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DREDD xCZx	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:30:00 - [1] I have both good drone skills and gunnery skills What do you think is best for solo pvp ( And don't rant about how there is no solo pvp anymore )
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:46:00 - [2] ishtar is beter in every way...
Bronson Hughes Knights of the Wild	Posted - 2008.08.20 16:52:00 - [3] The Deimos is an in-your-face-so-I-can-melt-it blaster boat, probably the best in the game. It can deal more damage at close range than any other cruiser, it's got a MWD bonus so it can get into blaster range without suffering from a cap penalty, and it's for a full flight of medium drones to back up it's antimatter-spewing blasters. And it has the life expectancy of politician's morals. (i.e. very very short) The Deimos does what it does very well, but its high price combined with its short lifespan make it a less-than-popular choice for any HAC pilot. This, combined with the Ishtar's power and versatility, makes the Ishtar far more popular with pilots than a Deimos.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:08:00 - [4] Honestly if you're going to pull out a glass cannon, I'd usually get an insurable one. Brutix is a great, much cheaper, insurable alternative to the deimos. Ishtar has "versatility". It's not working out for minmatar ships and I don't see it working out for the ishtar any time soon. I'd play it as pilgrim with no neuts. Slap on some TDs, a wave of heavies or two, orbit outside of web range and pray your enemy is too dumb to figure out how to kill your drones.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:16:00 - [5] Deimos : Close combat ballzy hardcore brawl. Ishtar : Safe girly way to stay out of harms way while waiting for the target to pop over time. Choose.
7shining7one7 Gallente Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:20:00 - [6] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 20/08/2008 17:24:05 i have both the ishtar and demios and here is my advice. if you're looking for safer and more sustainable combat weither it be solo or in gang, then pick the ishtar, it can fit a nice tank and has huge variation with its use of drones. if you're looking for hardcore dps with low sustainability then pick the deimos. deimos is NOT a solo boat, you will be fitting plate and dmg mods on it, and some rigs to be able to fit a full rack of blasters, speeding to the enemy and taking him out before your buffer tank runs out. thus the deimos is best with a few people supporting it and repping it up afterwards with armor maintenance drone II's, if you don't then it's just too expensive and too fragile to take into combat. alone, the deimos is a piece of cake. a couple of deimos's in a well rounded bs and logistics gang remote repping them, is a nightmare for any subcapital enemy gang who dares oppose them. two gankplated deimoses charging like rhino's with a swarm of logistics around them, can tear up a buffer tanked abaddon in a matter of a few minutes, while the bs's provide long range covering fire. they are called heavy assault ships for a reason, ishtar is the passive one, deimos is the aggressive one
eXtas Atomic Battle Penguins	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:26:00 - [7] ishtar does same damage as deimos unless you go really full damage without any tank :P and ishtar dont die to 1 heavy neut :)
7shining7one7 Gallente Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage	Posted - 2008.08.20 17:38:00 - [8] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 20/08/2008 17:39:48 Originally by: eXtas ishtar does same damage as deimos unless you go really full damage without any tank :P and ishtar dont die to 1 heavy neut :) well.. that surely depends on your dronage skills which are long in training, but does come close with heavy drone operation V and drone interfacing V yeah.. but we are talking 2 months of skilling for those two. but not close enough not with a deimos with 2-3 mag stabs plate and eanm. deimos has better alpha and more dps and has its own medium drones too, to add to it unless you're fielding ewar drones.
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.08.20 18:06:00 - [9] Edited by: The Djego on 20/08/2008 18:11:53 Edited by: The Djego on 20/08/2008 18:11:18 Originally by: eXtas ishtar does same damage as deimos unless you go really full damage without any tank :P and ishtar dont die to 1 heavy neut :) But the Deimos got Blasters, common hands up for Blasters. With good Skills, a Gank Deimos will easy have more Damage than a Ishtar, shreding a Target faster and warp of. Ishtar got the better Tank if you tank it, Isthar is fare better if you Nano it, Ishtar is better if you get Nos/Neut on you, Ishtar is more flexible with Range, Damagetype and EW Drones etc. If you realy like Blasters take the Deimos, it is a ok ship that realy drives you crazy with the "I can gank it." feeling. If you are more looking for the more flexible ship, that also has more survialby, take the Ishtar. Personaly I like the Deimos more, because it¦s fun to tear Ships apart with superior in your Face DPS than to wearing them out with Drones. Same thing like Domi/Megathron in the end.
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:08:00 - [10] Originally by: The Djego it is a ok ship that realy drives you crazy with the "I can gank it." feeling. me - "** man, it's me in my deimos vs that **** 'don." guy - "you better run." me - "nah.. I can gank it" truth to be told, when you are in a blaster ship, even if it costs billions, you will look at a single target and say "shit man, I can gank that shit!" remember the motto of blaster ships: "DPS is my tank".

The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:26:00 - [11] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: The Djego it is a ok ship that realy drives you crazy with the "I can gank it." feeling. me - "** man, it's me in my deimos vs that **** 'don." guy - "you better run." me - "nah.. I can gank it" truth to be told, when you are in a blaster ship, even if it costs billions, you will look at a single target and say "shit man, I can gank that shit!" remember the motto of blaster ships: "DPS is my tank". /me remembers back to the days without Rigs and before the HP Boost(the good old times)
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:45:00 - [12] Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: The Djego it is a ok ship that realy drives you crazy with the "I can gank it." feeling. me - "** man, it's me in my deimos vs that **** 'don." guy - "you better run." me - "nah.. I can gank it" truth to be told, when you are in a blaster ship, even if it costs billions, you will look at a single target and say "shit man, I can gank that shit!" remember the motto of blaster ships: "DPS is my tank". /me remembers back to the days without Rigs and before the HP Boost(the good old times) them good ole' times when seeing a fully armed B-thron (piloted by a good pilot of course) was enough to put everyone running arround like headless chickens them guns didn't hurt much at 10km, but when you noticed he was at point blank range and all you could say was "GET IT OFF ME!" while he melted you in 10 secs flat
Omarvelous Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.08.20 19:49:00 - [13] medium ECM drones + blasters for solo work in my opinion.
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.08.20 22:33:00 - [14] Plated mega does twice more DPS, has about 5 times more buffer, and costs less after insurance by at least 50m.
The Djego Minmatar merovinger inc	Posted - 2008.08.20 22:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Plated mega does twice more DPS, has about 5 times more buffer, and costs less after insurance by at least 50m. But is also halve as fast, has the agility of a flying brick, locks slower and has worse Tracking. Same thing could be sayed about Ishtar/Domi(if you fit some Blasters it gets twice the DPS of a Ishtar).
Helios Hyperion Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.08.20 22:56:00 - [16] its really too bad that people dont understand the real benefits of flying a hac over flying a battleship.. perhaps ccp should allow more realistic insurance for t2 ships, then you would see even more use of them. but then.. isk isnt exactly hard to come by
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:07:00 - [17] Edited by: Kuzya Morozov on 20/08/2008 23:11:01 Originally by: The Djego Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Plated mega does twice more DPS, has about 5 times more buffer, and costs less after insurance by at least 50m. But is also halve as fast, has the agility of a flying brick, locks slower and has worse Tracking. Same thing could be sayed about Ishtar/Domi(if you fit some Blasters it gets twice the DPS of a Ishtar). Half as fast doesn't matter when you have Large Neutrons fitted, since your falloff and optimal will be way better than a Deimos. Tracking will also not be shit because of Mega's tracking bonus. Locking slower is fixed because you can fit a sens booster on a plated Mega. I really don't understand why people care if a battleship turns half as slow when it'll live 5 minutes more. Edit: And I don't have anything against you man, it's more of against CCP. Look at how useless HACs are. Anything they do can be done cheaper and better by battleships, except for nano - and that is getting nerfed.
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.20 23:12:00 - [18] Ishtar provides far greater flexibility and chances for fun then the deimos ever will. The deimos does one thing and one thing only: lots of damage at point blank range. For every other situation, the Ishtar is far and away the better and more fun choice. For solo PvP, its the ONLY choice in Gallente hac's.
Jenney	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Bronson Hughes The Deimos is an in-your-face-so-I-can-melt-it blaster boat, probably the best in the game. It can deal more damage at close range than any other cruiser Not mcuh point in geting a blaster Deimos as with a gank setup useing nutrons and 3x damage mods (816 dps) you get less damage than a brutix would with the same type of setup: 3x damage mods and nutrons, (895 dps). Also its not the hardest hiting cruiser a navy vexor with ion baslets and 4 oger II will out damage it with just 2 damage mods geting 819 dps or 873 with 3 damage mods all t2 kit but still less than a burtix. The only advantage would be a bit more speed and about 3km more falloff. These are also suicidal setups so you would need some good ew suport
7shining7one7 Gallente Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:42:00 - [20] Originally by: Jenney Originally by: Bronson Hughes The Deimos is an in-your-face-so-I-can-melt-it blaster boat, probably the best in the game. It can deal more damage at close range than any other cruiser Not mcuh point in geting a blaster Deimos as with a gank setup useing nutrons and 3x damage mods (816 dps) you get less damage than a brutix would with the same type of setup: 3x damage mods and nutrons, (895 dps). Also its not the hardest hiting cruiser a navy vexor with ion baslets and 4 oger II will out damage it with just 2 damage mods geting 819 dps or 873 with 3 damage mods all t2 kit but still less than a burtix. The only advantage would be a bit more speed and about 3km more falloff. These are also suicidal setups so you would need some good ew suport you and the megathron proponent guy (mega is awesome btw.) forget the high base resists on the deimos and the extra damage bonus.. i'd like to also question how you can get a brutix to do more damage than a deimos when it only has 1 damage bonus, furthermore i'd like to hear how you came up with those dps numbers which sound a bit outlandish tbh..

Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:45:00 - [21] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Jenney Originally by: Bronson Hughes The Deimos is an in-your-face-so-I-can-melt-it blaster boat, probably the best in the game. It can deal more damage at close range than any other cruiser Not mcuh point in geting a blaster Deimos as with a gank setup useing nutrons and 3x damage mods (816 dps) you get less damage than a brutix would with the same type of setup: 3x damage mods and nutrons, (895 dps). Also its not the hardest hiting cruiser a navy vexor with ion baslets and 4 oger II will out damage it with just 2 damage mods geting 819 dps or 873 with 3 damage mods all t2 kit but still less than a burtix. The only advantage would be a bit more speed and about 3km more falloff. These are also suicidal setups so you would need some good ew suport you and the megathron proponent guy (mega is awesome btw.) forget the high base resists on the deimos and the extra damage bonus.. i'd like to also question how you can get a brutix to do more damage than a deimos when it only has 1 damage bonus, furthermore i'd like to hear how you came up with those dps numbers which sound a bit outlandish tbh.. Brutix has more gunslots, and doesn't need 30M in rigs to fit neutrons. Both Mega and Tix have more armor to compensate for the high base resists.
Flora Flynn	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:52:00 - [22] Originally by: Helios Hyperion its really too bad that people dont understand the real benefits of flying a hac over flying a battleship.. perhaps ccp should allow more realistic insurance for t2 ships, then you would see even more use of them. but then.. isk isnt exactly hard to come by Bah I am sick of hearing ISK is not hard to come by. I am spending mine on books. I am finally able too outfit a BC with T2 everything but can't afford it. Where is the damned ISK fountain? I wanna know so that I can join the FW.
Fifi LeFume No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:55:00 - [23] Originally by: 7shining7one7 i'd like to also question how you can get a brutix to do more damage than a deimos when it only has 1 damage bonus, furthermore i'd like to hear how you came up with those dps numbers which sound a bit outlandish tbh.. The brutix will outgank the deimos everyday of the week. all that matters on the brutix is 7 neutrons in the highs, 1 rcu and 3 mfs in the lows, and 5 hh ii's. Those numbers are reachable and nowhere near outlandish tbh
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:56:00 - [24] Originally by: Flora Flynn Originally by: Helios Hyperion its really too bad that people dont understand the real benefits of flying a hac over flying a battleship.. perhaps ccp should allow more realistic insurance for t2 ships, then you would see even more use of them. but then.. isk isnt exactly hard to come by Bah I am sick of hearing ISK is not hard to come by. I am spending mine on books. I am finally able too outfit a BC with T2 everything but can't afford it. Where is the damned ISK fountain? I wanna know so that I can join the FW. It's called a dysprosium moon, and you don't get one.
Jenney	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:56:00 - [25] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Jenney Originally by: Bronson Hughes The Deimos is an in-your-face-so-I-can-melt-it blaster boat, probably the best in the game. It can deal more damage at close range than any other cruiser Not mcuh point in geting a blaster Deimos as with a gank setup useing nutrons and 3x damage mods (816 dps) you get less damage than a brutix would with the same type of setup: 3x damage mods and nutrons, (895 dps). Also its not the hardest hiting cruiser a navy vexor with ion baslets and 4 oger II will out damage it with just 2 damage mods geting 819 dps or 873 with 3 damage mods all t2 kit but still less than a burtix. The only advantage would be a bit more speed and about 3km more falloff. These are also suicidal setups so you would need some good ew suport you and the megathron proponent guy (mega is awesome btw.) forget the high base resists on the deimos and the extra damage bonus.. i'd like to also question how you can get a brutix to do more damage than a deimos when it only has 1 damage bonus, furthermore i'd like to hear how you came up with those dps numbers which sound a bit outlandish tbh.. Ok will show the setups there not very good and olt tock a min to come up with as if you dont jam the target you will get killed but then again if you do have good ew you get bs damage in a cruise that could be nanoed navy vexor setup highs 5 x Heavy ion blaster II (CN AM) Mids named/faction 10mn mwd web/piont or whatever in the other 2 slots lows 3x Mag field stabilizer II 3x nano or tank stuff what ever drone bay 4 x oger II or 3 oger 2 hammers its the samge damage this gives you 873 dps if you nano it it can go over 4km/s the brutix set up is much the same just 7 heavy nutron IIs with navy ammo and 3 damage mods + hammer head drones wih that you get 895 and i didnt use any rigs but it does need a PDU to fit the guns and mwd.
7shining7one7 Gallente Don Rico's Massive Rainbow Storage	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:58:00 - [26] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 21/08/2008 01:05:41 Originally by: Kuzya Morozov Originally by: 7shining7one7 you and the megathron proponent guy (mega is awesome btw.) forget the high base resists on the deimos and the extra damage bonus.. i'd like to also question how you can get a brutix to do more damage than a deimos when it only has 1 damage bonus, furthermore i'd like to hear how you came up with those dps numbers which sound a bit outlandish tbh.. Brutix has more gunslots, and doesn't need 30M in rigs to fit neutrons. Both Mega and Tix have more armor to compensate for the high base resists. i looked into fitting a brutix (a battlecruiser, the deimos is a elite cruiser) for the dps you mention: [Brutix, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Battery II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hammerhead II x5 860 dps.. notice you need 3 ancilliary current routers just to f'ing fit the blasters and a 800mm plate fgs.. lol gl fitting a pdu then it has absolutely no tank whatsoever (think resists) it's just not happening bro.. also it's ehp is NOT better, it is the same as a deimos with 3 mag stabs and a 800mm plate... yet the deimos has unquestionably better resists and agility/speed! that brutix will f'ing break like a twig if it tried to solo the gankplate deimos i showed earlier itt.
Fifi LeFume No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:58:00 - [27] Originally by: AstroPhobic It's called a dysprosium moon, and you don't get one. I will take over your dyspro moon with exotic dancers and janitors
Flora Flynn	Posted - 2008.08.21 00:59:00 - [28] Originally by: AstroPhobic It's called a dysprosium moon, and you don't get one. /drops trou and moons the mean guy.
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.21 01:01:00 - [29] I don't get one either.
Fifi LeFume No Trademark Obsidian Empire	Posted - 2008.08.21 01:04:00 - [30] Originally by: 7shining7one7 i looked into fitting a brutix (a battlecruiser, the deimos is a elite cruiser) for the dps you mention: [Brutix, New Setup 1] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Stasis Webifier II Medium Capacitor Battery II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router I Hammerhead II x5 860 dps.. notice you need 3 ancilliary current routers just to f'ing fit the blasters and a 800mm plate fgs.. lol gl fitting a pdu then it has absolutely no tank whatsoever it's just not happening bro.. also it's ehp is NOT better, it is the same as the deimos yet the deimos has unquestionably better resists and agility/speed! that brutix will f'ing break like a twig if it tried to solo the gankplate deimos i showed earlier itt. [Brutix, full gank] Reactor Control Unit II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 860 dps. What were you smoking that you had to put 3 ACR's on the brutix? a single RCU will do. 860dps, 32,500 EHP Cheaper and outganks the deimos. Nuff said, stop complaining.

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