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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2008.08.16 01:01:00 -
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Gah, one minute I think I have time and then a few dozen things happen at once. This will have to be more breif.
The specifics of the traditional Rebirth ceremony tend to be a private affair. Broadly speaking, the transfer occurs between the dying person and very newly born child. There are a battery of tests that can be done as the child ages to know whether they have truly been Reborn. On the technological side, there is a close relation between the Rebirth process and what we now use for jump clones, in much the same way the Jovian cloning technology helped lead to the technological Rebirth process. It's fairly well documented in texts on the subject but there is some lingering debate on whether the technological version is "true" rebirth in the sense of the mechanisims used.
Without the bits refering to god, purity and judgement, "our actions in life determine the nature of our souls" is pretty close to the teachings of Ida, which say that the soul brings the lessons it learned in the past life to the next. In one who is not Reborn it's much more of a blank slate.
*raises an eyebrow at Veron's female companion*. Jin-mei? I take it you're traveling or you live on a well-traveled station. I recal having heard you were married though, so don't do anything your God wouldn't approve. *smiles and winks.* I hear he's more strict on such things than we are.
((In truth there's painfully little in the PF about Rebirth and I'm less comfortable going out on a limb about it.))
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.08.16 05:08:00 -
[32]
<The holo transmission clears. An Amarrian male sits in an office, his back to a window that looks out onto the concourse of a Gallentean station.>
Most interesting Pilot. I have to wonder though. Since the soul being Reborn is transferred into a body already born, does the "incoming" soul push the existent soul out?
As mentioned, my faith tells us that souls are perfect and indivisible. Speaking only for myself, I would also infer that that would indicate that they cant be merged.
<Veron Daerth rubs his chin in thought>
Though, now that I think of it, demonic possession isnt unmentioned in Scripture, so perhaps it is possible for two separate souls to reside in the same corporeal shell...
Alas, that information is so scarce. I wish that there was a better way to accumulate knowledge of such things.
<Veron Daerth laughs>
As to Shian, well, yes, I am married, but I never said I was married to another Amarrian, did I? She would indeed kill me, long before God got around to it, if I was fooling around. Besides, I find the Jin-Mei way of thought to be quite... Imperial... when it comes government and organization. There are differences of course, but nothing that cannot be overcome with time and some effort. I am of course speaking on a personal level.
At any rate, I wish you luck, Pilot.
And the Lord said unto them, "Weep not, for the Trials you will face shall temper you, and give you Strength. He who can overcome Adversity, conquer Despair, and who can show true Wisdom and Mercy will have earned his place before Me. He will know of Goodness and Plenty in the House of the Lord.
((My wife swore she would make a Khanid, SWORE IT. Later, I was informed that women have the right to change their minds. Silly me. And I have damn all of an idea how to work this in, since she INSISTS as RP-ing as my wife. And frankly, absolutely internally consistent RP on my part here in the IGS isnt worth taking the chance of sleeping on the couch. Sorry bout what this is gonna do to my backstory.))
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2008.08.16 06:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Veron Daerth
Most interesting Pilot. I have to wonder though. Since the soul being Reborn is transferred into a body already born, does the "incoming" soul push the existent soul out?
The common belief seems to be that the older sort of "imprints" itself on the later. I guess I should empathize that little of this is universaly agreed on.
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<Veron Daerth laughs>
As to Shian, well, yes, I am married, but I never said I was married to another Amarrian, did I? She would indeed kill me, long before God got around to it, if I was fooling around. Besides, I find the Jin-Mei way of thought to be quite... Imperial... when it comes government and organization. There are differences of course, but nothing that cannot be overcome with time and some effort. I am of course speaking on a personal level.
Ah, you didn't say "wife" so I assumed wrongly. I think it reflects well on you. My parents are also mixed-bloodline: my father a Gallentian and my mother an Intaki. It's statisticly more common an occurance in the Gallente worlds than anywhere else though. My mother is not much of a traditionalist but her mother was; I suppose I got a lot from her side of the family.
((Really, it fits your "progressive" image...now we should quit dropping OOC comments before we get scolded.))
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.08.18 06:03:00 -
[34]
Indeed Pilot Brightman, I to understand how events can overtake one and leave little time for more.. cerebral pursuits. <Veron Daerth laughs> I do hope that the matter was not too taxing.
I also understand that the glimpse you have given me into "Ida" is not to be interpreted as strict adherence to the strictures of that faith. That said, I think it goes without saying that you understand far more of it than I.
Imprinting you say. Hmm, most interesting. I wonder if the "old soul" manifests as a separate entity at times, or if it exerts influence over the body of the host in a more subtle way.
<Veron Daerth muses on the idea>
I wonder, could you tell me, do you know if any vestige of the "old soul" is manifested by the new person? Habits, tastes, ideas, etc.? It truly is fascinating, really.
The idea that the soul can attain immortality of its own accord is, of course, not .... hmm ... "supported"... yes, thats a good word... not supported by the Faith of my people. But it does raise some interesting questions if it is true.
I wonder what the soul in question would say, especially if it can manifest itself in the host body. What its point of view on matters that seem to monumental to us, who are not immortal. Would such an immortal being, not truly bound by machines and cloning technology as we are, see things as we do? Would the motivations and desires and wants that drive us be regarded in the same light?
I wonder what such a being would say about current events, how things would look from its point of view. Truly fascinating. Your thoughts, Pilot Brightman?
Also, no apologies are needed. Shian was a friend before she was ever my wife. I think its one of the reasons she puts up with me. Since my parents are dead, I do not have to worry about what they think. Besides, my father was quite the type to push the boundaries of custom and tradition. Undoubtedly his example has rubbed off on me. I am sure my parents would not object.
My current peers now... well, they might. Good thing that their good opinion of me is not a driving force in my life. My friends and colleagues and loved ones understand me, and that is all I care about. It does however, tend to make things somewhat difficult at times though.
Well, that was almost another tangent again. It seems I DO possess the urge to ramble on and on. So I shall stop here.
God grant you Wisdom, Pilots.
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Xenea
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Posted - 2008.08.19 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: RhajKa
Heresy is a technical theological term. It is the denial of a dogma of the Amarr. A dogma, in turn, is a doctrine that has been infallibly taught, by the Theology Council...
For 10,000 years we did fine without the Council. In truth, you are the heretic. |
Kimochi Rendar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.19 10:14:00 -
[36]
Originally by: RhajKa
A dogma, in turn, is a doctrine that has been infallibly taught, by the Theology Council or by an Empereor acting as head of the Amarr faithful
There is no such thing as an 'infallible' human being. Humans, by our very nature are flawed and imperfect, and more than capable of error. The Theology council is made of humans, and the emperor or empress is a human, therefore their teachings cannot be infallible be definition.
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Vilius Naseum
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Posted - 2008.08.20 03:17:00 -
[37]
You know Veron you seem pretty wishy washy for an Amarrite. Are you sure you know where your loyalty lies? You talk a lot about this religious stuff but you arent a priest. What makes you think you know anything. |
BloodBird
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.20 12:39:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Vilius Naseum
You know Veron you seem pretty wishy washy for an Amarrite. Are you sure you know where your loyalty lies? You talk a lot about this religious stuff but you arent a priest. What makes you think you know anything.
Ugggh... firstly, again, it's "Amarrian" not "Amarrite", where did you get that idiotic word from?
Secondly, DAERTH seems suspect? I can only assume that's what you meant...
Here we have yourself, a clueless, respectless, a-moral trader and self-confessed slaver, telling one of the most enlightened Amarrians in the cluster that your not sure about his loyalties, that he talks alot about religion despite not being... a priest... and then you dropped the gold-corn: "What makes you think you know anything."
Wow... you know, I could go on dismantling your extreme ammount of naivete and utter cluelessness for quite a while, but I'll just be content with asking you a simmilarly stupid question:
What makes you think you know anything, Mr.Naseum? It seems to me that you think all Amarrians are slavers, and that all treat their slaves like mud by default.
At any rate, I'll let others pick your sad excuse for an argument apart a little now...
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.08.20 23:07:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Veron Daerth on 20/08/2008 23:07:38
<Veron Daerth seems lost in thought, then leans forward and looks right into the holo-vid pickup.>
You know, Mr Naseum, it seems suspicious that you suddenly take an interest in my interest of other religions. I must admit that it surprised me to see you leave a communication in here. I gave it and your other responses some thought and have come to the conclusion that you sir, seem a bit... hmmm ...juvenile, perhaps, in the manner of your communication.
I will be the first to admit that I know little of the universe and its glory. I understand little of the other peoples that I encounter and see, and even that here, in my home away from home, I am surprised daily. The peoples and places and cultures and societies and things that surround us are myriad. Anyone that sought to tell me that they understood it all, I would call a liar.
I am aware that I dont know everything. I am aware of my limits and what I can and cannot do. I ask sir, are you? I invite you to tell me of what you believe. I ask that you explain it and try to understand the world around us like others in this channel have done. If you cannot, I ask that you, sir, look with respect on those that try to do what you cannot.
We, each of us, is flawed. But some of us try to make ourselves better than what we are. We try to leave something for the ages that will be worthwhile. What will you leave?
In order to be better, to DO better, one must first understand oneself, and understand what one is capable of. Only then can you progress. I invite you to understand.
May the Light of God comfort you in times of Darkness. |
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