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Trancehacker
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:15:00 -
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Hello,
I've been at it for a while now, doing missions, mining, studying, Training, etc., and though I'm most likely NOT ready, I'm thinkin bout venturing into Low Sec & 0.0 for the first time. I have a Raven with 6 Arbalest Cruise Launchers, Various Low & Mid Mods, I switch em all the time depending on what I'm doing/facing, and I'm "Mid-Level"ish across the board on Combat/Ship Skills.
Does anyone have a "General" Idea on When one is ready to venture into these areas, Obviously one can go whenever one feels like it, LOL, but as a rule of thumb, can anyone layout a sort of "General Guideline" of Minimums (Skills, Weapons,Ships, Etc.) Needed for an Initial foray into Dangerous Space. THANX ALOT =) |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: AstroPhobic on 20/08/2008 17:17:54
Best idea is to start in a frig until you get some experience. Rocket kestrel, an inty or AF or something. Taking a raven out into lowsec for the first time won't end well.
Edit: I tend to not take ships out into pvp until I can fit them with a t2 tank/t2 weapons at minimum. A lot of other people abide by this same rule. As a general rule of thumb - have all your support skills to at least 4. If you still feel you're underskilled, go a class down. |
Trancehacker
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:17:00 -
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appreciate the quick response Astro, but I'm kind of NOOBISH on the abbreviations (Srry Man) can you elaborate =) |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:18:00 -
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 Originally by: Trancehacker
appreciate the quick response Astro, but I'm kind of NOOBISH on the abbreviations (Srry Man) can you elaborate =)
Go out in a frigate of choice and start pew pewing.  |
P'uck
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:18:00 -
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he means, in other words:
start with small, nimble, fast and cheapish ships.
bigger is not better. no amount of tank will save you from hostile teamwork  |
Trancehacker
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:21:00 -
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And let me stress I'm not a Complete Noob, I can do Lvl 3 Missions, and I can Handle Myself in my Raven at that Level. Just lookin for some general Fitting suggestions to put on a Raven for a Mid Level Experienced player goin into LowSec for 1 Time. I have Hawks, Drakes, Cormorants, and Many Many Frigates in My Hangar. I'm Obviously Caldari, any Suggestions? =) |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Trancehacker
And let me stress I'm not a Complete Noob, I can do Lvl 3 Missions, and I can Handle Myself in my Raven at that Level. Just lookin for some general Fitting suggestions to put on a Raven for a Mid Level Experienced player goin into LowSec for 1 Time. I have Hawks, Drakes, Cormorants, and Many Many Frigates in My Hangar. I'm Obviously Caldari, any Suggestions? =)
No amount of missions will prepare you for the experience needed in lowsec. It's a completely different animal. Start small. |
Trancehacker
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:23:00 -
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OK cool, So your Saying the First time I go out there I'm most likely gonna get ganked by a couple clowns with nothin better to do, and I shouldn't waste one of My Ravens until I'm more familiar with the "Situational" tactics of Low Sec & 0.0. So go in one of my Frigates First? |
Trancehacker
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:27:00 -
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How Bout Mods, Rigs, Etc. Start Small there too? No Expensive Mods, No Rigs? that kind of thing? and BTW.....will they POD Kill Me Out there if they can? |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: AstroPhobic on 20/08/2008 17:29:13
Originally by: Trancehacker
OK cool, So your Saying the First time I go out there I'm most likely gonna get ganked by a couple clowns with nothin better to do, and I shouldn't waste one of My Ravens until I'm more familiar with the "Situational" tactics of Low Sec & 0.0. So go in one of my Frigates First?
Yes. Although it's hard to get "caught" with a frigate with pretty-much-instawarp.
Edit: T2 fit where you can, spend as much as you're willing. I wouldn't go out and rig anything under a t1 BC, and rigging those are debatable as is. I wouldn't faction fit anything. |
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Garok Nor
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:29:00 -
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I agree... start with something you can AFFORD to lose and not worry about. If you have to bring the Raven, fit it cheaply. If you run into a gatecamp or an organized roaming gang, 12 extra cruise missiles shot probably won't save you, but TBQH the Arbies will cost you. In fact, you'd be better off to increase your skills and go standard fittings than to use expensive named fittings. Skills cost nothing but time.
Just MHO YMMV
BTW any chance you can get an alt scout or a friend to scout in something small and fast, it would help a lot. |
Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 20/08/2008 17:32:52
Originally by: Trancehacker
OK cool, So your Saying the First time I go out there I'm most likely gonna get ganked by a couple clowns with nothin better to do, and I shouldn't waste one of My Ravens until I'm more familiar with the "Situational" tactics of Low Sec & 0.0. So go in one of my Frigates First?
Frigs.. or cruisers if you want to make it more interesting. Raven will not serve you well until you have at least some personal combat experience.
Basically, you're bound to lose a raven even to a semi-experienced BC pilot, so better not do that ^^
T2 guns/tank is a pretty good guideline of starting ground imo, you can get those at frigate level pretty quick, they're quite cheap aswell(compared to arbalest cruises especially)
And yes, expect to get podded 
Edit. Also, might be a good idea to join FW gangs(not sure on that though  ), trying to take first steps in pvp via soloing is rather difficult nowadays. Or well, taking "successful" steps at this is difficult. |
NilByMouth
Lave Lounge Lizards
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:32:00 -
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I would say no to anything above a cruiser size-wise (preferably a frig or something that can align and get into warp in an instant) and no expensive mods, rigs etc etc.
You *will* lose something sooner or later - better make it affordable.
Raven aligns like an aircraft carrier so don't even think about taking that... |
Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:35:00 -
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Solo PVP raven with arbalest cruise missiles, flown by a pilot still on level 3 missions. I see nothing that can go wrong here. Go for it. |
Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:35:00 -
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Edited by: Drek Grapper on 20/08/2008 17:35:44
Start small like others have said...if you are solo you will lose ships. If you are in a BS you will get killed even quicker - big fat juicy target.
Small is good cos if you smart you can get away. Only problem is, Caldari aren't the best solo race to be cruising round lowsec in.
If you have trained for other races frigs and cruisers etc that was a smart move. Vexor/Thorax/Rupture/Stabber/Arbitrator etc are all good lowsec solo ships.
Using a BS will be a waste...and also, just because its bigger, don't mean it's better. |
AstroPhobic
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:40:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Solo PVP raven with arbalest cruise missiles, flown by a pilot still on level 3 missions. I see nothing that can go wrong here. Go for it.
If they were CN, I would agree. Figure 3 drop on average, 15m profit or so. "Meh". |
Oweim
Gallente
Sephray Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:50:00 -
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I perused battleclinic, found both an incursus and vexor fit I like, am training up to use both to go find trouble in low sec. Eg, Small Hybrid turret V ends in 4 dyas, couple more after that i'll have ok starter pvp fit. Will have t2 blasters but probably won't put anything else t2 for now, maybe not even hammerII, until more experienced. |
Baron Primus
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:54:00 -
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Use a scout ship.  I intend to cruise all around and see just wtf is up out here |
Trancehacker
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Posted - 2008.08.20 17:57:00 -
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Alright, I have Amarr Frigate @ Lvl 3. I'm 11 Days away from Caldari Fig Level 5. I'm Battleship Lvl 4, But all you folks are saying BS is bad idea, so thank you cause I woulda been HEATED to lose one of my Ravens. What about Destroyers, I got Like 6 Drakes with Misc. Fittings, I could stand to lose one of those........ |
Zeerover
Caldari
DeadSpace Exploration and Investigations
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:13:00 -
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Well as long as you know what your doing a Raven/Drake isn't too bad a choice for low-sec. I ran plenty of missions up in Nalvula/Otsasai/Hakonen/Obe/Otsela/Ihakana in a Drake/Raven even when I had only 5-10 million SP. Of course I lost a couple to the Black Rabbits, but I'll mark that up to their excellent skills, otherwise it was fun with some close calls tanking my way back to the gate.
If you know what your doing you're mostly safe. Don't fit arby launchers. Limos launchers are a lot cheaper and nearly as good. Be aligned on a safepoint/station/stargate and flee at the first sign of trouble (like when somebody warps into your mission/complex). If it's a busy system use your scanner to see if somebody is probing you out. If it's a backwater place and suddenly people with low sec standing start to appear in local you get out. If you run into a gatecamp, don't decloak right away, evaluate your options, i.e. if you head back to the gate don't fire back.
Even now I run Exploration in a T2 fit Raven in low-sec and it's not that often you find any threats, when you do just get out, because you'll never be in a fair fight.
If you're having too much trouble with understanding these concepts then low-sec isn't for you, but practice makes perfect, so you'll have to start sometime. |
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Domin Mae
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:16:00 -
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Hey, all the advice you have been given is good advice. If you take your Raven into low sec space you're gonna lose it and no amount of skills will be able to stop it from happening. It's a question of 'when' you're gonna lose it not 'if'. The higher your ingame skills the better chance you have to get away.
If you can afford to buy, fit and lose ten t1 frigates then you're ready. Replace the word frigate in the previous sentence with any other class. It holds true because you will lose them and you might have a good time.
When you do lose a ship be kind and courteous. Do not talk trash in local. Offer your compliments to the person that bested you. They may take the time to offer some food for thought and you might learn from your mistakes. Good luck and fly safe. |
Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Domin Mae
Hey, all the advice you have been given is good advice. If you take your Raven into low sec space you're gonna lose it and no amount of skills will be able to stop it from happening. It's a question of 'when' you're gonna lose it not 'if'. The higher your ingame skills the better chance you have to get away.
If you can afford to buy, fit and lose ten t1 frigates then you're ready. Replace the word frigate in the previous sentence with any other class. It holds true because you will lose them and you might have a good time.
When you do lose a ship be kind and courteous. Do not talk trash in local. Offer your compliments to the person that bested you. They may take the time to offer some food for thought and you might learn from your mistakes. Good luck and fly safe.
This is good advice, only thing I would add is that until they nerf them (and perhaps even afterwards) its a good idea to have a MWD and/or cloak fitted to your ship if your are moving around |
Bronson Hughes
Knights of the Wild
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Solo PVP raven with arbalest cruise missiles, flown by a pilot still on level 3 missions. I see nothing that can go wrong here. Go for it.
You're slippin' Boz, you forgot to ask the OP where he planned on taking said Raven.
OP: Pretty much what everyone else here has said about starting out in smaller ships is spot on. Mission boats and PvP ships require completely different tactics and fitting, so it's best to start small while you're learning because you will get blwon up. A lot. |
Gimpb
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Posted - 2008.08.20 18:27:00 -
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Astro and p'uck have advised you well.
One might add that finding someone to go with would be a good idea. If you just go alone, it'll probably be a long time before things start going well for you.
Flying with someone more experienced should help you get your feet much quicker and help decrease the amount of lessons learned the hard way. |
Scathain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:25:00 -
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If you dont want to use a frig, and want something larger. Cruisers work well. Rupture, Thorax, Vexor, Stabber. Caldari ships are not the best solo boats and have a hard time doing it. Though a well fit HAM-Drake can take things down, and works fairly well. Cane, Harb also work well in the BC line of ships. |
Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 20/08/2008 19:44:47
Originally by: Trancehacker
And let me stress I'm not a Complete Noob, I can do Lvl 3 Missions, and I can Handle Myself in my Raven at that Level. Just lookin for some general Fitting suggestions to put on a Raven for a Mid Level Experienced player goin into LowSec for 1 Time. I have Hawks, Drakes, Cormorants, and Many Many Frigates in My Hangar. I'm Obviously Caldari, any Suggestions? =)
Well, a Raven isn't a bad ship, but your fitting really isn't going to work. You can either win through high skills or through money, and you're going to run into pirates with much better skills than you. So how do you compensate? Fit the absolute best on your ship: Caldari Navy cruise launchers, Estamel's hardeners, and definitely Pithi X-type X-large shield booster (you'll need the extra tank to survive). Yeah, it'll be expensive, but it'll deal with those pirates pretty nicely. Buy some ISK on ebay if you have to (consider it a loan: you'll make that money back quickly with a few hours of low-sec belt ratting), but do not under any circumstances sacrifice fitting quality for cheapness. Buy more ISK if you have to.
Of course the best way to get into lowsec is to fly with friends. I'm CEO of a corp dedicated to helping newer players get set up in lowsec, message me in-game if you want some people to fly with. |
Wannabehero
Caldari
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:51:00 -
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This thread has a good amount of information you might want |
Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.08.20 19:56:00 -
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I proudly say that I am an alt, I have under 1m SP and I went low sec the other night in my T1 fit rifter and downed two solo targets, a rifter and a Bellicose. I ran away from a sacrilege for a few minutes before that happened, he left the system eventually.
If the Bellicose had backup, or a web, I would have been toasted, but he didnt.
Bottom line is, these are the most important things :
1- Combat experience
2- Picking your fights
3- Good setup (I mean a good module combination, i dont mean a 500m setup)
So, fit a few frig with basic T1 gear, go fight some other frigs, try things. When you feel more confident, fit cruisers with T1 gear. When you feel you are now a good pvper, move on to expensive stuff.
My 2 cents, and best wishes on your first trips in low sec. |
Xupe
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Posted - 2008.08.20 21:30:00 -
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Fly a frig and progress to a cruiser for several months or so. No need to fly anything huge while you are learning PvP and low sec.
I know, my account is about eight months old now and I've only decided to start flying the Hurricane about a month ago.
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Spaztick
Canadian Imperial Armaments
EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.08.20 23:01:00 -
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0.0 in a frigate or inty is your best bet. Just remember though, losing ships is fun. |
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