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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:13:00 -
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Streamlining the council and issues.
I have been on about this a few times by now. But one of the major issues that is being had with the council at present, as I see it, is how issues are handled. What interesting is, is that it's fairly easy to put them into fine boxes in a sensible way. And I frankly think that is what is needed in order to make the council more effective.
Looking at the issues being raised, we see following types of issues:
* Feature ideas
* Fixes wanted(Corp UI being wanted, drone behaviour being bad, etc.)
* Questions about certain things(Alliance tournament, for instance)
* Ships modifications
* Everything else
In order to make the task of putting together and answering all these things, we need to streamline the handling. What the CSM can do, is fairly simple: Tell the difference between them all and submit them in different ways.
Lets try and look how it would work.
Feature ideas: These documents would flesh out the aspects of the feature and how it would benefit the game. The current document we have is very well suited for this.
Fixes wanted: It should describe the current mechanic's faults and short-comings. It will have to describe how it would work out better, eventually by giving examples or ideas for how else it could work. For instance in the case of the corp UI, some graphics-wizard could pump out a few drafts for how the UI could look.
Questions: These are easily put into a list of questions, rather than being fully fleshed out like feature. These would be submitted to CCP as one big list and answer is expected to be handed back on the first day of meetings. No discussion should be had on all topics, unless (1) The CSM has questions for CCP or (2) CCP didn't understand the question or wanted further feedback on the question.
Ships modification: Link. Preferably, the amount of these should be EXTREMELY limited, if not done at all. But the streamlining idea for this would be to submit a document which contains a description of the issue with the ship, as well as providing ideas for how to change the attributes. This should be formatted in the same way as patch-notes on ships changes are done.
Everything else should be using our current standard document.
This will allow the council to be more effective in regards to getting questions to CCP and for CCP to answer them all. Thus, it's mutually beneficial to everybody. What do you people think?
Credits: Sheriff Jones for coming up with the streamlining idea for getting answers to simple questions.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:13:00 -
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Streamlining the council and issues.
I have been on about this a few times by now. But one of the major issues that is being had with the council at present, as I see it, is how issues are handled. What interesting is, is that it's fairly easy to put them into fine boxes in a sensible way. And I frankly think that is what is needed in order to make the council more effective.
Looking at the issues being raised, we see following types of issues:
* Feature ideas
* Fixes wanted(Corp UI being wanted, drone behaviour being bad, etc.)
* Questions about certain things(Alliance tournament, for instance)
* Ships modifications
* Everything else
In order to make the task of putting together and answering all these things, we need to streamline the handling. What the CSM can do, is fairly simple: Tell the difference between them all and submit them in different ways.
Lets try and look how it would work.
Feature ideas: These documents would flesh out the aspects of the feature and how it would benefit the game. The current document we have is very well suited for this.
Fixes wanted: It should describe the current mechanic's faults and short-comings. It will have to describe how it would work out better, eventually by giving examples or ideas for how else it could work. For instance in the case of the corp UI, some graphics-wizard could pump out a few drafts for how the UI could look.
Questions: These are easily put into a list of questions, rather than being fully fleshed out like feature. These would be submitted to CCP as one big list and answer is expected to be handed back on the first day of meetings. No discussion should be had on all topics, unless (1) The CSM has questions for CCP or (2) CCP didn't understand the question or wanted further feedback on the question.
Ships modification: Link. Preferably, the amount of these should be EXTREMELY limited, if not done at all. But the streamlining idea for this would be to submit a document which contains a description of the issue with the ship, as well as providing ideas for how to change the attributes. This should be formatted in the same way as patch-notes on ships changes are done.
Everything else should be using our current standard document.
This will allow the council to be more effective in regards to getting questions to CCP and for CCP to answer them all. Thus, it's mutually beneficial to everybody. What do you people think?
Credits: Sheriff Jones for coming up with the streamlining idea for getting answers to simple questions.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:20:00 -
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Personally I think you're working along the right lines Vista, however I'd have to disagree on the "Ship Modification" part.
There are too many people on these forums who have a "I know everything about Eve" attitude and think they know how to balance the game better than CCP. I'm still firmly of the belief that the CSM should not advocate ship or race changes at all, but focus more on new content development and game mechanics streamlining such as the overhaul of POS, the overhaul of the Sovreignty system and the removal of bugs and issues with the game and it's engine.
Too many people seem to be using the CSM foums as a way to show their hate of the latest FOTM fittings and ultimately it's wasting the CSM's time. CCP play the game, if there are issues with ships they'll adjust them as appropriate.
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:36:00 -
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Ship Mods should be called balancing issues.
Either way, we should escalate replacement of the forums to a web2.0 solution.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.16 11:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Serenity Steele
Either way, we should escalate replacement of the forums to a web2.0 solution.
Proof that SS works in marketing^ 
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Toman Jerich
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.16 13:56:00 -
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Do you differentiate between the following issues?
"Let's change the power grid on the night hawk."
versus
"We need to re-think the Titan DD"
or
"Lets re-think cap ship roles so that they don't directly obsolete sub-capitals for so many purposes."
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.16 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Toman Jerich
Do you differentiate between the following issues?
"Let's change the power grid on the night hawk."
versus
"We need to re-think the Titan DD"
or
"Lets re-think cap ship roles so that they don't directly obsolete sub-capitals for so many purposes."
Yes, those are different kinds of issues.
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Toman Jerich
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.08.16 14:05:00 -
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Is there anything regular joes ought to do in accordance with what you wrote?
Is there some place where we can see the submission document formats you use?
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.08.16 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Toman Jerich
Is there anything regular joes ought to do in accordance with what you wrote?
Is there some place where we can see the submission document formats you use?
Nope, not at all. This is all something that has to be done by the council. The current submission format we use, is right here.
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Kelsin
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.16 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Toman Jerich
Is there anything regular joes ought to do in accordance with what you wrote?
Is there some place where we can see the submission document formats you use?
Nope, not at all. This is all something that has to be done by the council. The current submission format we use, is right here.
Well we could start a trend of, instead of putting [Issue] in front of thread titles, putting:
[Feature]
[Fix]
[Question]
[Balance]
to indicate what kind of topic it is.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.08.16 15:16:00 -
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I approve of both Kelsin's and LVV's ideas here. And Serenity, you already have escalated a thread entitled "Fix the Forums!", I should hope that's enough. It was generic, I admit, but I'm sure CCP and everybody else knows exactly what I meant.
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.08.16 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Toman Jerich
Do you differentiate between the following issues?
"Let's change the power grid on the night hawk."
versus
"We need to re-think the Titan DD"
or
"Lets re-think cap ship roles so that they don't directly obsolete sub-capitals for so many purposes."
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Yes, those are different kinds of issues.
They're different kinds of issues, however as far as CCP are concerned they're all lumped under the "Balancing Category" and smart enough + need to work out a solution for themselves and come back to the players.
I agree on the point about the forums replacement already been raised enough to be the dead horse we're already flogging.
P.S. I work in the Internet/Mobile industry, not marketing!
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Serenity Steele
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Posted - 2008.08.16 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto
I approve of both Kelsin's and LVV's ideas here. And Serenity, you already have escalated a thread entitled "Fix the Forums!", I should hope that's enough. It was generic, I admit, but I'm sure CCP and everybody else knows exactly what I meant.
Starting trends FTW!
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