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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:35:00 -
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Holy crap! 10,000 plex are on perma banned accounts. I really hope CCP can recycle them. |
Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
4
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:37:00 -
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[Citation Needed] |
Gank'aho
One within we are
3
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:38:00 -
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It was mentioned in fanfest - economy. Confirmed |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
103
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:39:00 -
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Minmat Sebtin wrote:[Citation Needed]
It was just broadcasted through Eve TV's live stream by Dr. E. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
103
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:40:00 -
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I think that this really puts my mind at ease about how CCP could add stability to the eve market. If prices just spike like an erection, then they can just pull from this pool. |
RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
180
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:41:00 -
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that's what Dr E said .... ooo http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png
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Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
400
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:46:00 -
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This was SOOOOOO revealing. Glad they are going to be "adjusting" that Market.
Dr. Eggnog confirms that market WAS manipulated.
Makes one sick to think about how they got those PLEX OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
104
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:49:00 -
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Honestly, when they hinted very quietly about regulating, I was thinking they were going to hardcap the plex price to be xxx million isk and you can't go higher. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
400
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:51:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Honestly, when they hinted very quietly about regulating, I was thinking they were going to hardcap the plex price to be xxx million isk and you can't go higher.
Change the Title. "10,000 PLEX" means nothing and this thread will die. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Gank'aho
One within we are
4
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This was SOOOOOO revealing. Glad they are going to be "adjusting" that Market. Dr. Eggnog confirms that market WAS manipulated. Makes one sick to think about how they got those PLEX
He didn't confirm it was manipulated, only stated that its possible, still interesting though. |
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
104
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:53:00 -
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You guys think they'll dump them all at once? Or just slowly use them? |
Gank'aho
One within we are
4
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:55:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:You guys think they'll dump them all at once? Or just slowly use them?
IF they do, it will be slow, you wont see em all flood the market in a day, only 2,500 are traded daily, so in theory doubling it would halve prices, and not be able to sustain the market, in a few days it would be normal again. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
765
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:57:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Honestly, when they hinted very quietly about regulating, I was thinking they were going to hardcap the plex price to be xxx million isk and you can't go higher.
The least damaging option for CCP would be to simply offer more multi-PLEX packs for cheaper then the normal 35USD/2 (17.50USD) price. If they're serious about it, they should drive the per-PLEX price in those larger packs down below 15USD each. Increase supply will lead to lower prices and provides competition even in the face of market manipulation.
He also said that the PLEX market has not yet reached equilibrium and that there is no specific price target. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
100
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Posted - 2012.03.23 10:59:00 -
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hahaha... goons lost 10,000 plex |
Gank'aho
One within we are
5
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:03:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:Honestly, when they hinted very quietly about regulating, I was thinking they were going to hardcap the plex price to be xxx million isk and you can't go higher. The least damaging option for CCP would be to simply offer more multi-PLEX packs for cheaper then the normal 35USD/2 (17.50USD) price. If they're serious about it, they should drive the per-PLEX price in those larger packs down below 15USD each. Increase supply will lead to lower prices and provides competition even in the face of market manipulation. He also said that the PLEX market has not yet reached equilibrium and that there is no specific price target.
I agree, however, this hurts CCP long term, because if prices return to normal it will instantly create overpriced plex, again. Thats what I doubt we will see them lower the dollar cost to plex. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
400
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:03:00 -
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Gank'aho wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This was SOOOOOO revealing. Glad they are going to be "adjusting" that Market. Dr. Eggnog confirms that market WAS manipulated. Makes one sick to think about how they got those PLEX He didn't confirm it was manipulated, only stated that its possible, still interesting though.
On that point then this thread is MOOT; ..................as the key-word, if YOU want exactitude, is that they MAY do something about the 10,000 PLEX or not.
Therefore they will do nothing, right ?
Geez, learn to read between the lines and that CCP will NEVER say exactly what they are going to do as folks will immediately counter it. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd
400
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:05:00 -
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Gank'aho wrote:
I agree, however, this hurts CCP long term, because if prices return to normal it will instantly create overpriced plex, again. Thats what I doubt we will see them lower the dollar cost to plex.
The point is to lower ISK cost to PLEX, not dollar.
Dr. Eggnog CLEARLY stated they want more 'affordable by ISK' PLEX. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
407
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:05:00 -
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Probably will release them on the market as certain levels are reached. I doubt they will dump them on the market all at once.
If they use this as a reserve to cap the market though, what are they going to do when they run out of banned plex? Maybe that reserve fills it self?
Save a plex, report a bot. |
Gank'aho
One within we are
5
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Gank'aho wrote:
I agree, however, this hurts CCP long term, because if prices return to normal it will instantly create overpriced plex, again. Thats what I doubt we will see them lower the dollar cost to plex.
The point is to lower ISK cost to PLEX, not dollar. Dr. Eggnog CLEARLY stated they want more 'affordable by ISK' PLEX.
No arguement here, but CCP is here to make money, so reducing plex RL costs means less money for CCP per plex. I know it means lower isk cost, but CCP is here for REAL money. I should state I was refering to the post on the reduce USD amount to sell more plex. |
Savage Creampuff
Ion Corp. Citex Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:26:00 -
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time to sell then? time to buy? all i know is my minerals are free |
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Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
462
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Posted - 2012.03.23 11:54:00 -
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hmm.... we already had that discussion
Alain Kinsella wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Rasz Linlower wrote:the price how? by making plex scarce? ... by having stocked up on PLEX yesteryear there are times when you can buy without increasing prices significantly and there are times when you can crash a market by selling relatively small quantities. If CCP were modern bankers they would just borrow some PLEX from stocks on inactive accounts, sell them and pledge to replace them once prices are lower. edit: actually I like this idea a lot - allow EyjoG to spawn PLEXes from nothing up to the amount of PLEX items on inactive/unsubscribed accounts (minus safety margin). He can sell these to lower PLEX prices and he can buy back PLEX from the market to increase his room for further manipulations. If the net number of PLEX on inactive accounts decreases and he had fully utilized his allowance before he has to destroy PLEX to get back within his allowance. If the net number of PLEX on inactive accounts increases he gets the right spawn more PLEX. If he gets caught on the wrong side of the market and lacks the ISK to buy back PLEXes he can apply for the permission to create some ISK to get back within the allowance (offering in-depth explanation/justification of his failure and hopefully receiving a stern talk by his superior). This would give EyjoG room for operation without increasing CCP's "real" liabilities. I believe I mentioned in another thread that PLEX in permabanned (or any banned) accounts could also be fair game. That would give them a decent starting supply, and once the account(s) established they can just go back and forth per an earlier post. http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1526384&page=2#59 |
Lucinda Hamu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:03:00 -
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Why not just destroy them and keep everything as is? |
Steve Celeste
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
237
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:10:00 -
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CCP can just spawn PLEX at will, so I doubt they care about "recycling" PLEX that are stuck on banned accounts. I would consider them destroyed. |
Jarnis McPieksu
368
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:18:00 -
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Steve Celeste wrote:CCP can just spawn PLEX at will, so I doubt they care about "recycling" PLEX that are stuck on banned accounts. I would consider them destroyed.
They actually can't, not without major consequences to the economic system.
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David Forge
Forge Enterprises
92
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:30:00 -
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Not to mention that each spawned PLEX is gametime that nobody paid for and costs CCP money. |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
22
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:47:00 -
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nm, misread the post... caffiene deprivation induced dyslexia FTL |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
104
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:04:00 -
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David Forge wrote:Not to mention that each spawned PLEX is gametime that nobody paid for and costs CCP money.
People already paid for them! They are just never going to get used cause of the perma ban. |
Claire Voyant
102
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:36:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:David Forge wrote:Not to mention that each spawned PLEX is gametime that nobody paid for and costs CCP money. People already paid for them! They are just never going to get used cause of the perma ban. I think it is important to remember that all those PLEX were bought by ordinary players for real-life cash, and then sold on the market for isk. Someone involved in RMT bought them for money laundering reasons or for sale to an isk purchaser. Taking them out of the game permanently means that those PLEX will never be used by another ordinary player. Banning people involved in RMT should not really effect the legitimate PLEX market in that way.
I think Dr. E sees the dilemma he has. If he sells the PLEX on the market it will make an isk sink, but it will reduce the potential revenue of CCP. If he doesn't sell them, then it drives up the price of PLEX above the level that would ordinarily be produced by normal supply and demand.
I think he will go for a win-win solution and just stick with this announcement that these PLEX exist and leave on the table the idea that he might sell them at some point in the future if prices get too high. Just like he did last year when he mentioned the idea of the "Eve Central Bank" buying up PLEX when prices got to low.
My guess is that he won't act in either direction unless the price of PLEX becomes a "crisis" in one way or another.
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David Forge
Forge Enterprises
92
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:46:00 -
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I am referring to spawned ISK as opposed to those taken from these accounts. Perhaps I misunderstood what Steve Celeste was saying? |
Steve Celeste
Nex Exercitus Raiden.
237
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:50:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Steve Celeste wrote:CCP can just spawn PLEX at will, so I doubt they care about "recycling" PLEX that are stuck on banned accounts. I would consider them destroyed. They actually can't, not without major consequences to the economic system. They can and they did.
Remember those 2 plex that were rewarded to the guys that killed a GM and looted an enigma? Do you really think they bought those 2 plex?
They just pushed a button and spawned them ingame.
That does not mean that I agree with that process, it could indeed have economic consequences, and I hope that internal affairs was looking over their shoulders as they were doing that....
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Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
196
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:53:00 -
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I don't get at all the point of this thread. If there's a problem with destroying these PLEX (and there isn't), then leave them on the banned accounts till the heat death of the universe. To elaborate a little on my aside, there's no issue with destroying PLEX that aren't on playable accounts. They're out of the system and anything done with them, that keeps them out of the system is irrelevant to us. CCP just got itself roughly $150k of money without having to extend a single account.
In fact, pulling a PLEX from such an account and selling to the market is much like creating one and selling it. The only difference is that in the former case there is a sort of cap on how many you can thus sell. It's worth noting here, that if CCP starts selling PLEX in this way, then it's going to be impossible to distinguish PLEX from banned accounts from created PLEX. No offense to CCP, but if they really are proposing to sell PLEX from perma-banned accounts, then they could just as well be selling PLEX created from thin air. This opens a box that I think we really ought to be careful about opening.
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Claire Voyant
103
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:52:00 -
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It is very simple. They were put into the game through legitimate player action. They were removed from the game by CCP's actions. Since the banned players had intended on reselling the PLEX, removing them from the game has an effect on the PLEX market.
Unlike everything else in Eve, PLEX are not created in game. They are created by real people making a real-life purchase through an out-of-game process. If they were destroyed by player action (e.g. destroyed in cargo) that would be one thing, but removing them from the game hurts players who need to buy those PLEX to pay for their subscriptions.
If you are sitting on a large pile of PLEX you may feel differently, but CCP needs to be very careful about what they do with PLEX. I applaud their honesty in this regard. I seem to recall some mention of this in the CSM minutes, and if so I thank the CSM for holding their feet to the fire. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
409
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:03:00 -
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As he stated the process will be rather open and information will be released in a timely manner. I doubt anyone will be hit with any terrible surprises. On that note of disclosure, I'm not involved in the PLEX market, I subscribe by the year, so I don't have any horses in this market.
I would caution expecting much price rise. The moral suasion, as Claire hinted will have an impact and 10,000 PLEX to cap the market at whatever level they decide is good, isn't something to be ignored. There's only one place that asset can go, on the market. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
410
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:08:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Probably will release them on the market as certain levels are reached. I doubt they will dump them on the market all at once.
What happened in the period between Jan 18 and Feb 9 is compatible with an "experimental" slow banned accounts PLEX release into the market.
In order to see actual ECB action we should have BOJ or SCB alike scenarios, where price is steadily trending up / down and the interventions are visible like a slap in face.
The Jan 18 reaction is indeed odd, as an upswing got "shaved". Yet it's not a tangible proof, it could just be the market deciding BRN 500 was the equilibrium for that time. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
765
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:38:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote: I would caution expecting much price rise. The moral suasion, as Claire hinted will have an impact and 10,000 PLEX to cap the market at whatever level they decide is good, isn't something to be ignored. There's only one place that asset can go, on the market.
10k sounds like a lot - but how many people bought the HD stream? The number I heard (while not paying strict attention) was about 5000 people ponied up a PLEX to watch the stream?
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
409
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:02:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:10k sounds like a lot - but how many people bought the HD stream? The number I heard (while not paying strict attention) was about 5000 people ponied up a PLEX to watch the stream?
That's the number given in the presentation. As for the HD, I don't know. Might be a mention in events and gatherings forum . |
Tasko Pal
Spallated Garniferous Schist
196
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Posted - 2012.03.24 00:58:00 -
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Claire Voyant wrote:It is very simple. They were put into the game through legitimate player action. They were removed from the game by CCP's actions. Since the banned players had intended on reselling the PLEX, removing them from the game has an effect on the PLEX market.
And the banned holders of those PLEX probably obtained the PLEX through extensive botting. Even though your observations are correct, I don't think it's a good idea for CCP to be selling PLEX under these circumstances. Keep in mind that they'll probably will hold onto this PLEX longer than the market disturbance from banning these players will last.
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
107
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Posted - 2012.03.24 01:00:00 -
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Tasko Pal wrote:Claire Voyant wrote:It is very simple. They were put into the game through legitimate player action. They were removed from the game by CCP's actions. Since the banned players had intended on reselling the PLEX, removing them from the game has an effect on the PLEX market. And the banned holders of those PLEX probably obtained the PLEX through extensive botting. Even though your observations are correct, I don't think it's a good idea for CCP to be selling PLEX under these circumstances. Keep in mind that they'll probably will hold onto this PLEX longer than the market disturbance from banning these players will last.
Well, wouldn't the fact that the isk is already running around meant that CCP selling them would take the equivalent isk out of the market? The fact that, say CCP Grayscale, would sell them would mean that xxx million isk is given to CCP and then the isk would be out of the market. |
Tebb1288
Ion Corp. Citex Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:18:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote: I would caution expecting much price rise. The moral suasion, as Claire hinted will have an impact and 10,000 PLEX to cap the market at whatever level they decide is good, isn't something to be ignored. There's only one place that asset can go, on the market.
10k sounds like a lot - but how many people bought the HD stream? The number I heard (while not paying strict attention) was about 5000 people ponied up a PLEX to watch the stream?
5000 PLEX or so may have been spent on the HD package, but there were quite a few innovated people who were purchasing the stream, selling the ship and shirt, and using the profit off of that to purchase another stream, sell, repeat. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
766
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Posted - 2012.03.24 04:26:00 -
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Tebb1288 wrote: 5000 PLEX or so may have been spent on the HD package, but there were quite a few innovated people who were purchasing the stream, selling the ship and shirt, and using the profit off of that to purchase another stream, sell, repeat.
Which is a heck of a lot of PLEX leaving the game forever in a short period of time.
Demand > Supply = Prices Rise in EVE
The 10k PLEX held by CCP now (consider it "seized assets") would allow them to remove about 4-5 trillion ISK from the economy as an ISK sink. Which may not be a bad goal. |
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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
143
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Posted - 2012.03.24 05:12:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:Tebb1288 wrote: 5000 PLEX or so may have been spent on the HD package, but there were quite a few innovated people who were purchasing the stream, selling the ship and shirt, and using the profit off of that to purchase another stream, sell, repeat.
Which is a heck of a lot of PLEX leaving the game forever in a short period of time. Demand > Supply = Prices Rise in EVE The 10k PLEX held by CCP now (consider it "seized assets") would allow them to remove about 4-5 trillion ISK from the economy as an ISK sink. Which may not be a bad goal.
You're right about the first part (these PLEXes will never see the market, so PLEX supply should seem lower for a while), but there is no isk sink involved with this.
Assuming these PLEX would have otherwise been sold (and they wouldn't, they would power up thousands of new bot accounts), it simple means a transfer of isk from player 1 -> player 2, which is not destroying any isk (an isk sink).
In the end, this will probably have zero impact in the PLEX market. These PLEXes were meant to give time to new bot accounts and keep bot accounts active, and they were already effectively removed from the economy at large. The only clear conclusion to make is less bots active == less demand for PLEX (bots use PLEX). |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
766
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Posted - 2012.03.24 05:30:00 -
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mechtech wrote: You're right about the first part (these PLEXes will never see the market, so PLEX supply should seem lower for a while), but there is no isk sink involved with this.
This would be one of the rare cases where the transfer of a PLEX to another player is an ISK sink - because the ISK used in the transaction is flowing into CCP's hands. Once it lands in CCP's wallet, I don't see them going out and buying other things with the ISK, so the ISK does leave the economy forever.
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2012.03.24 06:35:00 -
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If I am correct in my space accounting information, CCP will be getting a $15 x 10,000 = $150,000 boost in revenue/gain without providing any services in exchange for these banned PLEXs. This money could be used for a cool event for the loyal players or donated to charity instead of a new yacht for the CEOs imo. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
170
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Posted - 2012.03.24 08:29:00 -
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In most cases, players that buy PLEX for real money will either sell them or use them, in that they are unlikely to bot. Botting players buy their PLEX off the market for ISK. Therefore the paying players DID receive their service. While it's possible a few retail PLEX buyers have been banned for other things they are likely to be a tiny minority.
I don't think those PLEX will ever be used by Dr E. they will stay on the banned accounts until it is deleted, if that ever happens.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
410
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:06:00 -
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mechtech wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote: The 10k PLEX held by CCP now (consider it "seized assets") would allow them to remove about 4-5 trillion ISK from the economy as an ISK sink. Which may not be a bad goal.
Well in this special case, they would likely be an ISK sink, or perhaps an ISK reserve that would only be used in the case of PLEX price going too low, an unlikely concern with the current money supply.
The reason it is sink like, in this case, is because the ISK would owned by CCP, and a CCP "central bank" who has very little motivation to buy anything with that ISK, except PLEX in the mentioned low price.
Also, 4-5 trillion ISK is not much impact when the base is expanding by ~26 trillion a month. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
48
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:45:00 -
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Lucinda Hamu wrote:Why not just destroy them and keep everything as is?
They are going to use them to curb the fluctuations on the PLEX-market. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
48
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:46:00 -
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Tebb1288 wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote: I would caution expecting much price rise. The moral suasion, as Claire hinted will have an impact and 10,000 PLEX to cap the market at whatever level they decide is good, isn't something to be ignored. There's only one place that asset can go, on the market.
10k sounds like a lot - but how many people bought the HD stream? The number I heard (while not paying strict attention) was about 5000 people ponied up a PLEX to watch the stream? 5000 PLEX or so may have been spent on the HD package, but there were quite a few innovated people who were purchasing the stream, selling the ship and shirt, and using the profit off of that to purchase another stream, sell, repeat.
Except you can only buy one HD-stream per account. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
108
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:48:00 -
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What kind of an impact would it be if CCP just suddenly decided to dump all 10,000? Would the dip be short or long term?
Edit: I'm unsure how responsible that would be of CCP though. I mean how many banned plex go into the pool annually? It can't be that many. I'm sure that 10,000 took a while to get up. However, they do want plex prices to be reasonable to keep players playing and maybe even attract new customers. And with new customers, comes more people who'd buy and sell plex and it'd be the fire they would have lit to begin some sort of stability. |
Alain Kinsella
97
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Posted - 2012.03.24 14:32:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote:
Thanks for finding that, I was gonna go track it down myself.
I'm still shocked that he actually gave a number this year (he did not want to disclose it last year, but it seemed obvious that he was tracking it). Makes me feel like he's getting desperate. I may have come here from Myst Online, but that does not make me any less bloodthirsty than the average Eve player.
Just more subtle.
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Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
181
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Posted - 2012.03.25 09:18:00 -
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A PLEX sitting on an acct has no bearing on the market. It's not until the thing is actually listed that it has any pull or push.
PLEX bought with cash and then stuck on banned accts is free money to CCP that they don't have to reimburse through game-time. Thus, someone down the road is gonna buy another one. Why on CCP's dark Eve would they move them from one acct to another, or destroy and spawn new ones? It is entirely to their fiscal advantage to leave them on the banned accts.
Theoretically, if CCP were to despawn those PLEX, it could trigger some nasty legal repercussions. (Maybe/maybe not, I'm not a lawyer.)
It is entirely within the power of GMs or whoever in CCP to spawn stuff at will. (T20 anyone?) If they decide to start fiddling with the PLEX market, I seriously doubt they will do it by shooting themselves in the financial foot by spawning PLEXes that aren't paid for. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
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Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
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Posted - 2012.03.25 10:54:00 -
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Well! That graphics card deal just kind of ruined any hope of lowered isk prices. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.25 14:37:00 -
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Soldarius wrote: Theoretically, if CCP were to despawn those PLEX, it could trigger some nasty legal repercussions. (Maybe/maybe not, I'm not a lawyer.)
Since they would count as "siezed" assets (because they were assets in a banned account, which means CCP can do what they will with the contents of that account due to breaking the EULA) - CCP could probably do anything they wanted with those items.
And if they're legally not allowed to destroy them, they could simply "virtually" destroy them by leaving them rot in the banned account. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.26 03:52:00 -
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My god ...
What a pointless thread.
Oneguy thinks CCP will get more money for not touching those plexes on the dead accounts. Newsflash ... they got the money the moment some player bought the plex with real money. Not when its traded for gametime eventually. If someone along the line chooses to destroy the plex either by blowing up or by "crashing and burning" his own account. So what ?
Others think CCP would for some absurd reason pick up all the plex from the dead accounts and put them for sale 0.o ? Why in high heavens would they do that ? Account properties of the banned players are still property of the banned players .. they are just denied access.
Its abit like walking into someones house thats been sent to jail and taking his car from the garage because "He aint using it" .. even thou the car is legally his.
And to further make the thread pointless ... Im quite certain EULA states that whats in the accounts is legally CCPs and they are just renting it out for cash. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.03.26 06:07:00 -
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Cedo Nulli wrote:Oneguy thinks CCP will get more money for not touching those plexes on the dead accounts. Newsflash ... they got the money the moment some player bought the plex with real money. Not when its traded for gametime eventually. If someone along the line chooses to destroy the plex either by blowing up or by "crashing and burning" his own account. So what ? ... and minerals you mine yourself are free
If the PLEX is used for gametime CCP has to provide a service in exchange for the money, if the PLEX isn't used for gametime but destroyed/forgotten CCP gets the money without having to provide a service in return and might get an additional PLEX sale (because somebody somewhere would have wanted to use that first PLEX for gametime and will now buy another one)
Of course it's better for CCP to leave the PLEXes on dead/banned accounts alone - unless you consider the impact of high PLEX prices in general (the business model of EVE in one sentence: new players pay the subscription price for old players and old players create the content that attracts new players).
Cedo Nulli wrote:Account properties of the banned players are still property of the banned players .. they are just denied access
Im quite certain EULA states that whats in the accounts is legally CCPs and they are just renting it out for cash. just putting those two statements next to each other. |
Goran Konjich
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.26 10:19:00 -
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Florestan Bronstein wrote: just putting those two statements next to each other.
hihi |
Ireland VonVicious
Gurista Saints Assassin Confederacy
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Posted - 2012.03.26 19:49:00 -
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My bet is that CCP will use them in order to keep plex prices at a point that makes them the most money.
It's a bell curve for those of you who seem to be missing the point.
When a new player wants to buy a 1bil ship he would have to buy 4 plex if plex is 250mil value. He only has to buy 2 at 500mil value. So more money for ccp if the price is low.
On the other side of the coin if they release all this plex in the market 1 out of every so many plex won't be new profit. This could hurt ccp income too much. You also have the 250mil price something a lot of players could afford with isk and would not be paying for thier accounts.
Simple version is if plex is too cheap ccp could lose money. If plex is too high ccp could lose money. What they mean by an equalibriam is when the market is set perfectly "according to CCP" at the top of the bell curve where they make the most money.
I'd be shocked if they don't manipulate the market slowly both ways with this plex that is already paid as it's in thier best interest. (( Also they probly wouldn't even talk about it much less give a number if they weren't going to )) Say no to the fed! No eve central bank! On average it will just cost the player base more money. |
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