EVE Search - EBank-secured Lottery

Originally by: Vanora Kime
For me, yes, it is an 'isk making vehicle' but so are all the other lotteries/~~services/businesses~~, I never denied that.

We'll discuss lotteries here as comparing yourself to service or business is pretty much lying.

No, not every lottery is about making isk for the operator. A fine example is BIG's. I doubt they've ever made much money off the thing. However it can't be said that they receive nothing for their lottery. After all it helped them to make a name.

As has been said previously, the level of service or effort on your part is quite minimal. Why should anyone be part of a large operation that is more correctly the "Vanora Kime Charity Fund" instead of the ubiquitous "eBank Secured Lottery"?

It should also be pointed out that real life lotteries are often run for some social good. This can not be said of you so please refrain from comparing real life activities to your own.

And this is why I said this forum is the wrong place for your PR efforts. You would have a greater sampling of potential entrants from the other community segments in Eve then you would have here. Too smart to play the alternate "begging game" that is the raffle lottery and too cagey to gamble in this manner.

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EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans	Posted - 2008.08.19 14:49:00 - [91] Chribba has veto'd the lottery idea I believe. Hence a slight inkling as to why we are stepping up to the plate
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.19 14:55:00 - [92] I summon Peeka... errr.. Chribba!
Vanora Kime Caldari Reapage Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.19 15:00:00 - [93] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic Chribba has veto'd the lottery idea I believe. Hence a slight inkling as to why we are stepping up to the plate Yep, that's right. I approached him a while ago with this, but he rejected my idea because of not having enough time at that moment.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.19 15:06:00 - [94] Originally by: EBANK Ricdic So back on topic, stop dragging it away Shadarle Nice way to ignore what is now the real topic of this thread. We'll continue to see thread after thread derail because "your" people care more about their own ego's than about E-Bank. We already saw people say they'd possibly do this. But we already know people "might" do this. So this thread has told us nothing we didn't know about the desire for this. The only thing left to do is to actually do it. I've still been trying to decide if I would do it and frankly I doubt I will now even though I was planning to after first reading the OP.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.19 15:39:00 - [95] Originally by: Shadarle I've still been trying to decide if I would do it Very ironic, I told Ric that I might even consider running a lottery. No offense to the OP but this is not some sort of new revelation idea he's come up with so I wouldn't feel the least bit of guilt about it if I should do so. PS: It would not be my first lottery either. Just the first in years. With my reduced "eve" responsibilities, it may even be a worthwhile time sink for me.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.19 15:41:00 - [96] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Shadarle I've still been trying to decide if I would do it Very ironic, I told Ric that I might even consider running a lottery. No offense to the OP but this is not some sort of new revelation idea he's come up with so I wouldn't feel the least bit of guilt about it if I should do so. PS: It would not be my first lottery either. Just the first in years. With my reduced "eve" responsibilities, it may even be a worthwhile time sink for me. We're looking forward to that Shar.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.19 15:46:00 - [97] Originally by: YouGotRipped We're looking forward to that Shar. Ahhh... trolling ammunition must be getting low. I'll get to work on providing you more right away.
YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.19 16:04:00 - [98] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 19/08/2008 16:04:40 Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: YouGotRipped We're looking forward to that Shar. Ahhh... trolling ammunition must be getting low. I'll get to work on providing you more right away. There's no need for that, my time here is almost at an end.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:21:00 - [99] Originally by: YouGotRipped Edited by: YouGotRipped on 19/08/2008 16:04:40 Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: YouGotRipped We're looking forward to that Shar. Ahhh... trolling ammunition must be getting low. I'll get to work on providing you more right away. There's no need for that, my time here is almost at an end. Looks like its gonna be an early xmas
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2008.08.19 17:45:00 - [100] weird because he is securing another lottery. http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=848729 Originally by: Vanora Kime Yep, that's right. I approached him a while ago with this, but he rejected my idea because of not having enough time at that moment.

YouGotRipped Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.08.19 20:54:00 - [101] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 19/08/2008 20:54:27 Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: YouGotRipped Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: YouGotRipped We're looking forward to that Shar. Ahhh... trolling ammunition must be getting low. I'll get to work on providing you more right away. There's no need for that, my time here is almost at an end. Looks like its gonna be an early xmas Perhaps Shar should tell you how to interpret my post.
TornSoul BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.20 18:32:00 - [102] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Saint Lazarus ....cause it'd have the same low chances of winning as any other lotto I was thinking of that as well, it seems like high stakes for a low chance. Someone else had the risk to reward ratio before. Odds of Winning = 8.33/1 Payout Ratio = 7.5/1 The funny thing is - Try and work those numbers on the BIG Lottery.... It should make any savy MD'er play each and every time - Except once a year /tongue in cheek Sorry for butting in but since it was brought up I couldnt resist it
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:00:00 - [103] Originally by: TornSoul The funny thing is - Try and work those numbers on the BIG Lottery.... It should make any savy MD'er play each and every time - Except once a year /tongue in cheek Sorry for butting in but since it was brought up I couldnt resist it Much appreciated imho, no one knows the lottery life in Eve more than yourself. For myself, I'm entertaining a different lottery methodology then is normally seen. In fact that's a specific design principle in this mental exercise. Like eBank and the ipo/bond market, I don't want to carve into the market share of the already existing lotteries. "Why rebuild the wheel" was the common thought at eBank and I'm a true believer of that.
Vanora Kime Caldari Reapage Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:39:00 - [104] Just to let those interested in playing know: I've just started the lottery in Sell Orders: Linkage If you'd like to play, please do so there, but please keep any discussion in this thread :-)
Roguehalo Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.21 08:45:00 - [105] This lottery is dead in the water before it even starts and I'm quite happy to explain why. Winning 1.5b for a 200m ticket has ZERO wow factor. So you are not going to sell any tickets. Winning 9b for a 200m ticket certainly has MORE wow factor but even that may not be enough. As I stated in an earlier post the problem with Eve lotteries is probably lack of demand rather than any difficulty organising one.
Vanora Kime Caldari Reapage Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.21 13:16:00 - [106] Originally by: Roguehalo Winning 1.5b for a 200m ticket has ZERO wow factor. So you are not going to sell any tickets. Winning 9b for a 200m ticket certainly has MORE wow factor but even that may not be enough. Well, the first few replies in my sales thread seem to prove you very right. I was really expecting people to accept a lower cut of the overall prize for a much higher chance to win. I'll give it a bit more time though :-)
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.21 13:36:00 - [107] Two things that are going against you: Firstly, people understand that no matter which tickets wins: You win every time. So in truth it actually is a rigged game, just not for any ticket holder. Secondly, not everyone is bowled over by involvement of eBank. eBank may think they've got the presence to have the Midas touch but in practice this is not so. Right now, that is pretty much your only gimmick making you the less than impressive one trick pony. In closing, what you are doing is passe. That was also, specifically, one of my other reasons for voting down eBank involvement when I was on the board. Doing the same-old same-old tired crap that everyone else is doing is not being the leader of innovation. And it really does not warrant interest except for some sad sacks desperately seeking sudden isk success to make up for their lack of earning isk success. Sadly, imho, this forum was the very wrong place to really try to market yourself. Too many smart people to see the raffle-paradigm for exactly what it is: A isk making vehicle for the organizer first and a winner second (if any).
Vanora Kime Caldari Reapage Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.21 13:49:00 - [108] Originally by: Shar Tegral Firstly, people understand that no matter which tickets wins: You win every time. So in truth it actually is a rigged game, just not for any ticket holder. Isn't that the case with every other lottery including RL ones? There'll always be a reward for the operator of a lottery (no matter how much it is), and the people gambling do know that, I would expect. They are gambling for the chance to make a quick profit out of pure luck, that's what lotteries are about. For me, yes, it is an 'isk making vehicle' but so are all the other lotteries/services/businesses, I never denied that.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.21 14:01:00 - [109] Originally by: Vanora Kime For me, yes, it is an 'isk making vehicle' but so are all the other lotteries/~~services/businesses~~, I never denied that. We'll discuss lotteries here as comparing yourself to service or business is pretty much lying. No, not every lottery is about making isk for the operator. A fine example is BIG's. I doubt they've ever made much money off the thing. However it can't be said that they receive nothing for their lottery. After all it helped them to make a name. As has been said previously, the level of service or effort on your part is quite minimal. Why should anyone be part of a large operation that is more correctly the "Vanora Kime Charity Fund" instead of the ubiquitous "eBank Secured Lottery"? It should also be pointed out that real life lotteries are often run for some social good. This can not be said of you so please refrain from comparing real life activities to your own. And this is why I said this forum is the wrong place for your PR efforts. You would have a greater sampling of potential entrants from the other community segments in Eve then you would have here. Too smart to play the alternate "begging game" that is the raffle lottery and too cagey to gamble in this manner.
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2008.08.21 15:20:00 - [110] You can't compare yourself to a RL lottery. Sure the company/state/government take the profits but I get the chance to RETIRE for the rest of my life with all the trappings of a millionaire lifestyle, so that is quite a big draw. In our imaginery game world there are many factors at stake, and pride and hard work are certainly some of them. So when we see a complete unknown comes along uses someone else's name to make money for less than an hours work a month we don't like it. Also 8.33 to 1, to win 7.5 to 1 is not that great. Make the odds much closer to the chance of success then you might get more takers. I would have TRIED to use Chribba, as EBank does have good name certainly in MD and some other forums, but Chribba has the BEST rep in the game.

TornSoul BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2008.08.21 17:42:00 - [111] Originally by: Shar Tegral No, not every lottery is about making isk for the operator. A fine example is BIG's. I doubt they've ever made much money off the thing. However it can't be said that they receive nothing for their lottery. After all it helped them to make a name. Just to clarify: BIG has never made any ISK of the BIG Lottery. We've in fact put ISK into it (lots and lots of it) But you are definatly correct that the BIG Lottery, or rather the reputation of running it legit, has been the foundation for many other projects of BIG. And just a FYI - I enjoy the bi-weekly drawings immensely as well It's great fun&games for an hour or so, you should all try and attend, at least once. Takes your mind of other things for a bit
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.23 02:55:00 - [112] <cough-cough> To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech	Posted - 2008.08.23 11:54:00 - [113] Hey mate few things - #1 - Have this thread locked, its run its course. #2 - You know EBANKS status on this, so your good there. #3 - People will attack this lottery because they have nothing better to do, and those that are against EBANK will attack it because well, you mentioned EBANK. Ignore them, if you feel it will work try it. You lose nothing by giving this a try once or twice. I amy even play just to help it work out and prove people wrong in here. #4 - Have fun its a game, don't take it so serious as others. Earn Isk on your Idle Isk Today!
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.23 14:53:00 - [114] So... are you an ebank spokesperson now? It is confusing as you keep saying that you are not but then you jump out and make statements for ebank. But that doesn't matter, the ebank angle on this is minor no matter what you may think. My own comments are quite clear about that. So perhaps you'll sit back and read what is posted instead of the usual eBank arrogance of "We are Uber, naysayers are just trolls."
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.23 15:51:00 - [115] Edited by: Shadarle on 23/08/2008 15:51:32 Originally by: Proton Power #3 - People will attack this lottery because they have nothing better to do, and those that are against EBANK will attack it because well, you mentioned EBANK. Ignore them Rather sad to see how quickly someone can succumb to group-think mentality. Anyone who raises concerns with something E-Bank is involved with must either hate E-Bank or be bored? There couldn't possibly be problems with it.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech	Posted - 2008.08.23 18:29:00 - [116] Originally by: Shadarle Edited by: Shadarle on 23/08/2008 15:51:32 Originally by: Proton Power #3 - People will attack this lottery because they have nothing better to do, and those that are against EBANK will attack it because well, you mentioned EBANK. Ignore them Rather sad to see how quickly someone can succumb to group-think mentality. Anyone who raises concerns with something E-Bank is involved with must either hate E-Bank or be bored? There couldn't possibly be problems with it. Yes because we are not charing enough per Shadarle there must be somthing wrong with Ebank. Originally by: Shar Tegral So... are you an ebank spokesperson now? It is confusing as you keep saying that you are not but then you jump out and make statements for ebank. But that doesn't matter, the ebank angle on this is minor no matter what you may think. My own comments are quite clear about that. So perhaps you'll sit back and read what is posted instead of the usual eBank arrogance of "We are Uber, naysayers are just trolls." Part 1 - Ebank Spokesperson, Don't think anything I said actually had much to do with me being a spokesperson. The Thread Op knows Ebanks stance. Not much else to it. Part 2 - Don't think I said Shar Tegral will attack this thread cause he dosnt like EBANK or what ever it is you do or don't. Honestly I don't care if you like us, don't lik us or what ever. The fact remains how Ebank does this is our business and not yours. Don't think an Ebank spokesman can be the only person to state this. Part 3 - Why change the subject? Every part of my thread was on subject, instead you come in and change to attack me callign me a spokesman which honestly I cant see from my post at all, nor can others, its jus Shar looking for somting as always. Earn Isk on your Idle Isk Today!
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.23 18:51:00 - [117] Originally by: Proton Power Rather sad to see how quickly someone can succumb to group-think mentality. E-Bank's problem is that all of its members think they MUST be heard on every topic. Lack of self control is a major problem for E-Bank. Not enough E-Bank people care enough about E-Bank to sacrifice their own personal ego and pride by not talking. They all have a need to be heard at all times. And even when the topic was basically dead someone (you) had to bring this back to the top of the forums and throw more fuel on the fire by throwing insults. This is exactly the problem that E-Bank always has and it is demonstrated over and over again.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech	Posted - 2008.08.23 18:56:00 - [118] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Proton Power Rather sad to see how quickly someone can succumb to group-think mentality. E-Bank's problem is that all of its members think they MUST be heard on every topic. Lack of self control is a major problem for E-Bank. Not enough E-Bank people care enough about E-Bank to sacrifice their own personal ego and pride by not talking. They all have a need to be heard at all times. And even when the topic was basically dead someone (you) had to bring this back to the top of the forums and throw more fuel on the fire by throwing insults. This is exactly the problem that E-Bank always has and it is demonstrated over and over again. First - What I posted had zero to do with Ebank itself, it all had to do with the Opp, the fact is people attack what they dont like or trust. Goons attack BoB, Dogs attack Cats, people that dont like Ebank attack it. Second - Look at the time of the post. It was hours after the last post meaning it was not about dead or even close to the second page. Think it was topic number 3 at the time. So before your going ot state I brought the thread back to life, maybe look at the times that are stamped in the top of the post. Think you have been playing long enough to figure that one out no? Earn Isk on your Idle Isk Today!
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.08.23 19:16:00 - [119] PP, the thread may have been on page one but had very little life left. It was going to fade away as most people saw this as a dead topic. Of course you had to toss around some insults and act like people had personal issues if they found any problem with this. I was pointing out the problem E-Bank has. You seemed to think the shoe fit, so I'll let that speak for itself.
Proton Power Amarr Power Corrupts Tech	Posted - 2008.08.23 19:25:00 - [120] Originally by: Shadarle PP, the thread may have been on page one but had very little life left. It was going to fade away as most people saw this as a dead topic. Of course you had to toss around some insults and act like people had personal issues if they found any problem with this. I was pointing out the problem E-Bank has. You seemed to think the shoe fit, so I'll let that speak for itself. Mate the reason for my post was just that. The thread was dead then it somone came along puts a bs post in just to bump it back to the top. So I told the opp he should have it locked, there is zero reason left for this thread to exist, as you are pointing out, so then why was it bumped to the top? Earn Isk on your Idle Isk Today!

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