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Julitta
Minmatar Daedalus industries
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Posted - 2008.08.18 10:14:00 -
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Heya, I was just curious if battleship manufacturing is very good profit if I'm already mining all the materials myself. Im looking to build amarrian battleships (mainly to get myself an Abaddon, and no, I dont wanna simply buy one, its not as fun that way :P) but I'm curious if its going to be worth it in the end. A nation is a society united by delusions about its ancestry and by common hatred of its neighbors. |
Commander Koen
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Posted - 2008.08.18 11:07:00 -
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maybe 2/3mil profit. only do it if you can fly a freigther to get your minerals together. or just mine all those minerals
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.18 13:43:00 -
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The profit has nothing to do with if you mine it all or not.
It has to do with: Your Production Efficency skill level Your BPO/BPC cost The VALUE of the minerals it takes to build The VALUE of the ship The VALUE of the time spent to make the ship or move the minerals etc
Profit of items always varies. One day the answer will be yes, it's quite profitable and lots of people will start building, and so the next it may not be so much.
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Belloche
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.18 18:57:00 -
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I think it is worth it in the end.
I have read many times in other posts that "the minerals you mine are not free" and should be included when trying to figure out your costs. I plan on doing some manufacturing and mining for myself. I am mining my minerals when I get bored of doing the mission grind. I know that doing lvl4 missions yeild a higher isk/hour reward, but I mine just so I have a change of pace by doing something different. How can I factor that into the profit margin? If I mine most of my minerals (have a corpmate do the rifining with perfect skills for free) and buy the high ends that I cant mine myself (since I only have minimal mining skills) how do I factor that in? Say that I need to buy 100M of high end minerals (Zydrine, Megacyte, etc) and can supply all the trit, pyerite, iso, etc, myself (which would cost 300M if bought) I have only put in 100M in actual isk plus many hours of mining. If I could sell the 10 ships I produce for 450M does that mean I only made a profit of 50M? or is it less than that since I am not a miner by trade and only do it when I get bored of mission running? Since after all, a dedicated miner could mine what I do in half the time. Thanks for your replies. |
Ikserak tai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:20:00 -
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As a break from the mission running grind I find mining relaxing/challenging in its own right.
I too am loathe to buy ships when I can mfr my own, so I mine the high sec stuff and buy the Megacyte and Zydrine.
Since you seem to have a BS copy with 10 runs, its just a matter of how long you want to hang out in the belts. Even with a Hulk its going to take awhile.
Or just build a few, sell 'em, and then return to mining when you get a chance. |
Sysion
Core Research Expedition
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:24:00 -
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Following that route, your profit for the *ship* alone would only be 50m. The logic is you could have mined that Trit, Pyerite, and Iso, then turned around and sold it for 300m.
So, you could have either sold those minerals for 300m, or kept them for your own use and you just so happened to use it to build this battleship that then made you an extra 50m.
Nothing is ever free when building. If you do something on your own (mining, hauling, etc), you should factor it in somehow. |
Belloche
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.18 19:47:00 -
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Thanks for the replies |
Ki Shodan
Gallente deep blue
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Posted - 2008.08.19 11:41:00 -
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How long does it take you to mine the low end ores only, to produce one BS? How long would it take to mine enough for a batch of 10 BS, even if you have a Hulk-miner with an hauler alt? How much does the BP cost to produce said Battleships? While working to the goal of manufacturing your own first BS is a good one, mining solo (even with 2 accounts) for a Batch of 10 BS might take a while.
Sure you make some money, if you sell this batch, but would you make more money doing something else in that time? Mining can be a very relaxing waste of time. I do it once a while, but not for producing just for relaxing and meditating in front of some rocks, or to watch the mining drones dance. (Just 5 of 'em nowdays, but it is still relaxing.) |
Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.08.19 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz The profit has nothing to do with if you mine it all or not.
Yes it does, it depends on the individual, not all of us are brainwashed by modern society to think "time is money", to some of us, mined minerals are free !! ;) |
LordSax7648
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:22:00 -
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As a major manufactor of t1 ships, rigs and ship equipment let me share some thoughts on this.
1) Minerals are not free, even if you mine them yourself. How can you put an isk value on them? Simple get the local market average for your mins. (Some use the Jitta average for a guide. I generally use my region as that's where I do my buisness). That's what it would cost you to buy them or what you could get if you sold them.
2) Your standings with the station will impact your overall cost, as stations charge fee's to manufactor. You can alter this by having the "Production Eff." researched on your bpo (or bpc)-thusly reducing the time it takes to build. I generally get my bpo's to 25 for this. Check this before buying your bpc.
3) You need to have the "Production Eff" skill to 5, epecially on ships as this will reduce your "building" waste to zero. You will also need to have your bpc have a mineral eff of at least 20, which will reduce your (BPO) waste to less than 1% (down from %10 at a me of 0).
4) The market, not the cost will determine how much you make. By that I mean while you could say I want cost plus 10% for this ship and put it for sale for that amount, chances are it will remain as a unsold buy order. You have to price according to what the market will bear.
5) Hub is not the place to sell, Amarr, Jitta, etc do have the customers, but those places will require you to sell at a bare minimal-as these places have everyone and their brother selling goods. At least five jumps from a hub in a system with mission agents would work best as you have access to a market where you can buy resources and customers that will buy your goods at a nice price.
While mining your mins is a way to increase your profit, don't be afraid to put out buy orders for resources you need, as many times you can obtain mins for less than average and in turn be able to build and sell more ships. More ships sold = more profit!
Typically a 50-75% margin is good on small ships (frigs), 25-50% on cruisers/indy's 10-15% on battlecruisers and 5-8% on battleships. These of course will vary depending on market, but it what I've come to expect selling in empire.
LS
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Clair Bear
Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.08.20 04:58:00 -
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ISK you get by shooting rats is free. Minerals you mine are free. Datacores you get are free.
Can I haz ur free stuff? |
Baka Lakadaka
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.08.20 06:45:00 -
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I like to think of it this way:
If I spend 40m on minerals (or mine 40m worth, or whatever) and I've got that 40m tied up in a BS, it might take a while to sell.
If I spend that same 40m and build 10 cruisers and 40 frigates, I've got my ISK tied up in much more liquid items. I might only sell 2 cruisers and 10 frigates in the first few days, but that ISK is coming back and I can re-invest it into my next build.
I much prefer the steady income and re-investment of the profit by making smaller items. Building BS or other expensive items is fine, but it ties up large amounts of ISK. I'll make more by trickling the ISK back in and reinvesting small amounts rather than waiting for the big sale of the BS. It's the same with rigs, I make a lot more selling 6 x 10m items than I do making a single 60m item, because the first 10m is reinvested into parts long before the 60m ever comes back.
Once you're well established, start making the odd BS, but cash-flow is king in this game, just like any RL business.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.08.20 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Steve Hawkings
Originally by: Lord Fitz The profit has nothing to do with if you mine it all or not.
Yes it does, it depends on the individual, not all of us are brainwashed by modern society to think "time is money", to some of us, mined minerals are free !! ;)
Since they cost you nothing, please give them to me, I will pay 1 isk for what you mine in a day, as you can see this is a good deal, as it costs you nothing, and you end up with an extra 1 isk. It doesn't matter if your time is free, if your time produced something that is worth money, then you have that product for your time. That product is able to be sold for money, thus your time has become worth that money. If you sit docked in station while doing nothing but chatting then that time of yours really is free. It's the time you spend PRODUCING something that is always worth money. |
little sis
Amarr At Swords' Points
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Posted - 2008.08.20 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Clair Bear ISK you get by shooting rats is free. Minerals you mine are free. Datacores you get are free.
Can I haz ur free stuff?
nothing is free you spent the time to do it and risked your ship and pod. |
Govind
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:33:00 -
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Just thought I'd share my stance on battleship production. I do most of my missions out of a single station and over time accumulate a lot of loot. I'd probably make more money if I actually looked at the loot and decided what to place sell orders for but for me personally that is more tedious than I care to mess with. I can get a perfect refine at the station I'm at so I just melt everything down. I've been researching a Dominix BPO so that if based on local mineral prices it is more cost effective to build, fly, and sell a Dominix that I will have the ability to do so. The added benefit being that the next time I get a phone-call and forget to run my reppers I can just fabricate a new ship and get back in the game. Most things I do in EVE aren't fully optimized or even necessarily rational (the real objective is to have fun after all) but it is nice to be enterprising once in a while. |
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