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Endeavour Starfleet
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:28:00 -
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I have to admit I am impressed with that presentation in some ways. What I was most impressed about was the idea that he dared to call moon mining what it is. An ATM belching money.
Finally something that atleast on its face has the potential to spur more small alliance development!
Edit: Yes it is early but I like how they want to use Incursion grouping and planning as a basis for the new system of drops for everyone. 10 friends fishing a belt is 100X better than moon goo wars. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2024
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:30:00 -
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Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
714
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:33:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
I would make a comment about how long it took them to convince CCP to do something about this and that it will be a year atleast before it happens. Yet hey atleast we have something now. |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:34:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
[Moronic Pubbie Mode ON]
Buh Buh Buh That would mean he am do thing that against him make self make iskies and that am make no sense!!11!! no sense!!!1!!
GOONS BAD MITTANI BAD MAN!!!1
[/Moronic Pubbie Mode OFF] |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1321
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:35:00 -
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I doubt the CSM had everything to do with everything CCP is doing. I am sure the majority of this was already planned and being worked on long before CSM6 came along.
On a note of the content shown in the presentation...I almost cried...that stuff is going to be amazing! EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
261
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:37:00 -
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You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. |
Endeavour Starfleet
714
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:38:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I doubt the CSM had everything to do with everything CCP is doing. I am sure the majority of this was already planned and being worked on long before CSM6 came along.
On a note of the content shown in the presentation...I almost cried...that stuff is going to be amazing!
I was very impressed as well. Even tho I did not like the part where he stated that POS fixes are a 2013 thing.
NO Pos and Corp changes need to be late 2012! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3366
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:39:00 -
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Axe risk-free high-sec incursions next. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises
349
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:40:00 -
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sell sell sell! "War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:41:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec.
This isn't a surprise at all. You think all those ice miners running 20+ accounts are actually at keyboard, alt tabbing like mad? Of course not.
That's why we Goons decided to do the Ice Interdiction. The entirety of EVE's economy is hedging on a bunch of botters, players who don't like the game enough to actually be bothered to play it. |
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:42:00 -
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On an aside, is there a nice synopsis of the presentation, or a recording, or somesuch? I unfortunately had to miss it for class. |
Endeavour Starfleet
714
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:43:00 -
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Andski wrote:Axe risk-free high-sec incursions next.
So the topic is about a system they hope to implement that is based on the success of hisec incursion grouping (Which isn't risk free BTW considering the actions against fleets in the past few days and the usual drunk/fail logi)
And the first thing you say is the usual bs of "AXE TEH HISEC INCURSIONS NAO!!!"
Y u so mad? Had some moon goo that didn't go to Goon standard funds? |
adam smash
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:43:00 -
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You guys have like memory issues?
What has CCP gave us that was amazing?
About all CCP gives us is bugs and server restarts.
Amazing would be a game that has less bugs than world of tanks a F2P NEW mmo.... wtf.
I mean ffs, you can't have 0 isk in your wallet now... What did they do to F that up?
Super cap blobs....
Lowsec being nothing but 0.0 with out bubbles.
Look at the the recent smart bomb titan... ******* like 50 motherships came to **** the fleet that took it down.
****** up UI...
****** up neo com
Broke sec gains...
Changed mod names for no reason
IF they do anything with moon goo... I am sure they will f it up too.
About all EVE is anymore is watching out for bugs, and releaning **** you should not have to.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1346
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:46:00 -
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The goons comprise something of a virtual fight club.
EvE is all about fighting.
Perhaps it all fits together?
Does not mean I like Mittani. In fact, I hate him. I don't know him, but if I did, I would hate him. Why? Because it's required of all players to hate him. There should be a skill book for it. By now I would have Hating Mittani trained up to 5 and Disliking Goons at least 4.
To be honest I hate all of you.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3366
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:47:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:(Which isn't risk free BTW considering the actions against fleets in the past few days and the usual drunk/fail logi)
"our worthless publogis cause us to die, there is marginal risk in our 9-digit incursions :(" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Endeavour Starfleet
715
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:47:00 -
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adam smash wrote:You guys have like memory issues?
What has CCP gave us that was amazing?
About all CCP gives us is bugs and server restarts.
Amazing would be a game that has less bugs than world of tanks a F2P NEW mmo.... wtf.
I mean ffs, you can't have 0 isk in your wallet now... What did they do to F that up?
Super cap blobs....
Lowsec being nothing but 0.0 with out bubbles.
Look at the the recent smart bomb titan... ******* like 50 motherships came to **** the fleet that took it down.
****** up UI...
****** up neo com
Broke sec gains...
Changed mod names for no reason
IF they do anything with moon goo... I am sure they will f it up too.
About all EVE is anymore is watching out for bugs, and releaning **** you should not have to.
U mad brah?
Funny how you consider name changes bad as well. Yep he mad. |
Endeavour Starfleet
715
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:(Which isn't risk free BTW considering the actions against fleets in the past few days and the usual drunk/fail logi) "our worthless publogis cause us to die, there is marginal risk in our 9-digit incursions :("
Gonna chalk that one up as the usual bs from folk who don't run incursions. NEXT! |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
192
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:49:00 -
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WTS tech moons |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3366
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:51:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:(Which isn't risk free BTW considering the actions against fleets in the past few days and the usual drunk/fail logi) "our worthless publogis cause us to die, there is marginal risk in our 9-digit incursions :(" Gonna chalk that one up as the usual bs from folk who don't run incursions. NEXT!
gonna chalk this up as the usual bullshit from worthless risk-averse incursion runners defending their isk fountain "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Tiberius Murderhorne
Amarrian Retribution Amarr 7th Fleet
3
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Posted - 2012.03.23 16:56:00 -
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Actually shouted "Yes!" at my PC monitor, good key note soo far, already much better than what i watched last year :
Cheer Tib CCP Fix Faction War!! - Soo much potential! sooo much awesome! Sort it!
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2025
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:00:00 -
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Another blow to Team Tech. First their titans then their tech moons.
It ain't easy being ~elite PvP~ The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:00:00 -
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Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:(Which isn't risk free BTW considering the actions against fleets in the past few days and the usual drunk/fail logi) "our worthless publogis cause us to die, there is marginal risk in our 9-digit incursions :(" Gonna chalk that one up as the usual bs from folk who don't run incursions. NEXT! gonna chalk this up as the usual bullshit from worthless risk-averse incursion runners defending their isk fountain
heh even more worthless is the scrublord endeavfor butthurt who aint shiney enough to join them shiney fleets. oh those pirate bs fleets have web +more firepowre than my drake awwwww wis shall not be a cesspool of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, bunch of dudes emoting each other, devoid of gameplay and consequnces. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3366
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:10:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:heh even more worthless is the scrublord endeavfor butthurt who aint shiney enough to join them shiney fleets. oh those pirate bs fleets have web +more firepowre than my drake awwwww
the funny thing is that you used to be able to join "shiny" fleets with a T2 fitted faction BS by just linking a fake "shiny" fit generated with EFT, but the autistic FCs caught on and started scanning ships, requiring skillboards to be linked, etc. because lol elitism over how you make ISK "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2025
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Posted - 2012.03.23 17:11:00 -
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Pubbie incursions are literally WoW+Gearscore The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
696
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:16:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. I would make a comment about how long it took them to convince CCP to do something about this and that it will be a year atleast before it happens. Yet hey atleast we have something now.
*scratches head*
"atleast" is not a word. Maybe you're looking for "at least"? This isn't even alot! Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Endeavour Starfleet
715
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:heh even more worthless is the scrublord endeavfor butthurt who aint shiney enough to join them shiney fleets. oh those pirate bs fleets have web +more firepowre than my drake awwwww the funny thing is that you used to be able to join "shiny" fleets with a T2 fitted faction BS by just linking a fake "shiny" fit generated with EFT, but the autistic FCs caught on and started scanning ships, requiring skillboards to be linked, etc. because lol elitism over how you make ISK
So FCs requiring honesty from players and rejecting the liars is elitism?
Enough of you derailing this topic anyway. This is about Tech Moons going buh bye! |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
583
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:31:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote: 10 friends fishing a belt is 100X better than moon goo wars.
Right, because 10 friends in a belt causes 2000 man fights like the moons currently do
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
510
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:32:00 -
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good times to live in the south
just kidding it's always bad times to live in the south |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
46
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:43:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec.
Source? http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1298
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:55:00 -
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Uhm, big deal, I've suggested that moon minerals be minable in other ways for years (I had suggested comets for example).
This is an idea that has been kicked around for years. I am not surprised at all to see Mittens support a change as almost anyone that doesn't own a tech moon has wanted this forever and even the tech moon owners occasionally see how broken the current system is.
Stuff coming out this Evefest is actually getting me excited about the future of Eve again!
Issler |
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Endeavour Starfleet
717
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Posted - 2012.03.23 18:55:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote: 10 friends fishing a belt is 100X better than moon goo wars. Right, because 10 friends in a belt causes 2000 man fights like the moons currently do
No it causes far fewer battles on site while the 2000 man battles happen over getting more territory to "fish" in for the collation. With a great deal more incentive for the individual pilots to fight and win. |
Darrow Hill
Vodka and Vice
51
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:00:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
Has he sobered up yet? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3372
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:45:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Taiwanistan wrote:heh even more worthless is the scrublord endeavfor butthurt who aint shiney enough to join them shiney fleets. oh those pirate bs fleets have web +more firepowre than my drake awwwww the funny thing is that you used to be able to join "shiny" fleets with a T2 fitted faction BS by just linking a fake "shiny" fit generated with EFT, but the autistic FCs caught on and started scanning ships, requiring skillboards to be linked, etc. because lol elitism over how you make ISK So FCs requiring honesty from players and rejecting the liars is elitism? Enough of you derailing this topic anyway. This is about Tech Moons going buh bye!
this is about broken crap going away, hence incursions "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:50:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Pubbie incursions are literally WoW+Gearscore
greatest example of all time. Kinda makes me want to barf though. |
Florestan Bronstein
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
463
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:50:00 -
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Xython wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. This isn't a surprise at all. You think all those ice miners running 20+ accounts are actually at keyboard, alt tabbing like mad? Of course not. That's why we Goons decided to do the Ice Interdiction. The entirety of EVE's economy is hedging on a bunch of botters, players who don't like the game enough to actually be bothered to play it. all those ice miners flying tengus and navy ravens... |
Zesoft
Midnight Crescendo
41
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:55:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
YOUR CEO~ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:58:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pubbie incursions are literally WoW+Gearscore greatest example of all time. Kinda makes me want to barf though. Hm, what;s this Gearscore. Sounds like some kind of internet famous thing. Grinding mmo?
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
261
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:02:00 -
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Tobiaz wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. Source?
https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large
Majority of bots in Caldari highsec. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:09:00 -
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Xython wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. This isn't a surprise at all. You think all those ice miners running 20+ accounts are actually at keyboard, alt tabbing like mad? Of course not. That's why we Goons decided to do the Ice Interdiction. The entirety of EVE's economy is hedging on a bunch of botters, players who don't like the game enough to actually be bothered to play it.
You are a liar, just the like the rest of your cohorts.
The ice interdiction you and your bunch perpetrated (and still are) was for 2 reasons:
1. To mess with the income of high sec players. 2. By removing the high sec competition, thereby increasing ice product prices, your own null sec botters made significantly more ISK. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3372
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:09:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. Source? https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large Majority of bots in Caldari highsec. These are the true highsec ATMs.
ahahaha pubbies actually thought that the majority of bots were in null
so dumb "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3372
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:10:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Xython wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. This isn't a surprise at all. You think all those ice miners running 20+ accounts are actually at keyboard, alt tabbing like mad? Of course not. That's why we Goons decided to do the Ice Interdiction. The entirety of EVE's economy is hedging on a bunch of botters, players who don't like the game enough to actually be bothered to play it. You are a liar, just the like the rest of your cohorts. The ice interdiction you and your bunch perpetrated (and still are) was for 2 reasons: 1. To mess with the income of high sec players. 2. By removing the high sec competition, thereby increasing ice product prices, your own null sec botters made significantly more ISK.
you're an idiot if you think anybody mines ice in nullsec "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Zircon Dasher
86
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:10:00 -
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So long as CCP makes all the goo dropping roids limited in number and easily found I think it is generally a good thing.
Limited numbers of areas and well marked locations of said roids is necessary to put groups in competition/conflict. CCP would be smart to create a crap ton more ways to compete with eachother inside the PVE content of the game.
Now if players do not want to compete or provide the risk, like in Highsec Incursions, then so be it. They should suffer the negative consequences of such play, whatever those may be. |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
89
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:Axe risk-free high-sec incursions next.
There is no such thing as risk free incursions so nuthin to be axed Unless II guess the ships I've see that died this week are figments o my imagination. Can't wait for the dumb arse Goon troll to this post Andski you really need to polish up on your lies they are too ealisy shown for what are are: BS
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3372
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:14:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:Axe risk-free high-sec incursions next. There is no such thing as risk free incursions so nuthin to be axed Unless II guess the ships I've see that died this week are figments o my imagination. Can't wait for the dumb arse Goon troll to this post Andski you really need to polish up on your lies they are too ealisy shown for what are are: BS
you sure ate a lot of those sweet, sweet lead paint chips "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:16:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Dbars Grinding wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Pubbie incursions are literally WoW+Gearscore greatest example of all time. Kinda makes me want to barf though. Hm, what;s this Gearscore. Sounds like some kind of internet famous thing. Grinding mmo?
NotSureIfSerious.jpg
Ok, well, assuming you are:
Gearscore is a specific plugin for WOW, although it has come to mean any generic type of plugin that does a specific thing. It gives your gear a certain number of points based on various criteria. This sounds like an ok thing in practice, as it allows you to quickly eval new gear vs your current gear, right?
Well, yes and no. The problem is, the plugin also allows you to evaluate someone else's total gearscore (as in, the score of all their gear) at a single glance.
This effectively turned Gearscore into a giant e-peen meter. Little braindead pubbies would refuse to play with people without a certain gearscore, and character skill and attitude and really anything didn't matter. You had to grind gearscore points and only gearscore points, it is literally the only thing that matters. At the same time, character talent specialization was redirected to fit only 1 or 2 "real" templates, and if you didn't have Gearscore X and Class Y with Template Z or W, well, "GTFO and L2Play Noob."
You see the same attitude in Incursions. You have to have skills X Y and Z at V, skills R, W and Theta at at least 4, and you have to be in one of 3-4 approved ships in 1 (UND EXACTLY WON) fit, or don't even bother. You're not neckbeard approved and should "GTFO and L2Play Noob." |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
89
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:17:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:Axe risk-free high-sec incursions next. There is no such thing as risk free incursions so nuthin to be axed Unless II guess the ships I've see that died this week are figments o my imagination. Can't wait for the dumb arse Goon troll to this post Andski you really need to polish up on your lies they are too ealisy shown for what are are: BS you sure ate a lot of those sweet, sweet lead paint chips
lol that is a canned response I've seen you use it before you need some new lines I guess all you have is canned responses allowed by your goonie lords? i so I luv the taste of your tears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM&feature=player_embedded |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3373
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:18:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:Axe risk-free high-sec incursions next. There is no such thing as risk free incursions so nuthin to be axed Unless II guess the ships I've see that died this week are figments o my imagination. Can't wait for the dumb arse Goon troll to this post Andski you really need to polish up on your lies they are too ealisy shown for what are are: BS you sure ate a lot of those sweet, sweet lead paint chips lol that is a canned response I've seen you use it before you need some new lines
not much else to say to the mentally challenged vOv "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Zircon Dasher
86
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:20:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote: The ice interdiction you and your bunch perpetrated (and still are) was for 2 reasons:
1. To mess with the income of high sec players. 2. By removing the high sec competition, thereby increasing ice product prices, your own null sec botters made significantly more ISK.
This kind of behavior should be encouraged across all system securities, and across all the different game content lines.
Competition and conflict are the fuel for player supplied game content.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
299
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:22:00 -
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Andski wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote:Xython wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. This isn't a surprise at all. You think all those ice miners running 20+ accounts are actually at keyboard, alt tabbing like mad? Of course not. That's why we Goons decided to do the Ice Interdiction. The entirety of EVE's economy is hedging on a bunch of botters, players who don't like the game enough to actually be bothered to play it. You are a liar, just the like the rest of your cohorts. The ice interdiction you and your bunch perpetrated (and still are) was for 2 reasons: 1. To mess with the income of high sec players. 2. By removing the high sec competition, thereby increasing ice product prices, your own null sec botters made significantly more ISK. you're an idiot if you think anybody mines ice in nullsec
Well, to be fair, there was that one idiot corp, we burned a spy to bomb them and ruin their day. What was their name again? |
Zircon Dasher
87
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:30:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote:Axe risk-free high-sec incursions next. There is no such thing as risk free incursions so nuthin to be axed Unless II guess the ships I've see that died this week are figments o my imagination. Can't wait for the dumb arse Goon troll to this post Andski you really need to polish up on your lies they are too easily shown for what are are: BS ========================== I always laugh at the tears from Null Secc'ers such as your self that blame everything on Incursions! Be funny if Moon goo started comming out o the next Incursion that replaces the Sansha Incursion... like an incursion of drones that poop moon goo to really **** off the Null Sec alliance lords whom find their Monopoly challenged. The attempted interdictions would be epic I guess since you won't be able to hot drop
Outside of ignorance/afk there is no real risk from NPC's
In EVE the only real risk is supplied by other players.
So if any activity is risk-free then players can only blame themselves for making it that way. |
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DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
89
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:30:00 -
[51] - Quote
Andski wrote: you're an idiot if you think anybody mines ice in nullsec
ha I know I know for a fact its done in lo sec & have been offered to join a corp that does it . Only problem is I'm currently having fun in Incursions right now or I'd be in that corp. Andski if its done in lo why isn't it being done at all in NULL? or have I caught you again in another lie? Goons lie OMG can it be ?
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DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
89
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:32:00 -
[52] - Quote
Zircon Dasher wrote:Outside of ignorance/afk there is no real risk from NPC's
In EVE the only real risk is supplied by other players.
So if any activity is risk-free then players can only blame themselves for making it that way.
I've seen ships die throughout the week in Incursions so there is risk. Your definition of real is absurd
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3373
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:33:00 -
[53] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Andski wrote: you're an idiot if you think anybody mines ice in nullsec
ha I know I know for a fact its done in lo sec & have been offered to join a corp that does it . Only problem is I'm currently having fun in Incursions right now or I'd be in that corp. Andski if its done in lo why isn't it being done at all in NULL? or have I caught you again in another lie? Goons lie OMG can it be ?
lowsec is not nullsec "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3373
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:33:00 -
[54] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Outside of ignorance/afk there is no real risk from NPC's
In EVE the only real risk is supplied by other players.
So if any activity is risk-free then players can only blame themselves for making it that way. I've seen ships die throughout the week in Incursions so there is risk. Your definition of real is absurd
guys guys incursions are super risky *flies a 10bn faction BS* "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
captain kikaz
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
0
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:38:00 -
[55] - Quote
fr all the butthurt people raging about none of these changes coming until 2013. It was stated at the beginnings of the key notes that all the changes will be happening within the next year. So yeah you might have to wait until early next year to get the new changes but as long as they are delivered within that timescale you have zero to ***** about.go get a coke have a smile and stfu |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
610
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:00:00 -
[56] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
Bullshit. More like another reason to thank the thousands of players who did what needed to be done to get CCP to wake up from Micro-transaction Dreamland. We unsubbed to hurt the only thing CCP cared about at the time; their wallet. But you keep drinking that Kool-Aid and spreading lies.
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Zircon Dasher
87
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:03:00 -
[57] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Outside of ignorance/afk there is no real risk from NPC's
In EVE the only real risk is supplied by other players.
So if any activity is risk-free then players can only blame themselves for making it that way. I've seen ships die throughout the week in Incursions so there is risk. Your definition of real is absurd
I never said that ships do not die.
All risk from NPC can be mitigated by knowledge + skills/fits/fleet comps. If there is a way to mitigate all risk from NPC then risk can only come about via players. |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:04:00 -
[58] - Quote
Zircon Dasher wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote: The ice interdiction you and your bunch perpetrated (and still are) was for 2 reasons:
1. To mess with the income of high sec players. 2. By removing the high sec competition, thereby increasing ice product prices, your own null sec botters made significantly more ISK. This kind of behavior should be encouraged across all system securities, and across all the different game content lines. Competition and conflict are the fuel for player supplied game content.
I have no problem with goons doing this for economic gain. And I agree, driving your enemies before you, hearing the lamentations of their women, while making a healthy profit off of their misery is what Eve is all about.
But goon lie about their reasons for doing this. They may actually gain some respect if they said, "Yeah, we do it for the money", instead of "We are the champions of righteousness in Eve, and will destroy the evil-doer botters since CCP can't".
I can't stand hypocrisy, and that hypocrisy is the raison d'etre of goons. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2045
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:12:00 -
[59] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. Bullshit. More like another reason to thank the thousands of players who did what needed to be done to get CCP to wake up from Micro-transaction Dreamland. We unsubbed to hurt the only thing CCP cared about at the time; their wallet. But you keep drinking that Kool-Aid and spreading lies.
Oh wow...you're pretty much wrong about everything.
CCP didn't even realize how broken tech moons are until Mittens explained it to them. If they are finally going to do something to correct the imbalance it's a direct result of CSM 6 and they should be recognized for it.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1129
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:15:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. Bullshit. More like another reason to thank the thousands of players who did what needed to be done to get CCP to wake up from Micro-transaction Dreamland. We unsubbed to hurt the only thing CCP cared about at the time; their wallet. But you keep drinking that Kool-Aid and spreading lies. Oh wow...you're pretty much wrong about everything. CCP didn't even realize how broken tech moons are until Mittens explained it to them. If they are finally going to do something to correct the imbalance it's a direct result of CSM 6 and they should be recognized for it.
CSM6 was an alright CSM, but CCP has known about this in detail for ages.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2047
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:19:00 -
[61] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. Bullshit. More like another reason to thank the thousands of players who did what needed to be done to get CCP to wake up from Micro-transaction Dreamland. We unsubbed to hurt the only thing CCP cared about at the time; their wallet. But you keep drinking that Kool-Aid and spreading lies. Oh wow...you're pretty much wrong about everything. CCP didn't even realize how broken tech moons are until Mittens explained it to them. If they are finally going to do something to correct the imbalance it's a direct result of CSM 6 and they should be recognized for it. CSM6 was an alright CSM, but CCP has known about this in detail for ages. -Liang
I guess that just illustrates how bad CSM 1-5 were. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1131
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:25:00 -
[62] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Liang Nuren wrote: CSM6 was an alright CSM, but CCP has known about this in detail for ages.
-Liang
I guess that just illustrates how bad CSM 1-5 were.
Naw, what it illustrates is just how far CCP management had their head up their ass until the players started literally rioting and unsubbing.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2047
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:28:00 -
[63] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Liang Nuren wrote: CSM6 was an alright CSM, but CCP has known about this in detail for ages.
-Liang
I guess that just illustrates how bad CSM 1-5 were. Naw, what it illustrates is just how far CCP management had their head up their ass until the players started literally rioting and unsubbing. -Liang
lol nobody rioted or unsubbed over moon goo.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
699
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:29:00 -
[64] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Liang Nuren wrote: CSM6 was an alright CSM, but CCP has known about this in detail for ages.
-Liang
I guess that just illustrates how bad CSM 1-5 were. Naw, what it illustrates is just how far CCP management had their head up their ass until the players started literally rioting and unsubbing. -Liang This. CSM6 did a good job (I'm not going to slight The Mittani, he makes a good space politician) but they also owe their success to the massive player support and action they had backing them. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Marlona Sky
Massive PVPness Psychotic Tendencies.
614
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:49:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. Bullshit. More like another reason to thank the thousands of players who did what needed to be done to get CCP to wake up from Micro-transaction Dreamland. We unsubbed to hurt the only thing CCP cared about at the time; their wallet. But you keep drinking that Kool-Aid and spreading lies. Oh wow...you're pretty much wrong about everything. CCP didn't even realize how broken tech moons are until Mittens explained it to them. If they are finally going to do something to correct the imbalance it's a direct result of CSM 6 and they should be recognized for it. CSM6 was an alright CSM, but CCP has known about this in detail for ages. -Liang I guess that just illustrates how bad CSM 1-5 were.
It illustrates what the players who participated in the Summer of Rage are capable of.
I don't view the current CSM as a bad one mind you. I think they have done a solid job. Just like the previous CSM. Both did what needed to be done at the time given what the circumstances were.
But I have brought this to your attention before, you just keep plugging your ears screaming and crying like Luke from The Empire Strikes Back "No. That's not true. That's impossible! Noooo..."
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhbOjS0Ah7_o&ei=c-1sT_LbFsG4sQLKhrX2BQ&usg=AFQjCNGldpZw1q23puvYH4yoDbQJZ60OKw&sig2=Lm5bfaZRduxeOVq8cUXXgA
Yeah. That's you. The idea that the players who hit CCP in the wallet and woke them up blows your mind. For more mind blowing experience, realize that if it was not for things like the open letter from CSM 5, internal newsletter leaks and such by people who gave a ****, the summer of rage would not have happened, thus no CCP waking up asking what they should do to stop the bleeding.
Again, CSM 6 did a decent job, but they would have been handcuffed from the start if it was not for the motivation of those who cared to do what needed to be done.
Now, who's your daddy?
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3373
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:53:00 -
[66] - Quote
Vince Snetterton wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Vince Snetterton wrote: The ice interdiction you and your bunch perpetrated (and still are) was for 2 reasons:
1. To mess with the income of high sec players. 2. By removing the high sec competition, thereby increasing ice product prices, your own null sec botters made significantly more ISK. This kind of behavior should be encouraged across all system securities, and across all the different game content lines. Competition and conflict are the fuel for player supplied game content. I have no problem with goons doing this for economic gain. And I agree, driving your enemies before you, hearing the lamentations of their women, while making a healthy profit off of their misery is what Eve is all about. But goon lie about their reasons for doing this. They may actually gain some respect if they said, "Yeah, we do it for the money", instead of "We are the champions of righteousness in Eve, and will destroy the evil-doer botters since CCP can't". I can't stand hypocrisy, and that hypocrisy is the raison d'etre of goons.
I gained direkkktorate approval to pass this tidbit of information down. Consider it a revelation.
All of the money that was made from the interdiction came from buying up blue ice and oxytopes in empire and selling it off shortly before the interdiction stopped, and while it was insane ISK, the alliance still spent more ISK on bounties. The purpose was, more than anything else, to have fun. Even with high oxygen isotope prices, running anoms is vastly more profitable.
I realize you're probably going to smash your head as you stare at your spreadsheets, but you cannot quantify fun. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
89
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Posted - 2012.03.23 23:47:00 -
[67] - Quote
Zircon Dasher wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Zircon Dasher wrote:Outside of ignorance/afk there is no real risk from NPC's
In EVE the only real risk is supplied by other players.
So if any activity is risk-free then players can only blame themselves for making it that way. I've seen ships die throughout the week in Incursions so there is risk. Your definition of real is absurd I never said that ships do not die. All risk from NPC can be mitigated by knowledge + being at the keyboard. If there is a way to mitigate all risk from NPC then risk can only come about via players.
An alpha from lirsautton fighter bombers in a MOM fight on a logi still more often then not results in a dead logistic in a shield fleet. ALL risk cannot be mitigated from these NPC's in a few other situations: logi alpha's in the beginning of a certain assault site & another HQ site. I reject your assertion from first hand experience. I WAS THERE
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bACK TO moon goo. I hope actually that defended moons will stay as they are because the epic fights for them sound fun & I'd like to some day to be in such a fight. That said I don't think they should be a NULL sec monopoly though just like Incursions are not a High Sec monopoly. HI sec incursion interdictions sounded like fun & watching NULL sec trying to do the same to HI SEC moon goo farmers will be interesting too. The worm hole monopoly of nano ribbons too should be broken ( like by the suggestion I made before: sleeper incursions into NULL ) |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
228
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Posted - 2012.03.23 23:51:00 -
[68] - Quote
It would be cool if they gave 100 titans the ability to link up to create a super doom's day that can crack a moon, which would turn the moons into shattered moon/asteroid field that everyone can mine... Never going to happen tho. |
Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
109
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Posted - 2012.03.23 23:55:00 -
[69] - Quote
Sorry, was this in the first ten minutes of the economy presentation (which I missed) or was this the keynote?
Thanks. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2050
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Posted - 2012.03.24 00:12:00 -
[70] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote: It illustrates what the players who participated in the Summer of Rage are capable of.
Remember during the summer of rage when CCP brought the CSM to Iceland for an emergency meeting? If players unsubbing was the only thing responsible for all these great changes that meeting wouldn't have been necessary.
I understand it's hard for some people to give a goon-led CSM credit but in this case it's deserved.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
89
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Posted - 2012.03.24 00:15:00 -
[71] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Sorry, was this in the first ten minutes of the economy presentation (which I missed) or was this the keynote?
Thanks.
I believe there was a mention in the keynote about moon goo being in belts. Is that what you are asking about? |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
240
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Posted - 2012.03.24 00:21:00 -
[72] - Quote
Darth Tickles wrote:Sorry, was this in the first ten minutes of the economy presentation (which I missed) or was this the keynote?
Thanks.
Keynote - although it came across as a suggested idea combined with some obscure comments about changing or adapting mining to more of a social activity (something about 'incursion like' as in co operative play).
Very much got the impression CCP were dropping ideas out there to see how the crowd responded (whoops/silence) - definitely doesnt looked as a fixed 'will happen'.
C.
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Darth Tickles
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
109
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Posted - 2012.03.24 00:29:00 -
[73] - Quote
Great. Thanks, guys. |
Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
151
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Posted - 2012.03.24 00:30:00 -
[74] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: It illustrates what the players who participated in the Summer of Rage are capable of.
Remember during the summer of rage when CCP brought the CSM to Iceland for an emergency meeting? If players unsubbing was the only thing responsible for all these great changes that meeting wouldn't have been necessary. I understand it's hard for some people to give a goon-led CSM credit but in this case it's deserved.
It was the player rage, though, that made CCP work with CSM as much as they did, and listen to their suggestions as much as they did (and implement them). CSM was CCPs recourse in an effort to stem the flow of ****, and this is a purpose for CSM's existence, representing players and their gameplay. A lot of the issues that the CSM members (current and past) bring up are not their original ideas, they are issues from the past, long-standing complaints from the playerbase, etc. Now, obviously it takes an effective politician type to give the ideas you champion weight, perhaps more weight than other CSM members' issues, and it would be stupid to deny that Mittens showed his skill at that. But it would also be stupid to suggest that he singlehandedly brought about all the positive changes with no one else, past and present, having had a hand in bringing these issues to CCPs attention in the first place. Synergy is the idea here. |
Endeavour Starfleet
721
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:00:00 -
[75] - Quote
Ok folks seriously. Stop talking about incursions in this topic. People might want to read and discuss this idea and I rather them not have to wade through a ton of the same old incursion lies from people who cant resist attacking them at every chance.
Zircon Dasher wrote:So long as CCP makes all the goo dropping roids limited in number and easily found I think it is generally a good thing.
Limited numbers of areas and well marked locations of said roids is necessary to put groups in competition/conflict. CCP would be smart to create a crap ton more ways to compete with eachother inside the PVE content of the game.
Now if players do not want to compete or provide the risk, like in Highsec Incursions, then so be it. They should suffer the negative consequences of such play, whatever those may be.
The design must be made from the get go to screw over botting attempts. That right there removes most chance of it being easy to find or easy to run. Which is fine with me because the last thing we need is alliances replacing their moons with tech bots. |
Abyss Azizora
Viziam Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:17:00 -
[76] - Quote
[Moronic Goon Mode ON]
Xython wrote: [Moronic Pubbie Mode ON]
Buh Buh Buh That would mean he am do thing that against him make self make iskies and that am make no sense!!11!! no sense!!!1!!
GOONS BAD MITTANI BAD MAN!!!1
[/Moronic Pubbie Mode OFF]
[Mornic Goon Mode OFF] |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
89
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Posted - 2012.03.24 02:23:00 -
[77] - Quote
TBH I don't think anything should be done AGAINST MOON GOO it is necessary for T2 stuff!!! instead of a monopoly I think smaller amounts should be available in other areas just like I believe many hi sec minerals should be available in greater quantities in NULL or WH space. Goo's priciple faucet SHOULD be in NULL just like priciple place of nano ribbons (T3 building block) should be in WH space but some crossover to NULL & hig sec would be good for non total monopolies. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
766
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Posted - 2012.03.24 04:47:00 -
[78] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:TBH I don't think anything should be done AGAINST MOON GOO it is necessary for T2 stuff!!! instead of a monopoly I think smaller amounts should be available in other areas just like I believe many hi sec minerals should be available in greater quantities in NULL or WH space. Goo's priciple faucet SHOULD be in NULL just like priciple place of nano ribbons (T3 building block) should be in WH space but some crossover to NULL & hig sec would be good for non total monopolies.
This.
Materials (items, drops, whatever) should come from multiple sources in a sandbox universe. Ideally a mix of guaranteed sources (purchase BPC from a LP store, mine a moon or asteroid belt), diffuse random sources (game-wide drops from exploration sites, game-wide random loot drops, etc), and concentrated random sources (stuff is more likely to show up in region X, Y and Z). This lets players find their own balance point within the system as they decide whether obtaining the resource via one method is better then obtaining it via another method.
The supplementary sources also server as a check and balance against a monopoly over the primary source. If the primary source gets too expensive, the supplementary activities which can be used to obtain the material become economically viable for those who don't have access to the primary source.
The trick in game balance is that your diffuse (T1 modules reprocessed into minerals, or drone poo from hi-sec mission rats) and concentrated random drops (the drone regions rats which only drop drone poo) need to be monitored so that they don't overwhelm the primary source (raw ore). Which is what went wrong with the drone regions and why ABC ores took a tumble, the supplementary sources were too good.
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
501
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Posted - 2012.03.24 04:51:00 -
[79] - Quote
Xython wrote:On an aside, is there a nice synopsis of the presentation, or a recording, or somesuch? I unfortunately had to miss it for class.
You have no class, you're a Goon. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Mohr Cowbell
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
288
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Posted - 2012.03.24 04:52:00 -
[80] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: It illustrates what the players who participated in the Summer of Rage are capable of.
Remember during the summer of rage when CCP brought the CSM to Iceland for an emergency meeting? If players unsubbing was the only thing responsible for all these great changes that meeting wouldn't have been necessary. I understand it's hard for some people to give a goon-led CSM credit but in this case it's deserved.
You're taking this game way too seriously |
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Lexmana
Imperial Stout
262
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Posted - 2012.03.24 05:33:00 -
[81] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:The design must be made from the get go to screw over botting attempts. That right there removes most chance of it being easy to find or easy to run. Which is fine with me because the last thing we need is alliances replacing their moons with tech bots. Best way to fight bots would be to remove hisec because that where the bots are. Bots are like incursion runners - they want CONCORD protection just like ATMs IRL.
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DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
91
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Posted - 2012.03.24 05:56:00 -
[82] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:The design must be made from the get go to screw over botting attempts. That right there removes most chance of it being easy to find or easy to run. Which is fine with me because the last thing we need is alliances replacing their moons with tech bots. Best way to fight bots would be to remove hisec because that where the bots are. Bots are like incursion runners - they want CONCORD protection just like ATMs IRL. hi sec bots are worse them lo sec bots HA lol there are no bots in NULL lol what a big pile of BS lol peeps that beach most about incursions are mostly BOTs because incursions can't be botted profitably |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
262
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Posted - 2012.03.24 06:02:00 -
[83] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Lexmana wrote:[quote=Endeavour Starfleet]The design must be made from the get go to screw over botting attempts. That right there removes most chance of it being easy to find or easy to run. Which is fine with me because the last thing we need is alliances replacing their moons with tech bots.[/quote Best way to fight bots would be to remove hisec because that where the bots are. Bots are like incursion runners - they want CONCORD protection just like ATMs IRL
lol there are no bots in NULL lolol trololo what a big pile of BS lol peeps that beach most about incursions are mostly BOTs because incursions can't be botted There are more bots in caldari hisec alone than the rest of New Eden. Yeah, and remove local too ... there are no bots in unknown space. |
Hecatonis
Ascension Manufacturing
64
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Posted - 2012.03.24 06:11:00 -
[84] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:Xython wrote:On an aside, is there a nice synopsis of the presentation, or a recording, or somesuch? I unfortunately had to miss it for class. You have no class, you're a Goon.
i liked this one. |
DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
91
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Posted - 2012.03.24 06:13:00 -
[85] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Lexmana wrote:[quote=Endeavour Starfleet]The design must be made from the get go to screw over botting attempts. That right there removes most chance of it being easy to find or easy to run. Which is fine with me because the last thing we need is alliances replacing their moons with tech bots.[/quote Best way to fight bots would be to remove hisec because that where the bots are. Bots are like incursion runners - they want CONCORD protection just like ATMs IRL
lol there are no bots in NULL lolol trololo what a big pile of BS lol peeps that beach most about incursions are mostly BOTs because incursions can't be botted There are more bots in caldari hisec alone than the rest of New Eden. Yeah, and remove local too ... there are no bots in unknown space.
ok prove it so I can eat my tin foil hat... were do you get the numbers which say there are more bots there then in null? you have many points which say you may be right but the rumours about NULL alliances shielding bots are endemic. CCP ever say bots are anywhere in paticular? NULL is in some ways eaier to bot IMHO becuase if there is any1 in local boom they can disappear to POS... in hi sec they are easier to spot in many ways, no? |
Endeavour Starfleet
723
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Posted - 2012.03.24 06:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
Just going to say that I highly doubt most of the bots are in nullsec. Now with most large scale alliances having rules against blue bot reporting and the massive amount of RMT from nullsec. |
Gevlin
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:17:00 -
[87] - Quote
\0/ a feature I have been waiting on for a while and it is also solving a problem at the same time!!!!
Bonus! Null Sec Miners GO!! I agree with several people: CCP needs to focus most of eve's recources on FIS, but the development of WIS still needs to continue, just as a slower and more efficient pace. In eve I wish to be more than just a machine. |
Elzon1
Shadow Boys Corp Bloodbound.
20
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Posted - 2012.03.24 07:28:00 -
[88] - Quote
Mining moon goo with ships sounds okay.
The question I have is why not just do R32 alchemy. The system is already being used for R64 moons, why not use it for R32?
I have nothing against mining moon goo with ships so long as the supply is large compared to the amount available in moons. |
Lexmana
Imperial Stout
262
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Posted - 2012.03.24 08:30:00 -
[89] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Just going to say that I highly doubt most of the bots are in EDIT: Highsec *I fail at posting*. Now with most large scale alliances having rules against blue bot reporting and the massive amount of RMT from nullsec.
DarthNefarius wrote:ok prove it so I can eat my tin foil hat... were do you get the numbers which say there are more bots there then in null? you have many points which say you may be right but the rumours about NULL alliances shielding bots are endemic. CCP ever say bots are anywhere in paticular? NULL is in some ways eaier to bot IMHO becuase if there is any1 in local boom they can disappear to POS... in hi sec they are easier to spot in many ways, no?
I did 'prove it' already on page 2 of this thread. But I guess your tin-foil hats are strong against this one.
It is a bit blurry but here you go:
https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:56:00 -
[90] - Quote
Lexmana wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:The design must be made from the get go to screw over botting attempts. That right there removes most chance of it being easy to find or easy to run. Which is fine with me because the last thing we need is alliances replacing their moons with tech bots. Best way to fight bots would be to remove hisec because that where the bots are. Bots are like incursion runners - they want CONCORD protection just like ATMs IRL.
Hisec is here to stay. Fix nullsec before you decide to nuke most of the game from orbit. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2122
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Posted - 2012.03.25 04:58:00 -
[91] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:ok prove it so I can eat my tin foil hat... were do you get the numbers which say there are more bots there then in null?
The data came directly from CCP.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 05:11:00 -
[92] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:ok prove it so I can eat my tin foil hat... were do you get the numbers which say there are more bots there then in null? The data came directly from CCP.
The data they can detect. I am no longer convinced they have even the remote ability to detect the smart bots that gets used by the nullsec RMT cheaters. And alliances run with "Don't report blues" that is why I don't think the "PLEX for video cards" is a good idea.
This is why in my opinion the replacement for moon goo needs from the very start to be designed to foil even the smartest bots. So we don't have large alliances replacing their moon goo with bot goo. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2124
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Posted - 2012.03.25 05:15:00 -
[93] - Quote
Some of you need to take the tinfoil hats off and stop snorting so much coke before taking to the forums. The paranoia is getting ridiculous. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 05:20:00 -
[94] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Some of you need to take the tinfoil hats off and stop snorting so much coke before taking to the forums. The paranoia is getting ridiculous.
If you don't see the potential for bots taking over this new system then I don't know how goons keep you around. Then again the idea that active players participating in anything besides CTAs (And thus asking for more in return) must be a nightmare for many nullsec alliances. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
518
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Posted - 2012.03.25 05:30:00 -
[95] - Quote
better idea - prevent idiot npc forum alts from making dumb threads |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1005
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:10:00 -
[96] - Quote
Your bots are worse than my bots. No yours. No you...
FFS, bots are bots no matter where they are you bunch of pedantic morons!
If there's anything that can possibly be twisted into a divisive hi sec/ low sec / null sec argument in this game, you lot will find it.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Msgerbs
Aliastra Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:11:00 -
[97] - Quote
Nothing that expands on incursions can ever be a good thing, unless that expansion comes in the form of expanded ways to disrupt them. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3393
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 06:27:00 -
[98] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:ok prove it so I can eat my tin foil hat... were do you get the numbers which say there are more bots there then in null? The data came directly from CCP. The data they can detect. I am no longer convinced they have even the remote ability to detect the smart bots that gets used by the nullsec RMT cheaters. And alliances run with "Don't report blues" that is why I don't think the "PLEX for video cards" is a good idea. This is why in my opinion the replacement for moon goo needs from the very start to be designed to foil even the smartest bots. So we don't have large alliances replacing their moon goo with bot goo.
i love how you just don't stop harping on about that because you don't understand how a large alliance works because, lol, hisec "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
518
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:31:00 -
[99] - Quote
Andski wrote:i love how you just don't stop harping on about that because you don't understand how a large alliance works because, lol, hisec I love the 'more moongoo to supply the market= more isk for RMT' idea |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3393
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 06:34:00 -
[100] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Andski wrote:i love how you just don't stop harping on about that because you don't understand how a large alliance works because, lol, hisec I love the 'more moongoo to supply the market= more isk for RMT' idea
towering a tech moon just makes your corp wallet tick every hour with 1b didn't you hear "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
425
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:35:00 -
[101] - Quote
Hope all mining moves to this kind of system, boring is boring. |
Cyprus Black
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
160
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:37:00 -
[102] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. I don't know why everyone thinks he's the devil. He's not a bad guy and he does make some good points.
That being said, I didn't vote for him. Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:37:00 -
[103] - Quote
Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:ok prove it so I can eat my tin foil hat... were do you get the numbers which say there are more bots there then in null? The data came directly from CCP. The data they can detect. I am no longer convinced they have even the remote ability to detect the smart bots that gets used by the nullsec RMT cheaters. And alliances run with "Don't report blues" that is why I don't think the "PLEX for video cards" is a good idea. This is why in my opinion the replacement for moon goo needs from the very start to be designed to foil even the smartest bots. So we don't have large alliances replacing their moon goo with bot goo. i love how you just don't stop harping on about that because you don't understand how a large alliance works because, lol, hisec
Except I have been in nullsec. Many times. Why do you think I wrote my idea topic on adding balance to AFK cloaking? Because I wanted to laugh at people debating it? No it was because I was there I saw the imbalance and I wanted to discuss an idea to address it.
Why do you think I talk about nullsec alliances? Because I was in that crap. I was in the constant CTAs. I did my part and got jack crap for it while good ole boys never had to worry about ships lost or income streams (Thinking back they likely were a group of botters themselves based on their attitudes on things)
It was about the moon goo it was about the renter space. It was about everything except #1234 of Corp #3 Of mah epic alliance.
So yes Mister Goon I know all about nullsec. That is why I left it and will continue to pressure CCP to fix the crap that makes it a den of good ole boys and RMT. So I can return and blow **** up again. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2127
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 06:37:00 -
[104] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Some of you need to take the tinfoil hats off and stop snorting so much coke before taking to the forums. The paranoia is getting ridiculous. If you don't see the potential for bots taking over this new system then I don't know how goons keep you around. Then again the idea that active players participating in anything besides CTAs (And thus asking for more in return) must be a nightmare for many nullsec alliances.
lol we don't have CTAs
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:42:00 -
[105] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Some of you need to take the tinfoil hats off and stop snorting so much coke before taking to the forums. The paranoia is getting ridiculous. If you don't see the potential for bots taking over this new system then I don't know how goons keep you around. Then again the idea that active players participating in anything besides CTAs (And thus asking for more in return) must be a nightmare for many nullsec alliances. lol we don't have CTAs
No you have a nice way to get people to use that crap of a forum so I guess atleast goons HAVE to be a little nicer to member #1234
A little atleast. No help for the people who cant or wont use that forum tho.
Cyprus Black wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. I don't know why everyone thinks he's the devil. He's not a bad guy and he does make some good points. That being said, I didn't vote for him.
I actually like him. I view him as a person that understands that nullsec is a shithole and works to get things fixed. His views on incursions are encouraging and If I had a spare vote I would have given it to him. (Was trying to give votes to good candidates that could beat Darius but thanks to the frakked up voting system two of em were wasted) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2127
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 06:43:00 -
[106] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Why do you think I talk about nullsec alliances? Because I was in that crap. I was in the constant CTAs. I did my part and got jack crap for it while good ole boys never had to worry about ships lost or income streams (Thinking back they likely were a group of botters themselves based on their attitudes on things)
It was about the moon goo it was about the renter space. It was about everything except #1234 of Corp #3 Of mah epic alliance.
So yes Mister Goon I know all about nullsec. That is why I left it and will continue to pressure CCP to fix the crap that makes it a den of good ole boys and RMT. So I can return and blow **** up again.
Maybe don't join a ****** renter corp next time.
In my alliance our moongoo pays for ship reimbursement for both fleet ops and random skirmishes, small gangs or even solo roaming. It sometimes also pays the insurance that we used to get for ganking miners in high sec.
Some of it goes towards plexes for our logistics heroes who keep all our infrastructure running.
A bunch of it goes towards our cap and supercap builders so we can offer those ships to our members at cost. It also pays for the all the fuel that those ships use so the pilots don't have to buy their own.
Every few months one of our directors publishes our finances so we can see where the isk is going.
We do all that for our members and we don't have CTAs, Red Pen ops, mandatory mining ops or any of that crap. People show up for fleets because they aren't treated like dirt.
Maybe you should stop basing all your views of nullsec on the one crappy corp you belonged to for a week or so before the afk cloakers ran you back to high sec. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:52:00 -
[107] - Quote
Just an FYI the cloaky's didn't run it me off (Only thing I ever lost to a cloaky was a salvage destroyer) It was my corp not giving two craps to support my ideas (Or any solution for that matter) on a solution "Meh we don't care we will just stay at the POS until later" I did not make the topic to support those lazy idiots. (Everyone has their bad corp or two in history) It was because it was a part of the general cake of dog crap that is nullsec that I decided to make my ideas heard on. If I can't respect my corp I don't support it. (Were idiots anyway I could have made off with half the assets because of the roles I kept getting showered with despite my requests not to as I hate roles) |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2128
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:54:00 -
[108] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Just an FYI the cloaky's didn't run it me off (Only thing I ever lost to a cloaky was a salvage destroyer) It was my corp not giving two craps to support my ideas on a solution "Meh we don't care we will just stay at the POS until later" I did not make the topic to support those lazy idiots. (Everyone has their bad corp or two in history) It was because it was a part of the general cake of dog crap that is nullsec that I decided to make my ideas heard on. If I can't respect my corp I don't support it. (Were idiots anyway I could have made off with half the assets because of the roles I kept getting showered with despite my requests not to as I hate roles)
There you go...you were in a bad corp and that's what ruined nullsec for you. There are other options.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 06:59:00 -
[109] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Just an FYI the cloaky's didn't run it me off (Only thing I ever lost to a cloaky was a salvage destroyer) It was my corp not giving two craps to support my ideas on a solution "Meh we don't care we will just stay at the POS until later" I did not make the topic to support those lazy idiots. (Everyone has their bad corp or two in history) It was because it was a part of the general cake of dog crap that is nullsec that I decided to make my ideas heard on. If I can't respect my corp I don't support it. (Were idiots anyway I could have made off with half the assets because of the roles I kept getting showered with despite my requests not to as I hate roles) There you go...you were in a bad corp and that's what ruined nullsec for you. There are other options.
As I have stated. I have been in Nullsec many times. The renter thing was because I was curious about it but it is as completely crap as the rest. (And worse because lazy ass renters rarely read topics that affect their future much less care to state their views on the subjects) The others were full on warring alliances.
With the rest of the plate of dog crap that is nullsec.
Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 07:06:00 -
[110] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:(Were idiots anyway I could have made off with half the assets because of the roles I kept getting showered with despite my requests not to as I hate roles)
if you had done that you wouldn't give a rat's ass about incursions "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:07:00 -
[111] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase.
bat country, amok, ned-clan, OEG, monkey attack squad, pulsar inc, wildly inappropriate, sundering. these are all corps in CONDI whose members are not SA forums posters. they all get the same benefits that anyone in goonwaffe gets. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:15:00 -
[112] - Quote
Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase. bat country, amok, ned-clan, OEG, monkey attack squad, pulsar inc, wildly inappropriate, sundering. these are all corps in CONDI whose members are not SA forums posters. they all get the same benefits that anyone in goonwaffe gets.
That's nice. You take care of your friends. I never said goons were dumb. I am again just asking. Does this affect you at all? Do you not have legions of people that will do this to continue to keep the good stuff rolling in? While your enemies without said friendship try to force their's and epic fail? |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:18:00 -
[113] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase. bat country, amok, ned-clan, OEG, monkey attack squad, pulsar inc, wildly inappropriate, sundering. these are all corps in CONDI whose members are not SA forums posters. they all get the same benefits that anyone in goonwaffe gets. That's nice. You take care of your friends. I never said goons were dumb. I am again just asking. Does this affect you at all? Do you not have legions of people that will do this to continue to keep the good stuff rolling in? While your enemies without said friendship try to force their's and epic fail?
cutting PvP reimbursements in favor of some ridiculous wealth redistribution system would just end badly with comedy tengu lossmails "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2129
|
Posted - 2012.03.25 07:21:00 -
[114] - Quote
Or even more likely comedy supercap lossmails. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:23:00 -
[115] - Quote
Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Now about your ship replacement moon goo. I actually believe yall on that. Mainly because it is stupid not to as being goons requires SA access. However, Can you not do the same thing with members doing that? Goons are a mix of just about anything so legitimately it should not seriously affect you. Especially if it helps to gut the funds of adversaries that are used to screwing over their memberbase. bat country, amok, ned-clan, OEG, monkey attack squad, pulsar inc, wildly inappropriate, sundering. these are all corps in CONDI whose members are not SA forums posters. they all get the same benefits that anyone in goonwaffe gets. That's nice. You take care of your friends. I never said goons were dumb. I am again just asking. Does this affect you at all? Do you not have legions of people that will do this to continue to keep the good stuff rolling in? While your enemies without said friendship try to force their's and epic fail? cutting PvP reimbursements in favor of some ridiculous wealth redistribution system would just end badly with comedy tengu lossmails
Controlling moons is controlling wealth currently. I don't see the difference. Members contributing with the new systems sounds great to me personally. And while you may see it as cutting PVP reimbursements I see it as empowering the #1234s in nullsec which is a good thing. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:31:00 -
[116] - Quote
Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:36:00 -
[117] - Quote
Andski wrote:Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits.
I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:45:00 -
[118] - Quote
i literally have no idea what you're going on about at this point
delusional ramblings are amusing though please continue "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2132
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:47:00 -
[119] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits. I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply.
Are you wanting us to distribute technitium to everybody instead of using the money it generates to fund ship replacement? I honestly can't figure out what you're getting at.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:47:00 -
[120] - Quote
Andski wrote:i literally have no idea what you're going on about at this point
delusional ramblings are amusing though please continue
Not surprising you just don't get it. Just like with Incursions.
Thankfully tho your CSM Chairmain Is quite different in that regard. |
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Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:49:00 -
[121] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits. I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply. Are you wanting us to distribute technitium to everybody instead of using the money it generates to fund ship replacement? I honestly can't figure out what you're getting at.
I want yours and everyone's members to make that call. Goons may do it right to start but in the end it needs to be the members that decide if they want to do the thing that gets the goo to make the SRF or make good ole boys rich. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:49:00 -
[122] - Quote
you're saying some crap about distributing the 4.7 million units of technetium pumped out by our moons every month among 2000 members
"here's your 270m stipend ahahahah try not to lose more than a couple maelstroms this month" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:51:00 -
[123] - Quote
also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2132
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:53:00 -
[124] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits. I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply. Are you wanting us to distribute technitium to everybody instead of using the money it generates to fund ship replacement? I honestly can't figure out what you're getting at. I want yours and everyone's members to make that call. Goons may do it right to start but in the end it needs to be the members that decide if they want to do the thing that gets the goo to make the SRF or make good ole boys rich.
It would be literally ******** to distribute wealth that way. Plus why would I want to have to ship my monthly allotment of tech to Jita every month to have the money to buy ships when my alliance is willing to do it for me?
As for other alliances...people need to stop being sheep. If you are part of a nullsec alliance that makes money from moon goo and they don't have basic things like ship replacement or make you set your alarm clock for fleets then don't stay in that alliance. Idiots making a ton of money by RMTing alliance assets are only able to do so because their minions allow it. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:55:00 -
[125] - Quote
Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that"
That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2132
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:56:00 -
[126] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members
No it's for individual members to decide. If you don't like how your alliance's wealth is used then don't remain a member of that alliance.
This is not a difficult concept. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 07:59:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members No it's for individual members to decide. If you don't like how your alliance's wealth is used then don't remain a member of that alliance. This is not a difficult concept.
Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:02:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members
it benefits the non-participating nullbear types who do not go on fleets and opt to do nothing but run anoms for the purpose of getting bigger ships to run anoms in just as much as it benefits the dudes who actually get in fleet to defend our assets
i can assure you that this kind of policy would be wildly unpopular in any alliance "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2132
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:04:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in.
lol...alliances that try to run as a democracy usually fall apart rather quickly. Space Communism is the way to go.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:08:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in.
they said nothing about removing the moon mining mechanic, balancing moon minerals or literally anything that will stop technetium from being retardedly broken
space rocks that you mine for moon minerals with a ship would do nothing to solve the problem because it's a useless shotgun approach and it'd probably just make technetium go down to 50-90k isk/unit, which is still far more than the market value of neodymium (which would also hit rock-bottom)
i.e. we'd still milk tech moons and fight hostile titan fleets over them "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
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Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:09:00 -
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Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Andski wrote:also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit
i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members it benefits the non-participating nullbear types who do not go on fleets and opt to do nothing but run anoms for the purpose of getting bigger ships to run anoms in just as much as it benefits the dudes who actually get in fleet to defend our assets i can assure you that this kind of policy would be wildly unpopular in any alliance
Better hope its not unpopular as once moon goo becomes fishing goo you will be without a good chunk of your funds. Yet atleast if the ship fund goes down it will because the members decided it. |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:12:00 -
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Andski wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in. they said nothing about removing the moon mining mechanic, balancing moon minerals or literally anything that will stop technetium from being retardedly broken space rocks that you mine for moon minerals with a ship would do nothing to solve the problem because it's a useless shotgun approach and it'd probably just make technetium go down to 50-90k isk/unit, which is still far more than the market value of neodymium (which would also hit rock-bottom) i.e. we'd still milk tech moons and fight hostile titan fleets over them
Yes if you would watch the presentation again you will note his comparison of tech moons to ATMs spewing money. He would not have said that unless they plan on removing moon goo.
And value of tech all depends on how easy it is to find in fishing expeditions, how hard it is to bot for said expeditions, and how much war is affecting ability to go on said fishing expeditions across most or all of territory. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:12:00 -
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literally nothing that you do to technetium short of an across-the-board rebalancing of moon minerals accompanied by substantial changes to moon mining mechanics would solve the problem as it exists today
throwing more tech moons (or tech sources) into the game would just make neodymium the new bottleneck. R32 alchemy is the only worthwhile bandaid solution. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3394
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:13:00 -
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IIRC they compared R&D agents to ATMs spewing money "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Endeavour Starfleet
725
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:19:00 -
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Andski wrote:IIRC they compared R&D agents to ATMs spewing money
If I weren't so tired I would find the video of it and point it out however when he pointed out the moon reference he got a large applause from the crowd.
I distinctly heard moon mining and I doubt the crowd cares about agents that much in comparison. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.03.25 08:39:00 -
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Andski wrote:it benefits the non-participating nullbear types who do not go on fleets and opt to do nothing but run anoms for the purpose of getting bigger ships to run anoms in just as much as it benefits the dudes who actually get in fleet to defend our assets
i can assure you that this kind of policy would be wildly unpopular in any alliance Yes, if people are going to specialize in making money, they should contribute. Similarly those who get on fleets (though TBH so many blueballs) should recieve at least enough to keep them rolling in the (appropriate and reimbursement-approved) fitted ships.
From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
That said, I really need to work on getting blown up more, I seem to have a great knack for going on blueball ops. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Endeavour Starfleet
752
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:35:00 -
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Ok lets have a discussion about Moon goo instead of countless crap about the CSM.
Yes moon mining going buh bye! Discuss... |
Nambr1
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:23:00 -
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Andski wrote:Lexmana wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. Source? https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large Majority of bots in Caldari highsec. These are the true highsec ATMs. ahahaha pubbies actually thought that the majority of bots were in null so dumb
Same as yesterday. Over 150 000 npcs killed in Deklein. So goons are not valid to blame others for using bots. |
El Geo
Pathfinders. Mining For Profit Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:11:00 -
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personally i dont think moon goo will be made freely available in highsec via belts, maybe a small amount in lowsec and some higher amounts in nullsec and w-space would make sense, but yeah, keep selling that goo
what do you think a good price to start buying neod and tech for the inevitable spike? |
Mr Vrix
Vrix Nation
3
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Posted - 2012.03.28 17:38:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: It illustrates what the players who participated in the Summer of Rage are capable of.
Remember during the summer of rage when CCP brought the CSM to Iceland for an emergency meeting? If players unsubbing was the only thing responsible for all these great changes that meeting wouldn't have been necessary. I understand it's hard for some people to give a goon-led CSM credit but in this case it's deserved.
yeah yeah get ya head out of that dark place... that meeting wasnt needed atall, it was a pr stunt wich is all the csm is for..
delaying stuff so ppl would cooldown was there tactic. the crapload of unsubbing opened there eyes in a OMG way
the riot wasnt there to backup csm, most ppl dont believe in csm atall and its offcourse very nice they keep al secret about what they do so that we dont see ccp doesnt listen to them anyways, wel diddnt looked for any info i must fairly say but saying oooh i did it its thanks to me... while its not.. its yust stupid
did they ask csm about titannerf first ? nope about anythingh ? i doubt that
sometimes they yust feed csm abit to keep them hpy
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1305
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:33:00 -
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Xython wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. This isn't a surprise at all. You think all those ice miners running 20+ accounts are actually at keyboard, alt tabbing like mad? Of course not. That's why we Goons decided to do the Ice Interdiction. The entirety of EVE's economy is hedging on a bunch of botters, players who don't like the game enough to actually be bothered to play it.
Assumption is the mother of all ****ups
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
335
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Posted - 2012.03.28 18:57:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Yes moon mining going buh bye! Discuss...
fyi nobody has said anything about moon mining 'going bye bye'
CCP are looking at an additional source for the minerals, with no detail so far on what areas of space or what quantities these will appear in. Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
~If you want a picture of the future of WiS, imagine a spaceship, stamping on an avatar's face. Forever. |
Mentat Cthulhu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:11:00 -
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Nambr1 wrote:Andski wrote:Lexmana wrote:Tobiaz wrote:Lexmana wrote:You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec. Source? https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large Majority of bots in Caldari highsec. These are the true highsec ATMs. ahahaha pubbies actually thought that the majority of bots were in null so dumb Same as yesterday. Over 150 000 npcs killed in Deklein. So goons are not valid to blame others for using bots. majority of bots in empire are miners which introduce no new isk to the game (aside from the odd frigate they have to kill I guess)... |
Kyle Yanowski
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
39
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Posted - 2012.03.28 19:12:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6.
I will thank al gore for the internet as well. Pompous ass. |
Mathias Hex
Hillcrest Armaments
15
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:32:00 -
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Kyle Yanowski wrote:Ladie Harlot wrote:Yet another reason to thank The Mittani and CSM 6. I will thank al gore for the internet as well. Pompous ass.
^^ You see, its manbearpig I told you it was real! I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k. |
DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.03.28 22:37:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The goons comprise something of a virtual fight club. EvE is all about fighting. Perhaps it all fits together? Does not mean I like Mittani. In fact, I hate him. I don't know him, but if I did, I would hate him. Why? Because it's required of all players to hate him. There should be a skill book for it. By now I would have Hating Mittani trained up to 5 and Disliking Goons at least 4. To be honest I hate all of you.
Dear sir, I accept your Hate and extend mine unto you aswell |
Ira Infernus
Praetorium Illegitimus The.Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.03.28 23:00:00 -
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Is there a video link for this kicking about, or has someone got an audit as TBH I have had exams and have no idea what has happened recently :S |
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