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Corvus Seth
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Posted - 2008.08.21 01:18:00 -
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For many millennia we, humans, were looking at the stars above as the symbol of our future, of the grand destiny of our species that lies ahead. We thought that there will be a time without war, without suffering, time, when the humanity, united, will ascend to rule the endless Universe.
But this never happened. Because human nature is dualistic, and while some dream about the paradise made real for everyone, others enjoy making random weaklings suffer. There is an angel and a demon within each soul, and if left unchecked, the demon will almost always prevail with quite sad consequences. The 'immortal' capsuleers are a fine example of this - thousands of them went, basically, insane, because fear of Death does not affect their actions anymore...
Humans are imperfect, and distorted reflections of their ugly souls fill the ugly world they create around themselves, knowingly or not.
Should the world be changed?
Should the human nature itself be changed?
Yes!
And so, I believe. One day we, all races united as one, will surpass Jovians and Enheduanni. There will be no more wars, no crime, no slavery. We will transcend our imperfect nature. We will triumph over evil, as we have alredy triumphed over Death itself.
Because the true Dream cannot be killed. Even broken to myriad shards, each holding the reflection of the whole, it lives... |
Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.21 01:34:00 -
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 Originally by: Corvus Seth
We will triumph over evil, as we have alredy triumphed over Death itself.
I have a feeling that you'll be quite disappointed when the mathematically inevitable situation will arise where you cannot clone.
Not that you'll be feeling anything when you're dead.
Besides, the capsuleer and his taking of thousands or millions of lives at a whim is pretty much the very definition of evil in the minds of many. Are you thinking you'd like to redefine evil as well? |
Corvus Seth
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Posted - 2008.08.21 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Corvus Seth on 21/08/2008 03:02:31
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
I have a feeling that you'll be quite disappointed when the mathematically inevitable situation will arise where you cannot clone.
Indeed I will. But with proper approach to the problem and basic survival skills applied to minimize that chance the moment of the disappointment (or, more precisely, lack thereof) will not come for a very, very long time.
Active combat pilots tend to 'burn through' their clones in several years - when you are being podded on a weekly basis, sooner or later the biomass tank will find you. But a less agressive specimen, provided adequate funding and equipment, can live for millennia now, changing his clone, let's say, each 50 years or so. This is not exactly immortality, but something quite close to it.
Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Besides, the capsuleer and his taking of thousands or millions of lives at a whim is pretty much the very definition of evil in the minds of many. Are you thinking you'd like to redefine evil as well?
The "definition of something in the minds of many" is far from a guaranteed truth. Usually it is the opposite. Masses, especially planetside masses, will brand "evil" anything if they are repeatedly told that it is so. "The evil dictatorial regime of ... that's threating our freedom", "The evil heretical cannibalistic cult of ...", "The fanatical slaving zealots of ...", "The insane half-machine followers of ... who want to turn us all into drooling puppets" - insert your scarecrow here...
But you are right, most of the capsuleers are really evil (that means, they increase overall amount of suffering in the universe on the daily basis without the higher goal to justify this). But the technology itself has immense potential: it is just improperly used. It's the human mind that fails, not the capsule. The part which fails needs to be fixed.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.21 06:38:00 -
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Dual-natured, is it?
... Well, it's not a new idea, certainly, but you seem to think of the forces (and I'm assuming for the sake of argument that there even are two of them) as being necessarily in opposition. Or perhaps I should say, antithetical.
It's an interesting model you construct, Mr. Seth, but I don't think it reflects the world very well, and so will have trouble providing any workable approach to the future.
If we all get branded as evil, "we" includes "you," pilot. Any backlash against the "evil" capsuleers in general is unlikely to be so kind and thoughtful as to distinguish the "good" from the "bad." After all, virtually all of our careers are built upon destruction, be it directly or simply by supplying the means. |
Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.08.21 09:10:00 -
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This is not exactly immortality, but something quite close to it.
I'm afraid it's nothing like it, Mr Seth. Immortality is endlessness itself. Delaying something, even for a millenia...it counts for little in the face of something else that delays it forever. A year, ten years, ten thousand years...no amount of time is truly comparable to the infinite.
The truth is, we can never know if we have "triumphed over death," as you put it. Not unless we develop foresight that extends endlessly into the future.
I appreciate the sentiment of your communication, but it is fundamentally misguided. You see a direction and mistake it for the destination. |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.21 09:23:00 -
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I never expected to live as long as I have. Now, I do want to live for a thousand years. It's not forever, but I'm not particularly interested in forever. However, I do know one thing: If the teeming masses of humanity decide to eradicate us and our way of life, we're done. Our lives would not be possible without their consent, or at least their indifference. We might take a lot of them with us, if it came down to it; but sooner or later, they'd wipe us out.
Capsuleers are not gods or any other brand of immortal; and to consider ourselves as such is folly. Gods and idols are always cast aside when humanity outgrows them. In order for us to endure, we must shed our celebrity. Otherwise, we will be torn down and cast aside; if not sooner, then later. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 10:08:00 -
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The path to immortality lies in the worship of God. |
Nola Doyle
Heavenly Bodies
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Posted - 2008.08.21 10:30:00 -
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I'm perfectly flawed the way I am, thank you very much!
The old adage that it's not the destination that's important, but the path taken that is what makes living a worthwhile experience comes to mind. Ending suffering, slavery, and war sound wonderful in conceptual form, but I fear the net result will be that none of us survive to see it.
Perhaps it's just the pessimist inside, but such lofty goals usually never seem to end well.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.08.21 10:32:00 -
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One who worships and devotes themselves to God cannot be expected to comprehend the true nature and full extent of immortality.
Faith in God is the last, desperate refuge of weaker minds. It's time will come. |
Carcosa Hali
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.08.21 13:39:00 -
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Hali smiles genuinely as she speaks, 'Nice to meet you.'
Her image flickers in a pattern that, if properly deciphered, leads one to the channel "Toxic Edge".
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Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.08.21 14:12:00 -
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Faith is never a refuge, and cannot be understood by the weak, of any race. Faith transcends time and can unite diverse and myriad peoples in a common goal.
Humanity is by nature disputatious and violent. Faith in something higher than ourselves gives us hope that by acting in a manner that is agreed upon as acceptable by our peers, we can become better than the base and bestial creature that would kill and destroy on a whim. The creature that resides in all of us.
Like all things made by Men, religion can be twisted, words can be changed, but the core of it, the abiding belief in something greater, better, more noble and something to reach for, that is what God is about.
There are many religions in our little cluster of stars, and as I am learning, there are very different in ways. In others they are not.
Pilot Zion, God is the embodiment of omnipotence and immortality. Perhaps you should consider that those who believe in him have a greater understanding of what true immortality really entails and how truly very very far from it we are.
One other thing Pilots, as some others have mentioned here, we are not immortal, or even gods. We are the product of humanity's ingenuity and technology. The techs that grow and monitor the clones for us to awaken in, the humans that design and build the vats, the ones that think up the new science that supports all of it and makes it better, they are our creators.
Remember, you are not a god, nor immortal. Gods are primordial beings that exist outside our understanding of space and time. You and I? You and I were built and created by Man, and can just as easily be cast aside by him.
May God grant you Wisdom, Pilots. |
Corvus Seth
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Posted - 2008.08.21 21:51:00 -
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Dual-natured, is it? ... Well, it's not a new idea, certainly, but you seem to think of the forces (and I'm assuming for the sake of argument that there even are two of them) as being necessarily in opposition. Or perhaps I should say, antithetical.
Well, some people (Intaki and Achura come to mind) like to think that order and chaos, creation and destruction, life and death are not in opposition, but all are necessary elements of the great cycle which is Universe. This view on the universal harmony is quite fine, but it does not promote any action to change the existing state of things. Simplistic black-and-white schemes do it much better. No one will fight and die for the "great balance of untold number of complex things that form the world we live in".
Actually, now I'm tempted to slightly narrow the concept of "evil in human mind", the evil that produces suffering which, in turn, produces even more suffering.
It's Chaos. Random hormonal surges, differences in communication protocols, fatal errors in subconscience which surface in the moments of stress. А malformed psyche plunging its spikes and sharp edges into its surroundings. Most humans are psychopaths by nature, you see. It is the degree of insanity that differs between them.
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It's an interesting model you construct, Mr. Seth, but I don't think it reflects the world very well, and so will have trouble providing any workable approach to the future.
There are (and were) people much smarter than me, thousands of historical books available to us and much more than that lost forever. I think that a "workable approach to the future", a way to eliminate the destructive chaos from the human conscience, already exists. Jovians came quite close to that.
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If we all get branded as evil, "we" includes "you," pilot. Any backlash against the "evil" capsuleers in general is unlikely to be so kind and thoughtful as to distinguish the "good" from the "bad."
And when this finally happens, the capsuleers will be forced to either die out, or find the society with an uncommon cultural paradigm, the society which will readily accept as many of them as possible... For the price, of course. And keep in mind that none of the current major political entities would do that. They are quick to forget their bickerings when it comes to suppressing a real threat.
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You see a direction and mistake it for the destination.
I'm afraid that there is no destination. The existence of a species, even a sentient one, is finite. Even the existence of the universe is finite. In the end, there's only cold darkness. The direction is the destination.
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The path to immortality lies in the worship of God.
I dare to correct: "According to the Amarrian religious doctrine, the path to the immortality of the soul in the afterlife lies in the worship of God."
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Faith in God is the last, desperate refuge of weaker minds. It's time will come.
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Faith is never a refuge, and cannot be understood by the weak, of any race.
And this naturally leads us to conclusion, that there are two types of faith: the blind faith of the weak that is a refuge, and the conscious faith of the strong which
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transcends time and can unite diverse and myriad peoples in a common goal. Humanity is by nature disputatious and violent. Faith in something higher than ourselves gives us hope that by acting in a manner that is agreed upon as acceptable by our peers, we can become better than the base and bestial creature that would kill and destroy on a whim.
And that is exactly why I respect the Amarr. Dying for the Faith is so much better than dying for ISK. It's their plan that is flawed: the Faith alone cannot tame the beast of Chaos. You need more than that.
You need cold logic and science. And you need to understand that there is no God to help you - not to tame, but to destroy - the beast within. |
Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
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Posted - 2008.08.21 22:59:00 -
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Ahh, Pilot Seth. You see, I do not advocate the destruction of the beast within. It is the nature of the beast, the animal, that drives us to persevere. When the odds are stacked against us, and logic tells us that we cannot win, when math and numbers tell us victory or even survival is beyond our grasp, the animal drives us onward.
Lesharu, my child, was acquired from a most hideous set of circumstances. Logic would have told her long ago that there was an infinitesimal chance of her being released or saved. Simple numbers would have laid out the cold hard facts that she had almost no chance at all of ever knowing freedom, or release from bondage and pain. In fact, the numbers alone would have told her that it was statistically inevitable that she would be killed as all those that came before her had been in some sick sexual display. Yet the animal in her drove her onward. And I came, and she beat the odds. Logic would have told her to suicide years ago, rather than to suffer an almost certain lifetime of pain and agony and abuse. Yet here she is, well, and good, and happy, as she can be. Yes, she is scarred, but she is a fitting heir to my legacy, someday. And I have no doubt that she will go on and make herself great and will achieve much in her life.
Another example, sir. There is great suffering and pain in our universe, our cluster. Many of us, each day, rise and struggle to hold back that tide of agony, that wave of barbarism that would descend on us. From the pilots of the Ushra'Khan and Electus Matari, who fight and die for their freedoms, to the men and women that run the orphanages and boarding schools, to the doctors and nurses that labor each day to bring some good into this world. Logic tells us that it is inevitable that it will probably all be undone in one way or another after a time, and will be ultimately futile. But we fight all the same. We throw ourselves at that wall of hate and anger and fear and pain and suffering not because logic or reason tells us to, but because we BELIEVE that we can change it, we have FAITH in our actions, and their outcomes. Pilots fall, and crews die, and we fight on; children die and are abused, and we fight on; Patients die and are crippled, and we fight on.
The animal in us, the beast, will allow nothing else. It does not know of logic, or reason. It knows of Faith. The lion that hunts the plain knows not of reason or logic, it has faith that dinner will be caught. The fish in the sea knows nothing of science, but has faith that there will be a tomorrow. These base animals do not KNOW of it, but it is there all the same. Life is Faith. Faith in each other, faith in our governments, faith in our gods and religions, faith in the universe itself.
Do not get me wrong, science and logic and reason have their places, and they are of the most important building blocks of civilization and progress. But you cannot destroy the beast that resides in us, because where that beast dwells, so does faith. You just have to harness it, and direct it, and make it yours. Those who try to kill it, try to lock it out, destroy a part of themselves. They shun and turn away from self knowledge, and the first step to enlightenment is understanding oneself, and accepting that knowledge.
May God grant you wisdom Pilots, may He show you the way.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.22 01:02:00 -
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*The screen flickers, and pair of bird-bright black eyes set in a pallid, fine-boned Achur face peers through the camera lens at the viewer, amused incredulity etched into every feature*
Chaos? You'd seek to purge the human soul of chaos?
Oh, gods and spirits, pilot!
*oddly girlish laughter bubbles forth from her lips. The face recedes as she sits back, her legs curled beneath her, nearly lost in a black leather chair much too large for her tiny frame. Cutting her own amusement short, she addresses the camera seriously*
MISTER Seth, if this were even possible, how precisely would you expect the poor human-- or whatever sentient entity-- you subjected to such a treatment to survive it? You speak of the Jovians as a model for our efforts, yet by all accounts their efforts have, to a greater or lesser extent, doomed their race.
There's a reason we Achura consider chaos a necessary element, pilot, and that's because we're reasonably certain that "order" and "chaos" are both part of the self-same thing, and each contains the very seeds of the other. And the reason we don't try to change it is, we don't see that it needs to be changed. In fact, when people try, things get very bad.
If you are trying to accomplish something real, Mr. Seth, it behooves you to select the global model that bears the closest resemblance to reality. You yourself have described your dualistic model as "simplistic," so how exactly do you expect this vision to have a positive effect in a universe more complicated than it is?
*the woman sits farther forward as she speaks, fingers digging into the leather like claws, what remains of her amusement dissolving into a species of bitter intensity*
Listen to me, and listen well. Every truly dangerous, potentially annihilative societal pattern in this cluster can be traced to some fool seeing something really wrong with the way people live and think, and trying to "fix" us. It doesn't work. It never works. They always, without the slightest variation, get it wrong.
You're quite correct, pilot, that there are people cleverer than either of us who have attempted what you suggest, and this I assert: the farther they went and the closer they came to succeeding, the worse the results have been.
There are steps we can take, avenues we can pursue, but the dream of utopia, of whatever sort, is precisely that, and to attempt to bring it into this world is to draw nightmare along with it.
The humans are what they are; we are what we were made. There are other causes to concern us that have a chance of success, other pursuits worth fighting and dying for.
*her intensity spent, she slumps back into her chair*
... Let me know if you wish to discuss any of them, pilot. But an ideal ... with no reflection in reality ... cannot be made real by will or by innovation. Simple understanding cannot produce the desired effect upon complexity, and the understanding does not exist that is nuanced enough to produce what you desire.
There are real causes to pursue, pilot. What you want ... what you would have us try to do ... no lasting good will or can come of it.
*a small sigh escapes her lips*
End transmission.
Ghost Festival is recruiting! |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.22 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
The path to immortality lies in the worship of God.
That's exactly what They want you to think.
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Angelice
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.22 03:21:00 -
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Good and evil are subjective therefore there is no difference between an Amarr who acts out of faith to a Minmatar who follows their will. Both are acting correctly in their own minds, it is when judged by a third party that an impartial analysis of consequence can be undertaken.
The only permanence in the universe is change and that also applies to Gods.
Angelice
Infinity Enterprises
"To see the right and not to do it is cowardice." - Confucius
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Corvus Seth
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Posted - 2008.08.22 03:36:00 -
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Edited by: Corvus Seth on 22/08/2008 03:42:37
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You speak of the Jovians as a model for our efforts, yet by all accounts their efforts have, to a greater or lesser extent, doomed their race.
I'd like to note that it is not their efforts themselves that doomed their race, but a fatal error within them. The Jovian Disease is a result of the Jovians losing control over their experiments. The direction was good; the execution, failed. I am pretty sure that with proper research this was avoidable. At the very least, the spreading of the faulty genes within the Jovian population which followed the mistake was avoidable. They just got over-confident. It happens. After all, those ancient Jovians were closer to humans that the present-time ones.
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Listen to me, and listen well. Every truly dangerous, potentially annihilative societal pattern in this cluster can be traced to some fool seeing something really wrong with the way people live and think, and trying to "fix" us.
Really? Are there so many "annihilative social patterns" threating the cluster? The only really annihilative one I can think about that is not related to the insane capsuleers (*cough* Goons *cough*) is the gallentean popular culture. Seriously, even Blood Raiders and EoM are better than that.
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It doesn't work. It never works. They always, without the slightest variation, get it wrong.
Maybe - just maybe - it never works, because when all the "perfectly flawed common people" realize the imaginary threat (with the help of those who know better, of course), they quickly unite and happily beat the "fool who wants to fix them" into oblivion? No one likes to be fixed, you know. People FEAR being "fixed". They won't listen to any logical arguments when it comes to this, because all the childish nightmares within their heads cry "NOOOOO!!".
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You're quite correct, pilot, that there are people cleverer than either of us who have attempted what you suggest, and this I assert: the farther they went and the closer they came to succeeding, the worse the results have been.
I see only two examples of such endeavours that came really close to succeeding and which we are able to study to some degree (leaving mythical things like the Enheduanni aside). The first attempt produced the current Jovians. (Perhaps, we should also include the Sleepers in this list, but there's too little evidence left of them).... The second attempt was smashed so quickly and thoroughly that there is no telling now what it would evolve into if left as is. But it can yet be studied, its mysteries can be uncovered, and the humanity... Though I really doubt that the humanity can learn something from the tragic fate of the Nation, because they do not want to learn. They fear to learn and fear to change. But most of all, they fear to be changed.
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There are steps we can take, avenues we can pursue, but the dream of utopia, of whatever sort, is precisely that, and to attempt to bring it into this world is to draw nightmare along with it.
I disagree. And the nightmare... It is the question of the point of view, really. Most humans will consider a "nightmare" anything that deprives them of what they falsely think is their humanity. So, for someone, this is a Nightmare. For others, it's a masterpiece of (social) design and engineering... |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.22 04:39:00 -
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Mr. Seth ...
Well, the fact that the Gallente are all that you can come up with says a good deal, and actually sets my mind at ease with respect to both your odds and your broader appeal.
Regarding your response to my observation about the Jovians: yes, they made a mistake of some variety. They botched the job, and managed to do so in a way that somehow got distributed throughout their population.
"Oops."
So they had a largish problem, subtle enough to go unseen until it became impossible not to notice. You would clearly argue that this was an aberration; I would agree. I would argue further, however, that in transformations of that scope, aberrations are not aberrant. They are, in fact, the rule, and one that only becomes more absolute as the aims of the project become more ambitious.
This has been repeated so many times that it's become trite, but apparently it's failed to sink in, so I'll repeat it: control is a fiction. When you say that you're "in control" of something, what you really mean is that can strongly influence it. If you expect to be able to seize perfect control of something you understand imperfectly and have the results turn out to be what you expect, you're in for a very nasty surprise.
Attempts at controlling what is poorly understood are prone to unintended consequences, and the more poorly the topic is understood, the more inevitable those consequences become.
There's an entire area of mathematics (and has been for centuries) dedicated to the tendency of complex systems not to behave predictably. The more complex the system, the more likely it is that small factors will alter the outcome, causing the system to spiral out of "control." At a certain point (and I submit to you that your plans well surpass it), the probability of successful prediction of the outcome approaches zero. You'd think we'd have weather control systems by now, wouldn't you? Well, this is why we don't.
To put it in more mystical terms (and I take a good deal of pride in the proximity of my faith to the sciences we Achura favor), order contains within itself the seeds of chaos. Try to assert absolute order, and you'll reap its counterpart. "True" order is an idea, nothing more, and a rather hazardous one at that because it tends to prod people into thinking of it as a reachable, desirable goal, and trying to pursue it.
All that is real is compromised. Try to alter humanity, and you might well succeed-- but I doubt the result will be what you intend, even if it briefly looks that way.
If you wonder why people tend to be afraid of being "fixed," it's more than likely because they are very reasonably afraid that you'll mess it up. Which, if eliminating chaos from the human psyche is your aim, you will. This can be said to a statistical certainty.
Your knowledge isn't perfect enough. If it were, your perception wouldn't be broad enough. If it were, your control wouldn't be fine enough.
You're begging for a mess-- assuming, of course, that you actually get anywhere with this. Which, probably, you won't, and I pray to any deity willing to listen that this remains so.
Ghost Festival is recruiting! |
Corvus Seth
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Posted - 2008.08.22 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Corvus Seth on 22/08/2008 21:29:36
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Well, the fact that the Gallente are all that you can come up with says a good deal, and actually sets my mind at ease with respect to both your odds and your broader appeal.
The remark about the Gallente was merely a bad attempt to joke. Of course, I understand what you were talking about: the failure of the Immensea project and probably dozens of similar endeavours we do not know about, and, of course, the Sansha's Nation - though the Nation did not fail, it was destroyed. And the fall of Immensea illustrates exactly my point: the Formator went mad. He lost control over his own mind. His inner chaos consumed his sanity first, then the work of his life, and, in the end, his life itself, along with thousands of other lives.
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Attempts at controlling what is poorly understood are prone to unintended consequences, and the more poorly the topic is understood, the more inevitable those consequences become.
The answer is simple: to add the chance of unintended consequences to the equation. To be always ready for that proverbial zombie furrier clawing at the doors of your laboratory and hissing "Food! More food!". Backup each step and backup that backup twice with an autonomous power source. If the living god went mad, have a detachment of emotionless guards ready to quickly send the living god to his heaven, and a tiny button to be pressed afterwards so these guards are no more. If there's a chance of genetical experiment failure, grow a specimen, then dozen, then 100, and watch their progeny for several generations before letting the pattern to spread. And so on. Because if you are overconfident, you have already lost.
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You'd think we'd have weather control systems by now, wouldn't you? Well, this is why we don't.
But we have dams and drainage to prevent flooding, grounding and lightning protection, orbital observation and warning systems, the list goes on. Actually, weather control is, in theory, possible; it is just extremely impractical (power consumption, immense amounts of construction involved), to alter the atmosphere circulation on global scale. But it is achievable, as is terraforming. Lightning rods are just cheaper...
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All that is real is compromised. Try to alter humanity, and you might well succeed-- but I doubt the result will be what you intend, even if it briefly looks that way.
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You're begging for a mess-- assuming, of course, that you actually get anywhere with this. Which, probably, you won't, and I pray to any deity willing to listen that this remains so.
We'll see. I plan to start with research of what remains of Sansha's Nation; as we speak, my ship orbits the blue sun of Keberz, awaiting the right moment to jump past pirate blockades in HED-GP. The challenge of playing cat-and-mouse with the local gangs operating on NBSI principle is great, but so is the joy of uncovering the true legacy of Sansha's genius, of setting my foot on the planets where the Nation once flourished, of proving false the blatant lies of imperial propaganda. I am well prepared and know what I'm facing in Stain.
One day I'll return to show the truth to the world.
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.08.22 22:42:00 -
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So be it.
You have picked a fitting place to begin your quest, Mr. Seth: the conflagration the last great utopian thinker of this age left behind him. To douse that flame forever is one of the few true services to humanity as a whole left within reach for me and mine.
Much as I would 'twere otherwise, we will most likely not be ready to move before your studies are concluded. So learn, if there is anything worthwhile for you to see, there, and perhaps you will emerge a wiser man than you were when you entered.
If that is not the case, no option will remain but to visit upon you the annihilation you invite.
You can never take adequate precautions for this, Mr. Seth, and you cannot be trusted to judge the worth of your own creations. If you think you can perfectly isolate your work, hold it apart from the universe of which it is, necessarily, a part, you have understood nothing I have said.
And in seeing that, I cannot trust your judgment on the success or failure of your work, either.
So-- we shall see, indeed. We will see whether you will learn why this project is doomed, and so end it, or whether others will have to end it for you before we reap the consequences of your arrogance.
Of course, it is to be hoped that you are simply a fool, one with neither the vision nor the ability to succeed even partially in your aims. But we can't very well take that chance, can we?
Run your experiments, Mr. Seth. We will be waiting for you when you return.
Ghost Festival is recruiting! |
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Zarkahesh
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.23 04:20:00 -
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Only when all the people of the cluster are united under one God, one Emperor, and one Empire shall we ever see an end to war and suffering. There is no other way. |
Devilish Ledoux
Caldari
Ledoux Holdings
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Posted - 2008.08.23 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zarkahesh
Only when all the people of the cluster are united under one God, one Emperor, and one Empire shall we ever see an end to war and suffering. There is no other way.
Yes, because the Amarrians never fight amongst themselves.
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