that this thread is EXACTLY the kind of response cloakers seek when they do it?
its so much fun \o/
I've done it to Against All Authority, for weeks on end. They ignored me |
Gonada
Gallente R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.08.09 12:58:00 -
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omg, please go back to wow you babies.
seriously, all of you whiners need to learn how to play the game or gth out.
Please, jump into traffic
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Janu Hull
Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 08:16:28
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55 AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich? Washing their hands? bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
or god forbit looking up ****.......not that id ever do such a thing >_>
You're afk cloaked in a system for 23/7: Wake up. Log on to main after dt. You go to work. You take the kids to soccer practice, you pork the misses. You do two missions with your alt in empire. You pick up the kids from practice. You check your afk cloaker in the system. You eat dinner. You go to bed.
Valid Game Mechanic or Grief?
Two reasons its Valid:
1. Reconnaissance (identifying the comings and goings in system to identify off-peak times and operational vulnerabilities)
2. Psy-ops (you demonstrate that this obviously works) In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.08.09 13:35:00 -
[57]
that is incorrect, CCP endorses a game where you might actually have to leave the screen once in a while.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.09 13:52:00 -
[58]
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Karentaki
Gallente Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:02:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
I highlighted the important part. This means that you can rat for 22.5 hours a day in perfect safety.
Also, have you ever considered using bait - fit a BS for lots of EHP and tackle, and set up a trap.
1. Bait 2. He uncloaks 3. Kill him 4. ??? 5. PROFIT
============= RE: The suicide nerf
Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say,
Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
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Orar Ironfist
Digital assassins
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:20:00 -
[60]
"Hey look at me i fail so hard that i cant kill this 1 guy in a system. Please CCP change it so he cant be there so i can farm all day with no risk at all! "
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:31:00 -
[61]
Just had to.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:32:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Orar Ironfist "Hey look at me i fail so hard that i cant kill this 1 guy in a system. Please CCP change it so he cant be there so i can farm all day with no risk at all! "
You can't kill him fail bunny, that's the thing you dbag. He chooses fights, times, location, and is nano'd so he can disengage if the system #'s explode.
It'll be more difficult after nano's get the dose of medicine, but that doesnt eliminate the griefing aspect; the fact that you can sit in a system for however long you want, and be invincible. ----------------- Friends Forever |
Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:34:00 -
[63]
Edited by: Righteous Fury on 09/08/2008 14:35:47
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg You can't kill him fail bunny, that's the thing you dbag. He chooses fights, times, location, and is nano'd so he can disengage if the system #'s explode.
It'll be more difficult after nano's get the dose of medicine, but that doesnt eliminate the griefing aspect; the fact that you can sit in a system for however long you want, and be invincible.
No, the fact of the matter is you can either bait him out and kill him or make yourself a less opportune target by not using a retarded npc fit; something that you've quite handily pointed out throughout the course of this thread that is clearly beyond your intellect, or you're just too self-absorbed to handle it.
Shouldn't you be off to kindergarten or something soon?
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Ihrda Siharkhail
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.09 14:44:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg ..griefing..
lol
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Mia Trask
Caldari Star Horizons Rule of Three
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:04:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Kazang ...And in case you havnt noticed in eve an awful lot of people will do stuff just to annoy you, because its fun, get used to it.
nice one pinning that to my sig ----------------- Profanity warning
Originally by: Kazang ...And in case you havnt noticed in eve an awful lot of people will do stuff just to annoy yo |
Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:20:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Orar Ironfist "Hey look at me i fail so hard that i cant kill this 1 guy in a system. Please CCP change it so he cant be there so i can farm all day with no risk at all! "
You can't kill him fail bunny, that's the thing you dbag. He chooses fights, times, location, and is nano'd so he can disengage if the system #'s explode.
It'll be more difficult after nano's get the dose of medicine, but that doesnt eliminate the griefing aspect; the fact that you can sit in a system for however long you want, and be invincible.
Bait him with a raven with Heavy neuts and a cloaked rapier.
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:28:00 -
[67]
All of this for little ol' me?
I'm sorry.
-hOr
PS Rade if ANYONE sends me 0.1 isk, I'm ocming to 'visit' you... PSS You should be worried I play 23/7
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Jones Bones
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:29:00 -
[68]
Griefing, in my 0.0?
But seriously, it's 0.0. Player controlled space. Learn to control your space or go back to empire.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:31:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg griefing
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DesuSigs |
Team leader
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:36:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin For the single reason that you're whining about one guy in local threatening your space, it's a valid (and good) game-mechanic.
whining newb
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Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:38:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Orar Ironfist "Hey look at me i fail so hard that i cant kill this 1 guy in a system. Please CCP change it so he cant be there so i can farm all day with no risk at all! "
You can't kill him fail bunny, that's the thing you dbag. He chooses fights, times, location, and is nano'd so he can disengage if the system #'s explode.
It'll be more difficult after nano's get the dose of medicine, but that doesnt eliminate the griefing aspect; the fact that you can sit in a system for however long you want, and be invincible.
I honestly can't believe that your posting this....ffs
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Bodhisattvas
Wife BEATERS
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Posted - 2008.08.09 15:55:00 -
[72]
Nothing like afk cloaking and listen to 'Music to watch the bears go by"
Best of both worlds...
Initially bears get a mental hernia cos your in system and when you can be arsed to come back to keyboard the bears are merrily doing their thang in the belts....you warps in cloaked triple point arazu shortly followed by damage main.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:19:00 -
[73]
The terror is in the system.
All 1 of them. Ooowww. Soooooo scary.
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Lapsos Mardik
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:20:00 -
[74]
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mantium
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:35:00 -
[75]
Can i lick youre tears, please? Youre basicly asking for people to take their alts and move them to safespots in systems you use just to **** you off.. You do know that? do you?
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FluterEx
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:37:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
Well if your corp and/or alliance cant handle this alone than you have a problem thats more seriouse than the AFK cloaker. And BTW hes AFK and cant hurt anybody like this and if you are ratting or mining you should get some of your friends to fly with you ffs. ---------------------------------------
Only the dead have seen the end of war. |
Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:48:00 -
[77]
Originally by: mantium Can i lick youre tears, please? Youre basicly asking for people to take their alts and move them to safespots in systems you use just to **** you off.. You do know that? do you?
Teachers tell you in elementary school that 'if you just ignore those bullies, they'll go away.'
But real life doesn't work that way. Bust the bullies nose, make a few friends of your own, take measures to protect yourself. Those teachers won't do anything but put YOU in trouble when you defend yourself. They don't stop the bullies. And ignoring them only passes it on to others, or gets you picked on harder.
And by everything that is holy, DONT cry to a teacher about it. Cause then those mean kids know they have you worked up and cornered, and will just press harder.
Don't be naive. Either set yourself up to bust the bullies nose, or get some friends, or just leave. I think that the 'immunity' of cloaking needs to be adjusted SLIGHTLY, but all this post is doing is feeding the bullies.
That's the way I see it, anyway.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |
Sacul
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:57:00 -
[78]
I for one am schocked and stunned! Never in my eve career have i seen a individual stoop to such lows. ..appaled...not so much angry as sad...yes, i am sad. Ghost you made me sad. D-R please leave my alliance in 24 hours, your tactics are not respected by the E-cowards.
sad sad panda
p.s. stop ganking mah targets!
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Alex Eclipse
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Posted - 2008.08.09 16:59:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Alex Eclipse on 09/08/2008 16:59:28 nvm
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:00:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Feilamya Here's an idea how to fix AFK cloaking:
Make cloakers invisible in local.
omg YES!
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:00:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Sacul I for one am schocked and stunned! Never in my eve career have i seen a individual stoop to such lows. ..appaled...not so much angry as sad...yes, i am sad. Ghost you made me sad. D-R please leave my alliance in 24 hours, your tactics are not respected by the E-cowards.
sad sad panda
p.s. stop ganking mah targets!
Well Frig...
-hOr
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:07:00 -
[82]
Edited by: Aaron Mirrorsaver on 09/08/2008 17:09:16 if i was your ceo id kick you out just for spewing this rubbish, but probably never have recruited you.... geez...
complaining about a cloaker in your system? you feel under pressure? btw what system/region is it?
and how do you know hes afk, just because you dont see him and he doesnt make a move to attack doesnt mean he is afk, you assume he is.
and welcome once again to 2006! ------
GBC old timer. AKA "the dude"
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Bei Bao
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.09 17:12:00 -
[83]
Well he must be afk since he is whoring his own thread! quick this your chance to kill a few rats!!
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:22:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
You can't kill him fail bunny, that's the thing you dbag. He chooses fights, times, location, and is nano'd so he can disengage if the system #'s explode.
Put your money where your mouth is. Here's the deal. If I can kill him, you owe me 10 billion isk (just to make it interesting). It'll be much harder for me than for you guys since I'm not blue to you. If I can't, I'll wholeheartedly support your silly cause. So, you up for it?
If not, stop posting.
Afk cloaking is one of the last working in-game mechanics to deal with 0.0 farmers. It's sorely needed.
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Akiama
Gallente Shugotenshi Genkuro
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:29:00 -
[85]
There needs to be a POS scanning array module that can defeat a cloaked ship, given enough time. _______________________________________________________________ "Nice work dumbass." "I've given some thought to moving off the edge. Not an ideal location...maybe a place in the middle." |
Gary Webb
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:32:00 -
[86]
Yes, lets keep nerfing every game mechanic until we're playing "Lost in Space" the MMO...
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Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:37:00 -
[87]
I think that there is a legitimate problem with cloaking being invulnerable, but I think there should be nothing that completely disarms it. Maybe allow the shipboard scanner to identify that there is a 'mysterious signal' in a given direction and a general distance?
No probing. No identifying exactly the ship, etc, etc. Just a signal, and a direction. The distance is not even completely accurate. Allow players who are mining, ratting, missioning, etc ... if they are at the keys, the ability to spot when a cloaker is near them. Nothing more.
Don't make the entire purpose of cloaks nul and void. Though, it may need to be adjusted to where non-covert ops ships can't maintain an infinite cloak, or the cloak isn't 100%. The cloak should do what it does, but it's use in ships like pwnage BS's needs to be looked at.
Just my opinion.
So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |
Gaius Terium
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:40:00 -
[88]
For the love of God, it's nullsec. Dangerous, lawless player-controlled space. If what you are saying is that nullsec should be perfectly safe, then you seem to be confused about the definition of nullsec. If you want to make money safely, then go run lvl 4's in highsec. And, besides, all you have to do is rat in groups, or bait.
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Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:41:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Why should I have to go to another system (they always choose the best) to accommodate for his 'valid' game mechanics....
Exactly! I couldn't agree more! Why should anyone have to deal with anyone else in an MMO? I'm petitioning this right away!
I'm shocked. Just shocked.
Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
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Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:45:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Ruze I think that there is a legitimate problem with cloaking being invulnerable, but I think there should be nothing that completely disarms it. Maybe allow the shipboard scanner to identify that there is a 'mysterious signal' in a given direction and a general distance?
No probing. No identifying exactly the ship, etc, etc. Just a signal, and a direction. The distance is not even completely accurate. Allow players who are mining, ratting, missioning, etc ... if they are at the keys, the ability to spot when a cloaker is near them. Nothing more.
Don't make the entire purpose of cloaks nul and void. Though, it may need to be adjusted to where non-covert ops ships can't maintain an infinite cloak, or the cloak isn't 100%. The cloak should do what it does, but it's use in ships like pwnage BS's needs to be looked at.
Just my opinion.
yes, because currently there are just entirely too few tools to keep ratters and miners safe...
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Krows
Caldari Resource Reallocators Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:46:00 -
[91]
I'm posting in this thread just to say that the OP is terrible.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
The Maverick Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:47:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Aerieva Rat in pairs or use the system next door, leet afk cloaking tactic overcome.
Station system? Only a handful of good ratting systems? Why should regular players put up with griefing?
Any responses?
So what if it's a station system? Move to the neighboring system, setup some GSC's, drop loot in them and haul them next door to the station when the cans are full. ==================================================
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Concorduck
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:50:00 -
[93]
Valid game mechanic. just. remove. non. recon. cloaking. -----------------------------------------
Originally by: Crumplecorn Contact the CSM about it, voting themselves into disbandment wouldn't be pushing the boundaries of absurdity for them.
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Viqtoria
Caldari Groping Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:50:00 -
[94]
I would comment on this but the player base give so many damn conflicting arguements depending on what they want at that particular time, it's really not worth the time to think it out.
A way to scan out ships that are cloaked will inevitably happen as eve evolves, so it's just a matter of time. Please keep your signature on-topic.
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Druadan
Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:50:00 -
[95]
I'm undecided on whether or not AFK cloakers are a problem. One of the things people, those who reply "he's AFK, what can he possibly do while not at the controls?", are missing is that the problem isn't him being AFK, it's that he is AFK and unfindable. This means he can sit there for ages, go and play something else, go to the movies, whatever, and by the time he's come back the inhabitants of the space are thinking "**** it, he's AFK, he's just trying to spook us". Then he uncloaks and pounces. He is risk free until he engages, and the fact that he can sit there like Jack Sparrow while everything else acclimatises to him, then lash a couple of sea turtles together and kill a ratter is, in my eyes, a problem. That is to say it's a problem to the people whose space he is in.
What I'm undecided on is whether or not it is a problem to the game; whether or not CCP need to fix it. One the one hand I would say he's not going to do anything to people who are in groups, especially after the nano nerf where it might be possible to actually fight back. On the other hand, there's nothing really the alliance can do to take the AFK cloaker down. That's why he's cloaking, so no one can touch him. You can rally people together in defence, but you realise pretty quickly that the guy's an AFK cloaker so you're not going to get him 'cause he's not stupid enough to pounce while there's a fleet looking for him. So he does exactly what I've said up top: goes AFK, comes back an hour or so later and looks for an opportunity to pounce. To counter him, you get two or three people ratting together and hope that they can take him down together. If he's nano'd you put a huginn in there, but if you put a huginn in there he's not going to engage, so you put a rapier in there and all he does is warp 10km behind the ratters cloaked. So you've got squads of two ratters and a rapier going round just to be safe from one guy.
In some ways that's part of the nano problem, so I'd like to wait until after the nerf to see how much of an effect AFK cloaked recons still have on the game. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
Ruze
Amarr No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:53:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Viqtoria I would comment on this but the player base give so many damn conflicting arguements depending on what they want at that particular time, it's really not worth the time to think it out.
A way to scan out ships that are cloaked will inevitably happen as eve evolves, so it's just a matter of time.
I give conflicting arguments a lot of times. Mostly it's because I think that both sides are correct given their own take on the argument. I try not to do so in the same post, though.
Sometimes it's because, after reading a good counter argument, I change my take on a subject. Usually not an entire 180, but I have been known to 'see the light' and go another way.
And sometimes it's just fun
So you want security? That's perfectly alright. But you should be willing to trade freedom and profit for that security. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:55:00 -
[97]
AFK cloakers train your situational awareness. -
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Traidor Disloyal
NightCrew
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Posted - 2008.08.09 18:58:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
CCP do something about this pure *********
I have always been told that 0.0 is where the real men live. Maybe they meant the real whinners?
--------------------------------------------- Love is having a second account with a cov ops pilot |
Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.09 19:01:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 08:08:46
Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:51:09 Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:50:51
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
Everyone forgets things, like logging.
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon.
But then whining carebears who can't fit PvP ships to fight through ganks wouldn't come to the forums crying...
What then?
Oh yea, cause the problem is Im just not fighting him. That all I have to do is hop in a nano of my own and take him down.
Oh wait, he's cloaked.
And carebear? Watch your tongue little boy, even bears eat berries.
And fight through ganks? What? Have you even read the thread? Cloakers dont gate camp, so there's nothing to 'fight through'.
LOL That was cute. And by fight through, he meant setup your ship so that when he uncloaks you can gank him. Learn to play the game. Hint: Neuts? --
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Plimbaret
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:12:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Plimbaret on 09/08/2008 21:13:36 Edited by: Plimbaret on 09/08/2008 21:13:16
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 08:08:46
Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:51:09 Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:50:51
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
Everyone forgets things, like logging.
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon.
But then whining carebears who can't fit PvP ships to fight through ganks wouldn't come to the forums crying...
What then?
Oh yea, cause the problem is Im just not fighting him. That all I have to do is hop in a nano of my own and take him down.
Oh wait, he's cloaked.
And carebear? Watch your tongue little boy, even bears eat berries.
And fight through ganks? What? Have you even read the thread? Cloakers dont gate camp, so there's nothing to 'fight through'.
you sir is what's wrong with eve, people finding problems instead of solutions
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Psychotic Turtle
Minmatar Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:15:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
All my hard work and i do not even get mentioned once, i am fed up! Leaving your space immediately in search of recongnition elsewhere!
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:32:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Psychotic Turtle
All my hard work and i do not even get mentioned once, i am fed up! Leaving your space immediately in search of recongnition elsewhere!
Haha... This!
hOr > PT ... Finaly some proof.
-hOr
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Xzar Fyrarr
Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:42:00 -
[103]
Cookie Cookie Cookie YOU NEED COOKIE
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:43:00 -
[104]
If he is afk, he is not a danger to you. If he is not afk, then you have no point.
If the issue is that it is not possible for you to know when he is afk or not, and therefore his presence (while afk) hinders you, then I await your posts asking CCP to remove local so that it is no longer possible for him to terrorize you while afk.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler We are pleased to aim!
Or was that the other way around?
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Zinras
Caldari Order of draugr
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Posted - 2008.08.09 21:50:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Zinras on 09/08/2008 21:50:47 So it's like this. You know he's AFK 90% of the day, at least, and that he's all by himself? And why is it you're not flying out in something that can survive a stealth bomber if you're that scared of being attacked?
Originally by: CCP Greyscale *moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal*
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire That si a fact comming out from my bran.
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:55:00 -
[106]
Just to chime in my personal stand:
The tactic doesn't really fit Eve's theme, and should be fixed by CCP. Then again, while it works and is allowed, shouldn't blame people for using it.
-Lasse feeling the same about nanoed big ships
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2008.08.09 22:58:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg Edited by: Haniblecter Teg on 09/08/2008 07:42:42
Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55 AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich? Washing their hands? bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
How about giong to work for 10 hours like the guy I mentioned.
****.
And if you're playing eve and need to get a sammich all of the sudden....LOG OUT! Dont stay safe and secure in your silly recon.
So this guy is afk doing nothing ... I thought you said he was ratting the system all the day? Whats the issue? He cant do anything, you don't have enough people in system to matter .. How is he affecting you?
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Carrier Eleven
Gallente EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.08.10 00:52:00 -
[108]
Gee, I guess the OP's alliance should have bought the "PL keep us safe in our purchased constellation" option when they bought the area. Too bad for them.
Its called "area (or resource) denial" and is a valid tactic.
Whining will not change it....oh, wait....
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.10 00:55:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 10/08/2008 00:56:31 Edited by: Khlitouris RegusII on 10/08/2008 00:56:16
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Orar Ironfist "Hey look at me i fail so hard that i cant kill this 1 guy in a system. Please CCP change it so he cant be there so i can farm all day with no risk at all! "
You can't kill him fail bunny, that's the thing you dbag. He chooses fights, times, location, and is nano'd so he can disengage if the system #'s explode.
It'll be more difficult after nano's get the dose of medicine, but that doesnt eliminate the griefing aspect; the fact that you can sit in a system for however long you want, and be invincible.
So he isn't an AFK cloaker then he is actually there and playing the game? WTF are you crying like a 2month old whose lost his dummy for then?
Oh and better make it so ships cant dock then cause you dont want people sitting in a system as long as they want and be INVINCIBLE.
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Vuxacha
VTECHS
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Posted - 2008.08.10 04:26:00 -
[110]
Im a covert ops pilot. I think its a b/s tactic but I've seen em suffer for it. Especially bombers.
I got so bored of it once (as the covert op) I started scouting the belts and telling the enemy alliance which ones had officers/convoys. I'd also drop a small mob warp disruptor outside their refining station and stuff. Ah what a tedious job.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.10 06:50:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 10/08/2008 06:50:35 Am i getting that now, not only do people want nano's nerfed, but they think RECONS are UNFAIR?
C/D recons are known for there overwhelming solo firepower?
seriously?
GTFO
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Tao Han
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.10 08:40:00 -
[112]
Complaints about AFK cloaking really has nothing to do with the afk part.
You cant possibly know if someone is afk, they might be there waiting, sneaking up behind you. You would not know.
So it really is a complaint about cloakingdevices being overpowered, just slightly diguised.
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.10 08:57:00 -
[113]
Just an observation;
If you can't kill a cloaked ship when he uncloaks, how exactly are you going to kill him when (with your newly provided cloak-nerf module) you uncloak him?
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:16:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ulric Denrai The real grievers are the cloakers ,not that alliance where people put years of time in ,then go to 0.0 .
Why are they grieving though there pet bunny snowy die?
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Joiske
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:35:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin For the single reason that you're whining about one guy in local threatening your space, it's a valid (and good) game-mechanic.
no its not, as your not actually playing eve 99.5% of the time you are afk cloaked, so in fact its borderline greifing and does nothing to be a good game mechanic.
this has come up time and time again, the simple and most logocal solution is to put a timer on the cloak, cloak more than 30 mins you decloak with a a 5 min decloak window, you wont be able to activate the cloak for 5 min. If you are afk away in real from your computer at that time, tough tittie, you'll get scanned out and popped, that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:40:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Joiske that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
And what is the issue exactly? That some are too afraid to venture outside when there's a single enemy in the system?
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:48:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Joiske
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin For the single reason that you're whining about one guy in local threatening your space, it's a valid (and good) game-mechanic.
no its not, as your not actually playing eve 99.5% of the time you are afk cloaked, so in fact its borderline greifing and does nothing to be a good game mechanic.
this has come up time and time again, the simple and most logocal solution is to put a timer on the cloak, cloak more than 30 mins you decloak with a a 5 min decloak window, you wont be able to activate the cloak for 5 min. If you are afk away in real from your computer at that time, tough tittie, you'll get scanned out and popped, that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
Why? if the person whose cloaked is AFK they are no threat if they arent AFK then whats up? why are people so ****ing thick on this forum?
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Joiske
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Posted - 2008.08.10 11:52:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Joiske that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
And what is the issue exactly? That some are too afraid to venture outside when there's a single enemy in the system?
the issue is that the person who is cloaked in the system 23/7 isnt actually sitting at his computer playing eve, he chooses his time to attack/grief.
I do not want cloaking nurfed to the extent that they become scanable, that is not the point, cloaks should not, never be able to be probed out. What is unbalanced is that fact that the cloak is a passive mod, that enables someone to sit in a system 23/7 and actually not be playing eve for 95% of the time there character is sat in that system.
This, you patheic little boy, is the problem. It is quite funny to see, that every post that is valid in the face of it a balancing issues, it seems as it is the same lame ass whiners that dont like the 'balancing' cause it means they would have to 'work' to achieve what they desire in game.
so, you and you lame ass 'afk cloaking' is a valid tatic can take a running jump and return to 'hello kitty online'
making the cloak a non passive mod would also go a long way to resolving the isk farmers, cause safe spotting and cloaking is no longer a real option. It should also be said that there needs to be a timer between being cloaked and logging off. If you log off cloaked, your ship should decloak and a 10 min cool down window should happen, as in you log, your ship uncloaks but is scanable for 10 mins...
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:02:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Joiske
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Joiske that is imho the best way to 'balance' the cloaking issue.
And what is the issue exactly? That some are too afraid to venture outside when there's a single enemy in the system?
the issue is that the person who is cloaked in the system 23/7 isnt actually sitting at his computer playing eve, he chooses his time to attack/grief.
I do not want cloaking nurfed to the extent that they become scanable, that is not the point, cloaks should not, never be able to be probed out. What is unbalanced is that fact that the cloak is a passive mod, that enables someone to sit in a system 23/7 and actually not be playing eve for 95% of the time there character is sat in that system.
This, you patheic little boy, is the problem. It is quite funny to see, that every post that is valid in the face of it a balancing issues, it seems as it is the same lame ass whiners that dont like the 'balancing' cause it means they would have to 'work' to achieve what they desire in game.
so, you and you lame ass 'afk cloaking' is a valid tatic can take a running jump and return to 'hello kitty online'
making the cloak a non passive mod would also go a long way to resolving the isk farmers, cause safe spotting and cloaking is no longer a real option. It should also be said that there needs to be a timer between being cloaked and logging off. If you log off cloaked, your ship should decloak and a 10 min cool down window should happen, as in you log, your ship uncloaks but is scanable for 10 mins...
Well if the cloaker chooses the optimal moment to attack isnt that the point??? And whose fault is it exactly that this cloaked ship is given an optimal moment to attack? Well what d'ya know - its yours.
The question really is - where is your support against this ebil lone cloaker?
Might I hazard a guess all your support is 15 jumps away blobing a gate? And if they weren't so busy blobing a gate theyd actually be in the same system as you providing protection? Hmm?
And don't call people 'pathetic little boys' it makes your argument so much weaker as a result.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:06:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Joiske the issue is that the person who is cloaked in the system 23/7 isnt actually sitting at his computer playing eve, he chooses his time to attack/grief.
So? If someone is on the hunt, he already chooses his time to attack, cloaked or not.
Quote: What is unbalanced is that fact that the cloak is a passive mod, that enables someone to sit in a system 23/7 and actually not be playing eve for 95% of the time there character is sat in that system.
…and again, how is not playing ≡v≡ a problem?
If he's not playing, he's not a problem. If he is playing, and choose to attack, you kill him — not a problem.
Also, the whole idea of the cloaker "griefing" people keeps popping up. What does this griefing consist of?
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Pazreal
Gallente The Defias Brotherhood
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:08:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Pazreal on 10/08/2008 12:08:31 I laugh so much...Go DR!
Nerf Ghosthor and Turtles!
It's worth another .1 isk!
Ghosthor!~ I never knew you could stir so much crap...afk too?!
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Joiske
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:16:00 -
[122]
ah.. as they say, the truth hurts.....
anyway, what dont you get ?
the simple fact is i and many other eve players dont have the luxury to play eve all hours of the day, i have a life outside of eve, i log in i want to pew pew, mine, rat etc as does the majority of players, then i do as the game is designed - log off.
What the afk cloaker does is, log in go and has a real life in his / her time zone and then when they feel like killing something, sit at their computer to see whats in local, 5 secs later they decide nothing juicey enough, they continue with real life, rinse and repeat.... then on one occassion they decide to take a 'peek' at local in their real life schedule they see a nice fat juicey target, uncloak scram and bam.... collect the loot, warp off cloak and return to getting ready to go down the pub and contine as before.
In fact i go as far to say that these guys that do this are doing it with an alt. so when they actually do decide do play eve as it was desigend to be played, with a player sitting at his pc, they play with their main running nice lev 4's in empire whilst on the second screen they have their 'afk' cloaker.....
still i stand by with what i said before, cloaks should not be passive mods ....
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:20:00 -
[123]
So - youre saying we should nerf a module because someone can go and do something else? What's next? Stations? POSs?
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Joiske
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:29:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Cailais So - youre saying we should nerf a module because someone can go and do something else? What's next? Stations? POSs?
C.
I am glad you bought that issue up
The fact is that someone is in 'hostile' terriorty and cant dock anyway (with the expection of npc 0.0). Also your in a hostile system, you wont have a pos, unless you and your corp set up one in local, but hey, you play alone as a afk cloaker, when are you going to set up a pos, alone ? mmm no .. didnt think so... sorry i got to laugh just dont really see what your getting at here
back on track please ... dont derail the discussion, which ia about cloking and being away from the computer.. you have issues about being away while docked or in a pos, go start a new post about those .. completely irrelevent points ...
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:38:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Joiske
Originally by: Cailais So - youre saying we should nerf a module because someone can go and do something else? What's next? Stations? POSs?
C.
I am glad you bought that issue up
The fact is that someone is in 'hostile' terriorty and cant dock anyway (with the expection of npc 0.0). Also your in a hostile system, you wont have a pos, unless you and your corp set up one in local, but hey, you play alone as a afk cloaker, when are you going to set up a pos, alone ? mmm no .. didnt think so... sorry i got to laugh just dont really see what your getting at here
back on track please ... dont derail the discussion, which ia about cloking and being away from the computer.. you have issues about being away while docked or in a pos, go start a new post about those .. completely irrelevent points ...
Ah, I see. But help me to understand something here. If Im alone, and cloaked in a hostile system - i.e a system controled by my enemies - how on earth am I able to attack anyone?? Surely there are other ships in this 'hostile' system? No?
Oh - there aren't any? There's just one guy ratting? Well then - its not very hostile is it? Again we come back to the question - where is your support?
And you cant answer that can you? Because if youve got no support then you're not really controling the system, and therefore can expect to be attacked. And if you have got support then the cloaked ship isnt an issue is it?
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Joiske
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Posted - 2008.08.10 12:56:00 -
[126]
this, is it.. you have hit the nail on the head completely ...
Quote: If Im alone, and cloaked in a hostile system - i.e a system controled by my enemies - how on earth am I able to attack anyone??
Someone playing the game as cloaker will only attack when the situation suits him or her. so you wouldnt attack in that system in the majority of cases, you'd move on and find a system that you can find a nice target to attack.
The point is, in the majority of cases cloakers will pick systems that arent full of hostiles, reknowed to be ratting or mining systems which is a viable tatic, i never disputed the tatic of a cloaker doing this, what is in dispute is the fact that the said player is cloaked in the system 23/7.
When in fact phyiscally, it is not possible to play eve 23/7, you log in you play, you log off your not in system you are out of game.
Quote: where is your support
the support could be next door, 2 systems away ... not quite sure what the point of this question is tbh ... as the topic is about characters being in a system 23/7 when the person 'supposingly' controlling the character is sitting at his her computer 23/7 .. can you read ... no didnt think so... because i have never in any of my post said nurf the cloaks, nor have i said nurf the cloaking tatic as a means to harrass the enenmy, whether its the miners / ratters.... what this discusiion is all about is the fact that a character is logged into game 23/7 without the player sitting at his/ her computer 23/7 ... and therefore the way to prevent this from happening is to make the cloak mod non passive which would restore the balance of risk v reward ... ..
Whats the problem with a small tweak like this ? answer that question ...
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.10 13:45:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Joiske this, is it.. you have hit the nail on the head completely ...
Quote: If Im alone, and cloaked in a hostile system - i.e a system controled by my enemies - how on earth am I able to attack anyone??
Someone playing the game as cloaker will only attack when the situation suits him or her. so you wouldnt attack in that system in the majority of cases, you'd move on and find a system that you can find a nice target to attack.
So, there you are. Defend the system and the opportunist cloaked attacker will leave.
Now, it may not be possible to achieve a very high level of mutual support and defense if your corp/alliance are spread across EVE. This is a tactical problem for your Alliance / Corp to resolve - i.e your real sphere of influence over a region will wax and wane according to TZ and players online.
If youre unlucky and you happen to play at a time when your Alliance / corp is weak then yes: youre at risk from attack from a predatory cloaker. Act accordingly, you're the equivalent of the 'night watch'. Cloaked ships are designed to harrass the enemy, to prey upon the enemy when they are weak. - I think we agree on this.
Consider however your argument for the cloaked pilot. If he logs on to your system; what is your reaction as a lone ratter (probably the cloakers only real target of opportunity)? I assume you dock up say at a POS. Now you can wait, as at some stage he must either leave, or log off. > cloaked ship defeated.
Its a game of infinite patience really. Without the unlimited cloak duration you (the prey) know you can out last the cloaker. e.g: He's cloaked, in the system ergo - hes actively hunting: Ill wait.
Nobody would ever therefore place themselves at risk in a system with a cloaked ship in it - thus cloaks would be practically uses for the purpose described above.
The ultimate solution in my view is a mix of your idea (cloaks must be 'active' or fueled in some fashion and the cloaked ships player is removed from Local channel. Then players who take risks ratting alone might be attacked by active recon pilots.
C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Adaline Gray
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Posted - 2008.08.10 13:47:00 -
[128]
Add some sort of fuel usage to cloaks.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.10 13:55:00 -
[129]
Solution: Stop being a ****** and move to another system. Adapt, like OP has been saying through 100+ pages, quite ironical.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.10 15:09:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Joiske
Whats the problem with a small tweak like this ? answer that question ...
The answer is your a *****, plain and simple
How do i know?
Originally by: Joiske the issue is that the person who is cloaked in the system 23/7 isnt actually sitting at his computer playing eve, he chooses his time to attack/grief.
I bolded the important bit.
You see ANY ATTACK on you while mining or ratting as greifing. YOUR IN 0.0 YOU *******, get a grip.
You want to change the entire way that RECON SHIPS, some of the lowest DPS SHIPS IN GAME, work, just cause you fail at having ANY SORT of testicular fortitude.
EVE is not your personal playground, it is not The Barrens, set aside just for you. You put yourself in the area you are in, IF you don't like it, its simple, just gtfo and go back to Empire, then you don't need to worry as much about the AFK cloakers.
I even bet in the same breath as crying for this nerf, you put cloaks on your ratting raven right? Cause thats fair.
Its a recon, its sole job is to stay hidden, cloaked, ALL THE ****ING TIME DIPSHIT.
Ive watched this thread for 5 pages, watching you whine up a ****ing sh*t storm, and its just amazed me that you don't get that fact. How is it broken, how is it unbalanced? They pay for the ability to cloak by having crap tanks, and sh*t DPS.
You signed up to play a PVP oriented game, which means that every time somebody attacks you, they ARE NOT GRIEFING YOU INTOLERABLE ***GOT
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.08.10 15:43:00 -
[131]
fail Trashed sig, Shark was here |
itorius
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.10 16:47:00 -
[132]
Edited by: itorius on 10/08/2008 16:49:33 ito > have u had many 0.01 isk's? Ghost > no not really ito > lol we will have make it public ito > big time ito > ghosttthor's mission to remove transfer of 0.01 isk please send him some now Ghost > ... Ghost > i hate you ito > lol
if u want to hurt him send him 0.01isk he hates it..
Edit: and how do you really know when he is afk that is the point in the option of this kind of warfare..
\o lol
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Joiske
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:02:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Joiske on 10/08/2008 17:05:02 lol
the hate, tha anger, the attitudes .. its amazing ...
you guys really just dont get it do you, i am not whining, i actually support 100% the cloaking function, i completely support the ability to cloak and hit your target, i completely support the sitting cloaked in a system .... but what i and alot of people dont support is the sit in system cloaked while you out down the pub, in bed, working, playing another game etc etc and not actually playing eve ... you tell me where i miss the point ... you away from the computer, your NOT playing eve, you have left your character online, cloaked in a system until you decide you have time to play...
get a life, this is wrong on so many levels ....
the fact is cloaks need to be made non passive, whats wrong with that ? you the cloaker playing eve will not have an issue with this slight tweak as you are playing the game and need to make a small adaption to you play style for 5 mins ... that my friend is adapting.....and making a change that makes alot of sense ...
oh yes, i signed up to play a pvp game, i signed up to PLAY ... not go down the pub, sleep, work while i am logged on ...
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:07:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Joiske you tell me where i miss the point ... you away from the computer, your NOT playing eve, you have left your character online, cloaked in a system until you decide you have time to play...
The point you're missing is that there has never been any decent explanation of why this is so wrong.
So what if he's not by the computer? So what that he can choose when to play? What difference does it make?
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Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:14:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Grath Telkin on 10/08/2008 17:15:17
Originally by: Joiske
the fact is cloaks need to be made non passive, whats wrong with that ? you the cloaker playing eve will not have an issue with this slight tweak as you are playing the game and need to make a small adaption to you play style for 5 mins ... that my friend is adapting.....and making a change that makes alot of sense ...
ITS A RECON ******, THATS PART OF ITS JOB YOU DOUCHE BAG
EDIT: you are the whiniest piece of sh*t to ever play this game, hands down. 5 minute down time on a cloak, IDIOT, with the weakest tank on any cruiser sized ship, and NO real firepower, your stupid ass idea would end the recons as a playable ship.
Your an idiot
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Grath Telkin
Amarr The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.10 17:18:00 -
[136]
you know what, on second though, just quit, you suck, your wasting valuable bandwith.
OR, use your brain and set him up, set a TRAP (omg, i know, what a revelation)
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.10 18:56:00 -
[137]
My 2 ISKs.
If he's AFK he can't do anything, not even report on ship movements. The thing is, you don't know if he's AFK or not, think of it as EVE's equivalent of psychological warfare
Or, how about you propose a solution, something like:
Give cloaking devices an invisibility level, meaning that ships designed for them can go 100% invisible and the lesser cloaking devices have a limit to how much mass they can cloak effectively. Maybe others could see the shimmer that a cloaking ship's pilot can see (or you see after every jump gate before moving).
The true cloaking ships are invulnerable to scanning but a cloaked, non black ops, BS on the other hand isn't, it's just harder to pinpoint.
There are loads of ways to improve the current misuse of cloaks, especially on 0.0 NPCing BSs, and most have been discussed at great length.
Basically your OP is a simple whine without proposing a realistic alternative. I'll go get you some cheese now ..... --
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.10 22:19:00 -
[138]
I bet if CCP made strip miners that worked cloaked it would be a different story.
Anyway... my changes would be:
1. Non-covops cloaks have a maximum runtime based on you cloaking skill and the quality of the cloak. i.e. faction cloaks have a longer run time than t2 etc. 2. When you're cloaked you disappear from local and local disappears for you too and your scanner reduces down to the grid your in, 3. At no time should any stupid probe be able to detect where a cloaked ship is, 4. Possibly.. have an area of effect module which has a chance to de-cloak ships (forcerecons = very hard to decloak, cov-ops = hard to decloak, other cloaked ships = less hard etc.). Probably make it a HIC or logistics only module. They can patrol the grid with a much larger chance of decloaking ships, and cov-ops, if they want to know what's going on, need to be near gates...
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.10 22:23:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter I bet if CCP made strip miners that worked cloaked it would be a different story.
Anyway... my changes would be:
1. Non-covops cloaks have a maximum runtime based on you cloaking skill and the quality of the cloak. i.e. faction cloaks have a longer run time than t2 etc. 2. When you're cloaked you disappear from local and local disappears for you too and your scanner reduces down to the grid your in, 3. At no time should any stupid probe be able to detect where a cloaked ship is, 4. Possibly.. have an area of effect module which has a chance to de-cloak ships (forcerecons = very hard to decloak, cov-ops = hard to decloak, other cloaked ships = less hard etc.). Probably make it a HIC or logistics only module. They can patrol the grid with a much larger chance of decloaking ships, and cov-ops, if they want to know what's going on, need to be near gates...
all of this would be pretty cool, except the impact on super caps. I'm pretty sure just about every titan fits a cloak of some sort to hide before/after the DD, and when moving about in general. This would castrate them. Not that I mind, but the rush of folks plowing into systems to kill the titans would melt the servers.
IF something like this went through, stealth bombers, recons (cov ops only, not combat recons), covops, and blackops would need to be immune to the timers, it is after all their main strength, and THEIR JOB
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.08.11 06:11:00 -
[140]
Hmm, according to my agent, Teg is located at The Fluf Factory station in the 7BX-6F system, Chimera constellation of Fountain region.
*** logs on Arazu...***
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Siddy
Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.11 06:24:00 -
[141]
i got all soving solution to this problem that will benefit both parties.
nerf local chat
This way carebear dont need to be afraid for 10 hours; its humain that the poor animal xperince only 60 second of pain when being gankked.
And pirates will have it so much more easier. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint |
RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.11 07:22:00 -
[142]
The reasoning behind "nerf-cloaks" just makes me laugh immensely.
I'll support a cloak nerf/timer/other **** the same day POS's and stations randomly eject all occupants to random locations around a system every 15 minutes....actually this would be pretty funny .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.11 07:25:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Joiske lol
the hate, tha anger, the attitudes .. its amazing ...
.... but what i and alot of people dont support is the sit in system cloaked while you out down the pub, in bed, working, playing another game etc etc and not actually playing eve ... you tell me where i miss the point ... you away from the computer, your NOT playing eve, you have left your character online, cloaked in a system until you decide you have time to play...
How do you know?
Cry more...
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Psychotic Turtle
Minmatar Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.11 07:41:00 -
[144]
Originally by: RuleoftheBone The reasoning behind "nerf-cloaks" just makes me laugh immensely.
I'll support a cloak nerf/timer/other **** the same day POS's and stations randomly eject all occupants to random locations around a system every 15 minutes....actually this would be pretty funny .
This is pure gold.
I for one have developed a taste for care bear tears. Them coming here to post this thread has brought me nothing but overwhelming joy and happiness.
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2008.08.11 07:49:00 -
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To OP: Grow balls. Learn to deal with the threats in Eve. And stop whining.
Amanda Wilkins CEO of Dromedary, Goat, Albatross and Fish Protector of the Bunnies of Stain
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:18:00 -
[146]
This is all basically down to people feeling the need to sit and stare at the screen when they are unable to do what they want, followed by getting annoyed that the person causing them to sit and stare at their screen isn't in turn sitting stating at their screen.
I used to be the same with gatecamps (a long time ago), sitting there cloaked (how appropriate) waiting and waiting for them to bugger off, getting annoyed that they were wasting my playtime, getting in the way of my activities. Then I learned that simply EVE does not operate to suit my schedule. So these days I log off and find something else to do. Like making these. -
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Khalidus Drakestar
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.11 09:54:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Devaira
Originally by: InDa Hood Edited by: InDa Hood on 09/08/2008 07:35:55 AFK Cloaking is one of the most ridiculous problems to plaque EVE. Who knows what they could be doing, afk cloaked....
Eating a sammich? Washing their hands? bio break?
NOT PLAYING EVE!?!?!?
Coincidence?
or waiting for the newbie in his brand new ferox to grow tired and finally go rat in a belt only to get utterly pwned the next second ...
who knows, who knows ...
Surely in order to do this, the 'AFK' cloaker could not in fact be AFK at all.
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Rashmika Clavain
Gallente Revelation Space
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:09:00 -
[148]
Yay afk cloak whines again. Well I suppose now that the nano and suicide gank whiners have been satiated with that Dev Blog, they were bound to go back to AFK cloak whines. Removed. Please keep your EVE signature related to your EVE persona and not that of a real life politician. Navigator |
Telemicus Thrace
Thrace Inc Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.08.11 10:28:00 -
[149]
Okay, here is a scenario for you. I'm on an op deep in enemy space. There are a couple of us but wherever we go the enemy will form up a gang 3-4 times our size, start locking down gates and probing for us. Moving from safe spot to safespot works great until you throw a system scanning array into the mix. I can't dock, can't easily get out of system, can't fight such overwhealming odds... so I cloak.
If I want to go to the fridge or take a bio break, I'll cloak up. If I need to answer the door or the phone I can cloak. For these short periods I will be AFK and cloaked. The horror.
Of course this does not fit the scenario of the 23/7 guy in system but it's as close as I'll get and I hear the same whines from people like the OP for doing what I do. A nerf to cloaks will affect me as well as the guy with Eve running all day while he works.
Rather than come whining to the forums, set a trap, ignore the AFK guy, move system or go on the offensive and attack his friends in their space. There are ways to defend a system from safe spotters & cyno ships. A bubble and some ships can hold a gate well enough.
Just fit stabs on your PvE / Mining ship, stay aligned and keep checking the scanner. Simple really.
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Helox
Gallente Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.11 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
I agree, this guy is totally right. I think it's an outrage that griefers like Ghostthor can get away with this. It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. Not even to mention that Ghostthor is flying in a nano, which should be nerfed as well.
And I mean, come on! Who brings pvp capable ships for mining or ratting anyway? It's not like we miners and ratters WANT to pvp, Ghost forces himself onto us. Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
P.S. If you hate Ghostthor as much as we all do, send him 0.1 isk. He loves it.
-- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:03:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Helox I agree, this guy is totally right. I think it's an outrage that griefers like Ghostthor can get away with this. It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. Not even to mention that Ghostthor is flying in a nano, which should be nerfed as well.
And I mean, come on! Who brings pvp capable ships for mining or ratting anyway? It's not like we miners and ratters WANT to pvp, Ghost forces himself onto us. Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
I sure hope my sarcasm detector is broken…
Also, there's no "e" in ridiculous.
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AltBier
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:23:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Feilamya Here's an idea how to fix AFK cloaking:
Make cloakers invisible in local.
YES PLEASE!
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.11 12:54:00 -
[153]
Originally by: Helox Second, what sarcasm?
I was hoping that this bit was sarcastic: Quote: It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. […] Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
If it isn't, then you're going to need some asbestos PJs.
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Helox
Gallente Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:17:00 -
[154]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Helox Second, what sarcasm?
I was hoping that this bit was sarcastic: Quote: It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. […] Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
If it isn't, then you're going to need some asbestos PJs.
Ofcourse not! I find it completely rEdiculous that those nasty people in Demonic Retribution like Ghostthor are allowed to take advantage of innocent miners and ratters. I think it would be a great idea for CCP to provide some protection, preferably in the form of some sort of "consentual agreement" between the attacker and the attackee.
And do send Ghostthorn 0.1 isk.
-- the above is my personal opinion and does not necessarily reflect that of the little voices in my head
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Darius Falc
Gallente M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:50:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Helox Second, what sarcasm?
I was hoping that this bit was sarcastic: Quote: It's just plain rediculous that people can't mine or rat in peace without the fear of beeing ganked. [à] Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
If it isn't, then you're going to need some asbestos PJs.
I love this idea of having a button you can press that says you don't want to PVP. I think that the button should probably also activate a neon pink flashing care bear on the side of your ship, just so people really can't miss it. Whilst we're at it I think that we should abolish lo sec. I mean wtf is with that....I was there the other day and somebody came and blew me up out of the blue. They didn't even say hello first? I'd taken all the appropriate precautions, I was flying my hauler and I'd changed it's name to "please don't attack me" and I'd cunningly decided to fly through lo sec at peak time, just when people wouldn't expect me to.
I really think we need to do something about EvE being so dangerous....I mean....If this was the real world...think of the law suits.
o.O
DF. ***********************************************
The NEW M.Corp Data Hub - Check it out!
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Djana Libra
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.11 13:53:00 -
[156]
Try adepting perhaps.
Rat in a pvp setup (if they cloak a ship thats not specificly meant for cloaking they pre nerf there ships setup)
Set a trap for him/her a few times and he/she will go to a different system
Keep spamming the scanner while ratting and if you spot him just warp off.
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waferzankko
Caldari Bears Inc Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.08.11 15:13:00 -
[157]
man i love afk cloaking, its so much fun to put fear in a system, too bad i am only in an indy
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Doctor Remulak
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:24:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Doctor Remulak on 11/08/2008 22:26:45 Remove alts and local from Eve. Problem minized and many other problems solved at the same time. And there is a consensual PVP button already. I believe it is called 'Cloaking Device.'
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Jaabaa Prime
Minmatar Quam Singulari
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Posted - 2008.08.11 22:26:00 -
[159]
O M F G
This is still a topic ? How many CCP posts do you n00bs need to know that its a non-issue --
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:25:00 -
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OVER 9000!!!!!!!
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Cruel Crow
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Posted - 2008.08.11 23:49:00 -
[161]
Ambulation AFK - Enjoy
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Veran Nijoba
Amarr The Darkness of Light
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:47:00 -
[162]
I have one thing to say to you... GROW UP OR GET OFF! 'nough Said... if a 3.1m SP Char can learn this much then so can you...
Why Not Counter Strike against him... DUH! ____________________________________ Gone to Rat
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Turin
Caldari Eternity INC. Project Alice.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Turin on 12/08/2008 00:52:58
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
Well, if he is cloaked, I dont see how he is bothering you, since you canot shoot things while cloaked. If he uncloaks and attacks you..... kill him? Seems pretty easy to me.
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.12 01:03:00 -
[164]
It really does suck that one AFK player with a cloak can lock down a whole system, and potentially paralyse an entire alliance.
I mean... He's CLOAKED!...
...and he's... he's... AFK!
WHAT THE HELL? It's like having a permanent 100 MAN WARFLEET OF TITANS!
It's like having a gigantic PLANET with RABIES wielding a PLANK OF WOOD WITH A RUSTY NAIL IN IT!
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Zimi Vlasic
F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.12 01:47:00 -
[165]
Please continue to rip hani a new one. This shitpost doesn't reflect the rest of FREEE's feelings. We really doesn't give a flying about cloaked recons. ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer |
Clinically
Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 01:53:00 -
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aww look at the little OP, it's his first time in 0.0 and he scared. ________________ Q. How do you clear a system of 400 Northern Monkeys? A. Remind them its not cyno jammed. |
StainLessStealRat
Firman AB 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 03:25:00 -
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----------------------------------------------------------Do you want CCP to log people out of the game if they sit in space cloaked? Do you want any sort of competition and risk in this game? --------------------------------------------------------- YES!
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Svenjabi Xiang
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.12 04:26:00 -
[168]
Edited by: Svenjabi Xiang on 12/08/2008 04:40:52 After having read this, perhaps the 20th or so of these "nerf cloaking modules" posts, I remain convinced of one thing only and that is that cloaking sure does annoy people. Seems, though, having spent a fair amount of time cloaking that THAT is the point.
The ability of one person in a supremely thin ship to completely disrupt the lives of his enemies (and more, WATCH THEM being disrupted) is pure gold. There 's never been so much humor in my time on Eve as watching 20-30 guys scouring a belt/gate looking for a single cloaker freak that is already 150+ km away.
As much as I love the other ships in my hanger, the HAC's and Battleships, the stealth bomber and recons will likely remain a staple of my Eve career.
For those that can't deal with the cloaker in YOUR systems.. good..
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Ishquar Teh'Sainte
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.08.12 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
Originally by: Aerieva Rat in pairs or use the system next door, leet afk cloaking tactic overcome.
Station system? Only a handful of good ratting systems? Why should regular players put up with griefing?
Any responses?
step #1: fit your rattingship for PvP step #2: get an alt (a buddy) in a force recon ship recon ship step #2 alternative: gang up with other people in your alliance/corp that are in local step #3: rat step #4: bait him step #5: kill him or atleast scare him away, do this often enough and he will lose interest.
tbh - EVERYONE in this system ratting should be ganged up, so that you can aid each other against single cloakers (but don't make the mistake to ignore incoming warnings of roaming gangs) ___________________
-Skellibjalla- Life is a garden of perceptions. Pick your fruit.
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:16:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Lyvv on 12/08/2008 05:20:45
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
You know what? I'd go as far as suggesting to remove cloaked players from local who sit in Recon- and stealth bomber-type ships so no one knows they are there, once cloaked.
That is stealth - that is a real cloak
You want to rat in 100% safety? 0.0 isnt for you. Go back to empire and stop *****ing, moaning and whining about people cloaking in your favorite ratting system.
Nerf carebears!
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:28:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Svenjabi Xiang Edited by: Svenjabi Xiang on 12/08/2008 04:40:52 ...and more, WATCH THEM...
Thats one of the major perks of Recons and also their role. They are the eyes and ears of the Fleet Commander.
You will have to depend on cloaking ships more than ever once this carebear-induced nano-nerf hits Tranq as you no longer can fly HAC / nano gangs to disrupt the carebearing fools in 0.0. You will have to know whats behind the gate because now your regular gang that you used to fly with just got bigger and heavier - ie BCs, BS and Caldari HACs.
In the age of capital ships, where every spastic **** in 0.0 flies a carrier on Sunday, its a must to know what you are jumping into.
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NoOth3rDestiny
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:43:00 -
[172]
I don't mind there is actual cloaking and you could setup an ambush that may or may not work. But it is a bit lame for 3 reasons...
#1: Unlimited cloak time with no way to detect #2: No AFK Timer #3: You know they are in system via local but can't detect them what so ever... if realism comes into this, then thats bull :)
There should be either a long winded way to detect cloakers. Cloakers should be used for scouting still etc without been spotted cept in local, but those AFKing in systems should get ****d if they ain't done anything for like 20+mins. Sure have enough time to have a bio break or make up some food, but not unlimited geez... Either an AFK timer, make the module not run forever or have some way to detect them eventually, though it could take a very long time, special small range probes? long scan time probes? or something meh, takes 5-10minutes... That way if the guy is there he can figure out what is going on, or if not, he still has time to return.
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InSession
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: InSession on 12/08/2008 05:52:18 It's a completely valid tactic, imo.
Ratters have local, an intel channel, cloaks, alignment, logoffski, and a station/POS/safespot all at their disposal for safety. People roaming have luck, and skill that's it. Much easier to be a ratter than it is a roamer.
So yes, give the PvP'ers one more tool to annoy the NPC'ers because you have no idea as to how annoying it is to skillfully scan people out in under 10 seconds and already have them warping out just as you drop warp because local gave them a huge head start.
We fill the same annoyance that you do when people get away with such ease, as you do with people cloaked in your system taunting you.
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 06:13:00 -
[174]
Originally by: NoOth3rDestiny I don't mind there is actual cloaking and you could setup an ambush that may or may not work. But it is a bit lame for 3 reasons...
#1: Unlimited cloak time with no way to detect #2: No AFK Timer #3: You know they are in system via local but can't detect them what so ever... if realism comes into this, then thats bull :)
There should be either a long winded way to detect cloakers. Cloakers should be used for scouting still etc without been spotted cept in local, but those AFKing in systems should get ****d if they ain't done anything for like 20+mins. Sure have enough time to have a bio break or make up some food, but not unlimited geez... Either an AFK timer, make the module not run forever or have some way to detect them eventually, though it could take a very long time, special small range probes? long scan time probes? or something meh, takes 5-10minutes... That way if the guy is there he can figure out what is going on, or if not, he still has time to return.
Dude "Realism" would be: You not being able to see them even in local to start with.
That would fix a lot of things. People would at least stop about AFK cloakers on forums. Every other week some turd comes on here screaming about a cloak nerf or any other nerf cause he is annoyed, bored, posting during downtime or whatever.
NERF NANO NERF NANO wheee NERF CLOAK NERF CLOAK....all so you muppets can run around 0.0 in 90% assurance that no one will **** with you.
Eve used to be hard...and it used to be a lot more fun and stand out from the standard MMOs like WOW, EQ just to name the biggest 2. But you former WOW players, who never really incurred losses, never really ran into any risks playing your games need to adjust to Eve and not the other way around.
And screaming for cloak nerf? Think about the relation to that. A gate or system can see no activity for hours. In order to monitor the system, you need to be in it.
Like I mentioned before, every fool flies a carrier on Sunday, thats somewhat of a risk for a small gang...so you need eyes and ears in the system.
Thats what I use alts for, and I am sure a lot of other people use their second accounts on either the same or different computer and play that way.
I can only speak for myself, thats the way I do it and I am paying for it.
So, take your realism of being able to see cloaked players in local, and go back to ratting...
CSM - you guys would actually get some kudos and be useful on top of that, if you would create a sticky for these complaints, whines and what and sort that shit by topic and put these threads in there.
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AltBier
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.12 10:59:00 -
[175]
EVE would be a lot more interesting without the local channel.
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Jasmine Dixon
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:19:00 -
[176]
Edited by: Jasmine Dixon on 12/08/2008 11:20:36 Simple solution to the problem:
The cloaking switches of every 10 Minutes, you can reactivate it instantly, but of course you have to be sitting at the PC and actually play the game to do so.......
......noone afk should be able to have any influence in the universe without consequences......
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:21:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Sebea
all of this would be pretty cool, except the impact on super caps. I'm pretty sure just about every titan fits a cloak of some sort to hide before/after the DD, and when moving about in general. This would castrate them. Not that I mind, but the rush of folks plowing into systems to kill the titans would melt the servers.
IF something like this went through, stealth bombers, recons (cov ops only, not combat recons), covops, and blackops would need to be immune to the timers, it is after all their main strength, and THEIR JOB
Actually that's why I said non-cov ops cloaks.
My intention was that ships capable of warping while cloaked should not be effected by the max run time.
i.e. they can still AFK cloak, but if they want to do that to gather intel they will need to be on grid and essentially at risk because they could be de-cloaked.
An exclusion could also be added for Titans as I agree that's a fairly unique problem.
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Mr Pentex
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Posted - 2008.08.12 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Pentex on 12/08/2008 11:41:57 Edited by: Mr Pentex on 12/08/2008 11:41:14
Originally by: Atrei Capital
Originally by: Angry Cyno By posting this EMO post you FAIL!
Wheres the emo?
Also: AFK cloaking is a cheesy tactic. The problem with a cloak is that it's an entirely passive module, requiring no thought or input, that makes you entirely invulnerable as long as you safe up.
There is no viable method for decloaking a safespotted cloaker. Your options are to either have PVPers camp the system for hours.. (Oh, yes, lots of fun, sitting around waiting for someone to uncloak ), or to go back to what your doing.. and let someone get ganked. After 12 hours, they uncloak, kill a miner, then recloak to afk again before anyone comes.
I would, however, support making the cloak have something like a 30 minute maximum timer.. followed by a 1 minute period where it does not function. To counter this, make cloakers dissapear from local: Give them actual stealth, but don't allow them to sit AFK and lock a system down. Then, they function as intended, not as a mere tool for an alt griefer.
Sounds like a solid idee, or maby you could have some type of bomb that could bring a cloaked player out of cloak, combined with a sensor that could pickup a cloaked players possition with in say 50 or so km, and then you would have to bomb the area to bring him/her out of cloak.
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bundy bear
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Posted - 2008.08.12 13:05:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Kazang Edited by: Kazang on 09/08/2008 10:47:13
Quote:
And fight through ganks? What? Have you even read the thread? Cloakers dont gate camp, so there's nothing to 'fight through'.
If the guy is afk and not going to fight as you say, wtf are you worried about? Have you even read your own posts? Your argument is total *******s. If this guy in your system is as you afk then coming back every 2 hours or so to gank someone. Whats to stop him simply logging off for 2 hours, coming on for 5, scan, gank, log. You see, same effect. Without the afking, the afking makes no diference at all, none zero, zilch, except to **** you off. And in case you havnt noticed in eve an awful lot of people will do stuff just to annoy you, because its fun, get used to it.
Ummm its very different btw. The whole point of the afk part is that you cant tell when they are afk, unless he screws it up by logging off everytime .....
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Lyvv
Amarr Personal Vendetta Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 14:29:00 -
[180]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
Originally by: Sebea
all of this would be pretty cool, except the impact on super caps. I'm pretty sure just about every titan fits a cloak of some sort to hide before/after the DD, and when moving about in general. This would castrate them. Not that I mind, but the rush of folks plowing into systems to kill the titans would melt the servers.
IF something like this went through, stealth bombers, recons (cov ops only, not combat recons), covops, and blackops would need to be immune to the timers, it is after all their main strength, and THEIR JOB
Actually that's why I said non-cov ops cloaks.
My intention was that ships capable of warping while cloaked should not be effected by the max run time.
i.e. they can still AFK cloak, but if they want to do that to gather intel they will need to be on grid and essentially at risk because they could be de-cloaked.
An exclusion could also be added for Titans as I agree that's a fairly unique problem.
Okay you got me. Maybe you aint a muppet after all - and that is a solid idea, afteral. You are welcome in my fanclub then.
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Plumpy McPudding
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:00:00 -
[181]
Omgzors! I kant finds dis persun cloking en mah sistem! Theys jus sitin der doin nuttin and I kant get dem!!!!
Wat da hel! __________________________
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Posted - 2008.08.12 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Plumpy McPudding Omgzors! I kant finds dis persun cloking en mah sistem! Theys jus sitin der doin nuttin and I kant get dem!!!!
Wat da hel!
You spell like a cat on the internet. :-)
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Psychotic Turtle
Minmatar Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.12 16:00:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Psychotic Turtle on 12/08/2008 16:00:24
Originally by: Lyvv
Originally by: NoOth3rDestiny I don't mind there is actual cloaking and you could setup an ambush that may or may not work. But it is a bit lame for 3 reasons...
#1: Unlimited cloak time with no way to detect #2: No AFK Timer #3: You know they are in system via local but can't detect them what so ever... if realism comes into this, then thats bull :)
There should be either a long winded way to detect cloakers. Cloakers should be used for scouting still etc without been spotted cept in local, but those AFKing in systems should get ****d if they ain't done anything for like 20+mins. Sure have enough time to have a bio break or make up some food, but not unlimited geez... Either an AFK timer, make the module not run forever or have some way to detect them eventually, though it could take a very long time, special small range probes? long scan time probes? or something meh, takes 5-10minutes... That way if the guy is there he can figure out what is going on, or if not, he still has time to return.
Dude "Realism" would be: You not being able to see them even in local to start with.
That would fix a lot of things. People would at least stop about AFK cloakers on forums. Every other week some turd comes on here screaming about a cloak nerf or any other nerf cause he is annoyed, bored, posting during downtime or whatever.
NERF NANO NERF NANO wheee NERF CLOAK NERF CLOAK....all so you muppets can run around 0.0 in 90% assurance that no one will **** with you.
Eve used to be hard...and it used to be a lot more fun and stand out from the standard MMOs like WOW, EQ just to name the biggest 2. But you former WOW players, who never really incurred losses, never really ran into any risks playing your games need to adjust to Eve and not the other way around.
And screaming for cloak nerf? Think about the relation to that. A gate or system can see no activity for hours. In order to monitor the system, you need to be in it.
Like I mentioned before, every fool flies a carrier on Sunday, thats somewhat of a risk for a small gang...so you need eyes and ears in the system.
Thats what I use alts for, and I am sure a lot of other people use their second accounts on either the same or different computer and play that way.
I can only speak for myself, thats the way I do it and I am paying for it.
So, take your realism of being able to see cloaked players in local, and go back to ratting...
CSM - you guys would actually get some kudos and be useful on top of that, if you would create a sticky for these complaints, whines and what and sort that shit by topic and put these threads in there.
And why would they stop whining on the forums? The whined about the nano nerf long enough and they got it. They will whine about cloaks and they will also get this. Its not about game quality or concept anymore Lyvv, its about expanding your customer base, and CCP is always looking for lame new ways to suck in the WOW crowd. The reality is, we just have to be around the curve for the next nerf and keep at what we do with new toys and tools. I said it beffore the nanonerf, if the whiners think they will now have easy kills they are kidding themselfs. |
NAT Mav
TribalWar Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.12 16:11:00 -
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Ugh.
While Hani's ******ed for posting this, since it always gets the same reaction, the people doing it know that there are very few (reasonable) counters to it, otherwise it wouldn't be so common. I don't particularly care for it myself, but I've learned to live with it.
It's also quite popular with macro-ratters, but we'll overlook that little detail since the same tactic works for annoying them as well.
It's just part of the ever-going race to inflict the maximum possible damage for the least possible risk. First it was stabs, then suicide ganks, then it was nanos, now we'll move on to cloaks. But CCP will keep adding more stuff to the game, and keep swinging the nerfbat, and people will keep finding ways to annoy the crap out of you, so get used to it.
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.08.12 16:15:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
Go to another system, bait him, trick him, just overpower him, work in gangs, whatever. If one guy can ruin everything for you, you, well, suck.
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Promethian child
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.08.12 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Go to another system, bait him, trick him, just overpower him, work in gangs, whatever. If one guy can ruin everything for you, you, well, suck.
This
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CrazyZack
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Posted - 2008.08.12 16:54:00 -
[187]
This does need considering...
Nothing is wrong with being in a system cloaked.. But being able to hop off your computer while the core is going at 50-100 percent (Eating power and yes contributing to the energy crisis) AFKing for hours or days is beyond silly..
And the fix is simple.. No commands for 30 mins = deactivation of module.. Simple as that... If they are decicated they will spend the 1 min moving to the window and changing the move direction or warp to a new safespot..
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Gracious NightAngel
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:25:00 -
[188]
I must admit I leave my computer on when going to bed
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Tyson Gallane
Caldari Political Warfare Executive
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:56:00 -
[189]
I've found that it is entirely impossible to AFK rat in 0.0 space. :(
T.
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 17:58:00 -
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I find this thread hillarious
Most 'afk cloakers' are in ships that, by themselves, are really no threat to a properly fitted ship in 0.0. Now... if you're complaining about GANGS of "AFK cloakers" I would submit that those gangs probably aren't AFK at all. How do you know they aren't active just waiting for you to screw up and make a mistake?
I've been on both sides of this argument. I've been the 0.0 resident who's space has afk cloakers in it and I've been the merc on contract cloaked in hostile 0.0 space trying to catch someone being foolish enough for me and my squadron to kill him.
Bottom line: MOST cloakers aren't afk. Also: Most cloakers aren't a threat by themselves. Most people don't gripe about a LONE cloaked ship... they whine when there are 4 or more of them in system because that's actually a threat. But guess what... odds are those 4 folks aren't AFK... at least not all of them....
Lets put it this way: A cloak (unless it's a covert ops cloak) nerfs the hell out of your lock time. If you are seriously worried about a pilot sitting cloaked in your system then you are not flying smart. You should ALWAYS be aligned and always be watching your overview. If a red shows up on overview you simply warp out of the belt to a safe spot that you're already aligned to. Seriously people... quit complaining about valid game mechanics and learn to deal with them.
Now, granted, RECON ships don't have lock time delays but then again... a recon ship really isn't much of a threat to a properly fitted ship. Especially when you're in YOUR OWN SPACE. Get in a gang... rat in a gang... mine in a gang... you don't have to have the whole gang with you.. you just need them to be active and ready to come to each other's assistance if one is attacked. There isn't a cloaker gang out there that can take down a properly fitted BS or BC fast enough to ignore 20 ships warping into them. They will run... every time. If you learn how to deal with the problem rather than whining about it on forums you'll quickly find that people will stop trying to kill you with cloakers.
The problem isn't the 'afk' cloakers. The problem is members of alliances like yourself who are unwilling to deal with the problem and would rather throw their hands up in defeat and run to the forums crying 'grief grief, I'm being griefed!' when just using some common sense solves the issue quite nicely. .
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:08:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Promethian child
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Go to another system, bait him, trick him, just overpower him, work in gangs, whatever. If one guy can ruin everything for you, you, well, suck.
This
You can't trix me...
Silly wabbit, Trix are for kids.
-hOr
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Fir Q
Minmatar Trident Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:58:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Taram Caldar ...
While some of what you said is valid and true I think the largest annoyance is that groups like yourselves, refuse to actually 'fight'. What you do isn't pvp, you get a free gank here and there. But not one single time have I seen/heard of you guys actually fighting something remotely close to a real engagement. Anytime the numbers are near equal or the ship types are something that would raise a good fight you guys cloak and hide. With no possible counter to that it really makes it unfun to fight you guys. If this is your 'goal' then actually i feel sad for you. I stopped caring about losing ships a while ago and ya know, it makes the game a lot more fun.
As for the 'How do you know they aren't active just waiting for you to screw up and make a mistake?' comment. Because no one can play eve 23/7, you can be logged in 23/7 but I promise you they aren't active 23/7.
For 'Get in a gang... rat in a gang... mine in a gang... you don't have to have the whole gang with you' comment. So lets say people are mining yada yada yada, you guys come in, they go 'reds!' go and switch ships, you'll uncloak and fight? oh... that's right... you won't.
as for Ghostthor and company, tho they may cloak a LOT, they will at least engage in fights. They actually use the ships as they are supposed to be used... to fight.
I'm sure this will get flamed, but oh well, at the end of the day it doesn't bother me to much.
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Viqer Fell
Minmatar Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 18:59:00 -
[193]
7 pages?
Seriously. 7 pages?
I feel like I'm owed my time back.
If the guy is AFK cloaked then what's the problem? He's afk hence can't kill you, you blithering idiot. If you are actually worried about one guy in system who is cloaked but not afk then you are not flying carefully enough.
Either way it comes down to a problem with your playstyle not the guy who happens to be using a perfectly valid module.
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Locutious
Minmatar Rising Phoenix Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:06:00 -
[194]
So let me get this straight...
A lion sneaks up to a herd of zebra's. The lion is hiding in the tall grass so the zebra's can smell him but not really see where the threat is coming from. He lays in the sun with his pride quietly awaiting the right moment to strike. He see's a wounded or weak young zebra that is far off from the rest of the herd.
Option 1: The lion strikes, tearing the the young zebra's throat out and dragging his meal into the grass again. The herd comes to find the infant but the lion has escaped.
Option 2: The lion strikes, the young zebra bolts off towards the herd. The herd comes out in force and charges the lion. The lion is forced to loose his meal and run back into the safety of the grass or risk being trampled to death by the older wiser members of the herd.
So, Nerf Lions?
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:17:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Fir Q
Originally by: Taram Caldar ...
...
as for Ghostthor and company, tho they may cloak a LOT, they will at least engage in fights. They actually use the ships as they are supposed to be used... to fight.
I'm sure this will get flamed, but oh well, at the end of the day it doesn't bother me to much.
Thank you sir, see you out there.
-hOr
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Locutious
Minmatar Rising Phoenix Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: Locutious on 12/08/2008 19:34:34 I'm not Mr. Uber PvP or even remotely close to that, but why exactly would you be more scared by a cloaker in your system? For that matter why would you be scared of anything in your system.
1. Don't fly what you can't afford to replace.
I mean, I thought Eve was supposed to be all super duper hardcore? I guess I'm a carebear because I spend all my time running missions right now (cause I'm broke as a joke) but I never leave a station without knowing I'm insured, my clone is up to date, and people can and will shoot me anywhere at anytime for any reason. Sounds to me like Local is nothing but a crutch for a lot of people.
I never even give it a glance. If someone needs to talk to me they can send me a message directly. The thought of picking when and where I fight sounds like a pretty good tactic to me though, I may have to think about training a cloaking device after this long drawn out love fest.
I guess it just blows me away that people actually get their panties in a bunch because there's an unknown variable floating around in their system somewhere. I guess if you're that scared get a couple of your buddies to learn cloaking and have them babysit you while you do your mining so they can hold your hand if the big bad wolf comes after you.
Personally, I fully expect to get my head blown off at a Gatecamp, by a pirate, or by some random 12 year old with a cloaking device. Honestly, thats why I play Eve instead of Hello Kitty online. It may get expensive but at least I won't go down like a little b****.
edit: Hell, after 7 pages of this I think I want to grow up to be like Ghosthor and scare all the little kiddies too. Never thought I'd be able to hold an entire system hostage with a single module worth less than 1 million isk. We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile |
FALLEN XCALIBER
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Locutious So let me get this straight...
A lion sneaks up to a herd of zebra's. The lion is hiding in the tall grass so the zebra's can smell him but not really see where the threat is coming from. He lays in the sun with his pride quietly awaiting the right moment to strike. He see's a wounded or weak young zebra that is far off from the rest of the herd.
Option 1: The lion strikes, tearing the the young zebra's throat out and dragging his meal into the grass again. The herd comes to find the infant but the lion has escaped.
Option 2: The lion strikes, the young zebra bolts off towards the herd. The herd comes out in force and charges the lion. The lion is forced to loose his meal and run back into the safety of the grass or risk being trampled to death by the older wiser members of the herd.
So, Nerf Lions?
Awesome analogy. Yes, nerf the lions! All the herbivores can chew on their grass in peace!
Seriously, the methods to counter or deal with an AFK cloaker have already been mentioned a thousand times in this thread. Enough said.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg
You're afk cloaked in a system for 23/7: Wake up. Log on to main after dt. You go to work. You take the kids to soccer practice, you pork the misses. You do two missions with your alt in empire. You pick up the kids from practice. You check your afk cloaker in the system. You eat dinner. You go to bed.
You forgot the part where his AFK, unmanned ship jumps you in a belt and ganks your ratting 'Geddon.
Oh wait...
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:58:00 -
[199]
Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 12/08/2008 19:58:12
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg In addition:
Is there any other like corollary to cloaking in general? Something where you're 'playing' but completely unfindable and therefore invincible.
Besides being in a station, no.
Which means the answer to your question is actually "Yes."
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.08.12 19:59:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Sweet Rosella Simple solution set an afk timer.
Simpler solution: whenever someone posts on the forums, log that character off. You can't be posting on the forums and playing EVE at the same time.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:00:00 -
[201]
Hey! I'm only on the first page of this thread, there's seven more to go (so far)! -- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:01:00 -
[202]
Hey guys, next whine coming up:
How come hostiles can log off in my system!!!! WHAT IF THEY LOG IN WHILE IM RATTING???
Same thing TBH.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Fir Q
Minmatar Trident Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:07:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Synapse Archae Hey guys, next whine coming up:
How come hostiles can log off in my system!!!! WHAT IF THEY LOG IN WHILE IM RATTING???
Same thing TBH.
yea, cause while logged out they can scan to see what belt you're in.
obviously the same. Moron.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:13:00 -
[204]
Originally by: Fir Q ea, cause while logged out they can scan to see what belt you're in.
obviously the same. Moron.
Yes. Same. They can scan the belt just as well while logged off as they can when AFK.
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:22:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Fir Q ea, cause while logged out they can scan to see what belt you're in.
obviously the same. Moron.
Yes. Same. They can scan the belt just as well while logged off as they can when AFK.
Tippia is mining in 4-3. I know this because I have an alt logged off in her system. :D
Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Tippia
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:27:00 -
[206]
Edited by: Tippia on 12/08/2008 20:27:18
Originally by: Synapse Archae Tippia is mining in 4-3. I know this because I have an alt logged off in her system. :D
Yup. And Synapse's logged-off alt is sneaking around 4-1. I know this because I'm in the kitchen, making a sandwich.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:32:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
DO you have any idea of what AFK stands for? If you do, why would it bother you at all? How about fitting some frigates or cruisers that can insta lock this dude and bait him. When he uncloaks, call them in and get a lock. If he can't shake your lock, he can't cloak. If ya scram him, he ain't going anywhere. If he plays logoffski, scan out his ship before aggro runs down.
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Aarin Wrath
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.12 20:54:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 12/08/2008 20:55:13
Originally by: CrazyZack This does need considering...
Nothing is wrong with being in a system cloaked.. But being able to hop off your computer while the core is going at 50-100 percent (Eating power and yes contributing to the energy crisis) AFKing for hours or days is beyond silly..
Aww crud. I better run home and turn off my Folding @ Home screensaver!!!!!oneElevenOneeleven!
Its running with all cores pinned at 100% right now!
Oh noez!
/troll
So your rational is that AFK cloaking is contributing to the energy crisis?
Wow man .. 10/10 for trolling. Thats like ... so way out there is like ... Epic troll.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.12 21:34:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Lyvv
Okay you got me. Maybe you aint a muppet after all - and that is a solid idea, afteral. You are welcome in my fanclub then.
Where do I sign-up? I can bring a plank with a nail and the Rabies mentioned above but sadly not the Titans..
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Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:03:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus But whether thats a true statement or not, doesn't change the fact that those who do afk are abusing a flawed mechanic with no effort for grief purposes.
The very fact that you can't tell if they are there are not makes it irrelevant, in game it makes no difference. This is the same reason there is no griefing in EVE; because anything which could be construed as abusing the mechanics to grief people can also be construed as valid gameplay, and since it depends on the players motivation, which like the presence of a possibly-AFK cloaker cannot be verified, it makes no difference what the motivation is and therefore can be assumed to not be griefing. -
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:11:00 -
[211]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 12/08/2008 22:16:20 Edited by: Taram Caldar on 12/08/2008 22:12:10
Originally by: Fir Q
Originally by: Taram Caldar ...
While some of what you said is valid and true I think the largest annoyance is that groups like yourselves, refuse to actually 'fight'. What you do isn't pvp, you get a free gank here and there.
Might want to re-check those boards. Yes... I've been in 'gank gangs' but I have also done the 'even steven small gang fight' and the 'large fleet fights' and everything else in between. Before you start stereotyping people check your facts. The vast majority of fights I'm in we barely outnumber the enemy and are actually often outnumbered ourselves. We engage enemies when we know we have an advantage as well, sure, but we often engage when we know very well that it's extremely hazardous to do so.
In fact in the falcon kill I just got the other night it was me and 1 other pilot, in an arazu, against a Dominix, Falcon, Vagabond and 2 Raptors when all was said and done. We knew what the Vaga had as support but we engaged in hopes of a fight and we got one. And got out alive.
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But not one single time have I seen/heard of you guys actually fighting something remotely close to a real engagement. Anytime the numbers are near equal or the ship types are something that would raise a good fight you guys cloak and hide.
Might want to check your facts. I can't link the fleet fights from the kill board here but suffice to say we do engage, when the enemy will come out to fight. Often they will just sit in stations docked up hiding and not come out till they outnumber us 4 or 5 to 1. And you are very right... we're not going to engage a bunch of heavy assets in a huge fleet when we're in 3 or 4 recons.
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With no possible counter to that it really makes it unfun to fight you guys. If this is your 'goal' then actually i feel sad for you. I stopped caring about losing ships a while ago and ya know, it makes the game a lot more fun.
FYI: When a merc outfit is contracted it's not to have 'fun' it is to accomplish the mission. I take pride in our ability to please our employers with solid results. I also DO have 'fun' as well.... I've never cared about losing ships in EVE. Hell I was in RISE when we were under attack by everyone and their dog... I was in hydra when Triumvirate used us as a kicking toy and I was in Storm Armada when we were fighting Smashkill as well. As I said... I've been on BOTH sides of the issue.
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As for the 'How do you know they aren't active just waiting for you to screw up and make a mistake?' comment. Because no one can play eve 23/7, you can be logged in 23/7 but I promise you they aren't active 23/7.
Personally I'm never logged on Taram if I'm not online and I get accused, even by you, of being an 'afk cloaker'. I can 100% guarantee I have never cloaked AFK unless it was to go grab food or take a bio.... Like I said... yes there ARE afk cloakers out there. But people tend to assume someone is AFK just because they're cloaked.
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For 'Get in a gang... rat in a gang... mine in a gang... you don't have to have the whole gang with you' comment. So lets say people are mining yada yada yada, you guys come in, they go 'reds!' go and switch ships, you'll uncloak and fight? oh... that's right... you won't.
Nope but if they're in a gang, and we engage, their buddies can warp in and rescue them. Been there, done that. It's not so you can switch ships it's so that folks in combat ships can come to your aid fast. And in 0.0 there is never any reason to be ratting in a ship that isn't PVP ready. There isn't a single ship that you can rat in that you can't PVP fit while ratting. If you take time to go switch ships? You're right... odds are most cloakers won't engage. But on MANY occasions my squad has taken OBVIOUS bait even in enemy home systems where we KNEW the target was bait but we attacked anyway in hopes of a fight .
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.12 22:29:00 -
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I'm going to get an alt in a blaster battleship, fly it into a hostile system, and log off. Every so often I'll log in, gank the crap out of anyone in the belt I warp to, then shuffle safespots and log again.
There will be epic whining on these forums.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Fir Q
Minmatar Trident Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.12 23:20:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Taram Caldar ...
90% of what you said might be true, i don't know. I can only draw information about what you guys did vs. EC. And needless to say, that 90% that might be true, wasn't true against us. I just went over the killboards, yes i'm bored, and looked at all the kills/loses, there was only one single 'engagement' where each side lost more than one ship.
So remember, when i speak, i'm talking about OUR experience vs. TNT. Not you guys kicking puppies :)
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Drongen
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.08.13 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Drongen on 13/08/2008 12:49:51 So basicly you want 0.0 that is as safe as empire, why don't you go and do some lvl 4's instead of whining here.
edit: btw what your asking is destroying the risk vs rewards system, not that it won't be destroyed enough with the upcoming nerfs.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.08.13 13:36:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Synapse Archae I'm going to get an alt in a blaster battleship, fly it into a hostile system, and log off. Every so often I'll log in, gank the crap out of anyone in the belt I warp to, then shuffle safespots and log again.
There will be epic whining on these forums.
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exactly my thought :-) but you can be intercepted by carefully placed dictor bubbles while warping around safes. it takes skill and luck, but it is possible. --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.13 13:40:00 -
[216]
Originally by: Drongen Edited by: Drongen on 13/08/2008 12:49:51 So basicly you want 0.0 that is as safe as empire, why don't you go and do some lvl 4's instead of whining here.
Many already are.
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Carrier Eleven
Gallente EVE Posting Service
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Posted - 2008.08.13 13:54:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Mr Friendly Hmm, according to my agent, Teg is located at The Fluf Factory station in the 7BX-6F system, Chimera constellation of Fountain region.
*** logs on Arazu...***
no kidding, I am thinking of sending an alt in a recon out there aswell. Maybe bottle some whine while afk.
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.13 17:44:00 -
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Edited by: Taram Caldar on 13/08/2008 17:44:51
Originally by: Fir Q
Originally by: Taram Caldar ...
90% of what you said might be true, i don't know. I can only draw information about what you guys did vs. EC. And needless to say, that 90% that might be true, wasn't true against us. I just went over the killboards, yes i'm bored, and looked at all the kills/loses, there was only one single 'engagement' where each side lost more than one ship.
So remember, when i speak, i'm talking about OUR experience vs. TNT. Not you guys kicking puppies :)
Ask your guys about the fleet fight near Amarr... trust me, they lost more than 1 ship... we lost none though, because they were stupid. They had us outnumbered at the time, and our gang was split up in 3 systems.... then they got stupid, allowed us to gather, and split up themselves... and got barbequeued. Actually... you could probably ask any of hundreds of people in Amarr and the surrounding area, your guys were smacking enough to gag a horse in local. Not like our fight was a big secret.
Not my fault your guys in empire wouldn't engage... there were many times where I was *alone* in a system or with 1 or 2 friends with 3 or 4 of your guys in system just HOPING one or two would undock... also not my fault that every time we brought an actual fleet out to your area in 0.0 (3 times) that none of you formed a fleet and fought us. When we didn't have numbers to match your fleet? We stayed cloaked... big surprise... and caught who we could.
Not our job to engage you when you outnumber us 3 or 4 to 1 either. Our job was to interdict you and make your lives miserable. And judging by this thread... well... .
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Synapse Archae
Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Originally by: Synapse Archae I'm going to get an alt in a blaster battleship, fly it into a hostile system, and log off. Every so often I'll log in, gank the crap out of anyone in the belt I warp to, then shuffle safespots and log again.
There will be epic whining on these forums.
/thread
exactly my thought :-) but you can be intercepted by carefully placed dictor bubbles while warping around safes. it takes skill and luck, but it is possible.
Next to impossible. The bubble has to be ongrid, so they've scanned you down, and then it has to be inline with where youre coming from...which is another safespot so they cant really align it. Would probably be a product of pure luck.
Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:19:00 -
[220]
Edited by: Pithecanthropus on 13/08/2008 18:20:22
Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Pithecanthropus But whether thats a true statement or not, doesn't change the fact that those who do afk are abusing a flawed mechanic with no effort for grief purposes.
The very fact that you can't tell if they are there are not makes it irrelevant, in game it makes no difference. This is the same reason there is no griefing in EVE; because anything which could be construed as abusing the mechanics to grief people can also be construed as valid gameplay, and since it depends on the players motivation, which like the presence of a possibly-AFK cloaker cannot be verified, it makes no difference what the motivation is and therefore can be assumed to not be griefing.
No. It's only a valid tactic if my efforts to counter your tactic are also valid. How can I counter someone who is not even there, yet still has the same impact. How can I be reassured that my tactics to try and counter them are valid? I can't... there's nothing in this game that tells me, "hey, this guy is in front of his comp, so we can try to do something about it." we can't say that, we're left with doubts. Just like I wouldn't sit in Call Of Duty 4 chasing someone that can cloak forever and be eating dinner while I chase him. There's no point. Thus, no game. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
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DOARota
Gallente Guns of Liberty
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:31:00 -
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A cloaker in system is only a threat to the stupid/greedy.
Form a gang. Set it up for gank. Include gank battleships, tacklers, and of course a couple overpowered falcons.
Warp your gang through the belts and nuke rats all you want.Load up with sensor boosters and nuke them if they come in.Jam them with the Falcons.You can jam rats as well.
About the guy in your alliance who is the "king of ratters" and wants it all for himself...kill him too, he's worthless.
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FlameGlow
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:38:00 -
[222]
Oh, noes, teh orror! AFK cloakers are now on forums too! There is no escape, EVE is doomed!!1!11! _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Drongen
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:52:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Drongen Edited by: Drongen on 13/08/2008 12:49:51 So basicly you want 0.0 that is as safe as empire, why don't you go and do some lvl 4's instead of whining here.
Many already are.
I predict a big increase in cloakers after the speed nerf.
haha yeah, i guess that would be the great new campain, i can already see it: OMGZZZor the imbalance cloacks, they let ppl stay afk in ships that are no real threat in enemy systems. PLS blanzor and make cloacks be on time, preferebly only lasting 10 sec (unless fitted on industrial or on a ship without wepons)
Thx in advance for making eve safer(boring)
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.13 18:53:00 -
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Yes, because somebody who can't do anything is such a threat.
Maybe your ratters should be less stupid.
Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice...
Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming |
RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.13 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Dixon Edited by: Jasmine Dixon on 12/08/2008 11:20:36 Simple solution to the problem:
The cloaking switches of every 10 Minutes, you can reactivate it instantly, but of course you have to be sitting at the PC and actually play the game to do so.......
......noone afk should be able to have any influence in the universe without consequences......
So basically you have never spent xx minutes probing and sneaking up on an enemy fleet/ship/whatever.
Your scenario:
"Ok FC....got hit...warping in. Oh dear I'm 400km off them. Oh good..they ain't moving. OK FC I'm finally within 50km after ten minutes of slow boating across grid and--oh holy ****wits my cloak magically decloaked and I'm dead ".
Or
"Lalala...I think I'll park my Pilgrim above this belt/FW plex gate/whatever and see what comes along. Doop de doop de doop. Oh look...here comes a ratter. Darn..he's 40km off. OK...I'll slowly move in range. OK..here I am at 15km and oh **** the horny toad my cloak magically disengaged because somebody whined on the forums and now the target warps away laughing at me ".
Jasmine...tbh its best if you never undock. It's safer that way. Really.
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:30:00 -
[226]
Originally by: DOARota
Form a gang. Set it up for gank. Include gank battleships, tacklers, and of course a couple overpowered falcons.
Warp your gang through the belts and nuke rats all you want.Load up with sensor boosters and nuke them if they come in.Jam them with the Falcons.You can jam rats as well.
That's my point... I'm willing to do all that, IF we have assurance the cloaker is playing the game. Basically, if you are, then why would you have a problem with a cloaking nerf that enables you to be there. You're there anyway? Am I right? So, what's the point in being against a cloak nerf? Unless, you all secretly enjoy being afk and making us play your game while you color in your newest Telletubbies coloring book. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Baaldor
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.13 21:56:00 -
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Haakelen
Gallente Genesis Rising
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Posted - 2008.08.13 23:19:00 -
[228]
Dear CCP, Please make it 100% safe for me to do everything. tia. Because obviously Cloaking and attacking unexpectedly is not the purpose of Recon ships.
My views and opinions represent my corporation just fine, thanks. |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 00:19:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Haakelen Dear CCP, Please make it 100% safe for me to do everything. tia. Because obviously Cloaking and attacking unexpectedly is not the purpose of Recon ships.
Dear Haakelen,
Please make it 100% safe for a cloaker to be afk while sitting in a 0.0 system for 23 hrs a day, 7 days a week, all month long. Because obviously a cloaking ship is designed to eventually uncloak and do something right?
What's next?... will it be 100% safe for haulers to afk thru low sec? Oh wait. Errrr. Guess its 100% safe for cloakers to be afk in 0.0.
I hope you realize what you are saying is not even the point anyone here is trying to make. But then again, you love to post useless, arrogant comments when you don't have a friggin clue. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
DOARota
Gallente Guns of Liberty
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Posted - 2008.08.14 04:50:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: DOARota
Form a gang. Set it up for gank. Include gank battleships, tacklers, and of course a couple overpowered falcons.
Warp your gang through the belts and nuke rats all you want.Load up with sensor boosters and nuke them if they come in.Jam them with the Falcons.You can jam rats as well.
That's my point... I'm willing to do all that, IF we have assurance the cloaker is playing the game. Basically, if you are, then why would you have a problem with a cloaking nerf that enables you to be there. You're there anyway? Am I right? So, what's the point in being against a cloak nerf? Unless, you all secretly enjoy being afk and making us play your game while you color in your newest Telletubbies coloring book.
No need to be rude. The thing is , it's 0.0, nothing is safe there. I just pointed out that if you form a gank pvp gang and ratted as a group, everyone makes isk, nobody loses a ship, and the cloaker is no threat. He then has to come to the forum and post on how your ratting gang needs to be nerfed. He may be watching, maybe not. But you will have made him a non-factor.All of this will have been done without a patch. I've killed ratters and without a doubt 90% have been all alone in a system because they greedy and/or don't work as a team. Let them die. They deserve it.Ask them afterwards how it worked out for them. What's worse, ratting as a pvp group or being cloaked and unable to do jack squat about it ?
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:20:00 -
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one simple question : do you consider it ok for only one side to have 100% ability to chose WHEN and WHAT to engage? This covers both nanos and cloakers
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Djana Libra
Caldari Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:57:00 -
[232]
Edited by: Djana Libra on 14/08/2008 10:57:04
Originally by: Xeronn one simple question : do you consider it ok for only one side to have 100% ability to chose WHEN and WHAT to engage? This covers both nanos and cloakers
Yes Ow and the other side can nano/cloak as well
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:58:00 -
[233]
I looked at the OPs alliance name and stopped reading. Am I wrong? ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar! |
Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:06:00 -
[234]
Dear CCP,
Please can you collect and publish the statistics on how many players are doing the following:
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Please make it 100% safe for a cloaker to be afk while sitting in a 0.0 system for 23 hrs a day, 7 days a week, all month long.
as I'm sick to the back teeth of people like Pithecanthropus posting about stuff like this as if it's a problem.
While you're at it, please modify your log servers to collect stats of ships destroyed by ships that had been cloaked just prior to the attack.
If my guess that this amounts to less than 0.001% of all ship losses in all of eve please can I have some cake or beer?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:34:00 -
[235]
Sounds like someone is afraid of losing his unstoppable card... Especially as CCP is plugging the loophole of risk free hisec ganking...
Astounding how much hostility towards a simple timer this forum generates.. If you are too lazy to get off your fat lazy ass to change direction with a simple double click every 30 mins.. Then you need serious physical training in my view..
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Kristan Knife
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Posted - 2008.08.14 12:53:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
Well you lost the game just by comming here to make the thread. He (Ghostthor) is doing co-vert ops....and doing his job well. After all he made you come here to complain about him.....
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:17:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Zachstar Sounds like someone is afraid of losing his unstoppable card... Especially as CCP is plugging the loophole of risk free hisec ganking...
Astounding how much hostility towards a simple timer this forum generates.. If you are too lazy to get off your fat lazy ass to change direction with a simple double click every 30 mins.. Then you need serious physical training in my view..
Hostility to stupidity is more like it.
Any ship that can warp cloaked should not IMHO be effected by any timer/counter. The exception is Titan which also are un-effected by any timer/counter. Other ships get the counter. Length of time you can cloak is based on your cloaking skill and the quality of your cloak. The length of time before you can re-cloak is 'an' (i.e. different calculation) inverse of same. When cloaked, you disappear from local and you lose access to local.
BUT I really wish CCP could actually give us the raw stats from the server about how many people cloak, how long they cloak for, how many cloak and stay in one system (i.e. could be AKF) and for how long, and how often people are subsequently attacked by ships that had been cloaked on grid.
Then I am very sure we would see how this is such a NON ISSUE and modifications like those suggested above aren't really needed at all.
There are bigger problems in this game.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:47:00 -
[238]
There needs to not be anything complicated. A simple measure to defeat those who decide to keep their clients cloaked all night with no interaction will do fine...
Again if you are too lazy to change direction every 30 mins then you have serious problems..
There are more pressing issues.. However this one has a simple fix... Its those who fear for their abilities to be invincible all night long that are moaning about people proposing changes...
Take your pick.. Timer to move or allow cloakers to eventually be probed down... I suspect you will find a simple timer to be much preferable... And seeing as CCP will more than likely eventually do something about it (As they are doing with the risk free hisec ganks)...
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:02:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Zachstar Again if you are too lazy to change direction every 30 mins then you have serious problems..
Yeah. Lazy. I like that.
So, when my wife has shouted 'dinner' I now have 30 minutes to eat because of some arbitrary timer despite the fact I'm sat in a force recon with a cov-ops cloak...
So, when my wife decides she wants a shower so I've unexpectedly got to look after our baby, she had better not take longer than 30 minutes...
What about when the fleet-op is almost at a close but because of a gate camp I'm going to be delayed. So I safe spot and cloak rather than wait around.. OMG.. now I'm an AFK cloaker... keeellll heeeeeem.
Hadn't realized I was so lazy or was such a problem
Love your simple fix. Everyone gets a counter, or could be probed. Will work wonders.
I've got a even better 'fix'. remove cloaks from the game. There we go. fixed.
It's completely ******ed to turn this total non-issue into threads again and again. I'm sure I will now be branded as some sort of elite old time whiner.
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Hugoi
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Posted - 2008.08.14 15:12:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Zachstar There needs to not be anything complicated. A simple measure to defeat those who decide to keep their clients cloaked all night with no interaction will do fine...
Again if you are too lazy to change direction every 30 mins then you have serious problems..
There are more pressing issues.. However this one has a simple fix... Its those who fear for their abilities to be invincible all night long that are moaning about people proposing changes...
Take your pick.. Timer to move or allow cloakers to eventually be probed down... I suspect you will find a simple timer to be much preferable... And seeing as CCP will more than likely eventually do something about it (As they are doing with the risk free hisec ganks)...
First i think you should stop beeing stupid, next YOU should be the one stop beeing lazy and work your brain cells alittle and think of how you can tank 2-3 NPC bs and omgzor the all powerfull recon ship.
Ohh yeah and read intel channels alittle if your afraid that recon will pin you down.
And then again lets remove cloacks from indus and if ur too lazy to use scout for transporting goods thats your bad.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 15:42:00 -
[241]
Sadly i dont think its a question of if cloaking gets nerfed, but what gets nerfed first, cloaks or ecm. Vote against the nano nerf! |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 15:44:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
as I'm sick to the back teeth of people like Pithecanthropus posting about stuff like this as if it's a problem.
While you're at it, please modify your log servers to collect stats of ships destroyed by ships that had been cloaked just prior to the attack.
If my guess that this amounts to less than 0.001% of all ship losses in all of eve please can I have some cake or beer?
Until you've been part of it on both sides, don't sit here and make a case that you know what you're talking about. Fact is, if you are playing, there should be no reason why anyone would be against a timer and recalibration time for cloaks. But in the end, we all know they just like to leave their ship, go afk to stir up fear in a system while everyone who tries to bait wastes time, other's simply log off, and some move else where. Now you tell me, should someone who doesn't even play have that effect? No. Should someone who is playing have that effect... yes. So if you play your game, you are fine, but going to your ballet class while you afk cloak is not fine. A cloaking timer would solve that, and reassure MY time, and OUR time. Stop being a selfish weeny. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 15:50:00 -
[243]
Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 14/08/2008 15:50:54
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Dr Slaughter
as I'm sick to the back teeth of people like Pithecanthropus posting about stuff like this as if it's a problem.
While you're at it, please modify your log servers to collect stats of ships destroyed by ships that had been cloaked just prior to the attack.
If my guess that this amounts to less than 0.001% of all ship losses in all of eve please can I have some cake or beer?
Until you've been part of it on both sides, don't sit here and make a case that you know what you're talking about. Fact is, if you are playing, there should be no reason why anyone would be against a timer and recalibration time for cloaks. But in the end, we all know they just like to leave their ship, go afk to stir up fear in a system while everyone who tries to bait wastes time, other's simply log off, and some move else where. Now you tell me, should someone who doesn't even play have that effect? No. Should someone who is playing have that effect... yes. So if you play your game, you are fine, but going to your ballet class while you afk cloak is not fine. A cloaking timer would solve that, and reassure MY time, and OUR time. Stop being a selfish weeny.
When I started out you couldn't probe down logoffs which was a valid way of leaving the game due to RL. Then probes came in. Best way to 'leave game' due to RL now is cloak.
Cloaks already have re-calibration time. Timers should not effect cov-ops cloaks. I'm all for my suggested changes though.
and I can think of something else that's upright and makes arbitrary decisions about what it should do next. If you want to arbitrarily decide from my post that I haven't played 'both sides' then I will happily continue to think of you as one.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:02:00 -
[244]
Edited by: Pithecanthropus on 14/08/2008 16:02:32
Originally by: Dr Slaughter When I started out you couldn't probe down logoffs which was a valid way of leaving the game due to RL. Then probes came in. Best way to 'leave game' due to RL now is cloak.
No, the best way is to log at a safe spot without aggro, dock, or sit at a POS. You telling me we all should fit a cloak just to 'leave' the game? You're naive.
A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change.
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Sorolia
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:05:00 -
[245]
Edited by: Sorolia on 14/08/2008 16:05:45 oops posted with alt... see below
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:08:00 -
[246]
Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
Why dont YOU do something about it? Set up a trap. Use your brain, stop running to Mommy, the Government or CCP to solve your problems.
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:10:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change.
How about we have cloaked ships just randomly decloak and start spewing sparks? |
Chmod Hellscream
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:12:00 -
[248]
I'm currently spending my nice cloaked afk gametime reading the... nice cloaked afk whine thread Want a Cookie? |
Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:13:00 -
[249]
Originally by: Chmod Hellscream I'm currently spending my nice cloaked afk gametime reading the... nice cloaked afk whine thread
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:17:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change.
How about we have cloaked ships just randomly decloak and start spewing sparks?
How about we have cloaked ships use fuel so you can't sit afk and then go play with your G.I. Joe dolls? --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:24:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus Edited by: Pithecanthropus on 14/08/2008 16:02:32
Originally by: Dr Slaughter When I started out you couldn't probe down logoffs which was a valid way of leaving the game due to RL. Then probes came in. Best way to 'leave game' due to RL now is cloak.
No, the best way is to log at a safe spot without aggro, dock, or sit at a POS. You telling me we all should fit a cloak just to 'leave' the game? You're naive.
A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change.
What naive like you expecting me to be in a station system that I can dock at, near a friendly POS, or un-agroed.. just at that precise moment RL calls...
When-ever I think there's a chance of RL interfearing in my game time I decide to fly a recon so that I have additional options.
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Mojo Lux
Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:24:00 -
[252]
To Haniblecter...Space is a cruel mistress. Adapt or continue to be frustrated.
A few tips to help counter the oh-so-ebil Ghostie...rat in pairs, add some anti-gank mods to your ship, try baiting him, or...wait for it...rat in a different system (gasp!). If Ghostie (whom I know well and have flown with many times) is afk cloaking he can't follow you. If he is active you will know because he will follow you and you can act accordingly.
The cloaking afk tactic is a mind game and Ghostie has definitely gotten into your brain on this one. He has you hearing things that go bump in the night now - your eve world is filled with fear and doubt (oh noes!). Time for you to adapt and overcome, or go on whining in the cold uncaring void of space.
Unfortunately, since you decided to post this thread I can say with certainty that Ghostie will make you his special project. That cloaking red bull fueled fiend will now spend hour upon hour waiting for you. Your post has sealed your fate failbear (insert evil laugh heavy on the reverb)!! There is nothing you can do now young space tadpole...or is there?
As the co-founder and chief lobbyist of the Ghostthor Love Donation Movement I encourage you, anyone really, to donate .1 isk each day to that cloaking poo-flinging chimp . I can't promise specific results but it has been known to drive Ghostie absolutely nuts in the past. Just remember to label your .1 isk donation with "Wub Donation" or "Mojo Sent Me" or some such thing.
Mojo
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:25:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus How about we have cloaked ships use fuel so you can't sit afk and then go play with your G.I. Joe dolls?
I had a GI Joe, his name was Ken. He had this amazing li***uard outfit, it was pretty badass. But sadly I lost him a couple days ago playing in the sandbox.
-hOr
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:28:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Mojo Lux To Haniblecter...Space is a cruel mistress. Adapt or continue to be frustrated.
A few tips to help counter the oh-so-ebil Ghostie...rat in pairs, add some anti-gank mods to your ship, try baiting him, or...wait for it...rat in a different system (gasp!). If Ghostie (whom I know well and have flown with many times) is afk cloaking he can't follow you. If he is active you will know because he will follow you and you can act accordingly.
The cloaking afk tactic is a mind game and Ghostie has definitely gotten into your brain on this one. He has you hearing things that go bump in the night now - your eve world is filled with fear and doubt (oh noes!). Time for you to adapt and overcome, or go on whining in the cold uncaring void of space.
Unfortunately, since you decided to post this thread I can say with certainty that Ghostie will make you his special project. That cloaking red bull fueled fiend will now spend hour upon hour waiting for you. Your post has sealed your fate failbear (insert evil laugh heavy on the reverb)!! There is nothing you can do now young space tadpole...or is there?
As the co-founder and chief lobbyist of the Ghostthor Love Donation Movement I encourage you, anyone really, to donate .1 isk each day to that cloaking poo-flinging chimp . I can't promise specific results but it has been known to drive Ghostie absolutely nuts in the past. Just remember to label your .1 isk donation with "Wub Donation" or "Mojo Sent Me" or some such thing.
Mojo
Ok seriously... for the last time I handed in my poo-flinging chimp wings a LONG time ago... As I remember correctly about the same time you handed in yours.
...
Mojo... I hate you so much...
-hOr
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Surreptitious
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:48:00 -
[255]
Why dont you just demand that CCP deposits isk directly into your account weak-ass cry baby.
Your bad at videogames.
And because your whine was so epic I have already hit the locator agent and will be flying a covy-alt out to afk cloak in your system(s) tonight. I wont even bother spending time trying to gank anyone else but you.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:53:00 -
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Saying you ought to be able to permacloak with no interaction because of RL crap is beyond funny...
Whats next? Miners get to activate the "Special Shield" that has full resists when they need to take a break?
Ah the ole "What about dinner, school, RL" trick... What a silly excuse for being able to go to sleep knowing that you will NEVER be ganked as long as you are online...
Sorry, It aint flying, That little "feature" has hopefully been noticed by CCP by now and marked for "correction" .. How do I know this? From the hisec gankers that told me CCP would never end their insanely profitable and unblanced activity because they had some of "right" to risk free kills..
Cant double click to a new direction every 30 mins? Log off.. Cant deal with that? Don't go cloaking in zero sec... Learn to live with the risks of being in hostile territory like the rest of us..
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Drunk Driver
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change.
How about we have cloaked ships just randomly decloak and start spewing sparks?
How about we have cloaked ships use fuel so you can't sit afk and then go play with your G.I. Joe dolls?
Dude, stop thinking about dolls and learn how to deal with cloaking!
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Surreptitious Why dont you just demand that CCP deposits isk directly into your account weak-ass cry baby.
Your bad at videogames.
And because your whine was so epic I have already hit the locator agent and will be flying a covy-alt out to afk cloak in your system(s) tonight. I wont even bother spending time trying to gank anyone else but you.
Where have I heard this before... Let me try to put my finger on it.. AH the hisec pirates attacking those who dared say their risk free activity was unbalanced...
Hmm I seem to remember CCP thinking otherwise. They did not buy the "Right to gank" argument and they will not buy this "Right to AFK Cloak" arguement..
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:04:00 -
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Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 17:04:07 What a bunch of whiners.
Oddly enough, this complaint would not exist if local was gone, which is something CCP is looking into.
No local, you don't know if they is an AFK cloaker or not. Therefore, it changes nothing whether or not they are in local. It would be the same as if they logged off in system.
The reason people are complaining is because an AFK cloaker scares, them, so they don't go out ratting or mining because their afraid the Cloaker will warp in and tackle them, or destroy them. This is a reasonable fear, but it's also a cool way to wage war other than blobbing.
Economical, and Psychological warfare. You don't like it? Use some tactical thinking for once. I mean, with minimal planning you can set a trap. Try ratting in a BS with a few friends docked in station, or !GASP! a cloaker recon in space with you.
You want the benefits, deal with the risks. Period. Or get your arse back to High sec.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:09:00 -
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Thats the problem you have no risks...
You don't have to organize a roaming gang.. Fit ships wait for stragglers and do communication..
Need I go on?
You can't be probed.. You can't be found.. And you call us whiners for exposing you?
The simple fact is anything that is risk free and allows you to walk away from you keyboard with almost perfect safety while having an actual effect is wrong... Period.. Same goes for AFK miners...
Again I will say that if RL does not give you enough time to do zero sec operations DONT DO IT! If you cant get off your ass to double click in a new direction even.. Don't play EVE..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:16:00 -
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The way it needs to be
Cloaker spends hours finding a good target to hit jinking now and again to prevent decloaking attempts (The timer) Does this until he gets bored and then either finds a way to escape or log... Thus risk
The way it currently is..
Cloaker gets into system.. Builds safespot.. AFKs for half a day.. Gets to live life and when he is good and ready he may come back to eve to get his daily risk free kill or two.. Then AFK to go to sleep.. ONLY risk being during the attack if the enemy is willing to keep cloaked ships around all craft 24/7 which no alliance can reasonably do.. But could do if they were assured that cloaker was actually active...
So currently there is next to no reasonable risk..
Call it a whine but dont expect any mercy when you start whining when CCP nerfs the cloaks.. Most are asking for a timer.. But cloaks are so overpowered that I will not be surprised if they added fuel..
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 17:20:55 Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 17:20:26
Originally by: Zachstar Thats the problem you have no risks...
You don't have to organize a roaming gang.. Fit ships wait for stragglers and do communication..
Need I go on?
You can't be probed.. You can't be found.. And you call us whiners for exposing you?
The simple fact is anything that is risk free and allows you to walk away from you keyboard with almost perfect safety while having an actual effect is wrong... Period.. Same goes for AFK miners...
Again I will say that if RL does not give you enough time to do zero sec operations DONT DO IT! If you cant get off your ass to double click in a new direction even.. Don't play EVE..
Originally by: Zachstar The way it needs to be
Cloaker spends hours finding a good target to hit jinking now and again to prevent decloaking attempts (The timer) Does this until he gets bored and then either finds a way to escape or log... Thus risk
The way it currently is..
Cloaker gets into system.. Builds safespot.. AFKs for half a day.. Gets to live life and when he is good and ready he may come back to eve to get his daily risk free kill or two.. Then AFK to go to sleep.. ONLY risk being during the attack if the enemy is willing to keep cloaked ships around all craft 24/7 which no alliance can reasonably do.. But could do if they were assured that cloaker was actually active...
So currently there is next to no reasonable risk..
Call it a whine but dont expect any mercy when you start whining when CCP nerfs the cloaks.. Most are asking for a timer.. But cloaks are so overpowered that I will not be surprised if they added fuel..
Let me ask you this, if there is no local, and I am AFK cloaked, whats the difference between that, and logging off?
But lets assume the local nerf doesn't come anytime soon.
And no risk? I still have to decloak to attack you, and then I am using a High slot, which gimps DPS a bit, but more so, if I'm not in a recon/cov-ops, I have to decloak to warp, meaning you can see me coming, and secondly, I have to wait for a recalibration time to lock.
In a Deep safe spot I am virtually unfindable as well, should we nerf deep safes?
Did i mention Recons are paper thin? And with the speed nerf, and the already nerfed RSD's, I'm about to become more vulnerable than ever.
In combat the ship is FAAAAR from invulnerable. And so what if you can't find me. I'M CLOAKED. You shouldn't be ABLE to find me.
Uggha, freakin pansies.
EDIT: oh and your second post. LOL at risk free kills in a recon. Stop posting.
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Dwayne Dibly
UnderDog Industries Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Haniblecter Teg This is really a valid tactic? One that ccp endorses?
Cloak, then afk in your enemies ratting system for 22.5 hours a day, 7 days a week.
For the remaining half an hour--the time when you're not tooling around with your alt--you uncloak, scan out a ratter, and gank them.
We have a guy like this named Ghostthor. He's a raging **** for this.
CCP do something about this pure *********
New to the game are we? Or just new to 0.0?
Or just a pis%ed of ratter or miner that cant do anything due to fear?
Set up traps and catch these cnuts or come to the forums and whine **********
Level 5 Mission Database Returns!!
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:43:00 -
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Stop posting.. Aint that nice.. The cloakers realizing the potential for changes going to the usual tactics...
As for no local, No covops show in local or whatever... I am not CCP so I have no idea what they will do with that. But it is still a gate activation to get in and still a decloak to log off so there is ways to balance that trick..
It is going to be funny when CCP decides for a double whammy by adding fuel requirements.. Like they did with the hisec ganking issue..
Seeing as cloakers seem more willing to viciously defend their unbalanced gameplay than accept small changes meant to reduce AFK activity.. I think it is quite reasonable for CCP to go as far as to add substantial fuel requirements.. |
Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Stop posting.. Aint that nice.. The cloakers realizing the potential for changes going to the usual tactics...
As for no local, No covops show in local or whatever... I am not CCP so I have no idea what they will do with that. But it is still a gate activation to get in and still a decloak to log off so there is ways to balance that trick..
It is going to be funny when CCP decides for a double whammy by adding fuel requirements.. Like they did with the hisec ganking issue..
Seeing as cloakers seem more willing to viciously defend their unbalanced gameplay than accept small changes meant to reduce AFK activity.. I think it is quite reasonable for CCP to go as far as to add substantial fuel requirements..
I like you how dodge my points and just keep going.
Seriously. It's balanced, just because you want to sit in low sec/0.0 and rat with impunity for hours on end doesn't mean cloaking is "unbalanced." Seriously.
Recons cannot "risk free gank" Try ganking a Ratting cruise Typhoon in 0.0 with a solo rapier some time. Or an Arazu.
So maybe I could do it in a Vaga, Zealot or Sac? All three of these ships need to de cloak to warp. You can see them coming. and if they are cloaked in the belt waiting for you, then they have a recalibration delay.
Even so. If you're going to nerf something, nerf the ships that aren't designed for cloaking, don't nerf cloaking. That's just stupid.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 17:59:51 We did not ask for a cloak nerf we asked for an AFK timer.. Its the inability to accept that small change that will likely end up with yall having to deal with fuel for your cloakers..
But do go on claiming Cloak is balanced.. Im sure CCP will be quite interested in those statements as they were about the hisec gankers having a "right" to kill without risk..
Can't devote the time to double click every 30 mins? Don't cloak in zerosec...Accept your part of the risks of 00 life like everyone else.. If you are dedicated enough.. You will still get lots of kills.
Cloaking is way unbalanced and I do feel even a fuel mod is warranted.. However.. For now I think it is reasonable just to ask for an AFK timer and ask for the other major issues be fixed well first..
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler What they ask is quite reasonable. A clock which requieres the player to click each 15 min or so would be enough for now.
It isn't broken, it doesn't need a fix. The timer is stupid.
Recons have shit DPS, and for the most part shit tanking ESPECIALLY after the speed nerf, and arazu's already took a hit with the RSD nerf. the Pilgrim got boned from the Nos nerf, the rapier is about to have it's webs nerfed. The Falcon is the only one that isn't totally screwed, but it has shit DPS, and does it's job from ridiculous distance where it can't tackle.
Now you want to make them even worse by adding a fuel bay, or making them fruitlessly click in space?
uggha. Not necessary.
The only thing I Can POSSIBLY understand is the Ganking combat ships need to not be able to perma-cloak. It devalues the recon because it can perma-cloak.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Glach Duwat Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 18:08:28
Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 17:59:51 We did not ask for a cloak nerf we asked for an AFK timer.. Its the inability to accept that small change that will likely end up with yall having to deal with fuel for your cloakers..
But do go on claiming Cloak is balanced.. Im sure CCP will be quite interested in those statements as they were about the hisec gankers having a "right" to kill without risk..
Can't devote the time to double click every 30 mins? Don't cloak in zerosec...Accept your part of the risks of 00 life like everyone else.. If you are dedicated enough.. You will still get lots of kills.
Cloaking is way unbalanced and I do feel even a fuel mod is warranted.. However.. For now I think it is reasonable just to ask for an AFK timer and ask for the other major issues be fixed well first..
HOW IS A CLOAKING RECON KILLING WITHOUT RISK?!
you know what? you have to be troll. you can't be serious. That's how stupid you sound.
And how is making it fuel dependent NOT nerfing it? When I run out of Fuel I'm boned? what about extended trips through low sec, and 0.0. It basically makes Warping cloaked a waste of fuel, and then why bother flying a recon or cov ops?
the whole argument is stupid. There is one issue with cloaking, and thats the fact that people don't like hostiles in their system that they can't see.
Again I find a simple timer is fine. But I am saying that with the way they are overpowered I would "like" a fuel requirement. Especially seeing as the same attitude as those who saw their hisec risk free profits get exposed is shown here.
Its called a middle ground. I would like required fuel but that would require a bigger rebalancing overall.. So the middle ground is an AFK timer..
However if yall just continue to stonewall it. Do not expect any holding back when yall whine when CCP says "Screwit" and goes for fuel requirements to kill bunches of birds with one stone.. Like they did with the double whammy hisec concord changes.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 18:20:31
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler What they ask is quite reasonable. A clock which requieres the player to click each 15 min or so would be enough for now.
It isn't broken, it doesn't need a fix. The timer is stupid.
Recons have shit DPS, and for the most part shit tanking ESPECIALLY after the speed nerf, and arazu's already took a hit with the RSD nerf. the Pilgrim got boned from the Nos nerf, the rapier is about to have it's webs nerfed. The Falcon is the only one that isn't totally screwed, but it has shit DPS, and does it's job from ridiculous distance where it can't tackle.
Now you want to make them even worse by adding a fuel bay, or making them fruitlessly click in space?
uggha. Not necessary.
The only thing I Can POSSIBLY understand is the Ganking combat ships need to not be able to perma-cloak. It devalues the recon because it can perma-cloak.
Fruitlessly click? You mean double clicking every 15 mins is fruitless when you get a kill?
LOL
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Po3tank
Amarr Basgerin Pirate
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:28:00 -
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ok if a timer is ever implimentad i think the miners,mission runners,raters,anything that dose not move for 15 mins also will have to click in space
cloaking is fine leave it be its the only thing that keeps me flying these damn recons and sb
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 18:20:31
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler What they ask is quite reasonable. A clock which requieres the player to click each 15 min or so would be enough for now.
It isn't broken, it doesn't need a fix. The timer is stupid.
Recons have shit DPS, and for the most part shit tanking ESPECIALLY after the speed nerf, and arazu's already took a hit with the RSD nerf. the Pilgrim got boned from the Nos nerf, the rapier is about to have it's webs nerfed. The Falcon is the only one that isn't totally screwed, but it has shit DPS, and does it's job from ridiculous distance where it can't tackle.
Now you want to make them even worse by adding a fuel bay, or making them fruitlessly click in space?
uggha. Not necessary.
The only thing I Can POSSIBLY understand is the Ganking combat ships need to not be able to perma-cloak. It devalues the recon because it can perma-cloak.
Fruitlessly click? You mean double clicking every 15 mins is fruitless when you get a kill?
LOL
Suicide Ganking haulers, which have next to no defensive capabilities, is a shit ton different then a Recon trying to take down a ratter. Seriously.
There is a CRAP ton of risk involved in that. As someone who has done this shit against other alliances and seen how competent pilots react to it, you're being unreasonable.
AFK CLOAKING IS NOT RISK FREE KILLING. You're and idiot if you think otherwise.
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Sarin Adler
Caldari Saturn Ammo
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:31:00 -
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Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:33:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Glach Duwat Edited by: Glach Duwat on 14/08/2008 18:08:28
Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 14/08/2008 17:59:51 We did not ask for a cloak nerf we asked for an AFK timer.. Its the inability to accept that small change that will likely end up with yall having to deal with fuel for your cloakers..
But do go on claiming Cloak is balanced.. Im sure CCP will be quite interested in those statements as they were about the hisec gankers having a "right" to kill without risk..
Can't devote the time to double click every 30 mins? Don't cloak in zerosec...Accept your part of the risks of 00 life like everyone else.. If you are dedicated enough.. You will still get lots of kills.
Cloaking is way unbalanced and I do feel even a fuel mod is warranted.. However.. For now I think it is reasonable just to ask for an AFK timer and ask for the other major issues be fixed well first..
HOW IS A CLOAKING RECON KILLING WITHOUT RISK?!
you know what? you have to be troll. you can't be serious. That's how stupid you sound.
And how is making it fuel dependent NOT nerfing it? When I run out of Fuel I'm boned? what about extended trips through low sec, and 0.0. It basically makes Warping cloaked a waste of fuel, and then why bother flying a recon or cov ops?
the whole argument is stupid. There is one issue with cloaking, and thats the fact that people don't like hostiles in their system that they can't see.
Again I find a simple timer is fine. But I am saying that with the way they are overpowered I would "like" a fuel requirement. Especially seeing as the same attitude as those who saw their hisec risk free profits get exposed is shown here.
Its called a middle ground. I would like required fuel but that would require a bigger rebalancing overall.. So the middle ground is an AFK timer..
However if yall just continue to stonewall it. Do not expect any holding back when yall whine when CCP says "Screwit" and goes for fuel requirements to kill bunches of birds with one stone.. Like they did with the double whammy hisec concord changes.
Or you could use a system like "heat" to control the cloaks a non specialised cloaking ships can not vent the heat from the cloaking device - thus the larger the ship the more strain there is on the cloak and once it heats up it shuts down.
but i will not agree to any nerf to the covops/stealthbombers/recons -----------------------------------------------
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: midge Mo'yb Or you could use a system like "heat" to control the cloaks a non specialised cloaking ships can not vent the heat from the cloaking device - thus the larger the ship the more strain there is on the cloak and once it heats up it shuts down.
but i will not agree to any nerf to the covops/stealthbombers/recons
This at least makes sense. I could agree to this. Leave my recons the hell alone you cretins!
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
Finally! Someone who gets it..
Accept a little change or CCP will find an excuse to swing the nerfbat..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:39:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
If that is what you want.. Sure... Across the board is fine...
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Skyy
Caldari Sigillum Militum Xpisti
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:44:00 -
[278]
Originally by: Mojo Lux To Haniblecter...Space is a cruel mistress. Adapt or continue to be frustrated.
Don't listen to Mojo... his way of adapting is to leave his best friend behind :(
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Krows
Caldari Resource Reallocators Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:46:00 -
[279]
Okay **** is coming out now.
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Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:52:00 -
[280]
Threads like this, make my day of AFK cloaking so much more enjoyable.
-hOr
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:58:00 -
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Funny thing is we have the same cloacking ***s as ghost here and sometimes they kill a random fool in the belts but mostly its them who die or get chased off by fast responding alliance mates....rite guis! rite?
Nerph cloackors!!!! Nerph D-R!
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Sarin Adler
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.14 18:59:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
Are youa troll where I'm saying recons are overpowered. This has nothing to do with reckon and a lot to do with cloacking in general.
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Glach Duwat
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Sarin Adler
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
Are youa troll where I'm saying recons are overpowered. This has nothing to do with reckon and a lot to do with cloacking in general.
Ouigh, you said, "Before it gets out of hand" How can something get out of hand if it's in complete Balance?
why should I accept any nerf if no nerf is needed?
and Zachster, I was being sarcastic, Every game has people who are AFK, Why should eve be any different? just because you don't feel safe 100% does not mean that the game is broken.
That's all I have to say, it's stupid to argue, I've made my points and you've not answered the big question anyway.
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Sarin Adler
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:15:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid, and clicking once if you're playing is not such a problem.
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
Are youa troll where I'm saying recons are overpowered. This has nothing to do with reckon and a lot to do with cloacking in general.
Ouigh, you said, "Before it gets out of hand" How can something get out of hand if it's in complete Balance?
why should I accept any nerf if no nerf is needed?
and Zachster, I was being sarcastic, Every game has people who are AFK, Why should eve be any different? just because you don't feel safe 100% does not mean that the game is broken.
That's all I have to say, it's stupid to argue, I've made my points and you've not answered the big question anyway.
Before AFK cloacking gets out of hand, not recons. Danger is ok & should be something natural in lowsec and nullsec but afk cloacking ia no brainer no matter how you put it.
If you want to stay cloacked in safe sport for hours while you're in front of the computer is fine; but if you're not there, why should you be there spending server bandwith?
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Sebea on 14/08/2008 19:21:40 Zachstar is selectively reading what the dev said anyway, they are thinking of adjusting NON RECON cloaks. NOT cov-ops, recons, sb's or black ops, as it is their JOB TO REMAIN CLOAKED in system, it was made that way BY DESIGN.
of course, in his nerd-rage he's overlooking that statement and foaming at the mouth screaming nerf nerf nerf again.
The fuel requirement idea was to have an effect on NON CLOAKING SHIPS such as ratting bs, and other combat vessels working ala Burn Eden style.
Course, we all know how deadly cov ops frigates can be, and of course i can understand why he would want to make them weaker...
There were ships designed to be unfindable, hence the ability to warp cloaked, that only a select few ships have, get it? Their tanks are weak, their DPS is laughable for their ship size, and yet, in all that, its not enough for players like you, you NEED EVERY SHIP TO IN EVE TO BE KILLABLE WHEN YOU SAY IT SHOULD DIE OR YOU'LL STOMP YOUR FEET AND WHINE UP A STORM TILL MOMMY GIVES YOU COOKIES!!!11!!
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:28:00 -
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Fortunately.. from another thread:
Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 02/11/2007 03:29:03 With all these Nerfs, Infinity: Quest for Earth is getting better looking every day. No you can't have my stuff.
Please... sign-up today, cancel your account and **** off somewhere else.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:31:00 -
[287]
Wow I must be someone quite important to actually have my history searched.
Don't you wish I held the same view.. Too bad..
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:39:00 -
[288]
you know...in all these pages of whining and moaning, not one of you have brought up an even more comparable point. Why is there such an outcry for "AFK" cloakers, but not such an equal cry to nerf "afk" war targets in stations?
Surely there along the same line of play. Why whine about one, and not the other? And seriously, Teg, I had far more respect for you...but for some reason since you guys joined EC, you've turned into nothing but a noob ***got who's complaining about pathetic shit. _____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Wow I must be someone quite important to actually have my history searched.
Don't you wish I held the same view.. Too bad..
Whatever.
You've said you're leaving the game, ironically I found that out after you suggested I should quit 0.0 because I can fly cloaked recons ships because sometimes (I don't do it all the time) I don't have as much play time as other people.
Personally, I'm staying as I like the game and think with a modi****of intelligence it can be improved. You don't IMHO seem to be adding anything constructive. So, go on, y'all, put your money where your mouth is and quit. 0.0 and eve obviously aren't for you.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: RuleoftheBone on 14/08/2008 20:28:08
Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Glach Duwat
Originally by: Sarin Adler Like the nano problem, the nerfbat will hit stronger if it gets out of hand, think twice, i don't want recons screwed neither.
AFK cloacking is stupid,
I just think it's hilarious you think that Recons could possibly be over powered.
I think people who afk DOCK should have to click every 30 minutes.
If that is what you want.. Sure... Across the board is fine...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA......errrrr .
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
3-You don't get off so easy as "fine across the board". You want a cloak nerf? The rest of us want to see everyone "supposedly AFK" in a station or POS ejected to a random location in space every thirty minutes or so .
How you like dem apples shweetheart?
Same advice as for previous know-nothing attempting to dictate how others play the game:
NEVER undock Zachstar! Stick to forum whoring, whining, and generally making yourself look rather pathetic. It's the only way to be sure .
p.s. Pressing F5 or "refresh" doesn't count as a keystroke ingame either dontcha know .
*F1 Cloaks and chuckles*
**EDIT**Better yet wait for ambulation so you can freely watch your pacifier arc gently out of the pram in all it's pixelated glory .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Deira Lenia
The Chaotic Order Void.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:37:00 -
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Cloak needs to be buffed.
Most my targets warp away when i decloak the megathron next to their puny ratting raven.
Hell, why are you even bothered by a person that AFK cloaks 22,5 hours a day? If hes AFK that means you can use the system freely. And If hes there. Does your alliance only own 1 system? Or are all 300 of yall stuffed into the same one?
Cant see it on the map, so you must have more space out there.
You sir, need to learn why people AFK cloak in hostile system, and how to make them leave. And no, i'm not going to tell you. Your corp is 2 years older then this char is. So after you complained im a nubbin you can go ask them.
Also, whats wrong with multi-accounting? Instead of running L4's with 2x CNR. I run them with 1 CNR and plant my other char in hostile local. Keeps them off their money-making. And i get rich at the same time!
It's a Win-Win situation. I get rich, and you cant afford a new ship after i ganked that raven. -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums |
Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: RuleoftheBone
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
OMFG... Knowing whether they are or not... is NOT the issue. Being afk cloaked IS the issue. People do it... to afk in a system all day affecting and impacting the play styles of many if absurd. I'm not afraid of cloakers, I don't care what they do... I'm all for recons causing havoc in enemy systems... but I'm not for people walking away and achieving the same thing they can if they actually played. That is a huge flaw. It doesn't matter what is achieved... it matters HOW it is achieved.
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Baaldor
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:48:00 -
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I think this kind of funny.
When the lights are on everyone is cool. But turn off the lights and they curl up in a corner imagine all kinds of spooks.
So basically you are asking for a night light?
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Souldemba Mataka
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:51:00 -
[294]
My God ppl get a life ... 22.5 hrs WTF .... u must be lacking viatiam D in your ****up bodies. You going to kill yourself if you play that many hours ... or get fatter.
Will someone lock this thread .... it boring and stupid. So what if this guys cloaks and then logs off. Who give a flying toss. Kill him
THE END
Please can someone lock this thread
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:51:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Baaldor I think this kind of funny.
When the lights are on everyone is cool. But turn off the lights and they curl up in a corner imagine all kinds of spooks.
So basically you are asking for a night light?
I think you are referring to the 'remove local' thread... I suggest you find it between your bath time and you bed time story, child. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:55:00 -
[296]
Edited by: Farrqua on 14/08/2008 20:55:31
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Baaldor I think this kind of funny.
When the lights are on everyone is cool. But turn off the lights and they curl up in a corner imagine all kinds of spooks.
So basically you are asking for a night light?
I think you are referring to the 'remove local' thread... I suggest you find it between your bath time and you bed time story, child.
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:42:00 -
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I'm sorry but I may be a little slow on the uptake here.
So how many ships does an AFK cloaker kill, whilst AFK?
And if there is an AFK cloaker in a system, does that stop the use of stargates to move to another system?
If you did move to another system and the AFK cloaker entered said system, then he/she wouldn't be AFK and that would be like watching local for enemies anyway? Surely at that point, normal safety precautions would apply and the Corp/Alliance you were in would act.
Sorry but... what is the issue here? Am I missing something?
Mag's
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:44:00 -
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Haniblecter, the afk cloaker probably doesn't realise what this is doing to his electricity bill if that's any consolation
More seriously, can't you just go to another system?
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.14 23:12:00 -
[299]
Originally by: Mag's I'm sorry but I may be a little slow on the uptake here.
So how many ships does an AFK cloaker kill, whilst AFK?
And if there is an AFK cloaker in a system, does that stop the use of stargates to move to another system?
If you did move to another system and the AFK cloaker entered said system, then he/she wouldn't be AFK and that would be like watching local for enemies anyway? Surely at that point, normal safety precautions would apply and the Corp/Alliance you were in would act.
Sorry but... what is the issue here? Am I missing something?
You are slow on the uptake.
What you're missing here is that people are CLOAKING. Some of these people are AFK!
...and our OP (and supporters/trolls) DON'T LIKE IT!
We can't have this! AFK cloakers are ANNOYING our OP. He doesn't feel SAFE.
and as other people have mentioned, it will get OUT OF HAND. Soon, we might have many people AFK and CLOAKED...
...and that will destroy the game, won't it... I mean... they're just cloaked there... not doing anything.
Don't you realise how TERRIFYING this is? Soon, even 500 man fleets will fear to enter a system, in case there is someone AFK cloaked there.
Alliances will fall. People will leave the game in droves.
AFK CLOAKING IS THE MOST LETHAL, TERRIFYING FORCE IN THE GAME! The OP doesn't like it!
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.14 23:39:00 -
[300]
Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Mag's Stuff....
You are slow on the uptake.
What you're missing here is that people are CLOAKING. Some of these people are AFK!
...and our OP (and supporters/trolls) DON'T LIKE IT!
We can't have this! AFK cloakers are ANNOYING our OP. He doesn't feel SAFE.
and as other people have mentioned, it will get OUT OF HAND. Soon, we might have many people AFK and CLOAKED...
...and that will destroy the game, won't it... I mean... they're just cloaked there... not doing anything.
Don't you realise how TERRIFYING this is? Soon, even 500 man fleets will fear to enter a system, in case there is someone AFK cloaked there.
Alliances will fall. People will leave the game in droves.
AFK CLOAKING IS THE MOST LETHAL, TERRIFYING FORCE IN THE GAME! The OP doesn't like it!
CCP! DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!
Damn... how will I sleep tonight with that kind of fear.
Mag's
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Qinglong Zhong
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Posted - 2008.08.15 00:00:00 -
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Dont like this dood afk cloaking in your space, then go afk cloak and kill some of his peeps in his space. It's a vicious cycle this internet spaceship game we play.
The validity of tactics shouldn't be gauged on you being tired of getting your a#$ kicked in your own space, but whether it works or not. Not only is he ganking pilots, but he's driving the locals crazy and disrupting daily opreations. Sounds like it's working to me. Tactic Valid.
PS .1 isk sent
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.15 00:29:00 -
[302]
Originally by: oilio
You are slow on the uptake.
What you're missing here is that people are CLOAKING. Some of these people are AFK!
...and our OP (and supporters/trolls) DON'T LIKE IT!
We can't have this! AFK cloakers are ANNOYING our OP. He doesn't feel SAFE.
and as other people have mentioned, it will get OUT OF HAND. Soon, we might have many people AFK and CLOAKED...
...and that will destroy the game, won't it... I mean... they're just cloaked there... not doing anything.
Don't you realise how TERRIFYING this is? Soon, even 500 man fleets will fear to enter a system, in case there is someone AFK cloaked there.
Alliances will fall. People will leave the game in droves.
AFK CLOAKING IS THE MOST LETHAL, TERRIFYING FORCE IN THE GAME! The OP doesn't like it!
CCP! DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:05:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue.
I do see both sides. I do have a clue.
However, I think that people are blowing this way out of proportion. You don't like it because it frustrates you. It's SUPPOSED to frustrate you.
Staying in a system permanently cloaked is a tactic. The tactic is working. You don't like the tactic and want to see it removed. The only way you could possibly get that to happen is by trying to argue that it is invalid, but the arguments are weak - really weak - to the point of being comedy.
A cloaked ship in your system can't do a damn thing if the pilot is AFK. Sometimes, he will not be AFK - he will be hunting people down in your system. When that happens, it is YOUR job (and that of the alliance who control the system) to hunt him down and destroy him.
If one loan cloaker in your system makes your system uninhabitable, then you are simply WEAK. Complaining to CCP makes you look EVEN WEAKER.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:05:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus the real argument has value and debate.
Thats just it, it doesn't have debate, or value, the mechanics are WORKING AS INTENDED (shocking i know).
Good to know that you support all your arguments with baseless name calling, and tons of personal opinion based off that name calling though.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:09:00 -
[305]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
OMFG... Knowing whether they are or not... is NOT the issue. Being afk cloaked IS the issue. People do it... to afk in a system all day affecting and impacting the play styles of many if absurd. I'm not afraid of cloakers, I don't care what they do... I'm all for recons causing havoc in enemy systems... but I'm not for people walking away and achieving the same thing they can if they actually played. That is a huge flaw. It doesn't matter what is achieved... it matters HOW it is achieved.
Bingo!
As for AFK for the other stuff..
If you are in the middle of space and you dont move.. You are afk..
If you are sitting in a cloak while taking a bath and then having a big meal afterwards while your targets are having to organize ops.. You are afk
If you sit in ship with a single beam on a roid that never changes targets.. You are afk..
Not exactly that hard.. Except for those desperate to keep their ill gotten gains..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:19:00 -
[306]
Originally by: Sebea
Originally by: Pithecanthropus the real argument has value and debate.
Thats just it, it doesn't have debate, or value, the mechanics are WORKING AS INTENDED (shocking i know).
Good to know that you support all your arguments with baseless name calling, and tons of personal opinion based off that name calling though.
They are not working as intended as it allows for no risk AFK period.. Not even hisec carebears can claim that ability..
But those who are desperate to keep this easy mode (Like those before yall who viciously attacked those who dared oppose the then system of no risk hisec ganking) are trying the usual tricks The calling of those who dare go against the norm whiners, telling them to leave EVE.. etc...
It diddn't work then and it wont work now..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:26:00 -
[307]
Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue.
I do see both sides. I do have a clue.
However, I think that people are blowing this way out of proportion. You don't like it because it frustrates you. It's SUPPOSED to frustrate you.
Staying in a system permanently cloaked is a tactic. The tactic is working. You don't like the tactic and want to see it removed. The only way you could possibly get that to happen is by trying to argue that it is invalid, but the arguments are weak - really weak - to the point of being comedy.
A cloaked ship in your system can't do a damn thing if the pilot is AFK. Sometimes, he will not be AFK - he will be hunting people down in your system. When that happens, it is YOUR job (and that of the alliance who control the system) to hunt him down and destroy him.
If one loan cloaker in your system makes your system uninhabitable, then you are simply WEAK. Complaining to CCP makes you look EVEN WEAKER.
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.15 02:32:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 15/08/2008 01:34:02
Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
To put it in perspective so even a nutjob like you can understand... how would you feel spending hours chasing someone, only to find out he's never been there? Or, would you rather spend hours chasing someone and realize he IS there and you could quite possibly catch him? OR, another example... you spend the day fishing, but later someone tells you the lake is empty. Gee... wouldn't it of been good to at least be reassured a fish could be caught?
Do you see the two sides? It's far unlike your misleading post... the real argument has value and debate. You, on the other hand, don't have a clue.
I do see both sides. I do have a clue.
However, I think that people are blowing this way out of proportion. You don't like it because it frustrates you. It's SUPPOSED to frustrate you.
Staying in a system permanently cloaked is a tactic. The tactic is working. You don't like the tactic and want to see it removed. The only way you could possibly get that to happen is by trying to argue that it is invalid, but the arguments are weak - really weak - to the point of being comedy.
A cloaked ship in your system can't do a damn thing if the pilot is AFK. Sometimes, he will not be AFK - he will be hunting people down in your system. When that happens, it is YOUR job (and that of the alliance who control the system) to hunt him down and destroy him.
If one loan cloaker in your system makes your system uninhabitable, then you are simply WEAK. Complaining to CCP makes you look EVEN WEAKER.
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
tbh, while crying about things with no risk, the high sec missioners should be looked at long before Recons who are doing their job should be.
Maybe im in your system scouting, making bookmarks, to attack your towers later. Kinda fits the job description doesn't it? why should i all of the sudden suffer from a fuel need to do the job my ship was intended to do?
For our "risk free" life, we have to suffer through little crappy tanks, and laughable dps. Seems a fair trade to me, or would you like to be the guy suggesting the Pilgrim be made weaker in some fashion?
Recons are being adjusted. The speed nerf is murdering the rapier, the nos and damp nerf killed the pilgrim and the arazu, and the falcon is where they want it, considering they nerfed then buffed it already.
In short, your arguments are falling on deaf ears.
If you notice, this thread, is full of people telling you your wrong. Do you mean to say that all of these people are cloakers looking to save their "easy mode"?
Personally, I'm a nano sac pilot, so this doesn't have an effect on me (different nerf for me), but I think your looking at it wrong.
Its also a literal stream of requests to lower the combat abilities of ships thats getting on peoples nerves.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:09:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
1-Gee how do you KNOW somone is AFK?
2-See 1
OMFG... Knowing whether they are or not... is NOT the issue. Being afk cloaked IS the issue.
If you are in the middle of space and you dont move.. You are afk..
If you are sitting in a cloak while taking a bath and then having a big meal afterwards while your targets are having to organize ops.. You are afk
how do you know? How do you know? HOW DO YOU KNOW?
Guess what-you don't!
"Big river keep on burning....zachstar's tears keep flowing"
Just stay docked and the boogeyman won't jump out of the closet .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:11:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Zachstar This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
"If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride"
Nice horse .
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:15:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Zachstar
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
The only difference between them logging off and them cloaking is your paranoia. You don't think to yourself, "THIS GUY IS LOGGED OFF, WHAT HAPPENS IF HE LOGS ON?!?!?"
Fact is while AFK they can't do anything, while at the computer they are just a regular player. If they are cloaked they can't follow you. So go to a different system, stop being a lazy bastard that you can't rat in your 20 man station system where no one will help you if you do get tackled anyway.
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Sophia Esperanza
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:37:00 -
[312]
lol, Cloakers win.
You know what ELSE i realized?
99% of This thread is Trolling and Flaming.
Epic...Epic...
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.15 09:08:00 -
[313]
How about a reply to my questions?
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
Ghostthor
Caldari Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.15 11:40:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Qinglong Zhong Dont like this dood afk cloaking in your space, then go afk cloak and kill some of his peeps in his space. It's a vicious cycle this internet spaceship game we play.
The validity of tactics shouldn't be gauged on you being tired of getting your a#$ kicked in your own space, but whether it works or not. Not only is he ganking pilots, but he's driving the locals crazy and disrupting daily opreations. Sounds like it's working to me. Tactic Valid.
PS .1 isk sent
You sir, just made my black books.
Not kew.
-hOr
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Chmod Hellscream
Demonic Retribution
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Posted - 2008.08.15 11:44:00 -
[315]
/me uncloaks /me sends Ghosthor .1 isk /me recloaks /me goes afk Want a Cookie? |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:05:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Sophia Esperanza lol, Cloakers win.
You know what ELSE i realized?
99% of This thread is Trolling and Flaming.
Epic...Epic...
How about a real response instead of the usual responses we saw during the discussion about hisec ganking..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:10:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Zachstar
I don't care what your definition of "Weak" is. Not in the face of a ganker being able to walk away and take a bath and pew pew when he is good and ready..
The insane part is those opposing a simple AFK timer.. No fuel no side crap.. But they know this means they can no longer just keep on all night, no longer means showers before pew pew, no longer means "easy mode" while those who are defending have to organize ops..
Nope now they have to sit on the computer and actually plan the attack and out.. If they can't do that they have no business operating solo in zero space..
Just like hisec easy mode ganking.. This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
The only difference between them logging off and them cloaking is your paranoia. You don't think to yourself, "THIS GUY IS LOGGED OFF, WHAT HAPPENS IF HE LOGS ON?!?!?"
Fact is while AFK they can't do anything, while at the computer they are just a regular player. If they are cloaked they can't follow you. So go to a different system, stop being a lazy bastard that you can't rat in your 20 man station system where no one will help you if you do get tackled anyway.
Funny calling me a lazy bastard when I have to organize ops when you can go take a shower..
Sorry very poor excuse for being able to do something while taking a nap.. Going to the movies or doing whatever you want..
If you cant sit at your computer doing the same thing you do not need to be in zero sec or even logged into EVE in my view..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 12:59:00 -
[318]
Originally by: RuleoftheBone
Originally by: Zachstar This will not last.. And that will not change despite how many times you can call someone a whiner or weak.
"If wishes were horses then dreamers would ride"
Nice horse .
As was the changes to hisec ganking..
Oh wait...
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.15 14:46:00 -
[319]
Originally by: Zachstar
Funny calling me a lazy bastard when I have to organize ops when you can go take a shower..
Sorry very poor excuse for being able to do something while taking a nap.. Going to the movies or doing whatever you want..
If you cant sit at your computer doing the same thing you do not need to be in zero sec or even logged into EVE in my view..
You don't have to organize ops, this is a game and you don't have any responsabilities unless you choose to take them. Telling me you are the one organizing ops doesn't impress me much either, it's not difficult.
Don't tell me you are organizing an op to kill 1 guy who is cloaked? That would be the most pathetic excuse for an op ever.
What I am saying is, you are trying to make CCP create a counter for something for which a counter already exists and it's a pretty ****ing easy one, it's called moving.
Considering how crappy the log in on this game is, it's good to never log off, quite frankly there is nothing wrong with being logged in and not at the computer. The only reason you have is 'I don't feel safe'. _______________
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Sebea
Bottomfeeders Science and Research
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Posted - 2008.08.15 15:46:00 -
[320]
Edited by: Sebea on 15/08/2008 15:46:34
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Zachstar
Funny calling me a lazy bastard when I have to organize ops when you can go take a shower..
Sorry very poor excuse for being able to do something while taking a nap.. Going to the movies or doing whatever you want..
If you cant sit at your computer doing the same thing you do not need to be in zero sec or even logged into EVE in my view..
You don't have to organize ops, this is a game and you don't have any responsabilities unless you choose to take them. Telling me you are the one organizing ops doesn't impress me much either, it's not difficult.
Don't tell me you are organizing an op to kill 1 guy who is cloaked? That would be the most pathetic excuse for an op ever.
What I am saying is, you are trying to make CCP create a counter for something for which a counter already exists and it's a pretty ****ing easy one, it's called moving.
Considering how crappy the log in on this game is, it's good to never log off, quite frankly there is nothing wrong with being logged in and not at the computer. The only reason you have is 'I don't feel safe'.
ouch
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 16:55:00 -
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This thread is still going? Good god.
I'm sorry... complaining about 'afk cloakers' is lame. An "AFK" cloaker can't hurt you. If you PAY ATTENTION to the tools you have, (overview, local, intel channels, remaining aligned) an "at the keyboard" cloaker isn't a threat either.
Hint: Only 2 ship types in the game can lock without delay after de-cloaking, NEITHER of which can warp cloaked. So what you're saying is:
1) I am too lazy to use intel channels 2) I am too lazy to make sure I align while ratting/mining 3) I am too lazy to watch my overview 4) I am too lazy to warp out the instant I see a red/neut on overview 5) My alliance sucks so much that we don't have a defense gang that will come kill, or at least run off, the silly cloakers when they attack. 6) My alliance also sucks because even when we know the cloakers are active we do nothing about them.
Please... do your entire alliance a favor and stop posting. You are making them look completely inept... Stating that ships that are DESIGNED to do exactly what they are doing are 'broken' is sheer idiocy. Now... 'non covops ships' who cloak forever and a day? Yeah those irritate the hell out of me. I can completely understand not wanting cloaked fleets in your system that just sit there cloaked all day waiting to drop a fleet on your head (burn eden and others) but *****ing about recons, covops, stealth bombers and blackops which are specifically designed to cloak? Get real.
You might get some sympathy if all you griped about were perma-cloaking non-cloakers but griping about ships specifically designed to cloak just makes you look like a fool.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:03:00 -
[322]
If you are surprised this thread is still going then why the long response? Maybe because there is a conversation to be had despite those who would rather bury it in insults of "Whiner" "Weak" "Make your Alliance look stupidz" or whatever...
I do support fuel for dedicated warp cloak ships but I do realize how that requires a greater rebalance and lots of work compared to an AFK timer...
If you think complaining that a person can take a shower, do whatever away from EVE in perfect safety while having an effect is worthless? Then surely you are wasting your time here no? If CCP will never consider it that is..
Tho I have confidence that CCP will understand the unbalanced advantage that gives and will respond in a way that will allow cloakers to still keep their tactical advantage yet remove the advantage for those who are abusing it for perfect safety AFK..
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Callib Gor'Karrithe
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:08:00 -
[323]
There's a pretty simple solution to this. We all need to go to the nearest locator agent and hunt down the OP. Then, collectively, we will ALL sit in his space, cloaked and AFK.
They're just lonely and trying to encourage more of the same activity... they're just not too good at asking about it.
That's really what this is all about, isn't it? You're just lonely. Dont' worry. We'll all help you out!!
:: heads off to the nearest locator to begin his work ::
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Argian
Minmatar AngelCor
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:17:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Originally by: Zachstar
Considering how crappy the log in on this game is, it's good to never log off, quite frankly there is nothing wrong with being logged in and not at the computer. The only reason you have is 'I don't feel safe'.
Well maybe it would be less of a pain to log on if everyone logged off instead of afk cloaking while doing their work, their laundry or washing their dogs.
Thinking of it, I wonder how many people would actually be online if there was no afk cloaking, afk missioning and afk mining.
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RuleoftheBone
Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:29:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Zachstar remove the advantage for those who are abusing it for perfect safety AFK..
You sitll have not answered:
HOW DO YOU KNOW?
"Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:34:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Zachstar If you are surprised this thread is still going then why the long response? Maybe because there is a conversation to be had despite those who would rather bury it in insults of "Whiner" "Weak" "Make your Alliance look stupidz" or whatever...
I do support fuel for dedicated warp cloak ships but I do realize how that requires a greater rebalance and lots of work compared to an AFK timer...
If you think complaining that a person can take a shower, do whatever away from EVE in perfect safety while having an effect is worthless? Then surely you are wasting your time here no? If CCP will never consider it that is..
Tho I have confidence that CCP will understand the unbalanced advantage that gives and will respond in a way that will allow cloakers to still keep their tactical advantage yet remove the advantage for those who are abusing it for perfect safety AFK..
You are totally missing the point that COVOPS, RECONS and BLACKOPS are designed to operate in hostile space. As such they have the ability to hide from hostiles regardless of whether they are at the keyboard or not. And, contrary to popular belief, most of us who pilot those ship types DO log out when we're going to be away from the computer for extended periods of time. But what you are proposing is completely game-breaking for those pilots. Requiring fuel to do their job? Their job is to be able to warp cloaked, sit cloaked, scout out the enemy... cloaked.... etc.... now you want to tell them they have to cart fuel around as well? In already gimped cargo bays? Please... get real. These ships aren't broken, they are doing the job they are designed to do.
Like I said... I don't much like people who perma-cloak in Ravens, Megathrons, battlecruisers... command ships... etc... But complaining about ships specifically designed to cloak is silly. Suggest changes that don't impact the ship class's ability to DO IT's JOB and maybe people would listen. But right now you're just mindlessly ranting about a ship that's been doing a job it's designed to do and isn't overpowered by any stretch of the imagination.
TBH I find it interesting that someone who has an anti-nerf logo in their sig is so hell bent on nerfing a ship they dont' even fly.
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:37:00 -
[327]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 15/08/2008 17:37:22
Originally by: Argian
Originally by: Dez Affinity
Considering how crappy the log in on this game is, it's good to never log off, quite frankly there is nothing wrong with being logged in and not at the computer. The only reason you have is 'I don't feel safe'.
Well maybe it would be less of a pain to log on if everyone logged off instead of afk cloaking while doing their work, their laundry or washing their dogs.
Thinking of it, I wonder how many people would actually be online if there was no afk cloaking, afk missioning and afk mining.
Actually, point of fact: Login handshake processes in computer systems are completely unaffected by number of users online at a given time as they're handled by separate computers from the ones that handle already connected users.
If people were logging out/in MORE (as this would supposedly cause) it would actually make the login servers work even harder, thus slower.
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Torso Addenda
Nihilists LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:37:00 -
[328]
The issue with AFK cloaking is simple: unlike most other game mechanics, it takes a magnitude more effort (manhours, skills, and mental effort) than the AFK cloaking itself to counter.
For CCP, the issue is just subscriptions. Does AFK cloaking create more player interest in continuing their now more expensive time cards than it destroys. At present, it probably leans to the negative side for their revenue. Uber griefers are a neccesary thing to keep interest in the game up, but CCP will find the balance that maximises their revenue.
I suggest two solutions:
1) A wholesale revamping of the cloaking system, in which cloaks act not to make ships invisible, but to reduce their signature radius, perhaps 100 fold. Probes can then seek them. On grid, all untargeted ships appear on overview intermittantly, proportional the ratio between the viewer's sensor strength and the ship's signature radius.
Hence even high skilled inties sometimes drop off overview, while immense ships like carriers and Titans are almost impossible to cloak effectively. This would in many ways improve game play. It would also improve physical plausiblity.
2) If we want to keep the present cloaking system, I suggest a trade that many will appreciate: all players have a afk timer of 10 minutes, and in return, cloakers are no longer visible on local. The character list on local offers the option of sorting the list by alphabet or by time elapsed since any player first appeared in system. Therefore, sorted by time elapsed, cloaker ships would appear briefly at the top of the list and immediately disappear, allowing all in system at that time to be aware of the presence of predators.
I'm sure there are problems with either idea, but at present the cloaking system is broken from standpoint of balance and for cloakers themselves - the gate system knows/reports who jumps/logs in while they are invisible to all others?
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:42:00 -
[329]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 15/08/2008 17:45:09
Originally by: Torso Addenda The issue with AFK cloaking is simple: unlike most other game mechanics, it takes a magnitude more effort (manhours, skills, and mental effort) than the AFK cloaking itself to counter.
You haven't trained to fly covops, recons or blackops have you :) Might want to rethink that statement.
Countering an AFK cloaker is simple: Fly in a ship that carries a point (yes, even a hulk can do this) Be ganged with other active pilots in system (so they can come to your aid) Be aligned when ratting/mining Warp out if a red/neut shows up on overview.
The mechanic is not broken. The perception of people who don't like it is.
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Aegis Osiris
Gallente Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:47:00 -
[330]
OP, thank you. You have inflated Ghosty's ego so much with this thread, he has become intolerable. We are about ready to gank him ourselves.
Here's something for your to consider. While he is AFK and cloaked, invincible and invulnerable, you are TOTALLY FECKING SAFE from him. See how that works?
You live in 0.0 space. Where in the description does 'safe' enter into it?? You are SUPPOSED to be paranoid by this. You are NOT supposed to whine about it, but to counter it. And yeah, there are ways that don't require a 20 man constant patrol of the system.
You wanna rat in peace? Mission in hisec. Thats what its for.
You wanna play in the big pool? Then take of your water wings, sunshine, and go for a swim. Just watch the deep end...there be sharks there. ________________________________________________ I went to CAOD and all I got was this lousy brain tumor...
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Torso Addenda
Nihilists LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.15 17:53:00 -
[331]
Au contraire, I fly both Cheetah and Falcon, and I've never personally been ganked by an AFK cloaker. When Burn Eden or Goonswarm black ops came to play, I just moved income ops to a part of the region distant from transit bottlenecks or station/outpost systems.
The issue is simply that the tactic, AFK cloaking, requires no vigilance at all, and fits fairly optimized for PvP ganking, whereas the counter, requires eternal vigilance, and fits that are less optimized for their own role. Yes, its possible to counter, but as I said, the counter requires a magnitude more effort and lost productivity than the tactic itself, and infinitely more if the player is in fact AFK.
Make cloaks probeable and you can go AFK all you like. At present the system does not work in the favor of CCP's revenue. And that's the only important question.
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:02:00 -
[332]
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 15/08/2008 18:03:11
Originally by: Torso Addenda Au contraire, I fly both Cheetah and Falcon, and I've never personally been ganked by an AFK cloaker. When Burn Eden or Goonswarm black ops came to play, I just moved income ops to a part of the region distant from transit bottlenecks or station/outpost systems.
The issue is simply that the tactic, AFK cloaking, requires no vigilance at all, and fits fairly optimized for PvP ganking, whereas the counter, requires eternal vigilance, and fits that are less optimized for their own role. Yes, its possible to counter, but as I said, the counter requires a magnitude more effort and lost productivity than the tactic itself, and infinitely more if the player is in fact AFK.
Make cloaks probeable and you can go AFK all you like. At present the system does not work in the favor of CCP's revenue. And that's the only important question.
Nonsense The counter for AFK cloakers is exactly the same practics anyone living in 0.0 should be doing EVERY SINGLE MOMENT they are in space. Period.
If you live in 0.0 you should: - Always watch local and overview for hostiles - Always be aligned to a safespot or pos - Always carry a point if at all possible - Always warp out the first moment you see a potential hostile show up on overview. - Always be ganged with other active pilots in system for mutual support/defense. You DONT need an active fleet for this. 4 or 5 ratting ravens showing up with points fitted is MORE than enough to scare off ANY 'afk cloaker' when they decide to show up. At least long enough for everyone to get safe.
The only reason people don't do these all the time?
Laziness and GREED. Ratters don't want to gang up because 'Zomg someone might show up in my belt and get part of my bounties!!!!' I've lived in 0.0 most of my EVE life... trust me... I've actually witnessed people saying this. It is NOT hard to counter cloakers. Not at all.
Ask Pandemic Legion how many times they caught me in a belt when they were camping RISE into the RHG cluster (hint: 0) ;) When I wasn't out fighting them I was actively ratting (and mining on my alt) right under their noses the entire time. And trust me... that was a LOT more than 1 or 2 AFK cloakers to deal with. But even in that situation yes absolutely our alliance forums were filled with moaning about 'afk cloakers are ebil' blah blah blah.
Bottom line: Learn to live in 0.0 or stay in empire.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:08:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Callib Gor'Karrithe There's a pretty simple solution to this. We all need to go to the nearest locator agent and hunt down the OP. Then, collectively, we will ALL sit in his space, cloaked and AFK.
They're just lonely and trying to encourage more of the same activity... they're just not too good at asking about it.
That's really what this is all about, isn't it? You're just lonely. Dont' worry. We'll all help you out!!
:: heads off to the nearest locator to begin his work ::
Great way to encourage people to post with their main eh?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:16:00 -
[334]
Absolutely hilarious that people are telling noncloakers to learn to live in 00 when they don't want to learn to double click every 10-30 mins... And learn to actually be on the computer instead of taking a shower and going to sleep.. While they have perfect safety while having an effect..
It was like when the hisec gankers told people to tank for their 10-20 blaster batships that they always could afford to lose because standings were easy to get and there way always insurance to make the kill extremely profitable..
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Empyre
Domestic Reform
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:20:00 -
[335]
i can't believe i'm about to post this as i absolutely hate the ease of playability the role of an afk cloaker has versus almost any other role in eve. God i can't believe i'm about to say this..
but you can counter it. you just need presence and security. think about it this way. if you had a company with a staff that only worked 8 hours a day, you built a building in a bad area and filled it full of capital assets, would you leave the doors unlocked when you aren't there simply because you don't agree with illegal tactics of thieves and burglars? i think not.
now afk cloaking isn't illegal (yet, hopefully) but the same theory can be applied here. make sure that you have enough people in your corp to cover all the time zones of the people who need protected. otherwise, this stuff will happen.
if your corp doesn't have people in employ that will pvp to protect you while you want to rat/mine then convince them to hire some or find another corp. because dissent will eventually tear the unprotected people from the ranks, and maybe even the rest that follow. and this is what afk cloakers hope for.. the ultimate grief.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:35:00 -
[336]
Edited by: Zachstar on 15/08/2008 18:40:33
Originally by: Empyre i can't believe i'm about to post this as i absolutely hate the ease of playability the role of an afk cloaker has versus almost any other role in eve. God i can't believe i'm about to say this..
but you can counter it. you just need presence and security. think about it this way. if you had a company with a staff that only worked 8 hours a day, you built a building in a bad area and filled it full of capital assets, would you leave the doors unlocked when you aren't there simply because you don't agree with illegal tactics of thieves and burglars? i think not.
now afk cloaking isn't illegal (yet, hopefully) but the same theory can be applied here. make sure that you have enough people in your corp to cover all the time zones of the people who need protected. otherwise, this stuff will happen.
if your corp doesn't have people in employ that will pvp to protect you while you want to rat/mine then convince them to hire some or find another corp. because dissent will eventually tear the unprotected people from the ranks, and maybe even the rest that follow. and this is what afk cloakers hope for.. the ultimate grief.
And they get it for free.. I am perfectly fine with a cloaker watching the results of him hanging around and changing direction "Jinking".
The problem is not about that.. Its the fact that he can do with with absolutely no effort once he is in.. He can go take a bath.. Go to the movies.. Go to sleep.. Whatever with perfect safety..
I will admit tho that the BIGGEST problem comes from cloaker fleets.. And I am glad it seems it is being noticed and dealt with.. So don't think I am just targeting the covops guys..
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Qinglong Zhong
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Posted - 2008.08.15 18:36:00 -
[337]
Originally by: Ghostthor
You sir, just made my black books.
Not kew.
-hOr
...but Mojo Lux and someone named N0vix sent me.
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Fir Q
Minmatar Trident Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.08.15 19:16:00 -
[338]
wow this thing is still going?
and lol @ TNT claiming they made our lives miserable. right... lol.
Anyways, take this to the Features and Ideas Discussion Forum already.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.15 19:24:00 -
[339]
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Countering an AFK cloaker is simple: Fly in a ship that carries a point (yes, even a hulk can do this) Be ganged with other active pilots in system (so they can come to your aid) Be aligned when ratting/mining Warp out if a red/neut shows up on overview.
The mechanic is not broken. The perception of people who don't like it is.
I have no problem doing that if all of us involved can be reassured there is actually a human being behind the other computer. Can you comprehend that? If you are there anyway, you should have no reason why you would be against a cloaking change to insure this. Right?
Would you fish in a lake if it was empty? --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man. |
Mojo Lux
Killer Koalas Kingdom of Butan
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Posted - 2008.08.15 19:50:00 -
[340]
Originally by: Qinglong Zhong
Originally by: Ghostthor
You sir, just made my black books.
Not kew.
-hOr
...but Mojo Lux and someone named N0vix sent me.
Hehehe, I wouldn't worry too much Qinglong. According to some very knowledgeable people in this thread Ghostie is either in the shower or sleeping 23 hours a day all the while enjoying an incredibly unfair tactical advantage which robs ratters/miners of the ability to defend themselves, organize ops, correctly fit their ships, watch local/scanner, rat in pairs, align properly, or even seek out alternative systems.
Besides, Novix and I have been in Ghost'sblack books for ages and nothing really happens.
Oh, and thank you for mentioning your .1 isk Wub Donation I almost forgot to send mine in today (horror!)
Mojo
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Machelli
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Posted - 2008.08.15 20:39:00 -
[341]
Something terribly amusing to think of: If (when) they ever decide to do away with local then AFK cloaking will no longer be an issue... you won't even know they're there, just as if they had logged off...
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.15 20:53:00 -
[342]
Again I'll post and hope for an answer from the nerf jockeys.
So how many ships does an AFK cloaker kill, whilst AFK?
And if there is an AFK cloaker in a system, does that stop the use of Stargates to move to another system?
If you did move to another system and the AFK cloaker entered said system, then he/she wouldn't be AFK and that would be like watching local for enemies anyway, wouldn't it? Surely at that point, normal safety precautions would apply and the Corp/Alliance you were in would act.
Sorry but... what is the issue here?
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 22:35:00 -
[343]
Originally by: Machelli Something terribly amusing to think of: If (when) they ever decide to do away with local then AFK cloaking will no longer be an issue... you won't even know they're there, just as if they had logged off...
Except for the gate letting everyone know a Covops entered system..
You think local is just going to go away?
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Soul Redemption
Caldari xtort
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Posted - 2008.08.15 22:36:00 -
[344]
s
Does this Ion supercharging Death Beam makes me look FAT?! *Zaaappp*
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.15 22:38:00 -
[345]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Countering an AFK cloaker is simple: Fly in a ship that carries a point (yes, even a hulk can do this) Be ganged with other active pilots in system (so they can come to your aid) Be aligned when ratting/mining Warp out if a red/neut shows up on overview.
The mechanic is not broken. The perception of people who don't like it is.
I have no problem doing that if all of us involved can be reassured there is actually a human being behind the other computer. Can you comprehend that? If you are there anyway, you should have no reason why you would be against a cloaking change to insure this. Right?
Would you fish in a lake if it was empty?
Before you know it they will be saying they have the right to use Macros and hacks...
Its silly how hostile people get when you go against their unbalanced style of play.. Or taking a shower.. Or going to sleep while the computer burns power..
Just like the hisec gankers..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.16 07:34:00 -
[346]
Originally by: Soul Redemption s
ay what?
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Dez Affinity
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 08:42:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Zachstar
Before you know it they will be saying they have the right to use Macros and hacks...
Its silly how hostile people get when you go against their unbalanced style of play.. Or taking a shower.. Or going to sleep while the computer burns power..
Just like the hisec gankers..
Ohhh, you are trolling, fell for it myself. _______________
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Laila Eldgorn
Caldari Certified Household Sweeping Consulting
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Posted - 2008.08.16 08:59:00 -
[348]
There could be afk timer which logs you out after being cloaked and afk for x minutes/hours. However, cloak is vital equipment for those who're not part of decreasing number of naptrains.
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Po3tank
Amarr Basgerin Pirate
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Posted - 2008.08.16 09:40:00 -
[349]
Edited by: Po3tank on 16/08/2008 09:41:27 just jump to the next system.watch for a local bump if it is the supposed afk cloaker that jumps in then that means he is not afk and you should deal with the problem accordingley FLAME TIME your a ****ing fool if you cant click the jump button or even possabley protect yourself,hell even dock up.plz do somthing besides cry becuse your world is not 100% safe. this is a mass multiplayer online game not a singleplayer game.get some friends and kll the hoe. /thread
edit:and plz dont put a damn afk timer in this game.I alrdy lose my connection to the server enuff.
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.16 09:44:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
Originally by: Drunk Driver
Originally by: Pithecanthropus
A cloak is simply too powerful of a module. I don't know if a timer is the fix, maybe it's fuel... but its definitely in line for a change.
How about we have cloaked ships just randomly decloak and start spewing sparks?
How about we have cloaked ships use fuel so you can't sit afk and then go play with your G.I. Joe dolls?
Not that bad of an idea... if I can carry a few hours of fuel for long roams ------------ CCP > Let's play the nerf a race game! Next up minmatar! |
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Xviix
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.08.16 10:15:00 -
[351]
I agree that its lame, therre needs to be some type of counter measure 2 stop it from being exploited
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.16 10:29:00 -
[352]
It speaks volumes that Zachstar and the other nerf jockeys, cannot answer my questions.
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:18:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Mag's It speaks volumes that Zachstar and the other nerf jockeys, cannot answer my questions.
Not 'can't' but 'won't' because they don't like the answer.
This thread really hasn't added anything new to the debate that's come and gone for years really has it?
Anyway forget about the nerf jockeys they just can't play the game properly.
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Siberys
Gallente Nebula Sharks
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:19:00 -
[354]
Edited by: Siberys on 16/08/2008 11:18:54
Originally by: Sweet Laylah Alliance name says it all tbh
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Rikeka
Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.08.16 12:05:00 -
[355]
Originally by: Ghostthor All of this for little ol' me?
I'm sorry.
-hOr
PS Rade if ANYONE sends me 0.1 isk, I'm ocming to 'visit' you... PSS You should be worried I play 23/7
Booo!
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.16 17:43:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Laila Eldgorn There could be afk timer which logs you out after being cloaked and afk for x minutes/hours. However, cloak is vital equipment for those who're not part of decreasing number of naptrains.
Why make it so complicated? A simple 15 mins of no activity means deactivation of modules time will do quite fine..
No need to turn this into the double whammy the hisec gankers got when they could not accept that Insurance for Concord kills was wrong..
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.16 21:44:00 -
[357]
FLAME TIME your a ****ing fool if you cant click the jump button or even possabley protect yourself,hell even dock up.plz do somthing besides cry becuse your world is not 100% safe. this is a mass multiplayer online game not a singleplayer game.get some friends and kll the hoe. Laughing /thread
And why wouldn`t the cloaker have to do the same eh? Can you actually read your posts? You are ridiculous . You go about how harsh eve is and how everyone should ALLWAYS be in a pvp fit and in a fleet and cary a point and a NOS and whatever...EVERYONE except the cloaker?
This isn`t about the raters not able to protect themselves, this isn`t about griefed people , this is about a game mechanic misused and abused to provide 100% safety Anywhere while still affecting the gameplay of others .
I don`t give a frack really if the cloaker is afk or not what i care about is that fact that i have NO way whatsoever to bring upon him the praised non-consensual PvP he claims to love so much . But the nerve to sugest that a red in local doesnt matter (the "so what can he do if he`s cloaked argument) is...OMFG..
Ok what i want to say is that the "targets" , the "defenders" should allways have the option to agressively pursue the threat and remove it , not only the option to wait it out . To sugest otherwise is either incredibly arrogant or down right stupid .
You would love EvE PvP to be a twisted-version of arena PvP ? where in an arena ussualy both sides agree on when to enter arena/engage , you`d like it t have that option just to yourself ...and wave your e-peen about how good you are at griefing and how eve is about nonconsensual PvP while you`d go to any lengths to avoid nonconsensual PvP .
Newsflash : nonconsensual PvP means someone can force PvP on you aswell as you can force PvP on someone else...it should Never work 100% one way . Sure , tactics, manouvering and deciding when to fight and when to run is great but it becomes broken when one side has 100% ability to decide when to fight and when to stay safe . But then again this is what nanos/WCS`s/cloaking is all about isn`t it?
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.16 22:15:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 16/08/2008 22:25:29
Originally by: Xeronn i have NO way whatsoever to bring upon him the praised non-consensual PvP he claims to love so much.
So a bait ship with points a large buffer and mates in the next system won't work? Are you for real?
Ok. I guess you are.
Just out of interest... please could all those posters that want cloaks nerfing help CCP decide that it's definitely a problem. Go through all your loss mails and identify all the times you've been killed by a until recently cloaked ship. I don't care about AFK or otherwise. I'm interested in:
1. How many ships you've lost to 'recently cloaked' ships, 2. The distribution of the type of ships you lost, 3. Where you lost them (0.0, low sec, hi sec).
Then do the same thing for all your other losses and compare and contrast. Please post your results here. I'm sure it will make fascinating reading for both sides of this argument.
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EveJoker
Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.08.16 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: EveJoker on 16/08/2008 22:23:07 Edited by: EveJoker on 16/08/2008 22:22:32 Edited by: EveJoker on 16/08/2008 22:21:35 Ive seen cloaking from both sides of the fence.
Cloakers are there for a reason, I saw it as a challange and enjoyed baiting them out.
Nowdays I would rather upset people more by killing "their" systems, but pos warefare sucks so much and I get a similar reaction from cloaking.
Nerf cloaking and the whiners will start on about login traps.
Edit: oh and its not like you dont have access to cyno jammers, jump bridges, safe pos and stations. Nerf docking tbh.
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Pithecanthropus
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Posted - 2008.08.17 01:34:00 -
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If you can't cloak and monitor your computer, playing Eve is far too complicated for you. What you are all calling a nerf to cloaks, is simply an assurance that you are playing.
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Paramite Pies
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Posted - 2008.08.17 01:45:00 -
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Originally by: Torso Addenda 2) If we want to keep the present cloaking system, I suggest a trade that many will appreciate: all players have a afk timer of 10 minutes, and in return, cloakers are no longer visible on local. The character list on local offers the option of sorting the list by alphabet or by time elapsed since any player first appeared in system. Therefore, sorted by time elapsed, cloaker ships would appear briefly at the top of the list and immediately disappear, allowing all in system at that time to be aware of the presence of predators.
This! In my opinion, a AFK timer of 10-30 minutes should be implemented to many situations, not just cloaking. But I like this idea. As it doesn't really effect no one else, but definitely eases the issue of this topic.
Torso Addenda, I approve your idea.
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Herring
Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.17 01:52:00 -
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There's some whinging going on here. While I don't care for the afk cloakers (I believe the mechanic gives them the chance to dictate too many terms of engagement too easily, at any point they choose when they ARE online), my real beef with afk cloaking is with certain exploration complexes that are being held open by afk cloakers so that others cannot complete them.
This, I have a problem with. Cloaking should be disabled within deadspace complexes. Period.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.08.17 03:21:00 -
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While I agree that playing afk psycho games is pretty cheesy if its overdone (23/7 dedicating a whole account might get in that direction), you have to see the other side as well: the time needed to warp in on a possible target after entering system makes it virtually impossible to catch anyone that watches local, no matter what you do he'll be safespotted and cloaked or docked up until you leave.
The only way to catch that kind of pilot is to have him getting used to your presence, and it takes a lot of time to get a coward to undock/uncloak, so I'd say valid tactic until the field is leveled in that respect. Its supposed to be low-/nullsec for a reason, and even if its your secured space you should never be completely safe.
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.17 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Herring There's some whinging going on here. While I don't care for the afk cloakers (I believe the mechanic gives them the chance to dictate too many terms of engagement too easily, at any point they choose when they ARE online), my real beef with afk cloaking is with certain exploration complexes that are being held open by afk cloakers so that others cannot complete them.
This, I have a problem with. Cloaking should be disabled within deadspace complexes. Period.
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Mortuus
Minmatar Fat J Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.17 03:44:00 -
[365]
It makes me sad that someone in my alliance started this....
Also, I have been trying to get this guy to try and jump me while ratting for a few days, sadly he has not =(
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Po3tank
Amarr Basgerin Pirate
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Posted - 2008.08.17 03:47:00 -
[366]
Quote: . Sure , tactics, manouvering and deciding when to fight and when to run is great but it becomes broken when one side has 100% ability to decide when to fight and when to stay safe .
rating ships are not ment for pvp im sry your ship fitting cant i win button the claoker but you need to deffend your home instead of carebear.... use a little somthing called tactics.
exp.you jump into the next system and then the afk cloaker jumps in, kill him end of story. if you are in lowsec/0.0 and you are unable to kill the cloaker with valid tactics instead of crying nerf you dont deserve to be in a 0.4 and bellow systems.go into high sec where you belong. |
Beardponderer
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.08.17 04:16:00 -
[367]
Yes, really.
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C4LYP50
HeXstoof
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Posted - 2008.08.17 05:27:00 -
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Originally by: Helox Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
Ummm..............they have! The "Undock Button"
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.17 05:59:00 -
[369]
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 16/08/2008 22:25:29
Originally by: Xeronn i have NO way whatsoever to bring upon him the praised non-consensual PvP he claims to love so much.
So a bait ship with points a large buffer and mates in the next system won't work? Are you for real?
Ok. I guess you are.
Just out of interest... please could all those posters that want cloaks nerfing help CCP decide that it's definitely a problem. Go through all your loss mails and identify all the times you've been killed by a until recently cloaked ship. I don't care about AFK or otherwise. I'm interested in:
1. How many ships you've lost to 'recently cloaked' ships, 2. The distribution of the type of ships you lost, 3. Where you lost them (0.0, low sec, hi sec).
Then do the same thing for all your other losses and compare and contrast. Please post your results here. I'm sure it will make fascinating reading for both sides of this argument.
Ok you have a good point there . Personaly last thing i lost to a cloaker (if i remember right ) was a hulk, and yea, I was afk ,
Oklet me try to rephrase
I find it great that a smaller force, IF really determined , using tactics/isk/skill/coordonation, can get past system defences unharmed , go in , cause damage and get out ...guerilla warfare...awessome...player skills and tactics should allways matter and should never be totaly undone by simple game mechanics.
But now reverse the issue . Shouldn`t a very determined /resourcefull/skilled (hehe not me...just a hypothetical one) defender be able to ACTIVELY pursue and stand a chanche to catch/kill the attackers?
Note that I say actively , I mean having a way to tacke the initiative and not simply beeing ready for the time you decide to take the initiative and fight . Sure if he` dumb hell fall for random bait...
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.17 06:16:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Po3tank
Quote: . Sure , tactics, manouvering and deciding when to fight and when to run is great but it becomes broken when one side has 100% ability to decide when to fight and when to stay safe .
rating ships are not ment for pvp im sry your ship fitting cant i win button the claoker but you need to deffend your home instead of carebear.... use a little somthing called tactics.
exp.you jump into the next system and then the afk cloaker jumps in, kill him end of story. if you are in lowsec/0.0 and you are unable to kill the cloaker with valid tactics instead of crying nerf you dont deserve to be in a 0.4 and bellow systems.go into high sec where you belong.
Great example! don`t bother reading or discussing just spew the same expired useless line over and over again and again ....clasic!Arrogance at it`s finest really!
WHat part of the "the cloaker is the only carebear in this situation" don`t you understand?He`s the one with the "look i`m 100% safe button!" He`s the one with the "i get to chose if i wanna PvP or not button". Probably he`s the one who doesnt deserve to be in lowsec/0.0 since he `s the 100% risk free player in most situations.
To be honest personaly i could care less about frig-sized cloakers , i can probably chase away cruiser-class ones easy , it`s not like he`s gona stay if he smells a neut, and i was never lucky enough to run into a BS class one...guess because a BS class cloaker may actually get caught and killed while a nanoed cruiser is guaranteed to escape if the pilot has any friggin clue.
Thing is chase him away and he`ll just go cloak again , and he`ll stay safe till HE decides to reactivate his PvP flag and decloak . Don`t tell me you don`t see the issue here....he`s 100% immune to PvP unless he decides to activate his pvp flag and declak.
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Po3tank
Amarr Basgerin Pirate
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Posted - 2008.08.17 07:51:00 -
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Edited by: Po3tank on 17/08/2008 07:52:07
Quote: nanoed cruiser is guaranteed to escape if the pilot has any friggin clue.
so what your telling me here is its not the fact that he is cloaked its the fact that he can run away becuse he is nano when you set a trap. that dose not sound like a cloaking ishue get your story strait befor you start crying nerf.
you seam to be having a nano problem my friend...
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 10:47:00 -
[372]
"Look! I am 100 percent safe!" button that is an excellent description for this current system without an AFK timer..
CCP the solution is quite simple and can easily branch out to other AFK problems.. A timer.. Some say 10 mins some say 15 I say 25 but the simple matter is.. If a person can be completely safe while having an effect away from the keyboard at ANY skill it is wrong.. The only "safe afk" place needs to be docked..
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Loike
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.08.17 11:00:00 -
[373]
This thread delivers epicly.
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Sral TBear
Mark Of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.08.17 11:05:00 -
[374]
i will say what i have said since 2005....
Make cloaks use fuel and dedicatet cloakers less fuel...siiiimple
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Karentaki
Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated
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Posted - 2008.08.17 11:14:00 -
[375]
Originally by: Xeronn
Originally by: Po3tank
Quote: . Sure , tactics, manouvering and deciding when to fight and when to run is great but it becomes broken when one side has 100% ability to decide when to fight and when to stay safe .
rating ships are not ment for pvp im sry your ship fitting cant i win button the claoker but you need to deffend your home instead of carebear.... use a little somthing called tactics.
exp.you jump into the next system and then the afk cloaker jumps in, kill him end of story. if you are in lowsec/0.0 and you are unable to kill the cloaker with valid tactics instead of crying nerf you dont deserve to be in a 0.4 and bellow systems.go into high sec where you belong.
Great example! don`t bother reading or discussing just spew the same expired useless line over and over again and again ....clasic!Arrogance at it`s finest really!
WHat part of the "the cloaker is the only carebear in this situation" don`t you understand?He`s the one with the "look i`m 100% safe button!" He`s the one with the "i get to chose if i wanna PvP or not button". Probably he`s the one who doesnt deserve to be in lowsec/0.0 since he `s the 100% risk free player in most situations.
To be honest personaly i could care less about frig-sized cloakers , i can probably chase away cruiser-class ones easy , it`s not like he`s gona stay if he smells a neut, and i was never lucky enough to run into a BS class one...guess because a BS class cloaker may actually get caught and killed while a nanoed cruiser is guaranteed to escape if the pilot has any friggin clue.
Thing is chase him away and he`ll just go cloak again , and he`ll stay safe till HE decides to reactivate his PvP flag and decloak . Don`t tell me you don`t see the issue here....he`s 100% immune to PvP unless he decides to activate his pvp flag and declak.
LOL @ CVA calling someone a carebear. I take it you want undocking nerfed too, since that's effectively a PvP flag too. ============= RE: The suicide nerf
Originally by: agent apple I believe I can safely speak for many of us when I say,
Dear Devs, Go Back to WOW
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Paramite Pies
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Posted - 2008.08.17 11:28:00 -
[376]
Originally by: C4LYP50
Originally by: Helox Can't CCP make it that I have to click a box that allows other people to engage in combat with me?
Ummm..............they have! The "Undock Button"
This had to be quoted for awesome.
EVE is a cruel game. and if you can't take it, go play some wussy game. When you go out into space you're putting your life on the line, just like you do when you walk outside.
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Ambien Torca
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Posted - 2008.08.17 12:09:00 -
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Edited by: Ambien Torca on 17/08/2008 12:09:25 Ratting in pairs is not really worth it in most places sadly (you¦ll make more money overall from highsec level 4 and you still have more risk in 0.0 anyway).
How to deal with them? Use same tactic on them and yep you need patience of a saint and some prober alts / scouts. This is the way to deal with people who do this currently. They camp you, you camp them. And both run level 4:s with alts while waiting.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.17 13:14:00 -
[378]
Proof or STFU that this is an issue
Come on.. where are the stats people?
Xeronn, I do understand you've got some good points btw. My suggested solutions is this:
Ships capable of fitting a cov-ops cloak (i.e. can warp cloaked) are not effected by any timers. Everything else gets a max. run timer based on quality of cloak and cloaking skill. There's a cool down timer too before you can re-activate, again based on the quality of your cloak and skills. Once cloaked you disappear from local, and local disappears for you and your ships scanner reduces to your current grid (if you can use probes that's un-effected). Titans are also excluded from timers until something more appropriate is worked out.
If you want to introduce fuel fine, but a max skilled cov-ops or force recon pilot had better be able to stay continually cloaked for several hours.
A simple timer that doesn't take into account:
Skills Ship time Module quality
is simple too simple.
Personally it's unlikely I will shift in my opinion and suggested solution until people start posting some raw stats about where/what/how often and to what they're losing all their ships.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 13:34:00 -
[379]
It it not too simple.. If you cant sit on the computer while logged in you have no business being in hostile territory..
We aint asking for "Play follow the leader or we think you are a marco and turn off your cloak and disable your shields"
A simple "Hey buddy you taking a shower after 25 mins of being cloaked?" Looks like its time to turn off the cloak module..
How to prevent this? When the box comes up telling you to indicate you are active (Changing direction) or you will decloak.. You do it.. You stay on the computer.. You do not get a "100 percent safety while I sleep" button.. And the game is more balanced..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 13:38:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Sral TBear i will say what i have said since 2005....
Make cloaks use fuel and dedicatet cloakers less fuel...siiiimple
Well covops and force recon really have an argument for being without fuel costs.. Mainly due to the fact that someone may need to do long stays in hostile territory..
So thats why a simple AFK timer is much better for them.. It allows the real players who actually want to do something to continue to be without fuel needs while the people who revel in their unbalanced ability to go to sleep or go to the movies while being 100 percent safe undocked will finally have to actually work.. Even if it is a simple double click every 25 mins..
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SiJira
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Posted - 2008.08.17 14:03:00 -
[381]
everything has already been said here and then discussed and then flamed and discussed again Trashed sig, Shark was here |
Xipheas
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Posted - 2008.08.17 14:50:00 -
[382]
Originally by: Zachstar Well covops and force recon really have an argument for being without fuel costs.. Mainly due to the fact that someone may need to do long stays in hostile territory..
Oh wait ...
Originally by: Zachstar So thats why a simple AFK timer is much better for them.. It allows the real players who actually want to do something to continue to be without fuel needs while the people who revel in their unbalanced ability to go to sleep or go to the movies while being 100 percent safe undocked will finally have to actually work.. Even if it is a simple double click every 25 mins..
And the same will apply to people who afk in a POS, right? Man, I just can't wait for the first 'I lost my carrier because the POS ejected me for being AFK' thread, that one will be a classic.
Don't get me wrong, AFK is not a valid play style in eve. But if a solution is implemented, it needs to be the equivalent of what happens when you disconnect. Anything else would require the same 'fix' to be applied to docking and sheltering in POS shields IMO. If cloaking is an instant '100% safe' button, then both of those are just the same. |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 15:11:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 15:12:55 I can see how AFK in a pos can be annoying.. And yes it is a bit silly as well.. But atleast it has a really good solution..
Blow up the pos
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.17 17:28:00 -
[384]
Originally by: Zachstar It is not too simple because I say so
So skills, quality of cloak, type of ship should have nothing to do with it and instead it should be all controlled by some arbitrary value arrived at by you, because, you know.. your view point is special.
When did you last get killed by a cloaked ship? How many ships have you lost to cloaked ships? What have you lost?
How often do AFK cloaked ships ruined your enjoyment of the game? Daily, Weekly, Monthly, or more likely always because they might be there? Of all your time in eve playing, what % of time has it ruined for you?
How do you know the pilot was AFK when you thought they were AFK?
With regards 'hostile territory' CCP will tell you that includes ALL of eve. I assume you think that your simple arbitrary solution is going to be applied to every pilot in eve with or without a cloak. After all..
'if you cant sit on the computer while logged in you have no business being in hostile territory..'
Obviously I don't actually expect you to provide any proof and answer my questions, you're just going to repeat yourself over and over until the threads locked or dies of old age.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 18:30:00 -
[385]
Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 18:33:29 Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 18:31:39 I have never been killed by a cloaked ganker
I have lost zero to cloaked gankers..
My points are based on principle and for those who have to endure such nonsence..
So before you declare I am some kind of inexperienced idiot for going against something that does not affect me.. Keep in mind the response on if I had (Defend your stuff better foo! go back to empire crybaby etc...) So I could care less..
Especially when the fix is so simple.. A timer
BTW a quote like that when I made no such post is libel..
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.17 19:19:00 -
[386]
Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 17/08/2008 19:19:15
Originally by: Zachstar BTW a quote like that when I made no such post is libel..
My solicitors can be located at Olswang in London. CCP can provide you with my personal details when presented with an appropriate court order, and, just so we're clear:
I think you obviously have a limited mental capacity based on your posts in this thread and would recommend, rather than seeking legal advice, you seek the help of a mental health institution.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 19:58:27
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 17/08/2008 19:19:15
Originally by: Zachstar BTW a quote like that when I made no such post is libel..
My solicitors can be located at Olswang in London. CCP can provide you with my personal details when presented with an appropriate court order, and, just so we're clear:
I think you obviously have a limited mental capacity based on your posts in this thread and would recommend, rather than seeking legal advice, you seek the help of a mental health institution.
Edit: Looks like I am hitting quite a few nerves here.. Sounds like a find just like the hisec gankers based on the responses I have been getting in this thread I will only laugh when CCP decides to nerf covops with fuel requirements or cooldown times like they did with standings AS WELL as cutting out insurance for concord kills..
As for you opinion on my state of mental health. I am glad that is your view. And I am glad that it is not true.. Now back to the topic please?
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.17 20:12:00 -
[388]
Originally by: Zachstar Edited by: Zachstar on 17/08/2008 19:58:27
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 17/08/2008 19:19:15
Originally by: Zachstar BTW a quote like that when I made no such post is libel..
My solicitors can be located at Olswang in London. CCP can provide you with my personal details when presented with an appropriate court order, and, just so we're clear:
I think you obviously have a limited mental capacity based on your posts in this thread and would recommend, rather than seeking legal advice, you seek the help of a mental health institution.
Edit: Looks like I am hitting quite a few nerves here.. Sounds like a find just like the hisec gankers based on the responses I have been getting in this thread I will only laugh when CCP decides to nerf covops with fuel requirements or cooldown times like they did with standings AS WELL as cutting out insurance for concord kills..
As for you opinion on my state of mental health. I am glad that is your view. And I am glad that it is not true.. Now back to the topic please?
Edited above and didn't see your post. Glad you're not a real nut job and only seem like one to me
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 20:18:00 -
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That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. Rather than "Come to it" later with a much more heavy handed approach..
We did not really ask for much standing change for the Hisec gankers.. We wanted removal of insurance for their unlawful ganks.. Yet they got both.. Therefore it can also happen here..
Instead of an AFK timer to get at the abusers.. They may do somthing that will harm those who use it legit purposes.. Don't think a cooldown timer or fuel for even covops is out of the question.. They have done MUCH MUCH MUCH larger nerfs before..
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2008.08.17 21:45:00 -
[390]
Remove local.
Problem solved.
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The Wounded
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.08.17 21:47:00 -
[391]
lock the topic, problem solved
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 21:52:00 -
[392]
Originally by: Space Wanderer Remove local.
Problem solved.
There is no such thing as "Remove Local" Local is intel that is just not going to be thrown away without some sort of replacement..
Besides that does not solve the problem of AFKness..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.17 21:54:00 -
[393]
Originally by: The Wounded lock the topic, problem solved
Don't quote the hisec gankers character by character..
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Pan Dora
Caldari Bears Inc Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.08.17 22:34:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Zachstar That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. Rather than "Come to it" later with a much more heavy handed approach..
We did not really ask for much standing change for the Hisec gankers.. We wanted removal of insurance for their unlawful ganks.. Yet they got both.. Therefore it can also happen here..
Instead of an AFK timer to get at the abusers.. They may do somthing that will harm those who use it legit purposes.. Don't think a cooldown timer or fuel for even covops is out of the question.. They have done MUCH MUCH MUCH larger nerfs before..
Can you please point us to your source of information about this concerns CCP suposely have?
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Po3tank
Amarr Basgerin Pirate
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Posted - 2008.08.17 23:03:00 -
[395]
Quote: My points are based on principle and for those who have to endure such nonsence..
I see no nonsence in somone unsing a pvp fit and tactics agenst somone who is not using tactics and is using a pve,rating,mission setup.
im glad you are able to defend yourself agenst the mean old nasty afk cloaker, so. now.tell me why the people that are enduring the so called "nonsence" cant defend themselves like you?
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White Ronin
Gallente Screenout
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Posted - 2008.08.17 23:20:00 -
[396]
Milk goes best with peanut butter sandwiches, regardless of the presence of afk jelly. --------------------------------------------- "There have always been ghosts in the machine . . . random segments of code that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. " |
kindrel
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.17 23:22:00 -
[397]
you must petition the afk jelly for killing the penutbutter
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oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.18 00:04:00 -
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I notice how zachstar has recently attempted to coflate the high sec ganking issue with AFK cloaking.
By his logic, they are effectively the same thing.
I was going to try to explain how AFK cloaking and fully-insured suicide ganking are very different, but then I realised that Zachstar must actually know this.
I have come to the conclusion that if Zachstar spent more time thinking about his arguments, and less time fantasising about sex with his dog, he might be better able to support his position against cloaking. |
Herring
Caldari Alcatraz Inc. Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.08.18 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Slaughter Proof or STFU that this is an issue
Come on.. where are the stats people?
Xeronn, I do understand you've got some good points btw. My suggested solutions is this:
Ships capable of fitting a cov-ops cloak (i.e. can warp cloaked) are not effected by any timers. Everything else gets a max. run timer based on quality of cloak and cloaking skill. There's a cool down timer too before you can re-activate, again based on the quality of your cloak and skills. Once cloaked you disappear from local, and local disappears for you and your ships scanner reduces to your current grid (if you can use probes that's un-effected). Titans are also excluded from timers until something more appropriate is worked out.
If you want to introduce fuel fine, but a max skilled cov-ops or force recon pilot had better be able to stay continually cloaked for several hours.
A simple timer that doesn't take into account:
Skills Ship time Module quality
is simple too simple.
Personally it's unlikely I will shift in my opinion and suggested solution until people start posting some raw stats about where/what/how often and to what they're losing all their ships.
The proof: certain parties are using afk cloakers to keep complexes open until they can come back to complete them (aka while they sleep). Because of this abuse your exclusion of covert ops ships isn't quite acceptable. There should be either a timer or a deaspace cloak exclusion.
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Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.18 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 18/08/2008 09:19:09
Originally by: Herring
Originally by: Dr Slaughter stuff
The proof: certain parties are using afk cloakers to keep complexes open until they can come back to complete them (aka while they sleep). Because of this abuse your exclusion of covert ops ships isn't quite acceptable. There should be either a timer or a deaspace cloak exclusion.
Wouldn't the solution there be to have complexes ignore the presence of cloaked ships in their de-spawn logic? ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest. |
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Xipheas
Evolving Strategies
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Posted - 2008.08.18 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar I can see how AFK in a pos can be annoying.. And yes it is a bit silly as well.. But atleast it has a really good solution.. Blow up the pos
Which would require teamwork with your alliance mates ... owait, isn't that the same concept that many people are suggesting to combat the afk cloaker?
I agree that cloakers keeping complexes open is broken, but my view is that it should be classed as an exploit, and should be dealt with as such by the GM's. If pos bowling can be confirmed as an exploit then dealt with by petition and investigation, I don't see how the complex issue needs to be treated any differently.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2008.08.18 09:51:00 -
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Edited by: Space Wanderer on 18/08/2008 09:52:31
Originally by: Zachstar There is no such thing as "Remove Local" Local is intel that is just not going to be thrown away without some sort of replacement..
That is the carebear approach. Local is not only intelligence, it is free intelligence. Since when do people have a RIGHT to intelligence? The replacement already exist and is called recon probes, scan probes and directional scanner. Maybe what hurts you is that it is not an effort-free intelligence? Mind you, I am not saying that scanning does not need some kind of improvement, especially in finding, or at least detecting, cloaking ships, if local goes away. But much less than you say and you can gather a lots of intelligence with the current system.
Quote: Besides that does not solve the problem of AFKness..
What problem? The only problem raised by afk cloakers is that they are using a free counterintelligence technique to counter a free intelligence technique. Personally I would feel much more comfortable if both things were to go away.
The real problem of afk-cloaking is that people have been so spoiled with their free lunch that cry when somebody breaks their toy...
EDIT: I read a good point after writing this post, which is people using afk cloaking to keep open complexes. As I said I would be comfortable if both local and afk cloaking were to go away.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 11:44:00 -
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If you have something against local.. Put it in a new topic along with the thousands that have come and gone since day one on the local issue.. I will be happy to debate you there about solutions..
Is this logic of yours 2 wrongs make a right?
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xipheas
Originally by: Zachstar I can see how AFK in a pos can be annoying.. And yes it is a bit silly as well.. But atleast it has a really good solution.. Blow up the pos
Which would require teamwork with your alliance mates ... owait, isn't that the same concept that many people are suggesting to combat the afk cloaker?
I agree that cloakers keeping complexes open is broken, but my view is that it should be classed as an exploit, and should be dealt with as such by the GM's. If pos bowling can be confirmed as an exploit then dealt with by petition and investigation, I don't see how the complex issue needs to be treated any differently.
Because the issue to AFK cloaking for plexes and AFK cloaking for action against enemies has a simple fix without the need to involve GMs every time it is discovered..
A 25 min AFK timer is simple, effective, and keeps from nerfing the primary mission of the Cloaked Recon craft which is intelligence gathering..
It's the hostility to this that could end up with CCP going with a more heavy handed approach in my view.. Just like the hisec gankers..
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Tempest Kane
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.08.18 11:51:00 -
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Local is only an intell tool due to the lack of any better option , CCP could easily be a bit more creative in the way we examine our enviroment.
Regards the OP: LOL. Mission Success.
If your been brung to a halt by 1 guy you need to return to empire. __________________________________________ - Tempest Kane, Band Of Brothers.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tempest Kane Local is only an intell tool due to the lack of any better option , CCP could easily be a bit more creative in the way we examine our enviroment.
Regards the OP: LOL. Mission Success.
If your been brung to a halt by 1 guy you need to return to empire.
I agree if he was not AFK. If a guy who was dedicated managed to passively disrupt operations like that, awesome..
That aint the problem.. Being able to take a shower or go to the movies while doing it that is..
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.08.18 13:29:00 -
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There's a reason why there isn't a trigger to automatically warp you to a SS everytime a red enters your system. Namely because the primary purpose of all locals showing up on local is for intel purposes but not to give you more leeway in terms of having to pay attention.
A cloaked afk guy is no more of a threat than someone who is docked up at an NPC station afk for days at a time. More importantly if you can't rat in null sec without protecting yourself from getting PK'd then you're doing it wrong. Its not meant to be safe and local isn't meant to sound a flashy alarm every time you should go dock your hulk.
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Space Wanderer
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Posted - 2008.08.18 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar Is this logic of yours 2 wrongs make a right?
If you really can't understand that some problems are interrelated with each other and that the proper fixes requires to take into account the interconnections between different problems... well I am glad you are not designing this game. And I seriously hope you are not into any branch of engigneering, for the sake of your customers.
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Vladina Krematoria
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Posted - 2008.08.18 14:12:00 -
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Easy enough fix if it is such a problem..which i dont think it is btw,..just playing devil's advocate..just add a timer where as if there is such and such a period of inactivity with someone's character they auto log off..hehehehe.
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.18 14:18:00 -
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Again I'll post and hope for an answer from the nerf jockeys, and yes that includes you Zachstar.
- 1. So how many ships does an AFK cloaker kill, whilst AFK?
- 2. If there is an AFK cloaker in a system, does that stop the use of Stargates to move to another system?
- 3. If you did move to another system and the AFK cloaker entered said system, then he/she wouldn't be AFK and that would be like watching local for enemies anyway, wouldn't it?
Surely at that point, normal safety precautions would apply and the Corp/Alliance you were in would act.
I am fully aware of cloakers in systems, as atm Atlas are sitting in and around us. This however provides us with lots of laughs and fun...... so what is the issue again?
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
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Alt altski
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Posted - 2008.08.18 14:26:00 -
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To idiots who cant counter ONE afk cloaker -
Stop whining , rat in pvp setups AND/OR rat in groups.
Its not very hard .... you know using your 10 friends in local who are also ratting to help straight away instead of running and docking when you cry for help.
Anyway most recons cant solo ratting bs nowadays, and if its something other than a recon afk cloaking just always be aligned ....
Theres a 3 second locking delay for recons to catch you and its alot longer for other ships ... if your aligned they cant catch you .. unless you go afk that is.
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Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.18 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Dora
Originally by: Zachstar That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. Rather than "Come to it" later with a much more heavy handed approach..We did not really ask for much standing change for the Hisec gankers.. We wanted removal of insurance for their unlawful ganks.. Yet they got both.. Therefore it can also happen here..
Instead of an AFK timer to get at the abusers.. They may do somthing that will harm those who use it legit purposes.. Don't think a cooldown timer or fuel for even covops is out of the question.. They have done MUCH MUCH MUCH larger nerfs before..
Can you please point us to your source of information about this concerns CCP suposely have?
^^This. Link the source of the CCP concerns about the cloak issue.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Alt altski To idiots who cant counter ONE afk cloaker -
Stop whining , rat in pvp setups AND/OR rat in groups.
Its not very hard .... you know using your 10 friends in local who are also ratting to help straight away instead of running and docking when you cry for help.
Anyway most recons cant solo ratting bs nowadays, and if its something other than a recon afk cloaking just always be aligned ....
Theres a 3 second locking delay for recons to catch you and its alot longer for other ships ... if your aligned they cant catch you .. unless you go afk that is.
Hostility will not get you any further then it did the hisec gankers..
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.18 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Alt altski stuff...
Hostility will not get you any further then it did the hisec gankers..
Asking straight questions doesn't seem to get me anywhere with you either.
I now believe you to be, no more than a troll. You're intent on avoiding certain questions, seemingly because you don't like the answers.
It quite obvious, why people are not taking you seriously.
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.18 17:58:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Zachstar
Hostility will not get you any further then it did the hisec gankers..
There you go AGAIN! You think that making statements about NULL SEC AFK CLOAKERS and HIGH SEC GANKERS in the same post will cause people to associate the two?
You think that CCP will look at your posts and think "Hell! AFK cloaking is the same as fully insured high-sec ganking?"
You're not a troll, you're a *****.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: oilio
Originally by: Zachstar
Hostility will not get you any further then it did the hisec gankers..
There you go AGAIN! You think that making statements about NULL SEC AFK CLOAKERS and HIGH SEC GANKERS in the same post will cause people to associate the two?
You think that CCP will look at your posts and think "Hell! AFK cloaking is the same as fully insured high-sec ganking?"
You're not a troll, you're a *****.
Oh but it is!
When we mentioned the risk free hisec ganking going on we got bombarded with hostility... Just as what is going on now..
I dont care what sec it is.. It is the same hostilely as then and thus the situation is the same the "Call the opposing group carebears, noobs, trolls, whatever enough and CCP will go away" mentality..
It did not work then and it won't work now..
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 18/08/2008 18:12:45
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Zachstar
Originally by: Alt altski stuff...
Hostility will not get you any further then it did the hisec gankers..
Asking straight questions doesn't seem to get me anywhere with you either.
I now believe you to be, no more than a troll. You're intent on avoiding certain questions, seemingly because you don't like the answers.
It quite obvious, why people are not taking you seriously.
I choose not to answer your question because either I already had in other posts or I just did not feel like it.. Your hostility is not helping you..
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Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:16:00 -
[418]
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pan Dora
Originally by: Zachstar That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. Rather than "Come to it" later with a much more heavy handed approach..We did not really ask for much standing change for the Hisec gankers.. We wanted removal of insurance for their unlawful ganks.. Yet they got both.. Therefore it can also happen here..
Instead of an AFK timer to get at the abusers.. They may do somthing that will harm those who use it legit purposes.. Don't think a cooldown timer or fuel for even covops is out of the question.. They have done MUCH MUCH MUCH larger nerfs before..
Can you please point us to your source of information about this concerns CCP suposely have?
^^This. Link the source of the CCP concerns about the cloak issue.
I would really like to know.
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Zachstar I choose not to answer your question because either I already had in other posts or I just did not feel like it.. Your hostility is not helping you..
Obvious troll is obvious.
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:30:00 -
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Edited by: Zachstar on 18/08/2008 18:30:07
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pan Dora
Originally by: Zachstar That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. Rather than "Come to it" later with a much more heavy handed approach..We did not really ask for much standing change for the Hisec gankers.. We wanted removal of insurance for their unlawful ganks.. Yet they got both.. Therefore it can also happen here..
Instead of an AFK timer to get at the abusers.. They may do somthing that will harm those who use it legit purposes.. Don't think a cooldown timer or fuel for even covops is out of the question.. They have done MUCH MUCH MUCH larger nerfs before..
Can you please point us to your source of information about this concerns CCP suposely have?
^^This. Link the source of the CCP concerns about the cloak issue.
I would really like to know.
What source? Do you mean where CCP is double nerfing Hisec ganking? http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=577
As for CCP concerns I meant that if CCP has identified it as an issue by now (Which I believe they have) Then that means they may take a heavy handed approach to this.
Therefore I am trying to get CCP to get for the simple solution..
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Taram Caldar
Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Xeronn
Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 16/08/2008 22:25:29
Originally by: Xeronn i have NO way whatsoever to bring upon him the praised non-consensual PvP he claims to love so much.
So a bait ship with points a large buffer and mates in the next system won't work? Are you for real?
Ok. I guess you are.
Just out of interest... please could all those posters that want cloaks nerfing help CCP decide that it's definitely a problem. Go through all your loss mails and identify all the times you've been killed by a until recently cloaked ship. I don't care about AFK or otherwise. I'm interested in:
1. How many ships you've lost to 'recently cloaked' ships, 2. The distribution of the type of ships you lost, 3. Where you lost them (0.0, low sec, hi sec).
Then do the same thing for all your other losses and compare and contrast. Please post your results here. I'm sure it will make fascinating reading for both sides of this argument.
Ok you have a good point there . Personaly last thing i lost to a cloaker (if i remember right ) was a hulk, and yea, I was afk ,
Oklet me try to rephrase
I find it great that a smaller force, IF really determined , using tactics/isk/skill/coordonation, can get past system defences unharmed , go in , cause damage and get out ...guerilla warfare...awessome...player skills and tactics should allways matter and should never be totaly undone by simple game mechanics.
But now reverse the issue . Shouldn`t a very determined /resourcefull/skilled (hehe not me...just a hypothetical one) defender be able to ACTIVELY pursue and stand a chanche to catch/kill the attackers?
Note that I say actively , I mean having a way to tacke the initiative and not simply beeing ready for the time you decide to take the initiative and fight . Sure if he` dumb hell fall for random bait...
Simple: hunt them when they're active. It's not hard to figure it out. And it's very easy to do. Now... I'm not about to tell you exactly how to do it but I will say this: Drakes and Hictors don't make good bait :) Get a little creative. Whenever I see people try to bait with mega tank ships I just laugh. It's not like a cloaker will attack a ship they KNOW they can't break the tank on. |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:38:00 -
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Right.. Hopefully a future AFK timer change will insure to everyone that it is an active stalker.. Thus the baits.. |
oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:38:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Farrqua
Originally by: Pan Dora
Originally by: Zachstar That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. Instead of an AFK timer to get at the abusers.. They may do somthing that will harm those who use it legit purposes.. Don't think a cooldown timer or fuel for even covops is out of the question.. They have done MUCH MUCH MUCH larger nerfs before..
[b]Can you please point us to your source of information about this concerns CCP suposely have?
^^This. Link the source of the CCP concerns about the cloak issue.
I would really like to know.
But you won't - not from this idiot. He implies that he has a direct line to CCP, and that HE is trying to hold them back from a major cloaking nerf.
He doesn't, of course.
I'm all for keeping this thread alive for as long as Zachstar is prepared to keep posting. I have faith that his own drivel is the best way for all to see that the "major issue" he is trying to highlight is a non-issue.
Bottom line is that Zachstar doesn't like AFK cloaking. Zachstar thinks that if he trolls for long enough, CCP will take note of him and act on his recommendations. Unfortunately for Zachstar, the issue HE has a major problem with isn't anywhere near as major for almost everyone else.
The issue of insured, no-risk, high sec ganking was seriously contentious - because people were losing ships, and the gankers suffered virtually no penalty.
Zachstar claims that this is the SAME as someone AFK cloaking in null sec. However, no-one loses a ship to an AFK pilot. When the pilot is not AFK and decloaks and attacks, it is no different than being attacked by any other ship... and normal combat tactics apply.
Zachstar knows this, of course, but he's a tool.
Sorry about the "hotstility" man, but you're an ******* and you need to be reminded of it repeatedly.
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Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:48:00 -
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So if I am such a **** and CCP will supposedly bypass this because I am such a **** then the hostily is for what? Helping your cause?
I NEVER implied I had any direct line to CCP my words were of my constant mentioning of the AFK timer when I could be asking for fuel or automatic decloak or whatever.. |
Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:57:00 -
[425]
Originally by: Zachstar So if I am such a **** and CCP will supposedly bypass this because I am such a **** then the hostily is for what? Helping your cause?
I NEVER implied I had any direct line to CCP my words were of my constant mentioning of the AFK timer when I could be asking for fuel or automatic decloak or whatever..
Your hostility is not helping you.. |
Farrqua
Minmatar Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:59:00 -
[426]
That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. ..
This is implying you have knowledge of or in contact with CCP. You are alluding to fact you have some kind of pull to directly affect the changes. |
oilio
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:03:00 -
[427]
Originally by: Zachstar That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now..
I have no cause with regards to AFK cloaking in null sec.
My "cause" as you put it is simply that I read the trolling/distortions that you use in support of YOUR cause, and I feel compelled to expose you for the jerk that you are.
As to your implication about a "direct line" - read the quote above as ONE example. Haven't you noticed that there's at best only muted support for your garbage?
Some people have spoken in opposition to AFK cloaking. Some people have actually used reasonable arguments (like the issue with exploratin sites). You have just trolled. I am trying to keep the spotlight on you and your weak arguments because I believe that's the best way to undermine them.
Like I said, keep posting your shite . |
Zachstar
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:05:00 -
[428]
Originally by: Farrqua That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. ..
This is implying you have knowledge of or in contact with CCP. You are alluding to fact you have some kind of pull to directly affect the changes.
If that is how you take it then I will correct myself and say that I have no line outside of this public forum or any additional pull. |
Dr Slaughter
Minmatar Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:15:00 -
[429]
Originally by: Farrqua That is unfortunate as I am attempting to get CCP to go for a light solution now.. ..
This is implying you have knowledge of or in contact with CCP. You are alluding to fact you have some kind of pull to directly affect the changes.
Passes Farrqua the baton, some pre-history that keeps repeating itself but fortunately seems to be ignored by CCP, and goes AFK.. |
Nikkoli
Immortalis Kruoris
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:21:00 -
[430]
every time I see topics like this, I have to laugh because if the person is afk 23 hours a day, then why are you even concerned that they exist? if they are AFK then they aren't even there to know you exist, so why bother caring if they exist? |
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CCP Mitnal
C C P
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:40:00 -
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Locked.
Thread has gone as far as it could in terms of constructive content and is now full of flames. |
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