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Originally by: Xerii Raor
If you would please stick to the topic at hand and leave out such rude commentary, I would be appreciative.

You are awful sensitive for someone who likes annoying others. Because someone uses another medium to return to you the same thing you supposed enjoy doesn't make them rude, just poetic.

Originally by: Xerii Raor
By completely negating any profits gains from my competition, it forces them to switch to more marketable items. Thus putting less pressure on the item at hand. Has anyone else used this tactic to such success?

Okay, now we have a topic (finally!). This tactic is very good but, as someone has already pointed out, it works best when another person starts it and follows through. I have no problem destroying a market so that I can rebuild it. But I love it when someone else destroys a market so that I can rebuild it.

If you sell low enough, I'll buy you out and relist. If you buy high enough, I'll fill your order from the lower priced stock I have already collected. The only way you are ever going to defeat a trader like me, and succeed in griefing, is if you are willing to monitor your one item for months. And I mean 6 months or more.

I'm patient, diverse, and fluid.

And, more importantly, I've reached the point where I don't need to make isk from trade to support myself. So, play scorched earth with the market for all I'd care. I like the isk but between us I'm sure you need profit more than I'll ever need it.

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Xerii Raor	Posted - 2008.08.21 20:33:00 - [1] Sometimes when I see a battle of people over/undercutting each other by .01 isk, I purposely put buy/sell orders very close to each other just to cut into their profits. Of course by doing this I make very little myself (just enough to cover the listing fee), but I enjoy the thought of how much I'm angering my fellow marketeers.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.21 20:42:00 - [2] And this week's most useless thread goes to... ... To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
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Xerii Raor	Posted - 2008.08.21 23:51:00 - [8] I would appreciate it if you would all stop trolling my thread, so that we can discuss this as a valid market manipulation tactic.

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.08.22 00:20:00 - [9] Cleaned. Any further off-topic posts will incur warnings. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Special Agent Mitnal; Saving the forums one thread at a time!

Pax Empyrean	Posted - 2008.08.22 00:20:00 - [10] Edited by: Pax Empyrean on 22/08/2008 00:21:15 Valid tactic for what? Annoying others? Well, uhh... good for you, I guess. You can turn your money into a tiny bit more money? Congratulations. Quote: I would appreciate it if you would all stop trolling my thread Why not? Isn't bothering others for no reason what this thread is meant to celebrate? Personally, I think it's funny.

Kushion Anti Sweden Defense Force Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.08.22 00:23:00 - [11] posting a thread like this is like going to Crime & punishment forum and saying, "Hey, I shoot people because I enjoy it. Anyone want to discuss this valid tactic?" This may come as a surprise to you, but this isn't the first time a thread like this has been made. So yes, you're awesome, we're impressed, you're probably the first person to ever do something like this in the entire history of eve, etc. -- Taggart Transdimensional corporation - \| Capitalism \| Objectivism \| 0.0 \| No taxes \| No mandatory ops \| Join channel TAGGART for more
Xerii Raor	Posted - 2008.08.22 01:03:00 - [12] Destroying the competitions profits and irking them seems like a tactic to me. Do you disagree?
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.22 01:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Xerii Raor Destroying the competitions profits and irking them seems like a tactic to me. Do you disagree? It is an outcome. You've only expressed your liking for doing a particular something so I guess the topic of this thread is "Gee willickers I'm uber annoying and not complete unless I add some visual ************ for others to see". Of course if you want to talk about something... then talk. Stop whining if no one takes your non-topic thread seriously. Fail, end of thread. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Xerii Raor	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:03:00 - [14] Originally by: Shar Tegral Of course if you want to talk about something... then talk. Stop whining if no one takes your non-topic thread seriously. Fail, end of thread. If you would please stick to the topic at hand and leave out such rude commentary, I would be appreciative. By completely negating any profits gains from my competition, it forces them to switch to more marketable items. Thus putting less pressure on the item at hand. Has anyone else used this tactic to such success?
Letias Caldari Poofdinkles	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Xerii Raor Has anyone else used this tactic to such success? Wait a sec.. _____________________________ Originally by: Damini Frostmane Sex isn't sex unless one of you is crying afterwards :-)
Athre Minmatar The Higher Standard	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:31:00 - [16] Originally by: Xerii Raor If you would please stick to the topic at hand and leave out such rude commentary, I would be appreciative. By completely negating any profits gains from my competition, it forces them to switch to more marketable items. Thus putting less pressure on the item at hand. Has anyone else used this tactic to such success? The topic at hand? lets see in post 1 Originally by: Xerii Raor I enjoy the thought of how much I'm angering my fellow marketeers. I believe this is what the topic is about no? Your enjoyment of market pvp. You then go on to say Originally by: Xerii Raor stop trolling my thread, so that we can discuss this as a valid market manipulation tactic Ah there it is, you state that you want to talk about this one particular method when the title is about market griefing. Maybe if you consider everyone has their own opinion on what Market Griefing is and their own enjoyment which may or may not include your particular brand of griefing. Most tend to not share their secrets so if their method of how to stay on top of the market included their own brand of market PVP, its highly unlikely they will talk about it here.
CornerStoner	Posted - 2008.08.22 02:34:00 - [17] Originally by: Xerii Raor Sometimes when I see a battle of people over/undercutting each other by .01 isk, I purposely put buy/sell orders very close to each other just to cut into their profits. Of course by doing this I make very little myself (just enough to cover the listing fee), but I enjoy the thought of how much I'm angering my fellow marketeers. Well... Your idea of trading = being annoying. My idea of trading = making as much profit as possible. Besides there are many ways of countering traders like you...easily. p.s. this topic sucks and is not valid
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Joey Meow MURAKAMI INDUSTRIES	Posted - 2008.08.22 04:42:00 - [19] I never fall for something like that, if you sell too cheaply I will just buy out all your crap and resell it for profit.
Mossreach	Posted - 2008.08.22 05:49:00 - [20] You're probably doing them a favor, and not griefing them. Most folks long term goal in playing the 0.01 game is to make their competitor(s) move off to a different product. You're accelerating that process for them, by moving directly to the ultra-low profit portion of the price war and generously soaking up and opportunity cost of doing so. One of the best times for trading is often after someone such as yourself drops or raises prices by a massive amount, as it clears out all the casual bidders in that item. This "profit margin flush"(tm) is a useful tool. Even more so when it's not you having to pay for it. So really you're griefing yourself, unless you have a longer term agenda for that product.

kickan min	Posted - 2008.08.22 07:46:00 - [21] Quote: One of the best times for trading is often after someone such as yourself drops or raises prices by a massive amount, as it clears out all the casual bidders in that item. This "profit margin flush"(tm) is a useful tool. Even more so when it's not you having to pay for it. This
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Pax Empyrean	Posted - 2008.08.22 13:40:00 - [23] Quote: If you would please stick to the topic at hand and leave out such rude commentary, I would be appreciative. You made a thread to celebrate yourself griefing others, and now you're asking others not to do such rude things to you? Why don't you cry some more? Your hypocrisy is just fantastic. The ironic thing here is that you're not really even doing much to hurt other traders since they can just move on to other goods, and you're actually helping the mission runners by offering them higher prices. As a griefing attempt, it's pretty much pure fail.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.22 13:41:00 - [24] Originally by: Xerii Raor If you would please stick to the topic at hand and leave out such rude commentary, I would be appreciative. You are awful sensitive for someone who likes annoying others. Because someone uses another medium to return to you the same thing you supposed enjoy doesn't make them rude, just poetic. Originally by: Xerii Raor By completely negating any profits gains from my competition, it forces them to switch to more marketable items. Thus putting less pressure on the item at hand. Has anyone else used this tactic to such success? Okay, now we have a topic (finally!). This tactic is very good but, as someone has already pointed out, it works best when another person starts it and follows through. I have no problem destroying a market so that I can rebuild it. But I love it when someone else destroys a market so that I can rebuild it. If you sell low enough, I'll buy you out and relist. If you buy high enough, I'll fill your order from the lower priced stock I have already collected. The only way you are ever going to defeat a trader like me, and succeed in griefing, is if you are willing to monitor your one item for months. And I mean 6 months or more. I'm patient, diverse, and fluid. And, more importantly, I've reached the point where I don't need to make isk from trade to support myself. So, play scorched earth with the market for all I'd care. I like the isk but between us I'm sure you need profit more than I'll ever need it. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Absimi Liard Gallente Confederate Miners Union of Eve space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:15:00 - [25] I used to like crashing markets. Now I prefer to sell directly to the traders and let them crash the markets. (or at least I hope they're crashing the markets) Truth is the folks I'd rather grief are the missioners, but they're a step away from me in the ISK-chain so I let my customers grief them. -abs
Roguehalo Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:15:00 - [26] ops a total noob. you don't trash the market to grief people you do it to make oodles of iskies.
Pax Empyrean	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:26:00 - [27] Quote: If you sell low enough, I'll buy you out and relist. If you buy high enough, I'll fill your order from the lower priced stock I have already collected. The only way you are ever going to defeat a trader like me, and succeed in griefing, is if you are willing to monitor your one item for months. And I mean 6 months or more. I'm patient, diverse, and fluid. You can't beat Shar Tegral in market PvP, because Shar Tegral is made of lightning! You're trying to dump goods and cut profit margins, but he's already a hundred miles away son, ready to strike! Man, I've seen too many car insurance commercials. :)
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2008.08.22 14:48:00 - [28] Originally by: Pax Empyrean Man, I've seen too many car insurance commercials. :) Indeed you have. To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean.
Mistress Luck	Posted - 2008.08.22 17:12:00 - [29] I wouldnt use up my precious buy/sell orders doing this. Would much rather just find an item I can make some money on and use them up there. What I have done a few times though is a bit more time consuming and petty. If there is another buyer outbidding me by 0.01 isk increments in a low daily volume commodity, and he places a buy order for a large amount of the item, then I start shopping around in the rest of empire. If I manage to find the item cheaper elsewhere then I will buy up as much of it as I can, move it over to the region the other trader is in, fill out his entire order giving me a small profit, and list all the leftover stock I have at a price that would force the other guy to sell at a marginal loss. I only do this for items that normally have a fairly low volume, so I can imagine him looking at that stock for weeks on end. If he really ****ed me off as well I will take a nice tour of the region dropping off the item at out of the way stations all over the place and thus making sure he cant just pick them all up easily and move them over to another region for resale. I save that for special occasions though when I am feeling particularly petty. On occasion I have also moved stock to out of the way low sec systems to sell to someone who decided to up the price substantially with a region wide buy order. I smile a little inside when I do that.
Digital Anarchist Minmatar	Posted - 2008.08.22 18:51:00 - [30] I may be speaking for the minority here, but... I'd be very happy if everyone would just undercut me by 0.01 isk. Anyway, price sniping is the market's way of telling you to drop prices faster. ------------------------ This space for rent

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