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Celes Tenebrae Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.18 00:08:00 - [1] Little children, do not cry, step into my boat. Far above the raging storm, I will keep you safe and warm, And sing you all a lullaby when all the lights are out. I'm pleased to announce that after a brief consultation with the governess, and a personal blessing from Ms. Cyshade, I have the pleasure of an interim position as patron of the Tomorrowland Orphanage. Sadly, my appointment has its root in a rather disappointing set of circumstances. The orphanage has recently found itself under a war declaration from the pilots of Mixed Metaphor. This frustrated act of cowardice from a self styled 'bastion of liberty' betrays them for what they are - vile opportunists, willing to victimise those trusted with the care of the less than fortunate in search of some trivial and hollow glory. This shall certainly not stand. The governess is a single pilot, doing her upmost for a great many under-priviledged children. As such, the Tomorrowland Orphanage is now under the protection of Exalted, and considered part of our family. Mr. Ixiris, we were happy to accept the transfer of your war declaration as a continuation of our ongoing dispute. As Tomorrowland Orphanage has now formally joined our alliance, it comes as no suprise that you are once again experiencing some problems with your bureaucracy. We shall certainly do our best to restore the declaration at the earliest opportunity, sir. Any parties willing and able to make a donation toward the upkeep of the orphanage should contact the governess, Ruby Amatucci, directly. Khanid Canonical Resources
BloodBird Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.18 00:27:00 - [2] Wow, how cute - The Sansha supporters claim to be the victims because they just so happen to have an orphanage that was supposed to start JUST when they get wardecked by Mixed Metaphor. What a sad coincidence this is, I guess you now expect the universe to condemn this senseless act of brutality towards the poor children at the hands of Mixed Metaphor, or at least gain the mantle of victim in this case. Truly, little bothers me more than someone hiding behind another in a war, be that Amarrians hiding behind their slaves on thier ships, claiming the Minmatar kill them by blowing up their vessels, or the Sansha supporters hiding behind children... ... also, even IF this plan was simply to open an orphage your not making yourself look any more noble or kind by doing so, SANSHA - there are billions of orphanages across the cluster and for you to open another hardly makes any diffrence, or you any less bad in the eyes of others. Oh, and before you start telling me I'm wrong in calling you Sansha supporters, I'd like to point out that Naquam, a self-styled Sansha loyalist corporation has joined your merry band of people. I might be wrong, but your own corporation as well seems to be a blood-raider faction, making this even worse. Still, I guess I should applaud you the effort, you are trying, and it does count for something. Just don't expect others to support you, or be fooled by your actions. Sig source
Ruby Amatucci Tomorrowland Orphanage	Posted - 2008.08.18 02:02:00 - [3] Hello, hello, Friend Celes! On behalf of Tomorrowland Orphanage - that is me, the children and everyone in Community 221 - I would like to say we are very, very delighted to have so many new family members. And also, my uncle would like to compare some notes with you, he says it's about some of the upgrades for the children. He helped me write this, too - thanks, Uncle! And Bloodbird person, I don't understand what you're saying. Tomorrowland Orphanage was started more than eight months ago, and it was started by my uncle and me, not by Friend Celes or Exalted or Cruoris Seraphim or Naqam. I'm pretty sure none of them are hiding behind any of the children, too. If they are, they're really good at it, because most of the children are pretty small and move around a lot. My uncle said...something like that you probably mean that Exalted is counting on the children to protect them, which is a really silly idea. The children don't know how to fight. Anyway, the children feel a lot safer now that they know Exalted is watching out for them. I've been telling them all kinds of stories about all the people there, and they're asking all kinds of questions I don't know the answers to half the time, like if Cyshade keeps goldfish. That's one of the girls...she wants to be just like Cyshade when she grows up, and she also loves goldfish. I told her Cyshade keeps a tank of translucent electrical killer fish that she feeds blood, and when they've just been fed, the blood and electricity makes them glow red. Now she wants fish like that, too. Anyway, my uncle says I'm getting sidetracked again, so I'll stop. Thanks again, Friend Celes!
Aria Jenneth Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.08.18 03:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 18/08/2008 03:50:16 I'm never quite sure whether this sort of slightly queasy PR move Naqam and its close associates seem so good at is a bona fide, slightly miscalculated attempt at public relations or whether it's a very well-calculated effort at attracting capsuleers who share similar ... "aesthetics," is the best word I can come up with for it. As time goes on and it gets repeated, pitch-perfect, by multiple different voices-- the super happy chip, the refugee relocation (to Stain) program, this orphanage-- I'm increasingly convinced of the latter. If this is so, well, credit where it's due, I suppose, pilots. It's a fascinating recruitment strategy. Ghost Festival is recruiting!
Theus Behnira Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.18 04:29:00 - [5] Hmm... Upgrades? For the children? Alright. I am going to try to avoid instinctively leaping to the conclusion that Naqam is implanting Transcranial Microcontrolers (or similar devices) in young children. I am sure that there are many others who might want to throw such accusations (and perhaps threats?) around, based entirely on incomplete and inconclusive evidence. What I am concerned about though, (aside from the fact that at least one young girl is evidently idolizing a Bloodraider) is the concept that these children are potentially being given unnecessary cybernetic upgrades and augmentations at such an early stage of development. I am not a cybernetic scientist, but it doesn't take a genius to realize that electronics do not grow along with their biological host. Thus, implanting a child could very well condemn them to a lifestyle that forces them to go under the knife uncountable times as they progress towards maturity, due to the fact that older implants will need to be repositioned or replaced entirely as their bodies and bone structure change shape. If this lifestyle were forced upon my child, I have little doubt that I would worry constantly about the toll it might take on her psyche. But admittedly, I am still leaping to conclusions here, and I would appreciate it if my above concerns could be addressed, if not laid to rest entirely. Respectfully -T. Behnira
Shern Minmatar Ammatar Free Corps	Posted - 2008.08.18 05:54:00 - [6] I don't quite know what to make of this. Although careing for the less fortunate is one of God's commands, I am, well, skeptical that this isn't being done for for the benefit of some warped scientists and pilots rather than for the good of the children. Originally by: Theus Behnira But admittedly, I am still leaping to conclusions here, and I would appreciate it if my above concerns could be addressed, if not laid to rest entirely. Respectfully -T. Behnira I'd like it if this pilot's query could be addressed as well.
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.08.18 06:23:00 - [7] Indeed, the care of children, one of God's greatest gifts (something I think most of us can agree on), is of the utmost importance. But I fear that they are being drawn into a game that they do not understand. It is so easy for the young to be abused and taken advantage of. They often do not understand what or why they end up where they are, and often it scars them for their lives. If the individuals protecting the orphanage from Mixed Metaphor are doing so for no good reason other than that it IS a good thing, the right thing, then more power to them. If the politics and agendas of those organizations and their backers and their patrons are kept far from these children, then so much the better. If not... well.... May God grant you the same Mercy in Death that you showed others in your Life.
Ruby Amatucci Tomorrowland Orphanage	Posted - 2008.08.18 10:00:00 - [8] We've been upgrading ourselves for a hundred years. The place where my Community used to live wasn't a very easy place to live in after most of the planet was bombed from orbit by the enemy, so we needed to keep upgrading each other to survive. Anyway, since I'm taking really good care of all the children, and since we don't live under Skyward City anymore, they probably won't need all the upgrades as badly as we did - but the upgrades will still make their lives a lot easier and prettier, so not giving them any upgrades would be a really cheap and nasty thing to do. I had my first upgrade when I was three years old myself, and I've had lots ands lots of new ones since then. Friend Theus (well, I hope you're a friendly person, it seems like you are), you're right that a lot of cybernetic upgrades would need to be constantly replaced or modified if you give them to children. Most of the upgrades we give to children aren't cybernetic, though. In fact, the first upgrade we usually give to children doesn't involve surgery at all. This upgrade is the Immunological Symbiote treatment, where lots of tiny little amoebas are put into the bodies of the children. They make the immune system stronger, make wounds heal faster and keep the blood clean of dangerous substances. The children are also given replacement organs, usually kidneys, lungs and heart. Of course, you have to do surgery then, but the new organs are much better and work for much longer than the old organs. They're grown in laboratories using the children's own DNA, only with some changes to make them better. My uncle says it's called "limited genetic redesign". Their bone marrow is also changed in some way to make blood that keeps oxygen better - with upgraded lungs and improved blood oxygenation, you can hold your breath for more than ten minutes, sometimes even fifteen! Anyway, these replacement organs grow with the child, of course, so you don't have to replace them all the time. In fact, you usually don't have to replace them ever again. There are lots of other organic upgrades, too. Except for subdermal communication implants and simple flesh-mounted neural jacks, the children are usually in their mid-teens before we give them their first actual cybernetic upgrades, usually sensory-enhancing cyberware. And it's pretty much only after they're all grown up like me that they get bigger cybernetic upgrades like replacement limbs, spinal-mounted neural jacks, skeletal enhancements, synthetic muscle grafts and other big stuff. Are you okay with that answer?
Theus Behnira Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.18 12:31:00 - [9] Theus appears on screen, his features displaying a clear sense of bewilderment. With his left eye twitching subtly, and his mouth ajar, he hesitates momentarily before speaking up. That... That is... An "okay" answer, Ms. Amatucci. An unexpected and slightly dis- ... No. Wait. I must correct myself. An unexpected and definitely disturbing answer, but it is still an "okay" answer, nonetheless... I think. Still wearing the same bewildered expression, Theus inclines his head and utters a few final words before the video feed begins to fade. Thank you. Your candor is appreciated.
Carcosa Hali Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.18 13:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Theus Behnira Hmm... Upgrades? For the children? Alright. I am going to try to avoid instinctively leaping to the conclusion that Naqam is implanting Transcranial Microcontrolers (or similar devices) in young children. Please understand Cpt. Behnira, that Community 221 and Tomorrowland are wholly separate entities from Naqam, so the answer is no. We have nothing to do with surgeries performed to correct congenital or other disorders; though we could be of assistance if needed, I suppose. However, there's no way in hell that we're going to just stand by while Ixirus and his bong-buddies shell an orphanage. That guy is completely out of control.. -------------- Sometimes you lose it all... Sacrifice: The Sansha War

Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.18 14:26:00 - [11] Naqam is, at its root, a humanitarian organization. We will of course take whatever steps are needed to shelter these children from violence. I saddens me to see that so little has changed, that some people - even Mixed Metaphor and Andreus Ixirus - would decide attacking an orphanage just because they are a little bit different is the right course of action. This is the kind of blind hatred we are trying to fight against. I don't expect everyone to think Naqam's way is the right way. I just hope one day they will see that hating, destroying, murdering for no real reason at all is the wrong way. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
Sahaquiel Faust Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.08.18 15:56:00 - [12] wowee, having fun lying? Honestly war was declared against Tomorrowland because they attacked MXD assets. Exalted being the opportunistic people they are decided that Tomorrowland would be useful as pawns because we blocking their attempts to keep the war going. so Tomorrowland were the agressors. they attacked an MXD mining vessel unprovoked and were wardecced as a result. Exalted just saw an opportunity to work the system and took it. end of story -----
Theus Behnira Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.18 16:05:00 - [13] I agree with your sentiment, Sir, and I would like to believe that Naqam is doing this for the right reasons. I honestly, truly would. Yet it occurs to me that it was not so long ago that you and your corporation were standing idly by, as your close allies were reportedly blooding the minors of Skarkon. Whilst speaking on the issue, I believe it was you, Mr. Night, that told me that "A Capsuleer that deplores the loss of individual lives is akin to a grain thresher that complains when someone snaps a single stalk of wheat at the root". Or something along those lines, at any rate. Now, I certainly do not wish to dissuade you from your course of protecting the children of Community 221. Far from it. If it is true that Ixirus is the blind and murderous aggressor here, then I would say that you should all be commended. But I feel the question must be asked: Why is it that Naqam, and indeed Cruoris Seraphim of all groups(!) have agreed to safeguard these children, when they ignored and even *caused* the deaths of those in Skarkon? Ignoring the obvious difference of physiology, how are these two groups of youths different? How can you say that one group of children are fit for sacrifice, yet another worthy to stand behind your protective barricade? Try as I might, I cannot grasp the cold mentality that would allow both events to happen. Respectfully, -T. Behnira
Celes Tenebrae Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.18 16:44:00 - [14] Originally by: Theus Behnira How can you say that one group of children are fit for sacrifice, yet another worthy to stand behind your protective barricade? Well dear, I would have thought as a member of an empire loyalist organisation you'd be rather familiar with this concept. That is - that if they're of people on the other side of a line you've drawn on a map, it's perfectly acceptable to throw the babies from the city walls. Ah! chuckles Unforgivable...I do apologise, I did intend to answer the question seriously, though I believe that is as much of an answer as the question warrants. A sad truth of the cluster we've all built is that children die, and as long as they're not our own children, we simply do not care. Community 221 has no Gallente children, or Matari children, (culturally speaking, it is an ethnically diverse community) so why should anybody care if Ixiris destroys an orphanage? We've made them our children Mr. Behnira, part of our family, and our responsibility. I'm certain you wouldn't stand idle while that scoundrel Ixiris attacked a Republic orphanage, am I right dear? I do hope Skarkon isn't a sore point Poppet, but we did feel it was important to voice our discontent at the Cartel. Your Republic seemed entirely unable or unwilling in this regard, so we were forced to take the initiative ourselves. Khanid Canonical Resources
Carcosa Hali Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.18 17:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust wowee, having fun lying? Honestly war was declared against Tomorrowland because they attacked MXD assets. Exalted being the opportunistic people they are decided that Tomorrowland would be useful as pawns because we blocking their attempts to keep the war going. so Tomorrowland were the agressors. they attacked an MXD mining vessel unprovoked and were wardecced as a result. Exalted just saw an opportunity to work the system and took it. end of story -------------- Sometimes you lose it all... Sacrifice: The Sansha War
Sallera Zephyr Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.08.18 17:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust Tomorrowland were the agressors. they attacked an MXD mining vessel unprovoked and were wardecced as a result. Exalted just saw an opportunity to work the system and took it. Orphanages engaging in piracy? snickers Seems the orphans are learning fast. Best be careful, MXD, the small children are coming for you... I'm sure Exalted. can find a use for them, after all.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.18 18:11:00 - [17] This is several hundred children at least. That is the basic difference. As Ms Hali mentioned of course, they are also being adopted into the Exalted. family. On a personal note, I actually find the Blood Raiders practices quite distasteful. If other allies had had the moral fortitude to stand beside us, maybe they wouldn't be the only ones we had. As it is, distasteful or no, they are loyal and competent. They have in fact judged us based on who we are rather than the superstitious fear of what we represent. I can only do the same in return, even if thier practices aren't something I endorse. Regardless, they generally don't involve minors in their rituals, Skarkon being an exception where they hoped that with just a few lives lost, they could get action taken by the Republic to prevent thousands or millions being lost under the jack boot of an Angel Cartel regime. -------------- The Clown Man. GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter
KillJoy Tseng Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.18 18:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Celes Tenebrae Well dear, I would have thought as a member of an empire loyalist organisation you'd be rather familiar with this concept. That is - that if they're of people on the other side of a line you've drawn on a map, it's perfectly acceptable to throw the babies from the city walls. Speaking as another member of the same Republic loyalist organization, I feel inclined to comment that no, it really isn't acceptable, and I really have no trouble calling people monsters who do such deliberately, no matter organization, racial or political boundaries, or any of the rest. This would apply just as much to a member of a Matari corporation doing so to Amarrian children as it would do, say, Blood Raider affiliated organization attacking Matari children. That said, I won't claim to know the whole facts of this situation aside from those presented in this thread, so I won't comment further.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari Ledoux Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.18 22:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Sahaquiel Faust Exalted just saw an opportunity to work the system and took it. end of story Working the wardec system? Who would DO such a thing?
Ravin Abai Amarr Cruoris Seraphim Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.19 03:46:00 - [20] While the "civilized" people of the Cluster love to hem and haw about the savagery of the pirate factions, the fact of the matter is that millions of people live and work underneath our rule in 0.0 space. I'm not saying that we're just as upstanding and scrupulous as our more legitimate counterparts, but from what I've seen these kids are given access to decent food, healthcare, and shelter. They also receive a good education. Of course, if you'd rather groups like the Nation and the Covenant didn't raise our own kids, we could always start kidnapping yours. Also, Faust, when you're ready to stop throwing ships away in the service of your worthless Intaki lord, give me a call. He doesn't appreciate your efforts or the sacrifice of your crews in order to make up for his blustery arrogance on the forums. The way things are going, you're likely to keep losing ships and crews of good Federation citizens while he continues to post idiotic rants on the IGS from the safety of the nearest station. Does he even look up from the mirror and put the straw down when he hears of your latest ship loss? Or does he just continue snorting up all the corporation's earnings so he can at least feel like a winner for the next half hour? How does it feel to work for an impotent junkie thug?

Mebrithiel Ju'wien Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.19 10:00:00 - [21] Originally by: Ravin Abai How does it feel to work for an impotent junkie thug? Wow... Just wow!
Leon 026 Caldari Vorace. Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.19 12:13:00 - [22] The children will carry out torches after we pass them on afterall. May as well put them through a good education system with courses on survival than ridiculous and pointless class such as religion, spoon-fed "patriotism" and "god".
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.20 06:12:00 - [23] Originally by: Leon 026 Edited by: Leon 026 on 19/08/2008 12:18:09 The children will carry our torches after we pass them on afterall. May as well put them through a good education system with courses on survival rather than ridiculous and pointless classes such as religion, spoon-fed "patriotism" and "god". Or such irrelevant topics such as ancestry, history, or tribal identity. Right?
Natalcya Katla Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2008.08.20 09:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Vikarion Or such irrelevant topics such as ancestry, history, or tribal identity. Right? Emotional favoritism based on biological ties, including such concepts as "ethnic identity", is nothing more and nothing less than racism, and should ideally be illegalized - while history is valuable only as far as its lessons can be employed in the creation of a better tomorrow, and should be edited with that in mind.
Leon 026 Caldari Vorace. Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.20 10:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Leon 026 Edited by: Leon 026 on 19/08/2008 12:18:09 The children will carry our torches after we pass them on afterall. May as well put them through a good education system with courses on survival rather than ridiculous and pointless classes such as religion, spoon-fed "patriotism" and "god". Or such irrelevant topics such as ancestry, history, or tribal identity. Right? What point are you trying to make?
Bruja Ry Caldari Copperhead Arsenal	Posted - 2008.08.20 13:21:00 - [26] Originally by: Natalcya Katla Emotional favoritism based on biological ties, including such concepts as "ethnic identity", is nothing more and nothing less than racism, and should ideally be illegalized - while history is valuable only as far as its lessons can be employed in the creation of a better tomorrow, and should be edited with that in mind. As much as it would be nice to see all rasicm removed from the universe, I doubt that it will happen anytime soon, other then the fact that we have wars going on constently between all the empires, I think the only way to remove the rasicm would be to remove any concept of the empires, including that of the pirate empires, and the capsuleer empires. Which would be hard to do, since most people have freewill.

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