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Ayn Randy
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.23 13:46:00 -
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So from the faction warfare stage, basically R/D agents are gonna be nerfed. Double the research points and an isk fee to get them.
In exchange, datacores will be available from racial faction warfare LP stores!
Looks like alot of datacores have been bought up already! |
Lt Angus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:11:00 -
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wouldnt making them grindable lower the price |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:13:00 -
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Yea |
Ayn Randy
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:16:00 -
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Im not sure though, the way the CCP guy was going on about the faction LP's, buying datacores isnt going to be at the top of the list! |
volhar
V Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:19:00 -
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Depends if there is an associated isk cost and also it'll cap the price around the other items in the store. If I can get more out of my LPs by buying a navy geddon, why would I buy datacores instead? Could go either way but I'm thinking up |
Ayn Randy
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.23 14:29:00 -
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It will be up, the dev said they wanted to make them more expensive. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.23 15:10:00 -
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fw pvp giving lp, complex's giving lp so more lp going to kill lp to isk . prices lower for winning side so u join the winners or hoard til u start winning. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:18:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:fw pvp giving lp
Seriously? I can meta-game the system with 2 accounts for nearly free LP?
Good by research alt, hello FW alt.
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:23:00 -
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Hopefully CCP doesn't do this. It's a silly move for not only RP-Lore reasons but for industrial reasons as well. I can understand their motivation for wishing to move it from a passive action to something more active however.
The best thing CCP could do IMO would be to cease the passive aspect and make it a more active pursuit with the current agents. Have the agent demand things from ISK to minerals to NPC passengers.
The old lottery system, as flawed as it was, at least had players do something for their RP. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
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Posted - 2012.03.24 10:53:00 -
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Well they haven't stated how the LP would work either. It could very well be that a CONCORD LP farmer could just join up and dump a crap ton of LP into the datacore LP area. If they kept CONCORD LP out of the FW rewards, we could see an interesting change. |
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Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2012.03.24 18:34:00 -
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Faction Starship Datacores up 30% |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:33:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote: The best thing CCP could do IMO would be to cease the passive aspect and make it a more active pursuit with the current agents. Have the agent demand things from ISK to minerals to NPC passengers.
Eh, it's not a ISK faucet nor an ISK sink, the income isn't all that fabulous, and it takes about 1 month to break even just on the skill books needed to farm (5-6) agents (plus the training time). At best, you're making 15-16M per L4 agent, and a lot of the datacores are only 8-12M/mo per agent. I think it's one of those things that you should simply leave alone. It will gradually fade into irrelevance (you used to get 25-30M/month per agent).
Do add the ability to buy them with LP from the R&D corp's LP store. Which would reward those people who want to actually run missions for that particular corp.
The problem with "datacores for LP" is the brokenness of trading in CONCORD LP for any other LP in the game - without respect to faction/corp standings (you should get less "corp LP" if you don't have high standings with that particular corp).
But allowing datacores to be bought for LP will ensure that supply can be ramped up to meet demand. The current supply model is very slow to react to the market changes. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.03.24 21:56:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote: But allowing datacores to be bought for LP will ensure that supply can be ramped up to meet demand. The current supply model is very slow to react to the market changes.
My point is make it something active, that consumes time and resources. Passive flows don't take much in the way of time as input cost. Any activity that consumes time, but does not generate ISK, is going to be good for the macro economy at this stage. |
Dinger
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:32:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:Well they haven't stated how the LP would work either. It could very well be that a CONCORD LP farmer could just join up and dump a crap ton of LP into the datacore LP area. If they kept CONCORD LP out of the FW rewards, we could see an interesting change.
As far as I'm aware CONCORD LP is already not tradable for either FW or pirate corps' LP, so that shouldn't be an issue, it does however mean that the mechanic exists and there's no reason such logic couldn't be applied to the R&D corps as well. |
Agrikaan
Tash-Murkon Imports and Exports
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Posted - 2012.03.24 23:20:00 -
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Just make sure that any "required action" to get Datacores is tied to NPC industrial corps. Otherwise, one less reason to do missions (standings) for them. And that "-1" might lead to a "0" for many. Besides, doing missions for them to get the required standing for level 4 research agents can hardly be considered "doing nothing". |
Woo Mi
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:24:00 -
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Yup, I've been grinding for some time now gaining access to lvl4 agents for all my toons, and I am almost there. It's definately not been passive. Have cashed all my RP into datacores to beat the pricehike. I'll continue as I am almost there, but I suspect my original plan (several years ago) to have research agents as a regular source of income seems to be slowly getting nerfed. first with the lowering of the standing requirements, and now with the upcoming FW update. I suppose I'll need to pursue other avenues of generating income then. Adapt and survive and all that |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:39:00 -
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Ayn Randy wrote:So from the faction warfare stage, basically R/D agents are gonna be nerfed. Double the research points and an isk fee to get them.
In exchange, datacores will be available from racial faction warfare LP stores!
Looks like alot of datacores have been bought up already!
Link? Also I wouldn't be surprised to see spike, crash, spike. People are going to cash out their RPs while the gettings good.
Personally, I think everything about that idea but the added isk sink is stupid, but when did stupid ever stop CCP. |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.04.08 00:18:00 -
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Woo Mi wrote:Yup, I've been grinding for some time now gaining access to lvl4 agents for all my toons, and I am almost there. It's definately not been passive. Have cashed all my RP into datacores to beat the pricehike. I'll continue as I am almost there, but I suspect my original plan (several years ago ) to have research agents as a regular source of income seems to be slowly getting nerfed. first with the lowering of the standing requirements, and now with the upcoming FW update. I suppose I'll need to pursue other avenues of generating income then. Adapt and survive and all that
At times I think I am about the only person who had an easy time getting up to lv4 research agents. Took me no more than a few hours. The most annoying part has always been getting the datacores since it's probably an easy 100jumps or more, but I've done that once so far, so can't complain too much. |
Minmat Sebtin
House of Sebtin
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Posted - 2012.04.08 02:07:00 -
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Do we know when the datacore changes are going to be implemented? |
Boomhaur
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Posted - 2012.04.08 02:57:00 -
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Minmat Sebtin wrote:Do we know when the datacore changes are going to be implemented?
Last I checked it was just speculation and wasn't set in stone. |
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Eofina
Ministry of Destruction SCUM.
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Posted - 2012.04.08 14:45:00 -
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The problem I see is that it will greatly increase T2 Invention costs making T2 BPO holders be able to control price even more. Of course this will raise prices on T2 ships and modules in general.
The question is... Is this a good or bad thing? And for who? |
db Deckard
Loc-Nar Support Services Rura-Penthe
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:11:00 -
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Ayn Randy wrote:So from the faction warfare stage, basically R/D agents are gonna be nerfed. Double the research points and an isk fee to get them.
In exchange, datacores will be available from racial faction warfare LP stores!
Looks like alot of datacores have been bought up already!
In my opinion it would be unacceptable to trash the existing RP system as not only did many people train specific skills, but many of us grinded missions for weeks to get the appropriate standing with the agent we wanted. If this is just an expansion of the existing RP system alowing FW to have a path for RP I have no problem with it.
-db |
Kengutsi Akira
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.16 22:33:00 -
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Ayn Randy wrote:So from the faction warfare stage, basically R/D agents are gonna be nerfed. Double the research points and an isk fee to get them.
In exchange, datacores will be available from racial faction warfare LP stores!
Looks like alot of datacores have been bought up already!
so theyre looking to remove research is what this says to me...
either you do it through FW or we make yuo do it this other way where its not economiocally viable...
some choice
Eofina wrote:The problem I see is that it will greatly increase T2 Invention costs making T2 BPO holders be able to control price even more. Of course this will raise prices on T2 ships and modules in general.
The question is... Is this a good or bad thing? And for who?
a good ting for those that control the BPOs. Id have said BoB back in the day, now Im guessing the Russians or Goons https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1109909#post1109909
My stance on WiS (updated) |
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
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Posted - 2012.04.17 11:46:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Scrapyard Bob wrote: But allowing datacores to be bought for LP will ensure that supply can be ramped up to meet demand. The current supply model is very slow to react to the market changes.
My point is make it something active, that consumes time and resources. Passive flows don't take much in the way of time as input cost. Any activity that consumes time, but does not generate ISK, is going to be good for the macro economy at this stage.
Demanding resources, could be an interesting aspect, but in reality, I highly doubt people are going to start rushing into research as a main playstyle, even if it did pay as much as mission runners, or miners make per month.
Right now im training 2 alts to run missions for Amarr and Caldari, in a nutshell, Im just not thrilled enough to start it up, even if it would cost me something like 4 hours and done with it.
they would need to tread carefully not to chase to many people away, as a primary priority.
Maybe set a timer, where people have to pick up their goods at a certain time of the month, universally, this would give pirates something extra to look forward to. |
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