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Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.02 16:55:00 - [1111] Originally by: Drunk Driver Isk seller........ That's the best you fan boys can do? Seems like the logical conclusion to me, for someone trying to discredit anyone arguing for balancing hisec. It sure as hell came to my mind faster than the 'pirate revenge thread' did. First anti reply, and I thought 'wow, that's probably someone who either sells isk or buys it from an isk seller'. Now, if more people posted with 'Gar, get me more victims!' That's when I think 'pirate revenge'. But there are sure a lot of 'PvP is bad, m'kay' going on from the other side. Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 16:58:00 - [1112] Originally by: Drunk Driver Boring........ Try again. . No I'm having fun. Need that price quote. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Judge Ment Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:01:00 - [1113] This has to be the best thread in general, I brings all the trolls
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:02:00 - [1114] Originally by: Judge Ment This has to be the best thread in general, I brings all the trolls Yes, yes it does Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:07:00 - [1115] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Drunk Driver Isk seller........ That's the best you fan boys can do? Seems like the logical conclusion to me, for someone trying to discredit anyone arguing for balancing hisec. It sure as hell came to my mind faster than the 'pirate revenge thread' did. First anti reply, and I thought 'wow, that's probably someone who either sells isk or buys it from an isk seller'. Now, if more people posted with 'Gar, get me more victims!' That's when I think 'pirate revenge'. But there are sure a lot of 'PvP is bad, m'kay' going on from the other side. Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please. And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted. .
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:09:00 - [1116] Originally by: Drunk Driver [linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]. Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:18:00 - [1117] Edited by: Drunk Driver on 02/09/2008 17:18:34 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Drunk Driver [linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]. Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything. Please go right ahead. I never feel a thing when they look at my computer variables. PIRATE REVENGE THREAD GOES ON! .
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:21:00 - [1118] Originally by: Le Skunk Originally by: Exlegion Is this how you try and gain support? By lying? It shows that in order to sell your own ideas you have to smudge them with lies. I've lost lots of ships during my 3+ years in Eve and you bring up a loss from years ago to claim it's why I stand behind my own ideas? Ok ill call you out - wheres the links to these pvp losses. SKUNK Ive noticed you have ignored this ? After calling me a lier youve suddenly gone all coy? Te remind you - I stated you getting ganked in your faction mission whoring raven in motsu whilst wardecced was such a shock to your system you have thereafter sought to pacify the game, and have trolled any threads you felt were "pirate" orientated. You claimed to have lost "lots of ships" and say the kill has nothing to do with anything. Battleclininc however, show you with .... 4 losses. And the earliest loss it shows you with was.... a mission running faction raven in motsu under a wardec. But I realise battleclinic isnt that good an indicator of pvp losses, so I asked you for a link to evidence of this pvp you supposedly engage in. If you cant show it.... well it will pretty much look like i was right. SKUNK
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:30:00 - [1119] Originally by: Drunk Driver Edited by: Drunk Driver on 02/09/2008 17:18:34 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Drunk Driver [linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]. Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything. Please go right ahead. I never feel a thing when they look at my computer variables. PIRATE REVENGE THREAD GOES ON! . While your at it, feel free to check my records and security stats, and verify whether or not I am a pirate. Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:32:00 - [1120] Le Skunk, Let me talk to you in a way you can better understand, because obviously intelligently isn't one way. You're a babbling idiot. You want to find out how many times I've lost ships look it up yourself! I don't care whether my losses appear on killboards or not. To be honest, I don't keep track. I'm not a killboard ***** either. Sue me. Suffice it to say I lost my last ship in Tamo a couple of weeks ago helping some local pirates fight off another pirate gang. Yes, I know. A little weird, but I figured it'd be fun and in the end work to my interest in the long run. Can't remember the pirate corp, but Borasu is in it. Look it up and ask them if you feel so inclined to do so. You know, some of us don't have to lie to make a point. Unfortunately, you make a habit out of it and it's just such a waste of your time and mine. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr

Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:38:00 - [1121] Originally by: Exlegion Le Skunk, Let me talk to you in a way you can better understand, because obviously intelligently isn't one way. You're a babbling idiot. You want to find out how many times I've lost ships look it up yourself! I don't care whether my losses appear on killboards or not. To be honest, I don't keep track. I'm not a killboard ***** either. Sue me. Suffice it to say I lost my last ship in Tamo a couple of weeks ago helping some local pirates fight off another pirate gang. Yes, I know. A little weird, but I figured it'd be fun and in the end work to my interest in the long run. Can't remember the pirate corp, but Borasu is in it. Look it up and ask them if you feel so inclined to do so. You know, some of us don't have to lie to make a point. Unfortunately, you make a habit out of it and it's just such a waste of your time and mine. Why aren't you helping your alliance fight for your space? Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Drunk Driver Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:48:00 - [1122] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Drunk Driver Edited by: Drunk Driver on 02/09/2008 17:18:34 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Drunk Driver [linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]. Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything. Please go right ahead. I never feel a thing when they look at my computer variables. PIRATE REVENGE THREAD GOES ON! . While your at it, feel free to check my records and security stats, and verify whether or not I am a pirate. That means nothing. You could have multiple accounts with multiple characters. No one would know except you and CCP. .
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:50:00 - [1123] Originally by: Drunk Driver [linebreak][linebreak]That means nothing.[linebreak][linebreak]You could have multiple accounts with multiple characters. No one would know except you and CCP.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]. Good point. Better make sure the GMs look at all of your accounts. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:52:00 - [1124] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Exlegion Le Skunk, Let me talk to you in a way you can better understand, because obviously intelligently isn't one way. You're a babbling idiot. You want to find out how many times I've lost ships look it up yourself! I don't care whether my losses appear on killboards or not. To be honest, I don't keep track. I'm not a killboard ***** either. Sue me. Suffice it to say I lost my last ship in Tamo a couple of weeks ago helping some local pirates fight off another pirate gang. Yes, I know. A little weird, but I figured it'd be fun and in the end work to my interest in the long run. Can't remember the pirate corp, but Borasu is in it. Look it up and ask them if you feel so inclined to do so. You know, some of us don't have to lie to make a point. Unfortunately, you make a habit out of it and it's just such a waste of your time and mine. Why aren't you helping your alliance fight for your space? Don't see how this fits in to this debate, other than to discredit me in some way, but I'll entertain your question. I switch characters between low and 0.0 sec. During PVP ops I'm around TVN (not with Exlegion) although lately, and since TVN was sieged by Tri I've moved my character to Y0. When the Hydra gang numbers are low I switch to Exlegion to mission in low sec. Mind you, during this time corp tax was set to 100%. So even with Exlegion I'm still helping for the war cause. Any other question you'd like to distract from the topic? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:53:00 - [1125] Originally by: Exlegion I switch characters between low and 0.0 sec. During PVP ops I'm around TVN (not with Exlegion) although lately, and since TVN was sieged by Tri I've moved my character to Y0. When the Hydra gang numbers are low I switch to Exlegion to mission in low sec. Mind you, during this time corp tax was set to 100%. So even with Exlegion I'm still helping for the war cause. Any other question you'd like to distract from the topic? Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:54:00 - [1126] Edited by: Exlegion on 02/09/2008 17:56:15 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Exlegion I switch characters between low and 0.0 sec. During PVP ops I'm around TVN (not with Exlegion) although lately, and since TVN was sieged by Tri I've moved my character to Y0. When the Hydra gang numbers are low I switch to Exlegion to mission in low sec. Mind you, during this time corp tax was set to 100%. So even with Exlegion I'm still helping for the war cause. Any other question you'd like to distract from the topic? Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads. Tamo isn't high sec. Again, EXLEGION LIVES IN LOW SEC. And yes, I do rat in 0.0 with my other character. but I happen to enjoy missions as well. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:55:00 - [1127] Originally by: Drunk Driver Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Drunk Driver Edited by: Drunk Driver on 02/09/2008 17:18:34 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Drunk Driver [linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]. Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything. Please go right ahead. I never feel a thing when they look at my computer variables. PIRATE REVENGE THREAD GOES ON! . While your at it, feel free to check my records and security stats, and verify whether or not I am a pirate. That means nothing. You could have multiple accounts with multiple characters. No one would know except you and CCP. . Like you and you macro acounts and your ISK selling alts, you mean? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:56:00 - [1128] Originally by: Drunk Driver Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Drunk Driver Edited by: Drunk Driver on 02/09/2008 17:18:34 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Drunk Driver [linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]Petition me as an isk seller. Go ahead. Please.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]And this IS a pirate revenge thread. My guess is I'll find you've also geared up your forum rants AFTER the empire security changes were posted.[linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak][linebreak]. Good idea. Think I will petition you and see if the GMs find anything. Please go right ahead. I never feel a thing when they look at my computer variables. PIRATE REVENGE THREAD GOES ON! . While your at it, feel free to check my records and security stats, and verify whether or not I am a pirate. That means nothing. You could have multiple accounts with multiple characters. No one would know except you and CCP. . And as I hope many others see, the response you made in your defense against being termed a macro user or isk seller/buyer, is as fallible as mine made about not being a pirate. I'm not a pirate, but all you have to go on is my actions. I could have alts. I could have other motivations. I could not. Any argument meant to declare me a pirate is based off assumptions and not facts, and the only real intent is to further derail an argument that you don't seem to agree on, without giving a reasoning. Libel and lies, I declare, and I challenge you to prove me wrong. In the meanwhile, I'm just trying to call you out and draw more quotes and words from you, in order to further paint your aggressive and persistent campaign against this discussion in the light that it should be under ... nothing more than someone acting as a troll. Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:56:00 - [1129] Edited by: Ki An on 02/09/2008 17:56:28 Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Ki An Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads. Tamo isn't high sec. And yes, I do rat in 0.0 with my other character. but I happen to enjoy missions as well. Sorry 'bout that. Low sec. However, is that really worth your time? I hear that pirates probe you out 100% of the time there. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 17:59:00 - [1130] Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 02/09/2008 17:56:28 Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Ki An Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads. Tamo isn't high sec. And yes, I do rat in 0.0 with my other character. but I happen to enjoy missions as well. Sorry 'bout that. Low sec. However, is that really worth your time? I hear that pirates probe you out 100% of the time there. Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night. Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr

Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:01:00 - [1131] Originally by: Exlegion Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night. Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? No no, you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just amazed how someone is actually able to survive in low sec, what with everyone saying "going to low sec is instant death" and "pirates always find you and kill you if you run missions there". Glad you have found a way to avoid that. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:02:00 - [1132] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Exlegion Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night. Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? No no, you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just amazed how someone is actually able to survive in low sec, what with everyone saying "going to low sec is instant death" and "pirates always find you and kill you if you run missions there". Glad you have found a way to avoid that. Wait, people go to losec for missions?!?! I thought losec was for PvP? Ruze Ashkor'Murkon Security File
Ki An Gallente The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:04:00 - [1133] Originally by: Ruze Wait, people go to losec for missions?!?! I thought losec was for PvP? I KNOW, RIGHT? Amazing. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:06:00 - [1134] Originally by: Exlegion Le Skunk, Let me talk to you in a way you can better understand, because obviously intelligently isn't one way. You're a babbling idiot. You want to find out how many times I've lost ships look it up yourself! I don't care whether my losses appear on killboards or not. To be honest, I don't keep track. I'm not a killboard ***** either. Sue me. Suffice it to say I lost my last ship in Tamo a couple of weeks ago helping some local pirates fight off another pirate gang. Yes, I know. A little weird, but I figured it'd be fun and in the end work to my interest in the long run. Can't remember the pirate corp, but Borasu is in it. Look it up and ask them if you feel so inclined to do so. You know, some of us don't have to lie to make a point. Unfortunately, you make a habit out of it and it's just such a waste of your time and mine. So without evidence to the contrary, and due to you "not keeping track" or of any losses, we have battleclinic being our sole source of evidence. We are to presume that your mission running faction raven WAS your first pvp loss of significance. I remember the first big loss I had in - some guy called eddiee something that blew up my iteron. I was hauling tobacco and was astounded that the sentry guns didnt kill him. I remember swearing revenge. Of course then I got seriously into pvp, and it lost it relevance. It is reasonable, given what we know of pvp in this game - that your first ganking did have an effect on you - your subsequent avoidance of pvp helped it keep its relevance- and sent you to the forums to troll any "pirate" thread you can find. Including the two your currently trolling now. TLDR: Im not a lier, I have given evidence. You have none. Your a troll. Pipe down. SKUNK
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:07:00 - [1135] Originally by: Ki An No no, you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just amazed how someone is actually able to survive in low sec, what with everyone saying "going to low sec is instant death" and "pirates always find you and kill you if you run missions there". Glad you have found a way to avoid that. Low sec isn't for everyone, especially to players that don't have the time. It takes alot of logistics and preparation to run missions there. And mining is almost impossible where the decent ores are. And if probes start zero'ing in on you while missioning, you may spend hours lost, sometimes days, waiting for pirates to give up. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:10:00 - [1136] Originally by: Le Skunk So without evidence to the contrary, and due to you "not keeping track" or of any losses, we have battleclinic being our sole source of evidence. We are to presume that your mission running faction raven WAS your first pvp loss of significance. I remember the first big loss I had in - some guy called eddiee something that blew up my iteron. I was hauling tobacco and was astounded that the sentry guns didnt kill him. I remember swearing revenge. Of course then I got seriously into pvp, and it lost it relevance. It is reasonable, given what we know of pvp in this game - that your first ganking did have an effect on you - your subsequent avoidance of pvp helped it keep its relevance- and sent you to the forums to troll any "pirate" thread you can find. Including the two your currently trolling now. TLDR: Im not a lier, I have given evidence. You have none. Your a troll. Pipe down. SKUNK You're an idiot. One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Malcanis RuffRyders Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:12:00 - [1137] Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 02/09/2008 17:56:28 Originally by: Exlegion Originally by: Ki An Yes. Why are you running missions in high sec? Wouldn't you make a lot more isk if you just ratted behind the lines in 0.0? I mean, that's what you've been saying all along in the "nerf lvl4" threads. Tamo isn't high sec. And yes, I do rat in 0.0 with my other character. but I happen to enjoy missions as well. Sorry 'bout that. Low sec. However, is that really worth your time? I hear that pirates probe you out 100% of the time there. Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night. Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? Previous comments aside, full respect for you in earning your ISK in a risky fashion. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Spurty Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:13:00 - [1138] When I was running missions, I kept getting killed by some guy called 'Super Twinkey69'. He's now my FC. Missions + low sec = negative wallet for the mission runner. Missions in low sec, just completely awful experience. Missions are a big part of EVE, rendering them moronic due to interference from other players breaks a bigger part of EVE than PVP sadly. EVE would continue to exist if PVP vanished. However, if carebears vanished, EVE would rapidly dry up and die. Its a dirty secret. Man goes to the doc, with a strawberry growing out of his head. Doc says "I'll give you some cream to put on it."
Dionisius Gallente Vagabundos	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:15:00 - [1139] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Exlegion Again, I LIKE MISSIONING. And yes, I get probed out, but if I see probes on my scanner I dock and switch to a different character or just log out for the night. Is this to your liking? Do you approve of what I do? Am I doing it wrong? No no, you're not doing anything wrong. I'm just amazed how someone is actually able to survive in low sec, what with everyone saying "going to low sec is instant death" and "pirates always find you and kill you if you run missions there". Glad you have found a way to avoid that. Right he isn't doing anything wrong, he just has to either switch characters or NOT PLAY AT ALL in order to survive in low sec. Geeee thats... well , pretty sad. _____________________________________
Exlegion New Light Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.02 18:18:00 - [1140] Originally by: Ruze Wait, people go to losec for missions?!?! I thought losec was for PvP? WTF are you even arguing here now? This thread is so beyond its OP. It's now about me and running missions in low sec \o/. I'll say it again. I run missions in low sec because I CHOOSE TO. I don't have agendas like some of you. The only thing I go to high sec for is to resupply on ammo and losses. But I also RESPECT THE PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC. You see, unlike some of you, I have no hidden agendas. I'm not personally benefitting from what happens in high sec. But I do want to see Eve move forward and improve. And I know that the high sec players pay their monthly fee which in turn helps the game over all. I respect their playstyle and accept it as valid. I'm not better than the high sec player. I'm not "guttsier" or have bigger balls because I operate in low sec/0.0. I'm not superior to them in any way. They're the same as I am. No better no less. They just platy the game a little different than I do. And good for them. See the difference? One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr

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