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Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:40:00 -
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Rapala Armiron wrote:
1) ccp is putting safeties into the system that prevent the target from flipping your can back 2) the sec hit you take from defending yourself while being flagged. Both of these issues will surely reduce the incidence of can flipping and make pvp in high sec less likely.
1) So you will have a harder time killing noobs that has no idea what they're getting them selves into, I don't really think that this a valid point lol
2) Unless I understood this wrong, It was stated that they'll change how the relation between your sec status and system you can enter work, you'll be able to enter all systems till -5, and you can only go below -5 if you gank capsules, so another moot point Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
89
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:41:00 -
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Qvar Dar'Zanar wrote:'Woooo we can't shoot bears without consequences bohooooo now the game will be too easy for them bohoooo.'
Please *****.
Dont undock it encourages them. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
618
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:42:00 -
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The thing I hate about the suspect flag concept, its going to kill my profession (I'm a vulture, sitting outside popular stations and feeding off the war targets that don't make it). Then again... the change in war dec evasion policy already did most of that.
Its not that I don't want to be shot at. Thats fun. Getting blobbed isn't.
And if it won't have any effect on my choice of play... then I have to stop reading C&P...
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Solstice Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
1448
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:44:00 -
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It seems that this change finally separates the boys from the men.
Don't dare to take a can ? Well... beat it, kid !
Also, ElQ ... do you really believe that every system, from the day on the changes come, will be CROWDED with combat probes, just because there maybe, eventually, luckily be a pair of ships somewhere in space that have a 1vs1 ?
You got to be ******* kidding me!
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Gummy Plaude
University of Caille Gallente Federation
36
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:50:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote: Oh and one more big reason. Because I pay 15 a month to torment the living hell out of the braindead carebears and my money is as green as anyone elses. And since the majority of EVE is composed of similiar ilk as evidenced by space barbie going poof, microtransactions being the biggest joke ever, WOD backburnered and CCP Atlanta getting axed im confident its going to stay that way in the end.
And if it doesn't there will be a few more pinkslips handed out.
I'd caution any employee making suggestions for changes that could result in another protest. You might find yourself a scapegoat.
Look at this one guy, he still thinks that the whole Jita Riot was just about WiS. It had nothing to do with leaked documents nor golden ammo but just WIS. Also, what was the connection between WiS and Can fliping again?
Please... |
Garmon
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
178
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:52:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:It seems that this change finally separates the boys from the men.
I agree, current highsec pvpers that are crying are just going to get replaced by real pvpers, and they will not be missed Check out GARMONATION 9 right now! Check out our site for PVP videos, guides and audio commentaries: www.EVEisEASY.com
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Dragon Outlaw
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
63
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:53:00 -
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Rapala Armiron wrote: Both of these issues will surely reduce the incidence of can flipping and make pvp in high sec less likely.
No. More people will join RvB and there will be more high sec PvP then ever....that is if you dont mind playing against people that want to PvP. |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
416
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Posted - 2012.03.23 19:59:00 -
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why are people raging? you steal can your not a criminal anyone can shoot you, that is how it should be. hell this is the closest thing to bounty hunting we have seen in a long time. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1170
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:10:00 -
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The can flipping part of it makes sense. I feel like they're overdoing it with the "safety" switch, but in general I'm in favor of players making informed decisions, and the safety guarantees that.
I'm concerned about the aggression mechanics proposed. The information I've seen so far is vague to the point that I can't be sure it's even well-formed at CCP at this point, but some of the wording makes it sound like there will be too many sec status drops for legitimate combat.
If you flip a can and someone shoots you, they should not lose sec status. If you return fire at that point, you should not lose it either. Otherwise the implication is that "suspects" are required to simply accept the loss of their ship for stealing from a can. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Gnaw LF
16
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:36:00 -
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ElQuirko wrote:You people seem to be missing the point - consensual 1v1 PVP is now an impossibility. Before, the process was to drop a can with one unit of ammunition in it and have the other person flip it while in the same fleet. While neutral RR was possible, fleet boosters weren't and it was generally a fair process.
This change means that nobody can 1v1 PVP anywhere.
Its called safe spots. Fleet up, warp to safe spot, drop can, pvp. You can thank me later. |
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Thomas Abernathy
Phantom Squad Nulli Secunda
64
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:37:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:If CCP decides to follow through and wimpify hi sec into the land of eternal love and tolerance currently proposed I will start joining hi sec corps so I can kill off as many carebears as possible. I will use alts as well so they won't see it coming.
Who's with me?
Oh the tears?
OP: "I won't be able to farm noobs anymore CCP, how dare you make me actually have to play on hardmode!"
"Fighting CCD since 2139" |
Gnaw LF
16
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:40:00 -
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THE L0CK wrote:There once was a time when can flippers didn't even flag for doing what they did, they just stole and moved on.
And the miners and MR's whined about not being able to shoot them. So the dev's gave this to them.
This gave the can flippers targets to kill and take from the wrecks and proceeded to bait miners and MR's into shooting.
And the miners and MR's cried about lack of protection. So the dev's will allow all miners and MR's to flag the suspect.
What do you think will happen next?
I dont know, maybe the devs will keep adjusting the rules until they find a happy medium? You painted the picture with a bit of a bias. I see it differently. At one point there was no penalty at all for can flipping, then one was added but the devs also see that its being used to create non-consentual pvp that provides little to no content. Now they are expanding the rules, if those rules dont work out or if they are misused then a new system might be designed. Its a living game, things change, adopt or die is the motto. |
NightCrawler 85
Phoibe Enterprises
184
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:41:00 -
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Please keep in mind i do not have all the information regarding how this new system will (potentially) work.
Oddly enough i do not like the idea of a can flipper beeing flagged to everyone.. Im a carebear at heart,but doing this will just make high sec even safer and the people who live in high sec will have yet another thing that they simply dont have to worry about, which in turn will encurage more lazy EVE players who thinks that getting blown up and risking their assets is something that should not happen in high sec. This ofc will cause even more whines/rage on the forums when something DOES happen and they end up loosing a ship because they got suecide ganked/war decced/jumped in to low sec just to see how it was.
I love EVE because of the fact that it has risks and that you always have to be on your toes (even when doing something that can be very passive, like how some people do their mining). I could see them doing this in the starter systems and that i would actually support. A lot of young players dont know that it is illegal to can flip/bait noobs in those areas,thus they dont report it. But making sure that those that steal your can in those systems gets flagged to everyone...If nothing else it might be interesting to see a bunch of 1 week old players trying to blow you up
But bottom line...I can understand why people would want empire "safer",but remember that this is EVE...Its not supposed to be safe and it simply wouldn't be as fun/challenging if it was.
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Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
95
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:43:00 -
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what.. i.. nah.. i see people already flamed you. carry on peeps |
Gnaw LF
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:43:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Propmod wrote:masternerdguy wrote:If CCP decides to follow through and wimpify hi sec into the land of eternal love and tolerance currently proposed I will start joining hi sec corps so I can kill off as many carebears as possible. I will use alts as well so they won't see it coming.
Who's with me? If you dont play for easy mode... why are you in high sec? To avoid cap ship blobs and hot drops. To be able to perform logistics without a second account. To mission. To market. To socialize with the majority of the population. To avoid being the ***** of some alliance in which no one makes money after CTAs except for the douche collecting taxes from its members.
The question remains, why are you in high-sec? You can live in w-space and have everything that you listed (except market). |
Selissa Shadoe
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
18
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:46:00 -
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Ana Vyr wrote:Only in EvE do we find risk adverse mass murderers.
Oh, that's such an awesome quote :) Mind if I steal it for a sig? :D |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
498
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Posted - 2012.03.23 20:50:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:If CCP decides to follow through and wimpify hi sec into the land of eternal love and tolerance currently proposed I will start joining hi sec corps so I can kill off as many carebears as possible. I will use alts as well so they won't see it coming.
Who's with me? Oh look, masternerdbuy is trolling again.
On topic, but the game has been wimped out to much lately and its not even in highsec. Think we can get CCP to bring back Titan tracking and Super Carriers like they were just post Dominion? God they were powerful and I don't even fly or fight them, but damn I want them back to just prove EVE isn't as fair to the guys who think carebears whine but then the whinebears in null and lowsec get pounded by Titans and Carriers. Heck, lets bring back EVE as it was shortly before Hilmar had his breakdown late last year...cause I know there was more whinebears in null and low against capital ships which got wimped down because of whining they can't deal with Super Carrier Fleets or Titan Blobs .
Opps, did I show that everyone whines in EVE ? |
THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
58
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:02:00 -
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Gnaw LF wrote:THE L0CK wrote:There once was a time when can flippers didn't even flag for doing what they did, they just stole and moved on.
And the miners and MR's whined about not being able to shoot them. So the dev's gave this to them.
This gave the can flippers targets to kill and take from the wrecks and proceeded to bait miners and MR's into shooting.
And the miners and MR's cried about lack of protection. So the dev's will allow all miners and MR's to flag the suspect.
What do you think will happen next? I dont know, maybe the devs will keep adjusting the rules until they find a happy medium? You painted the picture with a bit of a bias. I see it differently. At one point there was no penalty at all for can flipping, then one was added but the devs also see that its being used to create non-consentual pvp that provides little to no content. Now they are expanding the rules, if those rules dont work out or if they are misused then a new system might be designed. Its a living game, things change, adopt or die is the motto.
Non-consensual? My good sir, if you choose to fire upon that can flipper you are hereby consenting to pvp.
My point was that at one point people complained about not being able to attack can flippers and we gave them that option. while most continued to not attack some tried but that's like the peasant attacking a militant. So now they complain that they can't stand up to a can flipper. So now the dev's are saying alright, everyone in the belt can attack this man. Personally I see ultra baits happening on both sides in the foreseeable future, and the tear streams will run red. Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
Propmod
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:07:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Propmod wrote:masternerdguy wrote:If CCP decides to follow through and wimpify hi sec into the land of eternal love and tolerance currently proposed I will start joining hi sec corps so I can kill off as many carebears as possible. I will use alts as well so they won't see it coming.
Who's with me? If you dont play for easy mode... why are you in high sec? To avoid cap ship blobs and hot drops. To be able to perform logistics without a second account. To mission. To market. To socialize with the majority of the population. To avoid being the ***** of some alliance in which no one makes money after CTAs except for the douche collecting taxes from its members. woooooooooooooosh |
Twulf
The Konvergent League Sanctuary Pact
6
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:18:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:If CCP decides to follow through and wimpify hi sec into the land of eternal love and tolerance currently proposed I will start joining hi sec corps so I can kill off as many carebears as possible. I will use alts as well so they won't see it coming.
Who's with me?
It seems you do play the game on easy mode if you hunt newbies in highsec and call it PVP. |
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JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
86
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:26:00 -
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So let me get this straight; hisec pvpers (that IS what you are, right?) are whining about a theoretical change that would make it easier for anyone to jump in and fight them? Why the whine? |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
46
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:46:00 -
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JamesCLK wrote:So let me get this straight; hisec pvpers (that IS what you are, right?) are whining about a theoretical change that would make it easier for anyone to jump in and fight them? Why the whine?
It sets a bad precedent. CCP is caving to whiners. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
27
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:49:00 -
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I have not been to highsec literally in years except the occasional brief trip to buy something for cheap. I do not go there because I like PVP and highsec PVP is literally the most infantile and inferior form of PVP currently available in Eve Online. Frankly I think it's a good idea. It forces quasi-carebear faux-PVPers like you to have to go somewhere that is actually dangerous to get a fight. |
Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
328
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:52:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:Carver DiGriz wrote:Propmod wrote:If you dont play for easy mode... why are you in high sec? That. Not the point. Hisec should NEVER be a safe place.
Hisec is not a safe place, thus the above is moot. To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
46
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:54:00 -
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Garmon wrote:I see it as being the exact opposite and only the "carebears" of pvpers are crying about it
I'm going to have to disagree garmon. I do see where you're coming from. There is a huge potential for combat escalation with the new system.
I see this as the writing on the wall. It sets a really bad standard for future changes to pvp mechanics. If they eventually mess with wardecs and make them only consensual a massive strategic element of the game will be lost and POSes will be nigh invulnerable in hi sec.
I've always been in favor of making all of EVE nullsec though. I would greatly prefer that to this solution. Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Professor Alphane
Alphane Research Co-operative
308
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Posted - 2012.03.23 21:54:00 -
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Pirate tears = best tears
I'm gonna QQ if I have to have a fair fight
YOU MUST THINK FIRST.... |
Rumless MK2
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.23 22:02:00 -
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Confirming that ganking unsuspecting bears in empire is hard mode. |
Cipher Jones
373
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Posted - 2012.03.23 22:11:00 -
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Twulf wrote:masternerdguy wrote:If CCP decides to follow through and wimpify hi sec into the land of eternal love and tolerance currently proposed I will start joining hi sec corps so I can kill off as many carebears as possible. I will use alts as well so they won't see it coming.
Who's with me? It seems you do play the game on easy mode if you hunt newbies in highsec and call it PVP.
It takes 221 days to fly a hulk with no tII crystals and all certificates. 141 for a mackinaw. THat aint got nothing to do with new players whatsoever. Just pointing that out.
cipher jones, alone and unloved after his campaign against the evil goonies, resorts to stealing their techniques to become loved |
Gnaw LF
20
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Posted - 2012.03.23 22:41:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:masternerdguy wrote:If CCP decides to follow through and wimpify hi sec into the land of eternal love and tolerance currently proposed I will start joining hi sec corps so I can kill off as many carebears as possible. I will use alts as well so they won't see it coming.
Who's with me? Oh look, masternerdbuy is trolling again. On topic, but the game has been wimped out to much lately and its not even in highsec. Think we can get CCP to bring back Titan tracking and Super Carriers like they were just post Dominion? God they were powerful and I don't even fly or fight them, but damn I want them back to just prove EVE isn't as fair to the guys who think carebears whine but then the whinebears in null and lowsec get pounded by Titans and Carriers. Heck, lets bring back EVE as it was shortly before Hilmar had his breakdown late last year...cause I know there was more whinebears in null and low against capital ships which got wimped down because of whining they can't deal with Super Carrier Fleets or Titan Blobs . Opps, did I show that everyone whines in EVE ?
No, it didnt. Titan tracking and stats are getting nerfed because it makes them too secure and very low risk. Look at the trend, every time there is a change that makes stuff blow up, null sec welcomes it. For example, the logoff timers, impact everyone. They were welcome, logi changes that are being proposed (aggression for assisting someone), they too will be welcome. On the other hand, the whiners in high sec arent welcoming a change that will make more stuff blow up. Why? Probably because they want to gank in a risk free environment. |
JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
86
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Posted - 2012.03.23 22:43:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:JamesCLK wrote:So let me get this straight; hisec pvpers (that IS what you are, right?) are whining about a theoretical change that would make it easier for anyone to jump in and fight them? Why the whine? It sets a bad precedent. CCP is caving to whiners.
Then this is whineception :psyduck: |
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