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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: Tristen Orde on 14/08/2008 03:01:34
I've been meaning to write a guide on this for a long while as I've never seen an in depth post about the world of can flipping. I know very well that it's viewed as a 'newbie's' game and is generally on the bottom rung of piracy, but I rarely have more fun in any other environment.
Unlike the guide in the Resource thread, Ore Theft 101, this is geared more towards killing the targets than just getting away with the ore. I really couldn't care less about the ore. With that, I present to you High Sec Combat: Can Flipping...
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Although not the most lucrative of high sec pirating activities, can flipping is one of the easier ways to find kills. Given that, you may still make respectable isk from ransoms and Tech 2 mining lasers, less so from actually taking the ore (I usually blow up the can). If nothing else, it will at least pay for any loses you take while can flipping.
Overall, flipping is a game of manipulation and patience. Gaining kill rights on someone that doesn't necessarily want to fight is not always an easy thing to do. Sometimes all you'll have to do is flip a can and the miner will attack. Other times, it might take some social manipulation to 'talk' the miner into allowing you kill rights. I'll give some examples of this further on.
Below are my observations on can flipping taken from doing it almost exclusively for the past year or more. I'll explain the basics followed by some more theoretical concepts. Sure, it is a very simple activity seen by someone on the outside... but there are more layers than most think.
I. THE BASICS
1.1 Aggression
1.2 Ships
1.3 Method
1.3.1 Locations
1.3.2 Scanning
1.3.3 Approach
1.3.4 Flipping
II. ADVANCED
2.1 Technical
2.1.1 Target Ship Types
2.1.2 Dealing with Drones
2.1.3 Dealing with Corporations
2.1.4 Identifying Baiters
2.2 Manipulation
2.2.1 Situational Responses
2.2.2 Social Manipulation
2.2.3 Concording Your Target
2.3 Corporation Involvement
2.3.1 Giving Your Corp Kill Rights
2.3.2 Your Corp Taking Kill Rights
I THE BASICS
1.1 Aggression
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Firstly, aggression rules. High sec isn't like low sec or 0.0. You must earn kill rights on someone through various means. War targets are the only ships you may shoot at, without being Concorded, anywhere in high sec without a prior method of gaining kill rights. Any enemy that is flashing bright red in the overview may be fired upon without concord involvement. Below are the various reasons you may be allowed to kill a pilot's ship:
-Pilot fires on your ship, either with or without kill rights on you.
-Pilot steals from a can or wreck you own
-Pilot repairs another pilot you already have kill rights on
The aggression timer lasts for 15 minutes. You'll have 15 minutes from the last time someone stole from you or the last time you shot at the target to fire at them. Engaging a target resets the aggression timer to 15 minutes.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:54:00 -
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1.2 Ships
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The most important element of can flipping is appearing as non-threatening as possible. Your main objective, after the obvious carebear destruction, is to make the flippee feel as though he can easily destroy the annoying newbie that is trying to steal his stuff. Due to this, Tech 1 frigates are the ideal ships for can flipping. They also happen to be extremely cheap, so you can lose as many as it takes for you to learn this craft! The major threat to any can flipper is drones. It takes a tough ship to destroy 5 Tech 2 Light Drones before they return the favor.
Amarr Punisher - In my opinion, this frigate is the ideal can flipping ship. It can put out a ton of damage and it's potentially the hardest nut to crack of all T1 frigates. The lack of a speed mod, as it only has two mid slots, doesn't matter much since 90% of your targets will already be at close range.
Minmatar Rifter - This ship is another ideal choice for can flipping (and probably the
best all-around T1 frigate). It is versatile and fast.
Caldari Kestrel - The Kestrel can be tanked well and puts out impressive damage with
rocket launchers.
Gallente Incursus - The Incursus is the ship I started in. Although it's decent, the
difficulty of surviving tough drones due to the lack of low slots makes it one of the
least ideal can flipping ships.
The Caldari Merlin and Gallente Tristan are also decent choices for can flipping. However,
because of split weapons systems and the slow overall speed of these ships, I chose to
list the four above as the preferable ones. Give other frigates a try, if you'd like;
maybe you'll make it work better than I did.
1.3 Method
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Can flipping, on a basic level, is a very simple activity. The steps to flip a can and take his stuff is ultimately one of the most basic 'jobs' one can learn Eve.
1.3.1 Location
The number of cans in a system is proportional to the number of people in a system divided by the number of mission runners. Basically, find systems that are well populated but are not mission systems as most of that population are in missions. Find a good base system (Sobaseki is a good example) and create multiple, circular routes throughout the whole area. 10-20 jumps is a good route and it should pass through other higher-population systems.
1.3.2 Scanning
I fly through most belts one by one. However, if a planet has four or more belts associated with it, I will warp to the planet and use the Ship Scanner to scan each belt individually with a 15 degree scan. You should hope to find a belt with both a ship and a cargo container, but if it's a .8 or above, warp in any way to make sure a lone ship isn't just using an unsecured Secure Container. You can steal from these or just scoop the whole thing with a hauler!
1.3.3 Approach
There are two methods of approach. The first is to simply warp into a belt at 0 and fly up to a can. There are situations where the second method is preferable, which will be worked thorugh later, that give better results. The second method involves warping into a belt, bookmarking a target can, warping to the nearby planet and then warping back right on top of the can.
1.3.4 Flipping
The last step; Flipping. The best way to quickly flip a can is to eject something from your own cargo next to their can. Some people like to move some items from the target can into their hold, eject it and then move the rest over, but this gives them kill rights on you before you're ready. Eject your own item (one piece of ammo works), open up both container windows and drag their items into your can. As soon as their items are dropped, they will have kill rights on you. Can flipping complete!
At this point you may decide to bring an alt hauler to take the ore, try to provoke a fight or, though odd, leave the guy alone.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:55:00 -
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II ADVANCED
The basics are enough to get anyone by, but who doesn't appreciate learning things and applying them later rather than failing multiple times without a clue as to why? This is split up into three sections. The first is about your own actions and how you should proceed or what you might expect. The second is more theoretically and gives some information on how the target might act to your benefit. The third is some additional basic information on how you may get your corp involved in your antics.
2.1 Technical
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These sections deal with the more absolute concepts and technicalities of can flipping.
2.1.1 Target Ship Types
In mining, there are only a few ships people will generally use. As with anything, there are exceptions to this list but they honestly aren't worth mentioning as they tend to be harder to predict.
Frigates - The mining frigates, almost not even worth mentioning or flipping the cans of, are the easiest targets you will find. These are usually week old players that may not even have a gun and do not have drones fit to attack you. They also don't have much ore.
Destroyers - The mining destroyers are just as much of a joke as the frigates. They will pull in more ore to steal, though. Also, they seem to be the most likely of any miners to engage a can flipping frigate if they have a weapon fit on the ship.
Mining Barges - Although technically a higher level than cruisers, they are always easier to kill. All mining barges will go down quickly unless set up as bait. They can fit 5 Tech 2 Light Drones for combat, but unless they're T2 or you're in a particularly fragile frigate, it's almost always possible to destroy the Barge before the drones kill you.
Cruisers - The common mining cruisers are still fairly easy to destroy. Both may carry a few drones and can also fit a weapon system or two to fight back with. Cruiser miners tend to be more willing than usual to engage a can flipper; apparently the weapon system makes them feel tougher than they actually are. They might field a light tank, but otherwise go down easily.
Battleships - For some reason, people think it is a good idea to mine in a battleship. Honestly, this is like painting a big 'Easy Target' sign on your back. What mining in a Battleships says to me is 'I need to make money as quickly as possible mining and I don't have time for the small ships. Oh, and I also think no one will bother me.' Wrong. Mining battleships are usually outfitted with nothing more than mining lasers, mining upgrades, a light tank and some drones if it is able to carry them. It might take quite a bit of ammo and some higher damage skills & weapon pairs, but they eventually fall. Even if it's a mining ship, it is satisfying to see a Rokh kill on the Killboard using a Punisher.
Hulks - Hulks are the prize of can flipping. They offer high ransoms and sometimes decent loot. They also might offer up a legimate tank and 5 T2 Light Drones. Otherwise, deal with them the same as a Mining Barge.
Mackinaws - I wasn't going to mention them, as I've only ever gotten a few to react to theft, but Mackinaws are dealt with the same way as a Mining Barge and aren't much of a threat.
2.1.2 Dealing with Combat Ships
It isn't uncommon for a miner to warp back to a station and grab a combat ship or for a miner to have combat ship guardians. In these situations, warping away to grab a larger ship while, hopefully, the combat ships steal the ore back is perfectly acceptable. As soon as the ship steals your rightfully gained ore back, you may warp in with the larger ship and destroy the target. This is covered further in Situational Responses.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:56:00 -
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2.1.3 Dealing with Drones
Depending on the ship type and drone type, it is perfectly reasonable to just ignore drones and destroy the ship. However, targeting drones and destroying them first allows an easier time convincing the target pilot to pay a ransom. It also might save you from being destroyed before you can destroy the target.
Light drones are difficult to hit, even with small close-range guns and good tracking skills. Webbing and destroying each drone individually is the most efficient way of getting rid of these annoying minions. Usually, three small close-range weapons can three-volley a Webbed light drone.
With that, Tech 2 Light Drones are the most common threat to a can flipper. They can quickly rip apart a Tech 1 fit frigate with lower skills. Tech 2 Medium Drones are much easier to deal with (some Battleships and Cruisers may have them) as they can't hit you as easily and are easier to destroy. If they seem like a threat, Warp Scramble the target and destroy each drone individually before moving on to the target. In most cases, the drones are doing MUCH more damage than the mining ship.
2.1.4 Dealing with Corporations
If the target is in a NPC Corporation, this section is completely useless as his corporation members can not come to his aid if you steal a can. However, if the target IS in a Player Corporation, any member of the same corporation (but not Alliance) may attack you. Due to this, it is important to open the Info for a target, select Relationships and change your view of their corp to -10. After doing this, you will be able to scroll through the chat window and any other members of their corporation in the system will show up with an associated color tag next to their name.
If there are no other corporation members in the system, proceed as normal. If there are, weight the different risks appropriately. Check the ages of the other members of the corp. Is it mainly a mining corp with little likelihood of PVPers? Are any of the other corp members in the same belt; if there is another corp member in the belt with a hauler, he's pretty useless as help.
Be aware that if there are other corporation members in the system, they may be able to warp in to aid their corp mate and attempt to destroy you. This could either give you some extra targets or cause your destruction. Thus, the weighing of the risks. An option of using your own corporation to deal with these situations will follow further on in the guide.
2.1.5 Identifying Baiters
Baiters have become more and more prevalent. These are people, usually in NPC corps or pirate corps, who pretend to be mining in a belt but are actually set up to quickly destroy any can flipping frigates that come along. Signs that someone might be baiting are:
-Mining drones but not actually mining from the ship
-Lack of mining lasers or only one when more may fit (I've seen Barges do this, too)
-A negative sec status
-In a uncommon mining ship, good examples being the Moa or Vexor cruisers.
Baiters are usually fit specifically to destroy frigates using small weapons with high tracking, webifiers and capacitor neutralizers.
2.1.6 Ransoming
Except for the rare lucky drop of a faction mod from a Hulk, ransoms make up the bulk of a can flippers income. Ransoming is usually performed after the target ship is into structure and, preferably, after drones are destroyed. At this point, you may convo the target and ask for an amount of isk for the opportunity to be let go. What this amount is depends heavily on the ship type, if it's tech 1 or tech 2, how old the player is, what he might be carrying and how willing the pilot is to pay.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:56:00 -
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Edited by: Tristen Orde on 14/08/2008 02:58:51
2.2 Manipulation
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This is a side of can flipping that most people don't give it much credit for. Sure, anyone can flip a can and hope for the best, but being able to consistently turn a combat-free situation into a delicious kill requires a degree of manipulation, general people skills and straight up lying. Being able to read a target based on the response they give to theft, as well as other factors, is just as important.
2.2.1 Situational Responses
As I said, flipping cans requires more than just flying up to a can and flipping it to be successful. Different types of players respond differently to how a can flipper conducts himself. Some factors to consider are:
-Age of the player: Younger players don't understand aggression rules well and can be panicked into attacking or tricked into taking the ore back.
-Ship type: Certain ship types are more likely to attack than others.
-Chatting conduct in the Local channel: If a player is easily angered, angering them more through smack is a good path to take. If the player seems confused or frustrated, play dumb.
-Ship types of corpmates in the belt: A target is more likely to engage if there is backup around, depending on the ship types.
-Amount of ore stolen: This is the only constant in the factors. The greater the ore stolen, the greater the chance there is that you will be aggressed or the ore will be stolen back.
Depending on these factors, there are a few different courses of action I will take to attempt aggression gaining on someone. They all imply something different and, as was stated near the top, the image you project is important in gaining kill rights.
-Flip a can and just sit there: This is useful against mining barges, Hulks and slightly older cruisers. It implies that you know what you just did, but you're unsure of yourself and don't want to take it any further.
-Flip a can and target & orbit the ship: This is used against new players, players that target you before you flip the can and players that are being hostile or aggressive in local chat. It doesn't necessarily imply anything about you, but it can panic or goad players into action.
-Flip a can and move on to another can or wreck to steal: This implies that you don't really know what you just did and you're just trying to make some isk or clean up the area. It works better against older players where the other methods might fail.
-Flip a can and warp out: This is reserved for when a good bit of ore is stolen and the target has combat backup waiting to destroy you. The purpose is to hope that the can of ore is stolen back giving you (and your corporation) kill rights on someone.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tristen Orde on 14/08/2008 02:59:02
2.2.2 Social Manipulation
Social Manipulation is probably the trickiest part of can flipping. Sometimes normal methods just aren't going to get you aggression rights. There are way too many different ways to manipulate, or talk, a player into aggressing you. I will list a few of my regular methods that have success and a couple of the funnier, unique ones. This isn't something that can be taught; it is a skill you either have or must work with to gain.
A. My most successful manipulation tactic is to pretend to be a stupid newbie that wants a favor. I use this most against Hulks that do not have a can to steal from. The steps go like this:
-Convo the hulk
-Pretend to be relieved that you finally found someone to accept the convo... act desperate
-Ask if the hulk has drones
-Ask if you can ask a favor
-Tell the hulk that your corp mates are far away and you just outfitted your new frigate.
You need to test the tank of the new frigate before you fly all the way back down there and his 5 drones are a perfect survivability test
-Stress that you want him to stop at low armor/shield (whichever is tanked) and that you really don't want to lose the ship! For some reason, 50% of Hulk pilots will fall for this and agree to 'test your tank'. Honestly, I think this might be an easier way to get Hulk ransoms than flipping it's can. It, overall, comes off as much less threatening.
B. Another good and common technique is to act like you just don't care. Tell the miner that their ships and drones can easily destroy your puny tech 1 frigate and that you just want a fight. If someone thinks they can win and think you don't think you can win, they have an increased chance of agreeing. This, of course, works better with newer players.
C. Sometimes it is easier to talk someone into taking the ore back than to attack. Send the miner a convo after you flip a can and he isn't reacting. Pretend that you expected the miner to be a macro miner. Now that you know he isn't, explain that he should take his ore back and to please not tell your CEO. This works much better if your Corp bio doesn't have any pirate-like text in it. Also, something Racketeers used to do was put a 'CEO Inserted Message' into their player biographies. The Message informed anyone looking at it that the corp is only out to get Macro Miners and that the members are forbidden to engage legitimate players. It ensures the target that they can take their can back without fear of retribution.
D. Unique Story Time! Being creative is fun and unexpected. I am not saying to use this exact story, it is only an example of just whipping something out. It's amazing what kind of ridiculous story people will believe. I flipped a can of a miner in New Caldari last year and he quickly sent me a 'What the hell' convo request. I feigned ignorance as to why he was upset and informed him that my CEO told me he was mining for me that day. It was my job to transplant the ore into a can and haul it. After I let him 'convince' me that this wasn't the case at all, I apologized profusely and told him that he may take the ore back. Somehow, this worked. He took the ore back and I got a kill.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 02:58:00 -
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E. Unique #2: Another example of creativity. Involving your fellow corp members in on the manipulation results in funny times and hilarious chat logs on the forums. After a kill on a particularly belligerent and ignorant miner, a corpmate sent the miner a convo. He informed the miner that it was totally against our policy to pirate. He apologized for my actions, told him that I would be disciplined and asked (didn't tell, sometimes it's important to give the option and not demand) the miner if he would like to come back and pick up his ore. He would protect him from me if I came back and destroy me himself. The miner came back, took his ore and we both proceeded to kill his hauler. My corpmate took it even further by claiming that I killed him too quickly for his Myrmidon to deal with my punisher because he accidentally targeted an asteroid. He came back a THIRD time in a combat ship after the corpmate told him to come back and help him kill me. Sadly, the third kill was the end of the encounter.
2.2.3 Concording Your Target
As demonstrated above, some people are just idiots. Either that or they're so intent on killing you that they don't pay attention to aggression mechanics. If someone promises to come back and kill you in a bigger ship and is in the process of putting it together... wait around and let them. Tell them that you're waiting in 'such and such belt' but actually wait at a planet. After some minutes go by, and the aggression timer has wound down quite a bit, the miner will come back in his ultimate ship of destruction to dole out your death. Stall for as much time as possible. Your objective is to warp back in so that his kill rights on you disappear a few seconds before he started targeting you. There's a chance he'll fire anyway and get concorded. If kill rights have been gone for more than a couple minutes, the best course of action is to warp in and immediately target and orbit the ship to attempt panicking him into action. Concord-gained loot is still loot gained.
2.3 Corporation Involvement
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Can flipping doesn't always have to be a solo gig. Rather, sometimes it requires the help of others. If there are too many targets to deal with or the target is too much to handle in general, trying to get your corp mates kill rights is perfectly viable and is fun for all involved.
2.3.1 Giving Your Corp Kill Rights
Giving your corp kill rights is totally up to you. Your job is to get the target or the target's combat guardians to take the can back. At this point, your corp mates can warp in (preferably from out of system so they don't see them) and destroy the ship. Occasionally, this will cascade into an even larger battle as both sides keep trying to take back the ore and the resulting wrecks. Chaos!!!
2.3.2 Your Corp Taking Kill Rights
Your corp mates taking kill rights is slightly harder as it requires the target to knowingly bite off more than it can chew. The two common ways for a corpmate to take kill rights is to take a can or wreck of the targets or to repair your ship as you fight them. Both of these methods allow the target(s) to attack the new corpmate and allow him to fight back.
FIN!
Screw you, character limit.
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Khraunus
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Posted - 2008.08.14 03:23:00 -
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Reserved.
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ImRedYoureDead
Seventh Nation Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:11:00 -
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 Originally by: Tristen Orde
A. My most successful manipulation tactic is to pretend to be a stupid newbie that wants a favor. I use this most against Hulks that do not have a can to steal from. The steps go like this:
-Convo the hulk
-Pretend to be relieved that you finally found someone to accept the convo... act desperate
-Ask if the hulk has drones
-Ask if you can ask a favor
-Tell the hulk that your corp mates are far away and you just outfitted your new frigate.
You need to test the tank of the new frigate before you fly all the way back down there and his 5 drones are a perfect survivability test
-Stress that you want him to stop at low armor/shield (whichever is tanked) and that you really don't want to lose the ship! For some reason, 50% of Hulk pilots will fall for this and agree to 'test your tank'. Honestly, I think this might be an easier way to get Hulk ransoms than flipping it's can. It, overall, comes off as much less threatening.
Wouldn't CONCORD show up if he got his drones to attack you? Or was that the point? Although I'm not sure how you can get a ransom if he is popped by CONCORD very soon after.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:17:00 -
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Originally by: ImRedYoureDead
Originally by: Tristen Orde
A. My most successful manipulation tactic is to pretend to be a stupid newbie that wants a favor. I use this most against Hulks that do not have a can to steal from. The steps go like this:
-Convo the hulk
-Pretend to be relieved that you finally found someone to accept the convo... act desperate
-Ask if the hulk has drones
-Ask if you can ask a favor
-Tell the hulk that your corp mates are far away and you just outfitted your new frigate.
You need to test the tank of the new frigate before you fly all the way back down there and his 5 drones are a perfect survivability test
-Stress that you want him to stop at low armor/shield (whichever is tanked) and that you really don't want to lose the ship! For some reason, 50% of Hulk pilots will fall for this and agree to 'test your tank'. Honestly, I think this might be an easier way to get Hulk ransoms than flipping it's can. It, overall, comes off as much less threatening.
Wouldn't CONCORD show up if he got his drones to attack you? Or was that the point? Although I'm not sure how you can get a ransom if he is popped by CONCORD very soon after.
Right, thanks for that. Forgot to mention the 'suggest he eject one unit of ore to take' step. =)
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ImRedYoureDead
Seventh Nation Logistics
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:21:00 -
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Ahh ok, just struck me as weird thats all. Great guide by the way, good work. Might set up an alt to try it out for a laugh after reading this. I've been killed by Can flippers twice in my Eve life, both times because I was an idiot, didn't bother me tho, I hate mining enough as it is, did me a favour actually :D
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Heliosium
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Posted - 2008.08.14 05:56:00 -
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sweet! now I know a few more things to keep wannabe pirates from enjoying the game at my expense! Thanks :)
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Keeves
Minmatar
the evil ones
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Posted - 2008.08.14 06:29:00 -
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The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.14 06:42:00 -
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Also, don't do this as a 2+ year old player in a rifter... everyone is scared, pick a ship not associated with death and destruction if you're having trouble (nobody wanted to shoot my bantam either  )
I went can flipping in a retriever the other day (yes, a barge... mwahaha) and nobody would engage 
Maybe I just hit a craptastic streak of luck, well yeah.. I did. I think I lost 3 kills to falcons and then lost my falcon in one day 
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Mankirks Wife
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Posted - 2008.08.14 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Also, don't do this as a 2+ year old player in a rifter... everyone is scared, pick a ship not associated with death and destruction if you're having trouble (nobody wanted to shoot my bantam either )
I went can flipping in a retriever the other day (yes, a barge... mwahaha) and nobody would engage
Maybe I just hit a craptastic streak of luck, well yeah.. I did. I think I lost 3 kills to falcons and then lost my falcon in one day
I've had the same problem. The only ship I can reliably get people to shoot at is my Velator. Which is still OK - a well fit Velator can beat poorly fitted cruisers and barges (sometimes).
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.14 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: Mankirks Wife
I've had the same problem. The only ship I can reliably get people to shoot at is my Velator. Which is still OK - a well fit Velator can beat poorly fitted cruisers and barges (sometimes).
I've been thinking about getting on my gallente hauler alt and getting a few velators... Hobbie II's ftw
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Broken Rose
Minmatar
Malum Crusis
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:04:00 -
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Originally by: Keeves
The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
Do not do as this poster suggest, this tactic is considered an exploit, I know because my friend got banned for carrying out this action.
So if you do it on your head be it.
Awesome guide though, reminds me of the heady day's when I started my carrear as a can flipper. I was taught exactly what appears on this list and got many many many kills
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Stygian Knight
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Posted - 2008.08.14 09:34:00 -
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Great text man, this opens a complete new perspective for me.
Let me just get sure before i turn this into action:
1. I find a miner with a can.
2. I steal from his can. (he gets a kill rights)
- if he shoots on me, i can shoot back ?
3. Stuff i stolen from the can i put in my own can.
4. If he try to take it back from my can i get the kill rights
- i can shoot him without penalty
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.14 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Stygian Knight
Great text man, this opens a complete new perspective for me.
Let me just get sure before i turn this into action:
1. I find a miner with a can.
2. I steal from his can. (he gets a kill rights)
- if he shoots on me, i can shoot back ?
3. Stuff i stolen from the can i put in my own can.
4. If he try to take it back from my can i get the kill rights
- i can shoot him without penalty
You are correct on everything. Fly up to the can, jettison your own can and drag and drop from one to the other... 
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Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.08.14 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Broken Rose
Originally by: Keeves
The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
Do not do as this poster suggest, this tactic is considered an exploit, I know because my friend got banned for carrying out this action.
So if you do it on your head be it.
Awesome guide though, reminds me of the heady day's when I started my carrear as a can flipper. I was taught exactly what appears on this list and got many many many kills
Hasn't this been changed so that the message refers to "the can named You"? I could swear I read that somewhere, and that that's what it said when someone tried it on me a couple weeks ago (no I didn't fall for it ).
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:16:00 -
[21]
I've seen guides to Ratting, guides to Mining, Guides to just about all the carebear professions. I've never once seen a guide on how to pirate. Something about no guide on how to pirate and **** off carebears was actually a good thing.
Thanks for inevitably turning can flipping into every noobs new profession. As if it wasnt hard enough for us can flippers to get targets, now youve gone ahead and laid out a step by step plan for every ****** in the game.
Shit like this makes me wonder, have you come from WoW? Do you think that out playerbase average IQ has dropped to a certain degree to which u dont think players can figure out how aggro mechanics work? I had to start can flipping and figuring these things out through long hard work...So should everyone else.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:22:00 -
[22]
Originally by: techzer0
Also, don't do this as a 2+ year old player in a rifter... everyone is scared, pick a ship not associated with death and destruction if you're having trouble (nobody wanted to shoot my bantam either )
I went can flipping in a retriever the other day (yes, a barge... mwahaha) and nobody would engage
Maybe I just hit a craptastic streak of luck, well yeah.. I did. I think I lost 3 kills to falcons and then lost my falcon in one day
My character is 2006.01 and I have no problems using a Punisher.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.14 13:23:00 -
[23]
Edited by: Tristen Orde on 14/08/2008 13:24:30
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
I've seen guides to Ratting, guides to Mining, Guides to just about all the carebear professions. I've never once seen a guide on how to pirate. Something about no guide on how to pirate and **** off carebears was actually a good thing.
Thanks for inevitably turning can flipping into every noobs new profession. As if it wasnt hard enough for us can flippers to get targets, now youve gone ahead and laid out a step by step plan for every ****** in the game.
Shit like this makes me wonder, have you come from WoW? Do you think that out playerbase average IQ has dropped to a certain degree to which u dont think players can figure out how aggro mechanics work? I had to start can flipping and figuring these things out through long hard work...So should everyone else.
Here's to making piracy the new nano..
The large majority of this game don't read the forums. I don't see this being an issue. And the guide is about so much more than aggression mechanics.
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z0de
Gallente
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.08.14 14:37:00 -
[24]
So much text for so little info :(
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Keeves
Minmatar
the evil ones
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Posted - 2008.08.14 16:51:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Broken Rose
Originally by: Keeves
The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
Do not do as this poster suggest, this tactic is considered an exploit, I know because my friend got banned for carrying out this action.
So if you do it on your head be it.
Awesome guide though, reminds me of the heady day's when I started my carrear as a can flipper. I was taught exactly what appears on this list and got many many many kills
Exploit? Proof?
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Sigul Siento
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:16:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Sigul Siento on 14/08/2008 17:17:43
Guess i was wrong, the message is still "...started to warp scramble "you". But the "'s should at least indicate that it isn't REALLY you the bad boys are scarmbling  So really no need for it to be an exploit, it's not that much easier to misunderstand in a state of panic than many other things.
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Gnipp3r
Minmatar
Greater than Pie
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Posted - 2008.08.14 17:51:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Broken Rose
Originally by: Keeves
The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
Do not do as this poster suggest, this tactic is considered an exploit, I know because my friend got banned for carrying out this action.
So if you do it on your head be it.
Awesome guide though, reminds me of the heady day's when I started my carrear as a can flipper. I was taught exactly what appears on this list and got many many many kills
Renaming a can to "You" is an exploit? Doesn't the guys corp ticker also appear on the scramble message?
Also, banned for a first time offense for such a minor "exploit"? No, I call bollox. Stop making up friends!
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Bfoster
White Wolves Syndicate
Ocularis Inferno
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Posted - 2008.08.14 19:04:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Bfoster on 14/08/2008 19:05:18
Originally by: Keeves
The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
My fav... Works everytime!!!
He means name your new can, the name of the miner.. So if you stole my can, name it Bfoster. It would say "CanFlipperX has started to warp scramble Bfoster" and thats even better! 
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Mu Yaling
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.14 20:16:00 -
[29]
still reading, but want a front page response..
so far 10/10
can flipping is indeed an art.
thanks for shedding some light on a subject that some people frown on.
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Stinky McPoopyPants
Minmatar
corporation 1518849429
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Posted - 2008.08.14 21:00:00 -
[30]
i've had luck with the condor as my theft ship, ppl seem to like to shoot at them
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Rebal 88
Minmatar
Infernal Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.14 22:49:00 -
[31]
sicky
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Destalis
Caldari
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.15 01:06:00 -
[32]
Edited by: Destalis on 15/08/2008 01:08:38
Great Guide!
Few things i would add to the advanced section,
1. Warp Away
Before the flip bookmark your can, and give the can a name you can easily identify on a 5 degree directional scan. Do the flip and warp to a pre sited safespot within a couple thousand km of the belt. (yeah its a pain in the ass but hey professionalism)
Sit in the safespot scanning, most times within 5-10 minutes youll get an aggro. warp to the bookmark with weapons and scrams hot
also the directional scanner is your best friend for ambushing wary prey, my best advice to any new griefers is learn to use it asap
Other than that the rookieships are excellent flippers as long as a) you dont run into drones b) you dont run into missiles or short range guns
It is increadibly fun orbiting at 500m as a cormorant unloads ammo at you with rails
Ibis ftw kthxs
From Hell's heart I stab at thee, For hates sake I spit my last breath on thee
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.15 03:13:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Destalis
Edited by: Destalis on 15/08/2008 01:08:38
Great Guide!
Few things i would add to the advanced section,
1. Warp Away
Before the flip bookmark your can, and give the can a name you can easily identify on a 5 degree directional scan. Do the flip and warp to a pre sited safespot within a couple thousand km of the belt. (yeah its a pain in the ass but hey professionalism)
Sit in the safespot scanning, most times within 5-10 minutes youll get an aggro. warp to the bookmark with weapons and scrams hot
also the directional scanner is your best friend for ambushing wary prey, my best advice to any new griefers is learn to use it asap
Other than that the rookieships are excellent flippers as long as a) you dont run into drones b) you dont run into missiles or short range guns
It is increadibly fun orbiting at 500m as a cormorant unloads ammo at you with rails
Ibis ftw kthxs
Awesome. I wrote that all in one sitting and figured I'd missed a few things. The renaming of a can is a nice thing to do in certain situations. =)
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Sin Fae
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.08.15 05:21:00 -
[34]
Edited by: Sin Fae on 15/08/2008 05:24:35
Originally by: Tristen Orde
2.1.6 Ransoming
Except for the rare lucky drop of a faction mod from a Hulk, ransoms make up the bulk of a can flippers income.
If young Padawans follow this path and forget everything else - this is the most important.
Nice contribution Tristen!
For basic techniques in action - use a shuttle and make a mil a minute! Shuttle Flipping
and don't forget my world famous interview trailer: here
Quote:
"Justice..is in the hands of those who wish to take it"
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.15 06:17:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Sin Fae
Originally by: Tristen Orde
2.1.6 Ransoming
Except for the rare lucky drop of a faction mod from a Hulk, ransoms make up the bulk of a can flippers income.
If young Padawans follow this path and forget everything else - this is the most important.
I always forget to ransom 
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Keeves
Minmatar
the evil ones
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Posted - 2008.08.15 07:07:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Sin Fae
Edited by: Sin Fae on 15/08/2008 05:24:35
Originally by: Tristen Orde
2.1.6 Ransoming
Except for the rare lucky drop of a faction mod from a Hulk, ransoms make up the bulk of a can flippers income.
If young Padawans follow this path and forget everything else - this is the most important.
Nice contribution Tristen!
For basic techniques in action - use a shuttle and make a mil a minute! Shuttle Flipping
and don't forget my world famous interview trailer: here
Wait, you flip for the ice?! comon now...
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Evanga
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Posted - 2008.08.15 10:16:00 -
[37]
I still dont get the fun in can flipping, if you want to fight that desperately, go to low sec/null.
In my point of view the can flippers are a bunch of low sec scared currburrs :P
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Trracer
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.08.15 11:04:00 -
[38]
You should change the wording "kill rights" to something else, since it's not applicable in this context. Agression and EvE kill rights are different things.
Either you are for or against us, there simply is no other way |
Karicha
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Posted - 2008.08.15 11:41:00 -
[39]
Edited by: Karicha on 15/08/2008 11:43:25
Nice story but why dont make it less risky for you as thief?
Get 2 characters. 1 get it in a combat frig or cruiser. Go find yourself a jetcan miner.
The 2nd account (run at the same time), take a trial account, and warp to the can, flip the can. Then let your combat char flip the can of your trial account. They will kill your trial (but who cares, its just a free ibis when you let it dock again). They then think they have killed the thief and drop their guards. Then they 99% of time take the ore back (becouse they think the thief is dead), but they didnt know your combat char emediatly flipped the can on your trial, so instead of your trial gaining the killrights, YOU DO!
This way they dont have killrights on you, so you can easy go kill him without his corpmates beeing able to kill you.
MUTCH MUTCH MORE SIMPLE, EASY and LESS RISKY TO DO! YARRRRR
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Asinia Au
Amarr
Hand Of Tyr
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Posted - 2008.08.15 14:01:00 -
[40]
Nice idea Karicha, but there is one minor problem. You mention using a trial account, but this won't work since when a client is running a trial account you can't have another client running. So the 2nd pilot will need to be on a paid account also.
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Karicha
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Posted - 2008.08.15 14:17:00 -
[41]
Edited by: Karicha on 15/08/2008 14:23:13
Originally by: Asinia Au
Nice idea Karicha, but there is one minor problem. You mention using a trial account, but this won't work since when a client is running a trial account you can't have another client running. So the 2nd pilot will need to be on a paid account also.
DUHHHH 
Just get the notebook from your girlfriend or if you have no girlfriend, dust off your old pc that you have mothballed and install eve at basic resolution without premium content just for the trial account and use your main PC for your payed account. Works fine with me.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.15 21:31:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Tristen Orde on 15/08/2008 21:34:44
Originally by: Evanga
I still dont get the fun in can flipping, if you want to fight that desperately, go to low sec/null.
In my point of view the can flippers are a bunch of low sec scared currburrs :P
The point isn't so much JUST to get a fight, although it's part of it. The act of destroying someone who did not expect to be destroyed, at all, in high sec brings a certain satisfaction. Also, as demonstrated in the guides, killing people in high sec may require more than just sitting on a low sec gate waiting for shuttles to pass through (which is what all low sec pirates do... see what I did there?). I have a lot of fun talking people into things and/or watching people make horrible choices.
That said, I probably get more solo kills in high sec than most low sec pilots do simply for the lack of targets.
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Xindi Kraid
Kraid Salvaging
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Posted - 2008.08.15 22:55:00 -
[43]
Interesting stuff.
Lucky me Sobeski is where I kep my frigate fleet.
Will return later to pick up any unanchored containers and pass out tickets for littering
-So says Xindi Kraid
Caveat Emptor
Caveat Venditor
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Antarr Slagh
Trans Eve Organization
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Posted - 2008.08.15 23:15:00 -
[44]
Decent guide. You can learn all of this though, as I did, just through trial and error. :)
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techzer0
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.08.16 00:34:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Evanga
I still dont get the fun in can flipping, if you want to fight that desperately, go to low sec/null.
In my point of view the can flippers are a bunch of low sec scared currburrs :P
It's a fun break and involves no sec-loss. I do it when bored and normall I'm hoping for the miner or whoever my target is to come in a PVP fit ship... makes it more interesting than shooting at barges.
In lowsec you are normally pushed to engage first as people do not want to fight and those that do want a fight are somewhat sure they can win
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Destalis
Caldari
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.16 02:50:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Asinia Au
Nice idea Karicha, but there is one minor problem. You mention using a trial account, but this won't work since when a client is running a trial account you can't have another client running. So the 2nd pilot will need to be on a paid account also.
erm should i really be saying this... have two clients on your pc one trin one classic
it will allow you to run a paid and trial account at the same time
/me scurries away from the wrath of mitnal
From Hell's heart I stab at thee, For hates sake I spit my last breath on thee
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.17 04:51:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Antarr Slagh
Decent guide. You can learn all of this though, as I did, just through trial and error. :)
Isn't avoiding 'trial and error' one of the major goals of a guide? =P
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Jhagiti Tyran
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.08.17 05:22:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Evanga
I still dont get the fun in can flipping, if you want to fight that desperately, go to low sec/null.
In my point of view the can flippers are a bunch of low sec scared currburrs :P
Thing is its not all about killing T1 haulers and mining cruisers, quite often you can provoke some pretty nice fights with well equipped pvp ships and you have none of the disadvantages of low sec and 0.0 (yes I have pvped in both)
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.09.06 20:13:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Broken Rose
Originally by: Keeves
The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
Do not do as this poster suggest, this tactic is considered an exploit, I know because my friend got banned for carrying out this action.
incorrect, not according to the GM who just replied to my ticket on this issue...so I'll continue to use this method.
_____________________
Originally by: Locus Bey
Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
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My'kel An'jelo
Amarr
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2008.09.06 20:48:00 -
[50]
Props to someone for finally writing a guide, this one is quite well written. Will recommend this to newbies who are interested in can flipping.
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Boris Blaze
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.06 21:15:00 -
[51]
Very new to this game, and yes, EvE is a bit daunting when you first begin. I have played many other MMO's but this is by far the deepest and most thought provoking yet. Really appreciate this guide Tristen, being someone who really hasn't made connections yet, and the "Rookie" channel being as flooded as it is with spam, this has answered alot of questions I have had. Thanx alot dude :) Gonna get on it right away. This seems a real good way for new players to break into pirating and PvP in general...
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Taross
Caldari
Blue Sky Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.07 01:45:00 -
[52]
This guide should be required reading not only for wanna-be canflippers, but for wannabe-miners too! thanks for putting it together.
For the record, I neither mine nor can-flip... (Mostly mission-*****..  )
But the aggro rules in EVE are complicated, and nearly all easy kills can-flippers, mission-griefers, etc, get are because of THEM knowing the rules better than the carebears do.
As such, OP, you've done a great service to carebears everywhere by outlining the rules very clearly here... Wonder if we can get this stickied in the New Players Q&A?
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.09.07 22:42:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Taross
As such, OP, you've done a great service to carebears everywhere by outlining the rules very clearly here... Wonder if we can get this stickied in the New Players Q&A?
Good thing most of them are oblivious to the forums then, eh? Can flipping has gotten my corp a rather high number of kills this week!
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StarSniper19
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Posted - 2008.09.14 23:29:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Evanga
I still dont get the fun in can flipping, if you want to fight that desperately, go to low sec/null.
In my point of view the can flippers are a bunch of low sec scared currburrs :P
The problem with that is, going to low/null sec is pretty damn hard as a young char. Sure, you can run out there in a rifter and get some kills, but the odds are good that you will lose at least as many ships as you kill, not to mention the sec-status loss in low-sec that most young chars can't afford. Can-flipping is a nice way for newer players to engage themselves in solo PvP without taking on too much risk. It's not necessarily about being scared of low-sec, it's about being practical: a 1 month old char in a frig is going to lose a fight to a 2-year-old char in an inty, simple as that.
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Dirk MacBeth
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Posted - 2008.09.15 03:04:00 -
[55]
You forgot a key portion of this guide, though. Dealing with the amusing smack talk that comes after a good flip, and dragging every bit of humor out of every theft that you can. I used to dislike can thieves quite a bit, but I never knew the sheer -hatred- some people have towards them. Fun times :)
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.09.15 07:55:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Dirk MacBeth
You forgot a key portion of this guide, though. Dealing with the amusing smack talk that comes after a good flip, and dragging every bit of humor out of every theft that you can. I used to dislike can thieves quite a bit, but I never knew the sheer -hatred- some people have towards them. Fun times :)
I apologize profusely for this oversight. Maybe I'll work on it later this week. =P
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Lavraen
Minmatar
Repo Industries
R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.09.15 09:35:00 -
[57]
Nice guide Tristen, glad to see you are carrying on the old can flipping corp model.
Good luck.
Hi Sec needs a corp like this to make it interesting.
Miners beware!
Lavraen |
Kopkiller
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Posted - 2008.09.15 12:42:00 -
[58]
Edited by: Kopkiller on 15/09/2008 12:43:13
From a technical point of view, this guide is quite good.
But shit, you are so pathetic! Waiting for 2 weeks noobs to do errors is so freaking lame. Starting convo and finding a whole story to a guy that doesn't even understand what eve is about, then killing ihis rookie ship, damn, how could you not feel ridiculous?
Can flip is for carebears that can't get kills by other ways than exploiting noobs ignorance and naivety. Cheers to all of you that are getting off with this thread.
If you want some real pvp stop looking for excuses and go to low-null sec, you can still kill noobships, but at least they are aware of danger. Plus you will get much more fight than waiting behind a can.
Originally by: Tristen Orde
Good thing most of them are oblivious to the forums then, eh? Can flipping has gotten my corp a rather high number of kills this week!
ROFLMAO that is too much! this must be the gayest corpo that exists. Lol at the entire corpo whose kill are noobkills and can flip, you can be proud of you. I just imagine the corpo killboard: ships destroyed:500 isks destroyed:1M XD
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.09.15 20:15:00 -
[59]
As a matter of fact, last week FNPR did over 1 billion in damage. And if you look at the lifetime record, 7.9 billion and 315 kills. That's an average of over 25 million per kill. Just a hint, that wasn't all in noob ships, lotta BS and BC and T2 ships in there to get that high.
The thing is, when you flip on a player corp ship, he calls in his friends too, so engagements often escalate well beyond the initial aggro generated by the can flip.
You should try it sometime, it can be great fun, just make sure you're ready for anything!
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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.09.15 22:38:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Kopkiller
But shit, you are so pathetic! Waiting for 2 weeks noobs to do errors is so freaking lame. Starting convo and finding a whole story to a guy that doesn't even understand what eve is about, then killing ihis rookie ship, damn, how could you not feel ridiculous?
Can flip is for carebears that can't get kills by other ways than exploiting noobs ignorance and naivety.
Post with your Main, or GTFO. Oh, and we're supposed to respect you with that name, "Kopkiller"? No RL class, and you come in here starting shit?
Originally by: Kopkiller
Cheers to all of you that are getting off with this thread.
Thanks. At least somebody's got the balls to do it. Go back to mining.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.09.16 00:46:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Kopkiller
Words
You're welcome to go search for our killboard. I have a feeling your main has either a Battleship or a Hulk loss on there.
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Vor'an
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Posted - 2008.09.16 01:55:00 -
[62]
I am relatively new to the game, and have become quickly wise to the tactics of can flippers after joining a player corp focussed on trading and mining (hey, it's fun for some of us!).
I think the biggest thing that most of the victims of can flipping forget is that at the very worst, you've lost 27,500m^3 of ore and that the can flipper wants to kill you and thus, are more than equipped to be able to do so.
If a tech 1 frigate warps in and drops their own can, or takes a little bit of your ore, feigning ignorance or not, they have the ability to kill you.
I think it annoys flippers intensely when I simply will not take the bait and engage them, or take my lost ore back. No matter what. 27,500m^3 of highsec ore is not worth the annoyance of combat with a player who is more than capable of killing you and clearly wants to fight.
I guess I'm just not as susceptible to social manipulation as some people.
Although, saying that. This is a good guide for the aspiring can flipper with some excellent ideas - you should probably add a section to about people like me, however, who are simply unflappable targets and that if you come across one your only real choice is a) move onto a new mark, or b) wardec their corp and come back in 24 hours.
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Niko medes
Gallente
Dark Dominion Reserves
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Posted - 2008.09.16 02:36:00 -
[63]
i find it funny that something we all spent our first weeks on eve doing has become a science.
keep it up tho i might just read this lol..
Dark Dominion |
Msgerbs
Gallente
Imperial Assualt Guild
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Posted - 2008.09.16 04:21:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Tristen Orde
Edited by: Tristen Orde on 15/08/2008 06:27:34Hulks - Hulks are the prize of can flipping. They offer high ransoms and sometimes decent loot. They also might offer up a legitimate tank and 5 T2 Light Drones. Otherwise, deal with them the same as a Mining Barge.
Eh... Hulks can carry 5 T2 mediums :) And I wouldn't be saying T2 medium drones are harmless either. They're slower, yeah, but not THAT slow.
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Karrade Krise
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Posted - 2008.09.16 06:01:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Keeves
The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
pure genious
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Lix Titrax
K Directorate
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Posted - 2008.09.16 06:33:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Lix Titrax on 16/09/2008 06:34:17
Fantastic Tristen, this is an excellent guide and your techniques mirror many of my own. :)
One of the things that I like to do is to find a system with a number of different jett-can mining ops going on. These groups typically name their cans with the time that the can was jetted, which shows up on the scanner.
I'll then jump around to and from the planets with ops going on in their belts and monitor them on the scanner until the cans have been in space long enough to have a good amount of ore contained within. Then you swoop in, flip their full cans and maybe even the less filled ones if they are slow to react.
Carebears get extra angry when you suddenly pop-in out of no where and suddenly take the majority of their hard work. Then wait to see if they are going to attack, or try to convince them to do so. If not, start destroying the cans before aggro runs out because sometimes that gets them angry enough to attack, or at the very least you get to enjoy the smack in local and hate evemails, and possibly a nice bounty.
Edit: Grammer
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Julien makka
Grumpy Old Farts
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Posted - 2008.09.16 09:26:00 -
[67]
o/ tristen.
my taranis > your punisher. always has and always will ;)
Good to see youre still killing the carebears.
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Ana Vyr
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.16 16:44:00 -
[68]
Thanks for the heads up on what to look out for. The amount of effort some folks put into griefing lowbies is quite astounding. Ants under a magnifying glass never gets old, does it?
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Drakoulia
Caldari
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2008.09.16 23:09:00 -
[69]
Beautiful topic, awesome.
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Tristen Orde
Friendly Neighbourhood Protection Racket
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Posted - 2008.09.17 02:51:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Julien makka
o/ tristen.
my taranis > your punisher. always has and always will ;)
Good to see youre still killing the carebears.
If your Taranis is a close range setup, then no.. no it isn't. =D
<3
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Sputnik Tsygan
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Posted - 2008.09.17 12:54:00 -
[71]
Great post matey, 'grats. Makes me wanna do it too. Only had it done to me once and he was just too funny. I came back in a rupture and he flew right at me with all my guns blazing in his face. If i had read this guide no way would i have claimed my only nubin victory. Thanks to all you c***s for making eve more interesting. May your jetcan miners be many and ignorant.
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Lord Luvidicus
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Posted - 2008.09.18 11:59:00 -
[72]
Very good guide, being I am quite new to this game. However, I find it rather amusing that so many people are goaded into this because I have been smart enough not to. I think the poster who mentioned the idea or act of joining a mining corp, and then turning on them popping their miners is great, but from what I have seen, especially in sectors with much more valuable ore, most mining ops PROTECT their miners with either Battleships or Stealth, and you have to love the EVE corp inner policing you can do to trouble-minded corpmates! GG
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Vawd
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Posted - 2008.09.20 20:14:00 -
[73]
Somebody must have tried this and messed it up, because my can was flipped when I went to grab my hauler and when i came back he attacked and got concorded. Then I looted all his tier 2 fittings and most of my ore :)
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Sin Fae
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.09.22 05:17:00 -
[74]
Edited by: Sin Fae on 22/09/2008 05:16:49
Very nice Tristen, and a good Pirate to boot I say.
I made a quick tutorial a little while back making one million isk a minute in a shuttle by can flipping
Quote:
"Justice..is in the hands of those who wish to take it"
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.27 01:39:00 -
[75]
This guide has been off the C&P page way too long,and there are new can flippers about now that need to see this.
It's still a great read!
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Taebris
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.01 19:40:00 -
[76]
I jumped into a belt one day and found a retriever, hulk and Bustard. The bustard was hauling. As soon as I came closer, they popped the can. So I figured I'd wait it out assuming they drop another can once the barge/exhumer filled their cargo bays. Nope, the hauler just sat there and the triever and hulk pilots just warped back to station and came back out for another 3 min cycle of mining.
I did try convoing the hulk pilot, but got no response. At that point is there anything worth doing or other options to try? Or is this just a situation in which its a waste of time pursuing?
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RedSplat
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.01 21:26:00 -
[77]
If they go all quietbear on you then bump them out of mining laser range with a nano'd BC or BS. Sometimes people lose their temper and get concorded, other times they give up- some people are so terrified of pvp they will not do anything agressive, they would sooner log.
Then again they might be a macro setup.
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Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.11.01 22:22:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Taebris
I jumped into a belt one day and found a retriever, hulk and Bustard. The bustard was hauling. As soon as I came closer, they popped the can. So I figured I'd wait it out assuming they drop another can once the barge/exhumer filled their cargo bays. Nope, the hauler just sat there and the triever and hulk pilots just warped back to station and came back out for another 3 min cycle of mining.
I did try convoing the hulk pilot, but got no response. At that point is there anything worth doing or other options to try? Or is this just a situation in which its a waste of time pursuing?
If you feel like annoying them, you can certainly do what the above post suggests, but it's generally a waste of time at that point to think they'll do anything.
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Neyko Turama
Minmatar
Toys R Us
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Posted - 2008.11.02 00:13:00 -
[79]
first: i love your thread, showed me a interesting new path of playing the game.
Maybe one section to add:
the "Tank gank".
you just ask ppl if they could help you out, because you just bought a new ship. you are now interested in how much it takes, if shot by a BS for example.
how to find these targets? just use the directional scanner. there are tons of not-so-intelligent players, which call their ship just xy's megathron, or blabla's machariel.
then you check local, convo them, ask...and so on.
ravens are generally difficult, especially if you don't got support. they do more dmg as they hit you almost everytime.
i allways try to use cheap ships, for example a t1 fitted thorax. works great on 2 month old BS. if they're older, get in something bigger.
BUT, allways be aware of gank-value! for example: i use a thorax, all in all about 8 millions. i kill a named fitted megathorn, maybe 100 millions.
100/8 = 12.5 --> a good value
if i use a battlecruiser, which costs me all in all 40 millions, and kill the same mega, its
100/40 = 2.5 still a value which is ok, but it seems to be clear, that it's more effective if you use cheaper ships.
when to ask for ransom
most of the time, the guys will tell you to stop at some point of destruction. stop at the beginning of structure. so they can still repair. a 20% structure doesnt seems motivating, especially if you have to pay ransom.
i mostly try to guess what's the ships value. then i ask for 80% of it....
i did some money with this, and had a lot of nice fun
have fun guys, tristen, great guide
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.11.02 02:24:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Boomershoot on 02/11/2008 02:25:23
Adding another video, may be quite boring to watch, it's about a can being flipped rapidly.
been taken while i was in perkone, miners often have more confidence at taking/attacking back when they know no-one can help you (that's not true, but let em think this way :P)
EDIT: forgot to put up the video...
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 01:36:00 -
[81]
sweet guide buddy...
in my time in eve i have popped two hulks and helped ransom one.. 80m isk for a hulk to be set free after twonavy augs baited it... lil did the nub know we was not going to break his tank with 4 light drones if at all lol.
I look forward to my next hulk kill ransom.
ikoban > i wonder how many idiots will name thier orca "free willy" ? |
Lady Aja
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.11.03 01:38:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Lord Luvidicus
Very good guide, being I am quite new to this game. However, I find it rather amusing that so many people are goaded into this because I have been smart enough not to. I think the poster who mentioned the idea or act of joining a mining corp, and then turning on them popping their miners is great, but from what I have seen, especially in sectors with much more valuable ore, most mining ops PROTECT their miners with either Battleships or Stealth, and you have to love the EVE corp inner policing you can do to trouble-minded corpmates! GG
best way to do that is join a mining corp... play the big bad protector for a few mining ops and oneday say as many hulks as possible should go mining.. then HELLO!
ikoban > i wonder how many idiots will name thier orca "free willy" ? |
Kenji Kimura
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Posted - 2008.11.03 12:39:00 -
[83]
Once I accidently locked a noob in .6 in my Caracal, so the guy panicked (he was in a Condor) and shot back... Felt sorry for him, but I have to admit Concord puts on mighty fine fireworks shows...
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Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.11.04 12:41:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Lady Aja
Originally by: Lord Luvidicus
Very good guide, being I am quite new to this game. However, I find it rather amusing that so many people are goaded into this because I have been smart enough not to. I think the poster who mentioned the idea or act of joining a mining corp, and then turning on them popping their miners is great, but from what I have seen, especially in sectors with much more valuable ore, most mining ops PROTECT their miners with either Battleships or Stealth, and you have to love the EVE corp inner policing you can do to trouble-minded corpmates! GG
best way to do that is join a mining corp... play the big bad protector for a few mining ops and oneday say as many hulks as possible should go mining.. then HELLO!
This is always a lot of fun. =D
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Lady Aja
Caldari
Ore Mongers
Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.11.04 23:21:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Karrade Krise
Originally by: Keeves
The "You" Can
If a miner has targeted you but is a little wary to engage, rename the can you flipped "You", target the can and the miner, and warp disrupt the can. A message will pop up saying "XX has warp scrambled you!" and might panic the miner enough to engage. Deal with miner as desired.
pure genious
Its an old trick... I know... did it early late 05 in yulai and got some bastard concorded after 4 hours coz i was bored. |
Rock'n'Roll Lady
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Posted - 2008.12.06 07:59:00 -
[86]
free bump for a good guide :)
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Jiggalest
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Posted - 2008.12.07 19:38:00 -
[87]
This deserves a sticky
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PsychoBones
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.12.07 22:15:00 -
[88]
Originally by: techzer0
Also, don't do this as a 2+ year old player in a rifter... everyone is scared, pick a ship not associated with death and destruction if you're having trouble (nobody wanted to shoot my bantam either )
I went can flipping in a retriever the other day (yes, a barge... mwahaha) and nobody would engage
Maybe I just hit a craptastic streak of luck, well yeah.. I did. I think I lost 3 kills to falcons and then lost my falcon in one day
I use a Mammoth.
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CrazySpaceHobo
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Posted - 2009.01.25 12:32:00 -
[89]
I had someone try and flip a corp mate in a velator, he discovered how we treat ore theives in The Fragment :P, on the plus point, one of our newer members got to try pvp when he tackled him, and I got to dust off my Manticore with Caldari Navy Wrath Cruise missiles when I one volley'd him :D
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Bruce Scythe
Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.01.25 18:04:00 -
[90]
Good guide, although I'm having pretty bad luck finding can miners. I'm going to try Caldari space soon, as that must be good. |
Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2009.01.25 18:12:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Bruce Scythe
Good guide, although I'm having pretty bad luck finding can miners. I'm going to try Caldari space soon, as that must be good.
Sadly, Orcas have messed up a lot of the normal target opportunities. |
3yeb4ll
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2009.01.25 18:16:00 -
[92]
This is all lies.
Lies. |
Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Blood Money Bootcamp
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Posted - 2009.01.25 18:49:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Tristen Orde
Originally by: Bruce Scythe
Good guide, although I'm having pretty bad luck finding can miners. I'm going to try Caldari space soon, as that must be good.
Sadly, Orcas have messed up a lot of the normal target opportunities.
That's too bad. Nevertheless, I did report this thread....for s sticky!
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Bruce Scythe
Atomic Mexicans
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Posted - 2009.01.25 20:07:00 -
[94]
Muhahaha. I have an operative mining next to some guys who have an Orca and yet still can mine as far as I know. Whether they do or don't, I might dec them soon and see if they stick around. |
Gregor Vernof
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.01.26 06:58:00 -
[95]
Well no sticky, but we did manage to get it linked into the Pirate Resources including Guides and Links linked from the C&P Resource Thread.
Grats to Tristen on a well made guide! |
Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.01.26 17:02:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Bruce Scythe
Good guide, although I'm having pretty bad luck finding can miners. I'm going to try Caldari space soon, as that must be good.
No, no it's not terribly good either. Well at least Lonetrek isn't anymore. I don't think any place is. Y'see the problem with teaching miners the errors of jetcanning is that they eventually learn. 
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Dani SP
Rupture Farms Mining
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Posted - 2009.02.02 23:43:00 -
[97]
not bad... but we need a guide on "how to deal with carebears tears..."
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Axis McCloud
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Posted - 2009.04.15 14:44:00 -
[98]
I hate all you can flippers. all we're trying to do is make a bit of honest cash. if you want battles, bugger off to 0.0 space. Or are you to cowardly to do that? |
Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage
Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.15 15:32:00 -
[99]
Well... uh... thanks for bumping it?
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Axis McCloud
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Posted - 2009.04.16 13:55:00 -
[100]
Hmm, cloud with silver lining i guess. It makes both sides aware of it.
The moral of the story: mine with a friend in a ship with a large hold. |
Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:01:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:02:27
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:01:06
It doesnt take much of a spine to can flip in High Sec. (tipically it is miners who get can flipped)
These tactics are for baby girls who are to chicken to go to low sec and picka fight with the people there with bigger guns and more experience.
Its hard to claim pride in your kills when you aggress someone in High Sec when you know they probably are not experienced enough or not fitted properly.
They are cheap kills and really dont show that you have what it takes to hack a real fight.
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Drahkar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:04:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Br Soren
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:01:06
It doesnt take much of a spine to listen to an FC in 0.0. (tipically it is the smaller blobs who get engaged)
These tactics are for baby girls who are to chicken to go to high sec and picka fight without having a fleet with bigger guns and more experience covering their butt.
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:09:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:10:43
lol. real intelligent.
YOu must be what... 13?
Go ahead and falsely inflate your kills. that is legal in EVE.
But it hardly says anything about your combat or team combat skills.
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Drahkar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:10:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Br Soren
lol. real intelligent.
YOu must be what... 13?
lol. real intelligent.
YOu must be what... 13? |
Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:11:00 -
[105]
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:14:51
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:14:33
lol figured as much
I checked your killboard. nice btw
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Drahkar-kills.html
Looks like you are talking about yourself since most of your kills are in a gang ;)
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Drahkar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:20:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Br Soren
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:14:51
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:14:33
lol figured as much
I checked your killboard. nice btw
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Drahkar-kills.html
Looks like you are talking about yourself since most of your kills are in a gang ;)
3rd strike, out! I don't have a killboard. Battleclinic needs a disclaimer that says it only knows about kills that have been shared by either party.
And fyi, over 95% of my kills are solo. A significantly large percentage of my losses are to gangs or (can't be seen on killmails) remote repped ships. |
Sin Fae
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:34:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Drahkar}
And fyi, over 95% of my kills are solo. A significantly large percentage of my losses are to gangs or (can't be seen on killmails) remote repped ships.[/quote
Well, Drahkar, when you can fight 1 to 5+ odds and come out ahead 100% of the time and attrit your opponents alliance / corp by 30%, you might be ready to be a can-flipper.
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:39:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Drahkar
Originally by: Br Soren
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:14:51
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:14:33
lol figured as much
I checked your killboard. nice btw
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Drahkar-kills.html
Looks like you are talking about yourself since most of your kills are in a gang ;)
3rd strike, out! I don't have a killboard. Battleclinic needs a disclaimer that says it only knows about kills that have been shared by either party.
And fyi, over 95% of my kills are solo. A significantly large percentage of my losses are to gangs or (can't be seen on killmails) remote repped ships.
Perhaps your talking about another account you have?
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Drahkar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:43:00 -
[109]
Edited by: Drahkar on 16/04/2009 16:43:57
Edited by: Drahkar on 16/04/2009 16:43:12
Originally by: Br Soren
Originally by: Drahkar
Originally by: Br Soren
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:14:51
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:14:33
lol figured as much
I checked your killboard. nice btw
http://www.battleclinic.com/eve_online/pk/view/player-Drahkar-kills.html
Looks like you are talking about yourself since most of your kills are in a gang ;)
3rd strike, out! I don't have a killboard. Battleclinic needs a disclaimer that says it only knows about kills that have been shared by either party.
And fyi, over 95% of my kills are solo. A significantly large percentage of my losses are to gangs or (can't be seen on killmails) remote repped ships.
Perhaps your talking about another account you have?
I only have 1 account. Why are you saying that anyway? Did you even look at the small percentage of my kills that are on Battleslinic?
Oh and Sin Fae, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you refer to FCing, I never said and probably won't ever say that it doesn't require skill, but I find it laughable that some non-FCing 0.0 residents pretend highsec (and sometimes lowsec) PvP is easy while following an FC's orders in 0.0 is supposedly "hardcore". |
Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:48:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Drahkar
I only have 1 account. Why are you saying that anyway? Did you even look at the small percentage of my kills that are on Battleslinic?
Oh and Sin Fae, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you refer to FCing, I never said and probably won't ever say that it doesn't require skill, but I find it laughable that some non-FCing 0.0 residents pretend highsec (and sometimes lowsec) PvP is easy while following an FC's orders in 0.0 is supposedly "hardcore".
I looked at 4 of your kills on the first page just to test the waters.
Admittedly, I dont have the time to look at all of your kills.
I did look at your stats and think they are very good.
I see nothing wrong in organized teams performing operations in high or low sec. The real issue I have here is people purposefully picking on miners or new players that they know they can get an EASY kill.
My kills have been in fleet operations. I am relatively new to the game but I fly with and against the best of them KNOWING I could be killed easily. I think that takes more guts than can flipping a miner.
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Sin Fae
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:50:00 -
[111]
Edited by: Sin Fae on 16/04/2009 16:52:27
Originally by: Drahkar
Oh and Sin Fae, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you refer to FCing, I never said and probably won't ever say that it doesn't require skill, but I find it laughable that some non-FCing 0.0 residents pretend highsec (and sometimes lowsec) PvP is easy while following an FC's orders in 0.0 is supposedly "hardcore".[/quote
Ahh, missed that discussion, sorry.
Gah why is my text so small?
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:51:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Sin Fae
Originally by: Drahkar
Oh and Sin Fae, I have no idea what you're talking about. If you refer to FCing, I never said and probably won't ever say that it doesn't require skill, but I find it laughable that some non-FCing 0.0 residents pretend highsec (and sometimes lowsec) PvP is easy while following an FC's orders in 0.0 is supposedly "hardcore".[/quote
Ahh, missed that. Sorry. Just randomly posting atm :o)
haha.. you should be can flipped for that Sin Fae! j/k :p
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Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage
Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:52:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Br Soren
Words
You are an idiot. Drahkar daily puts himself into situations where people with larger ships and more numbers have aggression rights on him. Not to mention the fact that you seem to have no idea how battleclinic actually works (Hint: Drahkar doesn't upload the majority of his kills to battleclinic), but you also seem to think that 0.0 or low sec are actually difficult places to live. They aren't.
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 16:53:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 16:54:40
Originally by: Tristen Orde
Originally by: Br Soren
Words
You are an idiot. Drahkar daily puts himself into situations where people with larger ships and more numbers have aggression rights on him. Not to mention the fact that you seem to have no idea how battleclinic actually works (Hint: Drahkar doesn't upload the majority of his kills to battleclinic), but you also seem to think that 0.0 or low sec are actually difficult places to live. They aren't.
You talking about yourself? I never said he didnt put himself in those situations AND I complimented him on his stats. I have no issue with him AT ALL.
Dont knwo what your problem is, but check it at the door
Seems he needs YOU to answer on his behalf?? hmm I think he is a big boy and doesnt need that.
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Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage
Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:05:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Tristen Orde on 16/04/2009 17:06:28
Originally by: Br Soren
Seems he needs YOU to answer on his behalf?? hmm I think he is a big boy and doesnt need that.
There is definitive proof that he is my alt. And for someone who wants to talk about the 'hardships of low sec', you're 5 kills in the almost month and a half you've been in that corp is rather pathetic.
Edit: Not to mention the 2:1 k/d of your whole corp. Low sec cultivates better pvpers, eh?
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Br Soren
Amarr
Band of Rebels
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:10:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 17:13:13
Edited by: Br Soren on 16/04/2009 17:11:02
Originally by: Tristen Orde
Edited by: Tristen Orde on 16/04/2009 17:06:28
Originally by: Br Soren
Seems he needs YOU to answer on his behalf?? hmm I think he is a big boy and doesnt need that.
There is definitive proof that he is my alt. And for someone who wants to talk about the 'hardships of low sec', you're 5 kills in the almost month and a half you've been in that corp is rather pathetic.
Edit: Not to mention the 2:1 k/d of your whole corp. Low sec cultivates better pvpers, eh?
lol. What a joke. you talk to me with one char and answer as if you are another char just to admit your now using your alt. hahaha
Classic.
I dont live for what you think. But you're creating a fight where there was none. I had no issue with you.
Unless your can flipping miners. Real cowardly acts Id say.
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Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:16:00 -
[117]
Protip: He's not actually my alt...
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Sol'Kanar
SRIUS BISNIS
Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:22:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Tristen Orde
Protip: He's not actually my alt...
WTF LIES. CONFIRMING TRISTEN / DRAKAR are the same dude. Stop lying dude!
Arg, I need a new sig. |
Drahkar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:22:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Tristen Orde
Protip: He's not actually my alt...
But.. but... oh hell, screw you! You're the worse main ever!
Oh and Kyle was being my main behind your back, AND YOU DESERVED IT!!!! |
Tristen Orde
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2009.04.16 17:23:00 -
[120]
I was tried of pretending to be french half the time, anyway.
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Eschiava Q
Minmatar
Blood Money Bootcamp
Blood Money Cartel
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:31:00 -
[121]
What? Tristen is no longer Drahkar's main? That's sad.
And Winkle now is Drahkar's main? Even sadder!
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Drahkar
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:33:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Eschiava Q
What? Tristen is no longer Drahkar's main? That's sad.
And Winkle now is Drahkar's main? Even sadder!
Hahaha, Winkle? I guess I'm being nice by calling him Kyle.
Fake edit : I mean by calling MYSELF Kyle. |
Sol'Kanar
SRIUS BISNIS
Band of Bastards.
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Posted - 2009.04.16 20:44:00 -
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BALD PATE COMBO IN EFFECT
<3 Arvald |
WNKyle
Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2009.04.16 21:37:00 -
[124]
Confirming that Drahkar and Tristen are both my alts.
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O'lenka
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2009.04.28 08:06:00 -
[125]
Well, I read the guide few months back, truly enjoyed it, so I went to look for can flippers with a brand-new character and no pvp experience of my own. Got myself into a lot of funny stories that way. Just posted some highlights at eve-pirate, check it out.
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Versipellis
Caldari
ETERNAL LUX
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Posted - 2009.04.28 11:10:00 -
[126]
my biggest concern is the sec. status decrease that occurs when you steal the ore.. is it a minor loss to consider ? or you somehow repait your sec with some missions after??
cause evantually u'd end up with -0.5 sec.
and you start growing beard and wearing an eye-patch
and you'll end up in low and null sec.. it's not "can flipping" on the otherside you know 
so what's the trick with losing security ?
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Chiana T
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Posted - 2009.04.29 10:35:00 -
[127]
Nice guide.
Can flippers are a bit sad though. Peeps attacking flippers are even sader
I mine in the value of a can in a few minutes, one can is nothing ...
I just give the bugger neg standing to my pirate alt, and hope for it to get close to where I am
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