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Baud Grillard
Gallente The Forge Institute for Social Research
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Posted - 2008.08.24 06:38:00 -
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We at The Forge Institute for Social Research (FISOC) has created the Stark Light Trust Fund to collect and distribute ressources to be used in the fight against the Star Fractions attempt to cease the power and imagination of the Caldari people and the pod pilot community.
Corporations not fit to battle the Star Fraction at the frontlines, are encouraged to donate what you can to the Institute. The money collected will then be distributed to any corporations and/or alliances that are currently involved in actual fighting against the Star Fraction.
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At FISOC we have for a long time been aware of the revolutionary stirr in the Caldari factories. In fact, it was this that made it possible for us to remove ourselves from the empty amusement of Gallente "Freedom". It was among the Caldari that the revolutionary spirit was at the highest, a spirit that did not only move horisontally through the lowest classes of the Caldari, but had also moved vertically into the higher. Thus, it was a small circle of foresighted Caldari businessmen that made it possible for us to found our institute in the Forge, an institute with the purpose to study this revolutionary spirit among the Caldari, and provide guidelines and suggestions to further it. Unfortunately we had only been in Forge a few weeks when Tibus Heth grabbed the revolutionary imagination of the masses.
Heth distorted the revolutionary spirit into racial hatred, and then into war. A war always begins as a civil war, civil war is the foundation for any war whatsoever. A state will always try to argue that agression against its own citizens are justified in light of the threat from its enemies. But it does not change the fact that when a State goes to war, it is its own citizens that suffer first, and often also the most.
The Star Fraction has opted to throw itself into this environment. They have done this by declaring war on primarily Caldari Corporations involved in this already unfortunate state of repression. The question is why. To answer that it's not sufficient to just accept their justifications. Heth already proved that words cannot be trusted alone.
It has long been obvious that the revolutionary spirit is the strongest amongst the caldari people compared to the other races. But this spirit is now being fought on two fronts. One led by Heth as he chose to de facto wage civil war on his own people. A second led by the Star Fraction who now might be campaiging for his seat of power under the guise of aiding the revolutionary spirit. Some parts of the community even indicates that Heth and the Star Fraction might be collaborators, and that their campaigns are orchestrated by the same forces. Certainly they seem to share the same methods, even if their justifications seem divided. These sources argue that it has primarily been Caldari corporations that would go against Heth, that has been targeted by the Star Fraction. It's quite possible that Heth is using the Star Fraction to further his own goals. The Caldari Militia has done well, and the introduction of the Star Fraction into the conflict could be an indication that a process of internal cleansing has begun.
[TBC]
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Baud Grillard
Gallente The Forge Institute for Social Research
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Posted - 2008.08.24 06:39:00 -
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Wars and conflict can be times of enlightenment. The lights of freedom and the black holes of repression becomes clearer, and unfortunately the Star Fraction has showed themselves to be on the side of darkness. There can no longer be any doubt that Heth is a counter revolutionary, he has misled the people of the Caldari, and many Caldari citizens were among the first to realize this, even in the factories of Piak. But it's also very likely that Heth himself already knew that from the beginning. There was no self delusion in Heth, he knew then and know now exactly what he is. The Star Fraction might not have that insight, thus making them far more dangerous than Heth in the long run. The Star Fraction claims to be fighting for freedom, but more and more it appears that what the alliance is really fighting for, is either to defeat Heth and cease his seat of tyranny, or it is to diminish the internal resistance within the Caldari nation.
For this reason, the progressive segments of the caldari population, and beyond that, every single pod pilot who has realized the civilizing potential within the pod pilot communities should now join together. FISOC and our Caldari backers share many of the same goals and aspirations expressed by the Star Fraction. But it's also obvious that the actions of the Star Fraction goes completely against those goals, thus making the Star Fraction every bit as counter revolutionary as Tibus Heth and his backers and followers. While Heths hipocrisy is surely obvious to a growing number of the caldari people, the hipocrisy of the Star Fraction seems to be more veiled, more sinister.
The Star Fraction has had a few successes convincing corporations to remove themselves from the Caldari militia. A few corporations has thrown themselves at the feet of the Star Fraction, humiliating themselves in public. Only the strongest heth backers will be left in the Militia, and those corporations that would rise against Heth at a later date, will have their ressources diminished by the actions of the Star Fraction.
There are no signs that the Star Fraction will cease to withdraw themselves, on the contrary, they will continue to try to grab the imagination and revolutionary force of the Caldari and distort it to fit their own and Heths purposes. For that reason FISOC has set up the Stark Light Trust Fund to aid any corporation and/or alliance who take it upon themselves to fight the agression and deceptions of the Star Fraction.
We have already recieved several donations, but more is needed. Donations will be distributed on a weekly basis to any corp involved in conflict with the Star Fraction.
Director and Chief Researcher Baud Grillard
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jdok
Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.24 07:27:00 -
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Edited by: jdok on 24/08/2008 07:31:07 awesome, just send the isk to me and I'll get things done!*
*things getting done is not guaranteed ___________________________
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Bacchanalian
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.24 07:47:00 -
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I am happy to accept the isk on SF's behalf. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops'
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.24 07:50:00 -
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The sooner Heth is disposed the better. Be that via an assassin's knife or bombardment from and orbiting fleet. Then the real work of uprooting the corruption that has been brought upon the Caldari People by the oligarchy of the hawkish and unscrupulous Megacorp leadership and their agents can be started. Then, and only then, can the Caldari people take the steps to make sure that the atrocity of the Heth regime can never be repeated. ----- *results may vary*
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Karanth
Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.08.24 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar The sooner Heth is disposed the better. Be that via an assassin's knife or bombardment from and orbiting fleet. Then the real work of uprooting the corruption that has been brought upon the Caldari People by the oligarchy of the hawkish and unscrupulous Megacorp leadership and their agents can be started. Then, and only then, can the Caldari people take the steps to make sure that the atrocity of the Heth regime can never be repeated.
What are you doing in my mind? As long as you didn't see my contingency plans for dealing with any rogue clones Heth might have running around, I'll let it pass this time. For future trips, I'll require 24 hours written notice.
Heth is an atrocity, though. Against all sentient beings, against freedom, and against what the State says it stands for.
Make me pretty!
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Heartstone
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.24 12:20:00 -
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Yes yes and Ushra'Khan are secretly trying to enslave the entire Matarian people, PIE are looking for ways to alter their genetic code to be more like their Brutor heroes whilst the thukker sit around and plan on which planet they want to settle. I mean seriously if you can think of anything more ridiculous let me know.
Star Fraction does recognize the inherent revolutionary spirit of change within the soul of the Caldari peoples. We accept some deluded fools think they can fight Heth whilst supporting the Militia. We disagree. Success for the Militia will be seen, at home, as success for Heth. After all it was his Xenophobic mandate that was responsible in part for the Militia being created in the first place so furthering it is a validation of his policies. If it was just the Caldari people who Heth threatened then we would leave it up to them to deal with as we firmly believe in the self-determinization need of people to be truly free however Heth threatens through his policy and deeds the very fabric of capusleer life in New Eden. We fight those who would strengthen his hand. We fight those who may indeed hate him but still unwittingly support him. We accept that not everyone, nay not even most, will accept what we believe. We accept that there will be blood and rage and hatred born out of this struggle. So be it. Somethings are more important that people's sensibilities or self image.
You talk of not believing in what we say and we accept that. We accept your view of the political and social aspects of the Caldari situation maybe be different to ours and we respect that. You talk of making moves to block us this we do not accept. This we will not allow. Come bring your isk, your fleet and your words to meet us in the wide open spaces of the universe. It is there we will see those who are truly determined in their path and those whom pay lip service to an ideal. We fight for what we believe in with our minds and our souls and therefore whilst we may die a thousand thousand deaths we will still be there. We will still slaughter those who stand against us. Our war is on many fronts. Whilst, for a while we may focus on one aspect of our enemy's many facets and that focus may shift and change as the universe changes we always fight for the same reasons, the same belief and the same self accepted truths.
We will be fighting again the Tyrant Heth and his type long after you have lost interest in us and our doings. Your words, you isk and your ships will not stop us. Only the future has the ability to stop us. A future we hope for.
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.24 14:03:00 -
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What?
Is this some Gallente attempt to continue to interfere in the affairs of State corporations by a means other war? Keep your isk and go home.
Originally by: "Karanth" What are you doing in my mind? As long as you didn't see my contingency plans for dealing with any rogue clones Heth might have running around, I'll let it pass this time. For future trips, I'll require 24 hours written notice. Heth is an atrocity, though. Against all sentient beings, against freedom, and against what the State says it stands for.
Tibus Heth likely doesn't have clones, he is attempting an everyman image. He has power because his ideas are popular with the wage earners; not the executives.
Also the institutions of State were a means for the megacorporations to have collective power in CONCORD, increase the influence of the megacorporations on that stage, and minimize internal conflict.
Originally by: "Gorion Wassenar" Then the real work of uprooting the corruption that has been brought upon the Caldari People by the oligarchy of the hawkish and unscrupulous Megacorp leadership and their agents can be started.
I am sorry I thought that was what Tibus Heth was doing and not all that well I might add. Who do you plan on replacing various executives with? Your immediate family?
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.24 15:46:00 -
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* The Cosmopolite chuckles...
You might better spend your time examining the record of some of these so-called 'Anti-Heth' corporations. You understand the ones I mean? Those that have signed up with Heth's militia, thus lending their arms to his brutal dictatorship and bending their wills in conformity with his narrow vision.
Some of these people even went so far as to dissolve their sovereign alliances to suckle at the teat of Heth's militarism and the aggressive expansionism that he has so eagerly embraced. Some of them, moreover, are directly responsible for killing tens of thousands of Caldari citizens who were trying to petition the State authorities in the form of the CEP.
I think some who presently complain about Heth, impotently and with all the dignity of a worm on a fish-hook, while happily supporting his regime in deed, might meditate on their actions in recent history. They avoided any meaningful personal consequences after helping to massacre citizens of the State at the behest of mysterious agents provocateur. Those citizens, let us recall, sought only to petition the legally-constituted central authority of the State. Yet they were killed in cold blood by paramilitary thugs. This same gang of butchers now complains about Heth at any opportunity. Sheerest hypocrisy. They took their obscene pay and rank cuts. They neglected to accept exile or ritual suicide. Yet I do not think they have avoided the political and ethical corruption that would inevitably follow such an act.
The people they killed, those citizens, wanted to speak with the CEP. Heth and his Provist thugs (along with obviously powerful persons unknown), riding a roiling wave of public outrage with every other outlet for it stamped shut, have subverted it. Quite an outcome for those who wring their hands about the monstrousness of Heth while neglecting to note the blood still clinging to those hands: blood that trails all the way to the Hethist coup.
Examine these counter-revolutionaries. Examine these deniers of the Caldari spirit of freedom.
As for us, we will continue to work alongside Jamyl Sarum. She has invited me for high tea next week and I shall be sure to pass on your good wishes.
The Cosmopolite
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BloodBird
Gallente Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.24 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite As for us, we will continue to work alongside Jamyl Sarum. She has invited me for high tea next week and I shall be sure to pass on your good wishes.
And here I was thinking that SF did not like the Amarrian empire any more than any other government, and did infact seek to abolish all empires so that anarchy might rule the universe... or something like that.
Would you mind clearing this up? What is your stance on the Amarrian empire and why are you drinking tea with the current Empress?
I'm confused, to be honest.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2008.08.24 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: BloodBird
Would you mind clearing this up? What is your stance on the Amarrian empire and why are you drinking tea with the current Empress?
She told me personally the other day that the empire was forswearing all traffic in slavery and was going to pay the Minmatar republic a trillion trillion isk in war reparations while disbanding the imperial navy and adopting freespace ethics.
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BloodBird
Gallente Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: BloodBird
Would you mind clearing this up? What is your stance on the Amarrian empire and why are you drinking tea with the current Empress?
She told me personally the other day that the empire was forswearing all traffic in slavery and was going to pay the Minmatar republic a trillion trillion isk in war reparations while disbanding the imperial navy and adopting freespace ethics.
Nevermind. Asking an honest question of Star Fraction is obviously a waste of time.
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Adrian Steel
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland What?
Is this some Gallente attempt to continue to interfere in the affairs of State corporations by a means other war? Keep your isk and go home.
This new "Trust Fund" aberration is most amusing indeed. It does reek of organized Federate-backed Psy-Ops. It's one of their favorite trump cards, after all.
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Jebizael Hunter
Gallente Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: BloodBird
Originally by: The Cosmopolite As for us, we will continue to work alongside Jamyl Sarum. She has invited me for high tea next week and I shall be sure to pass on your good wishes.
And here I was thinking that SF did not like the Amarrian empire any more than any other government, and did infact seek to abolish all empires so that anarchy might rule the universe... or something like that.
Would you mind clearing this up? What is your stance on the Amarrian empire and why are you drinking tea with the current Empress?
I'm confused, to be honest.
The initiating comment is sarcasm.
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BloodBird
Gallente Tactical Freedom Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.24 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jebizael Hunter
Originally by: BloodBird
Originally by: The Cosmopolite As for us, we will continue to work alongside Jamyl Sarum. She has invited me for high tea next week and I shall be sure to pass on your good wishes.
And here I was thinking that SF did not like the Amarrian empire any more than any other government, and did infact seek to abolish all empires so that anarchy might rule the universe... or something like that.
Would you mind clearing this up? What is your stance on the Amarrian empire and why are you drinking tea with the current Empress?
I'm confused, to be honest.
The initiating comment is sarcasm.
Uuuurgg... ofcourse it is... I need to stop viewing the summit when I'm tired, I've done this mistake before.
Thanks for pointing this out, though.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.25 05:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dex Nederland
I am sorry I thought that was what Tibus Heth was doing and not all that well I might add.
Agreed, all he is doing is removing anyone who could challenge his "leadership".
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Who do you plan on replacing various executives with? Your immediate family?
*Gorion laughs*
How unsurprising that the first thing you assume is a personal power grab. Your thinking is so traditional. No, the only ones worthy to choose the destiny of the corporations are those whom have the most vested interests in those corporations. The workers, unions, and shareholders preferably in that order. Heth, in contradiction of some of our most valued principles, has removed even that right from the whole of all the corporations gripped in his fist. Executives and all. And that I cannot abide. ----- *results may vary*
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Sviw D
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:06:00 -
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So while Heth has greatest support seen in decades from workers, unions, and shareholders you want to replace him with another guy, we can call him Mr. X, who you claim can serve the workers, unions, and shareholders better?
Are you certain Mr. X isn't just going to serve YOU better?
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Dex Nederland
Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gorion Wassenar
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Who do you plan on replacing various executives with? Your immediate family?
How unsurprising that the first thing you assume is a personal power grab. Your thinking is so traditional. No, the only ones worthy to choose the destiny of the corporations are those whom have the most vested interests in those corporations. The workers, unions, and shareholders preferably in that order. Heth, in contradiction of some of our most valued principles, has removed even that right from the whole of all the corporations gripped in his fist. Executives and all. And that I cannot abide.
*shudders at the thought of Gallente style unions
Well in light of recent events, is it wrong of me to worry about one demagogue attempting to replace another? Many times these individuals will reward their friends and family with power.
Traditional thought suggest those with ability and merit rise to be executives within the corporations.
As to who should choose the destiny of corporations that is the board of directors chosen by the shareholders. There are no laws against the employees of a corporation owning stock in that corporation. In my opinion, if you want to establish a "union" of the workers; it could be done by allowing them to organize as a group and purchase stock, thus increasing their personal control of the corporation. If some capsuleer decides to throw a few million isk their way for their purchase of those shares that is their decision. This would give the employees a say in the corporations path.
In my opinion you are in the wrong place to achieve such goals.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.25 17:27:00 -
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I don't disagree with any of those methods to increase influence of the workforce within a given corporation. As for your position to effect change I also think you are also in the wrong place to achieve such goals as your current passive resistance to Heth's rise to power will only allow the damage he will do to the Caldari people to only be greater and more extensive. The sooner he is removed, the better. ----- *results may vary*
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Vieve Tisserand
Gallente Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.08.25 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Adrian Steel
Originally by: Dex Nederland What?
Is this some Gallente attempt to continue to interfere in the affairs of State corporations by a means other war? Keep your isk and go home.
This new "Trust Fund" aberration is most amusing indeed. It does reek of organized Federate-backed Psy-Ops. It's one of their favorite trump cards, after all.
Having an obvious Gallente be a front for an organization that purports to be devoted to Caldari well-being? Mercies, I would think the usual suspects for such operations would have a wee bit more sense.
As Nederland-haan has already illustrated by his comments, such hardly makes this organization seem trustworthy. I daresay Monsieur Grillard will have a more difficult time insinuating himself into a position where he can either help or harm than he would have if he were, say, Deteis?
Still, stranger things have happened.
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