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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:35:00 -
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Holy crap! 10,000 plex are on perma banned accounts. I really hope CCP can recycle them. |
Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:37:00 -
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[Citation Needed] |
Gank'aho
One within we are
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:38:00 -
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It was mentioned in fanfest - economy. Confirmed |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
103
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:39:00 -
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Minmat Sebtin wrote:[Citation Needed]
It was just broadcasted through Eve TV's live stream by Dr. E. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
103
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:40:00 -
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I think that this really puts my mind at ease about how CCP could add stability to the eve market. If prices just spike like an erection, then they can just pull from this pool. |
RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
180
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:41:00 -
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that's what Dr E said .... ooo http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
400
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:46:00 -
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This was SOOOOOO revealing. Glad they are going to be "adjusting" that Market.
Dr. Eggnog confirms that market WAS manipulated.
Makes one sick to think about how they got those PLEX OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
104
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:49:00 -
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Honestly, when they hinted very quietly about regulating, I was thinking they were going to hardcap the plex price to be xxx million isk and you can't go higher. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
400
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:51:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Honestly, when they hinted very quietly about regulating, I was thinking they were going to hardcap the plex price to be xxx million isk and you can't go higher.
Change the Title. "10,000 PLEX" means nothing and this thread will die. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Gank'aho
One within we are
4
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This was SOOOOOO revealing. Glad they are going to be "adjusting" that Market. Dr. Eggnog confirms that market WAS manipulated. Makes one sick to think about how they got those PLEX
He didn't confirm it was manipulated, only stated that its possible, still interesting though. |
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
104
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:53:00 -
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You guys think they'll dump them all at once? Or just slowly use them? |
Gank'aho
One within we are
4
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:55:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:You guys think they'll dump them all at once? Or just slowly use them?
IF they do, it will be slow, you wont see em all flood the market in a day, only 2,500 are traded daily, so in theory doubling it would halve prices, and not be able to sustain the market, in a few days it would be normal again. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
765
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:57:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Honestly, when they hinted very quietly about regulating, I was thinking they were going to hardcap the plex price to be xxx million isk and you can't go higher.
The least damaging option for CCP would be to simply offer more multi-PLEX packs for cheaper then the normal 35USD/2 (17.50USD) price. If they're serious about it, they should drive the per-PLEX price in those larger packs down below 15USD each. Increase supply will lead to lower prices and provides competition even in the face of market manipulation.
He also said that the PLEX market has not yet reached equilibrium and that there is no specific price target. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
100
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:59:00 -
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hahaha... goons lost 10,000 plex |
Gank'aho
One within we are
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:03:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:Honestly, when they hinted very quietly about regulating, I was thinking they were going to hardcap the plex price to be xxx million isk and you can't go higher. The least damaging option for CCP would be to simply offer more multi-PLEX packs for cheaper then the normal 35USD/2 (17.50USD) price. If they're serious about it, they should drive the per-PLEX price in those larger packs down below 15USD each. Increase supply will lead to lower prices and provides competition even in the face of market manipulation. He also said that the PLEX market has not yet reached equilibrium and that there is no specific price target.
I agree, however, this hurts CCP long term, because if prices return to normal it will instantly create overpriced plex, again. Thats what I doubt we will see them lower the dollar cost to plex. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
400
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:03:00 -
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Gank'aho wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This was SOOOOOO revealing. Glad they are going to be "adjusting" that Market. Dr. Eggnog confirms that market WAS manipulated. Makes one sick to think about how they got those PLEX He didn't confirm it was manipulated, only stated that its possible, still interesting though.
On that point then this thread is MOOT; ..................as the key-word, if YOU want exactitude, is that they MAY do something about the 10,000 PLEX or not.
Therefore they will do nothing, right ?
Geez, learn to read between the lines and that CCP will NEVER say exactly what they are going to do as folks will immediately counter it. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
400
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:05:00 -
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Gank'aho wrote:
I agree, however, this hurts CCP long term, because if prices return to normal it will instantly create overpriced plex, again. Thats what I doubt we will see them lower the dollar cost to plex.
The point is to lower ISK cost to PLEX, not dollar.
Dr. Eggnog CLEARLY stated they want more 'affordable by ISK' PLEX. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
407
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:05:00 -
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Probably will release them on the market as certain levels are reached. I doubt they will dump them on the market all at once.
If they use this as a reserve to cap the market though, what are they going to do when they run out of banned plex? Maybe that reserve fills it self?
Save a plex, report a bot. |
Gank'aho
One within we are
5
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gank'aho wrote:
I agree, however, this hurts CCP long term, because if prices return to normal it will instantly create overpriced plex, again. Thats what I doubt we will see them lower the dollar cost to plex.
The point is to lower ISK cost to PLEX, not dollar. Dr. Eggnog CLEARLY stated they want more 'affordable by ISK' PLEX.
No arguement here, but CCP is here to make money, so reducing plex RL costs means less money for CCP per plex. I know it means lower isk cost, but CCP is here for REAL money. I should state I was refering to the post on the reduce USD amount to sell more plex. |
Savage Creampuff
Ion Corp. Citex Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:26:00 -
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time to sell then? time to buy? all i know is my minerals are free |
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
462
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:54:00 -
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hmm.... we already had that discussion
Alain Kinsella wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Rasz Linlower wrote:the price how? by making plex scarce? ... by having stocked up on PLEX yesteryear there are times when you can buy without increasing prices significantly and there are times when you can crash a market by selling relatively small quantities. If CCP were modern bankers they would just borrow some PLEX from stocks on inactive accounts, sell them and pledge to replace them once prices are lower. edit: actually I like this idea a lot - allow EyjoG to spawn PLEXes from nothing up to the amount of PLEX items on inactive/unsubscribed accounts (minus safety margin). He can sell these to lower PLEX prices and he can buy back PLEX from the market to increase his room for further manipulations. If the net number of PLEX on inactive accounts decreases and he had fully utilized his allowance before he has to destroy PLEX to get back within his allowance. If the net number of PLEX on inactive accounts increases he gets the right spawn more PLEX. If he gets caught on the wrong side of the market and lacks the ISK to buy back PLEXes he can apply for the permission to create some ISK to get back within the allowance (offering in-depth explanation/justification of his failure and hopefully receiving a stern talk by his superior). This would give EyjoG room for operation without increasing CCP's "real" liabilities. I believe I mentioned in another thread that PLEX in permabanned (or any banned) accounts could also be fair game. That would give them a decent starting supply, and once the account(s) established they can just go back and forth per an earlier post. http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1526384&page=2#59 |
Lucinda Hamu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:03:00 -
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Why not just destroy them and keep everything as is? |
Steve Celeste
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
237
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:10:00 -
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CCP can just spawn PLEX at will, so I doubt they care about "recycling" PLEX that are stuck on banned accounts. I would consider them destroyed. |
Jarnis McPieksu
368
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:18:00 -
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Steve Celeste wrote:CCP can just spawn PLEX at will, so I doubt they care about "recycling" PLEX that are stuck on banned accounts. I would consider them destroyed.
They actually can't, not without major consequences to the economic system.
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David Forge
Forge Enterprises
92
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:30:00 -
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Not to mention that each spawned PLEX is gametime that nobody paid for and costs CCP money. |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:47:00 -
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nm, misread the post... caffiene deprivation induced dyslexia FTL |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
104
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:04:00 -
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David Forge wrote:Not to mention that each spawned PLEX is gametime that nobody paid for and costs CCP money.
People already paid for them! They are just never going to get used cause of the perma ban. |
Claire Voyant
102
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:36:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:David Forge wrote:Not to mention that each spawned PLEX is gametime that nobody paid for and costs CCP money. People already paid for them! They are just never going to get used cause of the perma ban. I think it is important to remember that all those PLEX were bought by ordinary players for real-life cash, and then sold on the market for isk. Someone involved in RMT bought them for money laundering reasons or for sale to an isk purchaser. Taking them out of the game permanently means that those PLEX will never be used by another ordinary player. Banning people involved in RMT should not really effect the legitimate PLEX market in that way.
I think Dr. E sees the dilemma he has. If he sells the PLEX on the market it will make an isk sink, but it will reduce the potential revenue of CCP. If he doesn't sell them, then it drives up the price of PLEX above the level that would ordinarily be produced by normal supply and demand.
I think he will go for a win-win solution and just stick with this announcement that these PLEX exist and leave on the table the idea that he might sell them at some point in the future if prices get too high. Just like he did last year when he mentioned the idea of the "Eve Central Bank" buying up PLEX when prices got to low.
My guess is that he won't act in either direction unless the price of PLEX becomes a "crisis" in one way or another.
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David Forge
Forge Enterprises
92
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:46:00 -
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I am referring to spawned ISK as opposed to those taken from these accounts. Perhaps I misunderstood what Steve Celeste was saying? |
Steve Celeste
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
237
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:50:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Steve Celeste wrote:CCP can just spawn PLEX at will, so I doubt they care about "recycling" PLEX that are stuck on banned accounts. I would consider them destroyed. They actually can't, not without major consequences to the economic system. They can and they did.
Remember those 2 plex that were rewarded to the guys that killed a GM and looted an enigma? Do you really think they bought those 2 plex?
They just pushed a button and spawned them ingame.
That does not mean that I agree with that process, it could indeed have economic consequences, and I hope that internal affairs was looking over their shoulders as they were doing that....
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