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Nose Snot
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:15:00 -
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With all the stats Eve keeps, why is it so hard for Eve to have its own killboard updated automatically without the need for anyone to post a killmail?
I'm talking a legit Eve killboard, going back to the day this game was released to the public. Why can't there be a 100% legit kill/loss stat of every character?
I want an Eve Killboard... run by the devs... monitored by the devs... and auto-updated by the devs. Is Battleclinic THAT accurate? |
Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:22:00 -
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Not everyone wants there information on a killboard. Some of us avoid them, or limit what killmails we post, for a reason 
And, I don't see killboards as a necessary game function. Though it would be interesting if they released a 'capsuleer database' for ambulation that could do the same thing. I'd still ****ed if it was omnipotent, though. I don't want others knowing things about me unless I let them. I mean, some of us don't. Not me in particular.  |
Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:23:00 -
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Only if people get an option to not show their kills to others. (killmails provide a lot of intel about a specific person, that many would rather not share) |
Rhatar Khurin
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:24:00 -
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There's rather a lot of embarrassing killmails on this char and my alt i'd prefer not to show anyone lol. |
Takon Orlani
Caldari
Chaos Monkeys
Monkey Religion
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:28:00 -
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 Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
There's rather a lot of embarrassing killmails on this char and my alt i'd prefer not to show anyone lol.
This. |
Nose Snot
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:32:00 -
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we were all noobs at one point... what's there to be embarassed about? i'd even be happy just to see... kills, losses, isk killed, isk lost. |
Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:33:00 -
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A lot of folks have an issue about their losses. Whether it be Intel, embarrassment, e-peen, or they just do not like the competition.
I could care less. KB's can be fun and some aspects it is a very good tool to identify active pilots in your corp and build some healthy comp with in the corp.
I am sensing that you have some frustrations as to certain parties not posting their loss mails.
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:36:00 -
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I'm perfectly happy if my enemy posts all their kills and deaths on a killboard. That's just awesome. |
Nose Snot
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Farrqua
I am sensing that you have some frustrations as to certain parties not posting their loss mails.
Not exactly. It's fact that many parties never post losses. I've been known not to post anything if I felt I was killed by lag or desync. I'm just curious as to why CCP hasn't put out a complete accurate killboard chart. Something all other killboards could at least sync to. |
Paramite Pies
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Nose Snot
I'm just curious as to why CCP hasn't put out a complete accurate killboard chart. Something all other killboards could at least sync to.
Because it's a feature not really fit for EVE. |
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Nose Snot
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Paramite Pies
Because it's a feature not really fit for EVE.
It's a feature that is fit for players. If they don't want to utilize the syncing, they don't have to. |
Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.19 16:45:00 -
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I think it's probably best that they've left it up to the players, so that it's not a drain on their resources, and it's at least somewhat optional to players.
I personally hate killboards. I use them, don't get me wrong, but it's really annoying when you talk to a killboard cowboy. These guys are on the same page as EFT warriors and forum wh*res. They think killboard stats mean everything, when at BEST they are a very general approximation, and not even a good one.
Killboards don't explain the situation, they do little but act as an intel tool and provide players with a false sense of ability. Very rarely have I seen someone's killboard stats reflect how effective and knowledgeable a player they are. And let's not even get into the realm of those who contribute to fights without doing damage to the enemy directly. |
Farrqua
Minmatar
Turbo Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:03:00 -
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I agree Ruze that K/D ratio warriors live on the same plane as the EFT and SP disparity warriors. They are pretty much useless. And a pain in the ass to be around not to mention they have a hard time squeezing their self inflated head through the undock.
I have seen its use in OP recap reports as a handy tool. It fills in a good story . If you use it as a tool for your corp mates it can be invaluable. But an EvE sanctioned KB would create more issues than solve. And CAOD would be more intolerable than it is.
How ever for the FW guys it might be cool just to have a tally, not exactly "KillMails" and show loss gain achievements. I have no idea if have they anything like that or that would fit in their RP type of thing. |
Tiirae
The New Era
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:07:00 -
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Lol @ the morons trying to keep their uber fittings sekrit... HEY! THE GUY WHO KILLED YOU GETS A COPY AND HE CAN POST IT ANYWHERE HE WANTS TO!!!
Also, your fittings are arse and nobody cares anyway.
fer crying out loud, do people actually think like this? |
Nose Snot
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:15:00 -
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I understand there are killboard whroes and stat geeks, but if that is the way they want to play the game... why shouldn't they play that way? I could care less what anyone thinks about my kills or losses. I could care less who thinks killboards have meaning or not. If you enjoy seeing things a certain way... who is to say that is wrong? |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Avenging United
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:20:00 -
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CCP has never endorsed killboards. |
Alz Shado
Ever Flow
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:21:00 -
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Edited by: Alz Shado on 19/08/2008 17:21:26
The simple solution to staying out of killboards?
Don't Get Killed. |
Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Grarr Dexx
CCP has never endorsed killboards.
What's with the EVE API directly sending killmail information to killboards then? |
Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Avenging United
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:33:00 -
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That's people linking their API there, and killboards automatically parsing those killmails which are included in API information. The only thing that CCP endorses is the API, which can be used for any program, which does not mean CCP endorses that program. |
Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:39:00 -
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Yeah, CCP still leaves it as an option to link your API to a killboard. Just as they leave it an option to post your skills via API on websites and such.
They've taken a pretty standoffish approach. THEY don't give your information out, but they do allow you to do so if you want. Works for me.
I really like my privacy, and recognize intel as the powerful tool that it is. The less your enemy knows about you, often the better. Unless you are in control of that information flow, such as posting your own killmails, etc.
Sure, you can appear on someone elses mail, no problem. That's the bad part of losing your ship. Of course it's okay for them to have a record, then. But there's also the fact that many killboards are still run internally with a corp or an alliance, so your killmail isn't automatically broadcast to every Tom, D*ck and Harry.
I like the way it is. I like having a small level of control over how much other players know about me. Hell, if I could, I'd only allow other players to see my bio, not what corp I belong to, how long I've been there, and what corps I've been in. I think players should have MORE chances to limit what others see of them.
I'm the kind of player who doesn't even want you to know my NAME unless I tell you or you ask about it. But we seem to be a minority in video games  |
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
CCP has never endorsed killboards.
What's with the EVE API directly sending killmail information to killboards then?
Kills are only one of a small number of things that are spat out by the API system, people who code killboards adapted to take advantage of it.
As for the OP, the day we see an official CCP endorsed killboard is more than likely the day that I'll stop playing, and I've heard countless other people say the same.
Killboards were the worst thing to ever happen to Eve in my opinion, and have turned it into counterstrike in space.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.08.19 17:51:00 -
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If anything this information should be delayed for months, giving propaganda and morale its space to work before presenting people with after the fact cold hard facts. |
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:10:00 -
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Whats the problem with kill-boards? I have a personal one I use to *reflect* upon my past with. I rather like them. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:19:00 -
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IIRC some dev said that EVE does not need a scoreboard because it shift the focus of the game to something that is only a minor part of the game design.
Maybe someone can quote the dev or the dev can quote himself.  |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:26:00 -
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Killboards were a bad idea in the first place and the last thing we need is CCP making an offical e-peen kill board.
I always hated them but seeing as so many are automated (as in people posting losses or kills from me) I ended up having one and not knowing for ages 
I also dont like using out of game tools to run intel on enemys but I'll be damned if it isnt handy to look up a targets name on battleclinic and see what he likes to fit his ships with |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.19 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Originally by: Tamia Clant
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
CCP has never endorsed killboards.
What's with the EVE API directly sending killmail information to killboards then?
Kills are only one of a small number of things that are spat out by the API system, people who code killboards adapted to take advantage of it.
As for the OP, the day we see an official CCP endorsed killboard is more than likely the day that I'll stop playing, and I've heard countless other people say the same.
Killboards were the worst thing to ever happen to Eve in my opinion, and have turned it into counterstrike in space.
I'm suprise that you of all people would say this but: QUOTED FOR Mutha-Frackin TRUTH! |
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