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Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:49:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits. I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply. Are you wanting us to distribute technitium to everybody instead of using the money it generates to fund ship replacement? I honestly can't figure out what you're getting at.
I want yours and everyone's members to make that call. Goons may do it right to start but in the end it needs to be the members that decide if they want to do the thing that gets the goo to make the SRF or make good ole boys rich. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:49:00 -
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you're saying some crap about distributing the 4.7 million units of technetium pumped out by our moons every month among 2000 members
"here's your 270m stipend ahahahah try not to lose more than a couple maelstroms this month" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:51:00 -
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also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2132
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:53:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits. I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply. Are you wanting us to distribute technitium to everybody instead of using the money it generates to fund ship replacement? I honestly can't figure out what you're getting at. I want yours and everyone's members to make that call. Goons may do it right to start but in the end it needs to be the members that decide if they want to do the thing that gets the goo to make the SRF or make good ole boys rich.
It would be literally ******** to distribute wealth that way. Plus why would I want to have to ship my monthly allotment of tech to Jita every month to have the money to buy ships when my alliance is willing to do it for me?
As for other alliances...people need to stop being sheep. If you are part of a nullsec alliance that makes money from moon goo and they don't have basic things like ship replacement or make you set your alarm clock for fleets then don't stay in that alliance. Idiots making a ton of money by RMTing alliance assets are only able to do so because their minions allow it. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:55:00 -
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Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that"
That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2132
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:56:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members
No it's for individual members to decide. If you don't like how your alliance's wealth is used then don't remain a member of that alliance.
This is not a difficult concept. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:59:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members No it's for individual members to decide. If you don't like how your alliance's wealth is used then don't remain a member of that alliance. This is not a difficult concept.
Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:02:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members
it benefits the non-participating nullbear types who do not go on fleets and opt to do nothing but run anoms for the purpose of getting bigger ships to run anoms in just as much as it benefits the dudes who actually get in fleet to defend our assets
i can assure you that this kind of policy would be wildly unpopular in any alliance "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2132
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:04:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in.
lol...alliances that try to run as a democracy usually fall apart rather quickly. Space Communism is the way to go.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:08:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in.
they said nothing about removing the moon mining mechanic, balancing moon minerals or literally anything that will stop technetium from being retardedly broken
space rocks that you mine for moon minerals with a ship would do nothing to solve the problem because it's a useless shotgun approach and it'd probably just make technetium go down to 50-90k isk/unit, which is still far more than the market value of neodymium (which would also hit rock-bottom)
i.e. we'd still milk tech moons and fight hostile titan fleets over them "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members it benefits the non-participating nullbear types who do not go on fleets and opt to do nothing but run anoms for the purpose of getting bigger ships to run anoms in just as much as it benefits the dudes who actually get in fleet to defend our assets i can assure you that this kind of policy would be wildly unpopular in any alliance
Better hope its not unpopular as once moon goo becomes fishing goo you will be without a good chunk of your funds. Yet atleast if the ship fund goes down it will because the members decided it. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in. they said nothing about removing the moon mining mechanic, balancing moon minerals or literally anything that will stop technetium from being retardedly broken space rocks that you mine for moon minerals with a ship would do nothing to solve the problem because it's a useless shotgun approach and it'd probably just make technetium go down to 50-90k isk/unit, which is still far more than the market value of neodymium (which would also hit rock-bottom) i.e. we'd still milk tech moons and fight hostile titan fleets over them
Yes if you would watch the presentation again you will note his comparison of tech moons to ATMs spewing money. He would not have said that unless they plan on removing moon goo.
And value of tech all depends on how easy it is to find in fishing expeditions, how hard it is to bot for said expeditions, and how much war is affecting ability to go on said fishing expeditions across most or all of territory. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:12:00 -
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literally nothing that you do to technetium short of an across-the-board rebalancing of moon minerals accompanied by substantial changes to moon mining mechanics would solve the problem as it exists today
throwing more tech moons (or tech sources) into the game would just make neodymium the new bottleneck. R32 alchemy is the only worthwhile bandaid solution. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:13:00 -
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IIRC they compared R&D agents to ATMs spewing money "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:IIRC they compared R&D agents to ATMs spewing money
If I weren't so tired I would find the video of it and point it out however when he pointed out the moon reference he got a large applause from the crowd.
I distinctly heard moon mining and I doubt the crowd cares about agents that much in comparison. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:39:00 -
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Andski wrote:it benefits the non-participating nullbear types who do not go on fleets and opt to do nothing but run anoms for the purpose of getting bigger ships to run anoms in just as much as it benefits the dudes who actually get in fleet to defend our assets
i can assure you that this kind of policy would be wildly unpopular in any alliance Yes, if people are going to specialize in making money, they should contribute. Similarly those who get on fleets (though TBH so many blueballs) should recieve at least enough to keep them rolling in the (appropriate and reimbursement-approved) fitted ships.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
That said, I really need to work on getting blown up more, I seem to have a great knack for going on blueball ops. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Endeavour Starfleet
752
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:35:00 -
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Ok lets have a discussion about Moon goo instead of countless crap about the CSM.
Yes moon mining going buh bye! Discuss... |
Nambr1
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:23:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lexmana wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. Source? https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large Majority of bots in Caldari highsec. These are the true highsec ATMs. ahahaha pubbies actually thought that the majority of bots were in null so dumb
Same as yesterday. Over 150 000 npcs killed in Deklein. So goons are not valid to blame others for using bots. |
El Geo
Pathfinders. Mining For Profit Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:11:00 -
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personally i dont think moon goo will be made freely available in highsec via belts, maybe a small amount in lowsec and some higher amounts in nullsec and w-space would make sense, but yeah, keep selling that goo
what do you think a good price to start buying neod and tech for the inevitable spike? |
Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:38:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: It illustrates what the players who participated in the Summer of Rage are capable of.
Remember during the summer of rage when CCP brought the CSM to Iceland for an emergency meeting? If players unsubbing was the only thing responsible for all these great changes that meeting wouldn't have been necessary. I understand it's hard for some people to give a goon-led CSM credit but in this case it's deserved.
yeah yeah get ya head out of that dark place... that meeting wasnt needed atall, it was a pr stunt wich is all the csm is for..
delaying stuff so ppl would cooldown was there tactic. the crapload of unsubbing opened there eyes in a OMG way
the riot wasnt there to backup csm, most ppl dont believe in csm atall and its offcourse very nice they keep al secret about what they do so that we dont see ccp doesnt listen to them anyways, wel diddnt looked for any info i must fairly say but saying oooh i did it its thanks to me... while its not.. its yust stupid
did they ask csm about titannerf first ? nope about anythingh ? i doubt that
sometimes they yust feed csm abit to keep them hpy
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1305
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
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Xython wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. This isn't a surprise at all. You think all those ice miners running 20+ accounts are actually at keyboard, alt tabbing like mad? Of course not. That's why we Goons decided to do the Ice Interdiction. The entirety of EVE's economy is hedging on a bunch of botters, players who don't like the game enough to actually be bothered to play it.
Assumption is the mother of all ****ups
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
335
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:57:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yes moon mining going buh bye! Discuss...
fyi nobody has said anything about moon mining 'going bye bye'
CCP are looking at an additional source for the minerals, with no detail so far on what areas of space or what quantities these will appear in. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Mentat Cthulhu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:11:00 -
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Nambr1 wrote:Andski wrote:Lexmana wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. Source? https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large Majority of bots in Caldari highsec. These are the true highsec ATMs. ahahaha pubbies actually thought that the majority of bots were in null so dumb Same as yesterday. Over 150 000 npcs killed in Deklein. So goons are not valid to blame others for using bots. majority of bots in empire are miners which introduce no new isk to the game (aside from the odd frigate they have to kill I guess)... |
Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:12:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
I will thank al gore for the internet as well. Pompous ass. |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:32:00 -
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Kyle Yanowski wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. I will thank al gore for the internet as well. Pompous ass.
^^ You see, its manbearpig I told you it was real! I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:37:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The goons comprise something of a virtual fight club. EvE is all about fighting. Perhaps it all fits together? Does not mean I like Mittani. In fact, I hate him. I don't know him, but if I did, I would hate him. Why? Because it's required of all players to hate him. There should be a skill book for it. By now I would have Hating Mittani trained up to 5 and Disliking Goons at least 4. To be honest I hate all of you.
Dear sir, I accept your Hate and extend mine unto you aswell |
Ira Infernus
Praetorium Illegitimus The.Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:00:00 -
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Is there a video link for this kicking about, or has someone got an audit as TBH I have had exams and have no idea what has happened recently :S |
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