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Dyvim Slorm Relentless Storm Cartel	Posted - 2008.08.22 16:08:00 - [61] I have to agree with the OP on this, the forums in the main have become a mess. Personally, I'd prefer to see some of the forums unmoderated (such as CAOD) as they clearly perform an important role for some players, but forums such as General Discussion really do need much tighter moderation.
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.22 16:43:00 - [62] Originally by: Evelgrivion Constructive commentary only. If the post does not contribute a point of conceivable value, it does not belong. And who decides if there is a point at all or one that is "conceivable"? You? Suffice to say this is a question of judgement on the part of the moderator. Apart from the problem that the moderator would need in depth knowledge about all topics discussed (which i believe pretty much no one can claim) it inevitably leads to bias. Moderators are humans and they are not free of biases. The more they need to engage in decisions based on content rather than violation of precise and unambiguous rules (as in do not pyramid quote or do not insult/abuse) the more people will feel treated unfairly. And some of them will actually be spot on with that - again inevitably. Imo its a big can of worms. An ignore function would do a lot and let people moderate the way they see things. This is eve where people take matters into their own hands. Why should you be babysitted in the forums then?
Rubra J. S. Bach In memoriam	Posted - 2008.08.22 18:28:00 - [63] These rules are draconian and too stringent. Honestly I think it's asking too much for people to be expected to follow them - heck knows the mods can't supervise everything. Also poast count +1 <3
Removal Tool Vogon Deconstruction Fleet	Posted - 2008.08.22 19:40:00 - [64] My Sig is my response.
GateScout	Posted - 2008.08.22 21:32:00 - [65] Yes. These forums need a serious smack-down. If CCP was interested in retaining newer players, they would send a fleet of mods in here to start banning the intellectually deficient trolls, whiners and "LooK! I'm posting on the internet" folks.
Spoony	Posted - 2008.08.22 22:35:00 - [66] Nah you guys are being far too serious, let the rules stand as they are. They allow for seriousness, as well as the ocasional comedy thread, its a game guys and the silly posts remind us of that :)
Angelice Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.22 23:57:00 - [67] Perhaps a simple and more entertaining way to moderate the forums would be to introduce post ratings. If you like a post give it a thumbs up, if not a thumbs down. The more a person posts the more their posts will be rated and will land said person on a scale somewhere between "Vacuous troll" and "Speaker for the people". Add to this a facility to filter threads by posts with people above a certain threshold and hey presto, you have a shiny clean forum while still allowing the rabble to carry on out of sight. Angelice Infinity Enterprises "To see the right and not to do it is cowardice." - Confucius
Pnandor	Posted - 2008.08.23 02:28:00 - [68] Originally by: Angelice Perhaps a simple and more entertaining way to moderate the forums would be to introduce post ratings. If you like a post give it a thumbs up, if not a thumbs down. The more a person posts the more their posts will be rated and will land said person on a scale somewhere between "Vacuous troll" and "Speaker for the people". Add to this a facility to filter threads by posts with people above a certain threshold and hey presto, you have a shiny clean forum while still allowing the rabble to carry on out of sight. I hope it works when someone perhaps has 100 members nest come themselves in same carry out
diabolic clone Amarr Anomaly Collective	Posted - 2008.08.29 12:39:00 - [69] I can't wait till stuff like this becomes common on forums. How do you like that cheeseburger?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.29 12:58:00 - [70] Disagree completely. One line/word responses are due to threads which don't deserve anything more, and due to the same whines etc being posted over and over again. Over time the responses are eroded down into the most efficient form possible. Your suggestion is to moderate the symptom rather than the problem. You want to nerf Forum PvP? Add a sage option, so people who just want to point out that the OP is an idiot can do so without having to bump the thread, then at least these threads would disappear faster. All that will happen if these suggestions are implemented is that people coming to the forums will find, rather than idiotic whines being shot down by witty comments, idiotic whines being discussed as if they actually make sense. This doesn't even address the fact that rather than being imposed by some invasion by aliens or something, this form of posting is a product of the EVE-O Fora itself, and thus is simply how people choose to communicate their opinions. There is no effective difference between "While I respect that you may wish to engage in consequence free PvP anywhere within the game, I believe that removing CONCORD would be a negative move for the game for reasons outlined in the following 53 item bullet point list" and "Shut The **** Up", because everyone here knows what you would have said and knows that the OP is a troll anyway. Obviously there are sections of the forum which need different kinds of moderation, the sections which are intended to be serious discussion of game mechanics and such should have rules vaguely like these applied, but sections like (for instance) GD which exist solely to group everything which doesn't belong anywhere else do not need it. - DesuSigs

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.29 12:59:00 - [71] Originally by: Angelice Perhaps a simple and more entertaining way to moderate the forums would be to introduce post ratings. If you like a post give it a thumbs up, if not a thumbs down. The more a person posts the more their posts will be rated and will land said person on a scale somewhere between "Vacuous troll" and "Speaker for the people". Add to this a facility to filter threads by posts with people above a certain threshold and hey presto, you have a shiny clean forum while still allowing the rabble to carry on out of sight. +5 Interesting - DesuSigs
Winterblink Body Count Inc. The Requiem	Posted - 2008.08.29 13:03:00 - [72] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Angelice Perhaps a simple and more entertaining way to moderate the forums would be to introduce post ratings. If you like a post give it a thumbs up, if not a thumbs down. The more a person posts the more their posts will be rated and will land said person on a scale somewhere between "Vacuous troll" and "Speaker for the people". Add to this a facility to filter threads by posts with people above a certain threshold and hey presto, you have a shiny clean forum while still allowing the rabble to carry on out of sight. +5 Interesting It's perhaps not the best idea when you consider how large groups of players can work together to vote something up into the stratosphere and down into oblivion. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Bartholomeus Crane Gallente The Crane Family	Posted - 2008.08.29 13:06:00 - [73] I put on my robe and wizard hat ... -- Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.29 13:09:00 - [74] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Angelice Perhaps a simple and more entertaining way to moderate the forums would be to introduce post ratings. If you like a post give it a thumbs up, if not a thumbs down. The more a person posts the more their posts will be rated and will land said person on a scale somewhere between "Vacuous troll" and "Speaker for the people". Add to this a facility to filter threads by posts with people above a certain threshold and hey presto, you have a shiny clean forum while still allowing the rabble to carry on out of sight. +5 Interesting It's perhaps not the best idea when you consider how large groups of players can work together to vote something up into the stratosphere and down into oblivion. +5 Insightful I could get used to this It's not such a problem if it is rating people though. Make a person's rating their average rating, not their aggregate rating, and people would have to fakerate lots of posts to significantly alter the person's rating. And the prime targets for fakerating would be well-known posters, who would have many more posts than most, making this fakery even harder in their case. Nonetheless, I would consider this to be unworkable in practice. Nice idea though. - DesuSigs
Xevan Templar 7th Batavian Squadron	Posted - 2008.08.29 14:35:00 - [75] Originally by: Angelice Perhaps a simple and more entertaining way to moderate the forums would be to introduce post ratings. If you like a post give it a thumbs up, if not a thumbs down. The more a person posts the more their posts will be rated and will land said person on a scale somewhere between "Vacuous troll" and "Speaker for the people". Add to this a facility to filter threads by posts with people above a certain threshold and hey presto, you have a shiny clean forum while still allowing the rabble to carry on out of sight. We had that on the players forum of server-x- of 'the game that will not be mentioned', and at first it worked...... to the point where a couple of friends decided 'it was cool' to bump each other to insane 'posi-votes' while randomly (or just to grief somebody) nega-voting people. It was removed after that. tbh there will always be a part of the forum population who will try to mess things up. It's a good idea, but it will not work.
NeoTheo Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.29 14:38:00 - [76] yes yes, ban the idiots... (not sure i would be able to post tho). Neotheo Dark Materials Linkage
Seeing EyeDog	Posted - 2008.08.29 14:47:00 - [77] Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 20/08/2008 18:35:05 The quality of the Eve Online forums hasn't been notable for being a particularly enlightened web community lately. To combat this, I would like to see the following rules added, and enforced. Old: No one sentence replies or quips, regardless of how witty you think they are. Revised #1: No half sentence replies or quips. Constructive commentary only. If the post does not contribute a point of conceivable value, it does not belong. Your forum account will be suspended for a week with your second offense. Though this may be akin to asking a shark if you're bleeding, do you think that CCP should add these, or other rules, and enforce them with harsher penalties? your initial "threadnaught" about CCP policy failed miserably, I don't see this one being much of a success either...stop posting. _____________________ Originally by: Locus Bey Intelligence isn't a prequisite for being a Goon, in fact its a deficit.
Benco97 Gallente The Star League	Posted - 2008.08.29 15:22:00 - [78] Forum bans are common enough as they are for some of us! ..obviously not me.. I've never been banned.. nope..
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations United Front Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.29 17:38:00 - [79] Originally by: Benco97 Forum bans are common enough as they are for some of us! ..obviously not me.. I've never been banned.. nope.. Kind of obvious since "trolling" is a warn- and therefore bannable offense. (Not like trolling is whatever the mod says it is anyway...) --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes.
Riddick Valer	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:09:00 - [80] If an account receives 2 warnings in 6 months, or 3 in a 1 year period the forum ban should be extended to in-game. Any chars on that account have skill training frozen and receive a 2 week in-game ban.

Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:12:00 - [81] You should be able to POD people using the forums. Witty retort critically strikes troll, wrecking for 31,971 SP damage. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.08.30 00:26:00 - [82] Originally by: Akita T You should be able to POD people using the forums. Witty retort critically strikes troll, wrecking for 31,971 SP damage. only 30k SP? I'd upgrade to T2 or faction.
Ashlee Darksky Minmatar Forum Insurgency	Posted - 2008.08.30 01:45:00 - [83] Forums without trolls would be like EVE without Goons - technically a better place, but somewhat different in reality. I think the OP is being a little over the top. Forums are a place for people to interact with each other outside of the game - because we can't all interact face to face now can we. People interact differently IRL so why should everyone conform to a set stricture just because they're on a forum? Oh thats right, I forgot, he works for BoB..... Besides, I actually find some of the one liners, trolls, etc very funny --- > I see fail everywhere, and it's like they don't even know they're failing > Bring me the heads of 10 carebears, 5 bottles of BBQ sauce, firewood and a box of matches!
Blood Daemon Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.08.30 01:51:00 - [84] Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 20/08/2008 18:35:05 The quality of the Eve Online forums hasn't been notable for being a particularly enlightened web community lately. To combat this, I would like to see the following rules added, and enforced. Old: No one sentence replies or quips, regardless of how witty you think they are. Revised #1: No half sentence replies or quips. Constructive commentary only. If the post does not contribute a point of conceivable value, it does not belong. Your forum account will be suspended for a week with your second offense. Though this may be akin to asking a shark if you're bleeding, do you think that CCP should add these, or other rules, and enforce them with harsher penalties? Yes
hall monitor	Posted - 2008.08.30 02:54:00 - [85] No.
5pinDizzy Amarr Umpteenth Podding	Posted - 2008.08.30 02:57:00 - [86] Wow, this thread still going strong? I looked for about 10 seconds other day, said to myself "OP is a killjoy" and moved on.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2008.08.30 03:40:00 - [87] Originally by: Crumplecorn this form of posting is a product of the EVE-O Fora itself Pretentious, moi? If you simply must use fora at least have the linguistic decency to maintain subject pronoun agreement. (Fora:themselves. Forum:itself.)
Naomi Halloran Industry Breakthrough	Posted - 2008.08.30 03:54:00 - [88] There's been more than enough useless posts in this thread to prove that something needs to be done about it. I don't need to say anything more. --- "Sarcasm is just another free service I offer. If something I said offends you... good, it was meant to."
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.30 03:57:00 - [89] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: Crumplecorn this form of posting is a product of the EVE-O Fora itself Pretentious, moi? If you simply must use fora at least have the linguistic decency to maintain subject pronoun agreement. (Fora:themselves. Forum:itself.) I noticed that disagreement, but I was referring to the Fora as a unit rather than a bunch of separate things, so I didn't bother changing it. - DesuSigs

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