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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:04:00 -
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just wanted to ask people on how they think gallente will be after nano nerf, i know ammar adn caldari will be good any ideas on gallente?
wardeneo
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo just wanted to ask people on how they think gallente will be after nano nerf, i know ammar adn caldari will be good any ideas on gallente?
wardeneo
Blaster boats are taking a hit. The smaller and faster the BB, the less it'll suffer I imagine, but the BS BB's are going to feel it. Ishtar is great nano'd, but that will no longer be viable. You can try tanking it out, but I'd personally fly a domi over a tanked ishtar in 90% of situations. Gallente have some very nice smaller ships though, and they should still do fine post patch.
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Wardeneo
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:15:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: Wardeneo just wanted to ask people on how they think gallente will be after nano nerf, i know ammar adn caldari will be good any ideas on gallente?
wardeneo
Blaster boats are taking a hit..
this is what i was thinking :(
i love blaster boats, diemos, brutix, mega etc but soon they might strugly to get to there targets, thats my only fear!
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.24 17:17:00 -
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Hey Wardeneo.. long time no see man.
The way things are looking right now: - BS Blasters are taking a huge hit in effectiveness from the web/agility/speed nerf - Ishtar is taking a huge hit in effectiveness because it can no longer be nano'd - Diemost is still a glass cannon with no HP - Arazu/Lachesis are getting boosts via the scram boost. Keres will still suck (sorry) - Taranis is getting a boost because it's easier to catch and kill stuff - Ishkur/Enyo are looking Sexo Hottz because of a general rebalancing of AF's. Avoid the Wolf because it's custom made to gank other AF's. - Brutix/Myrm I haven't spent any time in so I can't comment.
Uh, that's all I can think of right now... but the blaster situation is really dire. They'll have to really screw over missiles to make blasters worthwhile... and even still they've had a massive effectiveness nerf due to mass/acceleration changes.
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
Stab Wounds
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.24 18:25:00 -
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blaster ship will be fine after patch, they will still be the highest dps ships in the game. with everything slowing down it will be easier to catch people with a blaster ship and slower drones will work better.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.24 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds blaster ship will be fine after patch, they will still be the highest dps ships in the game. with everything slowing down it will be easier to catch people with a blaster ship and slower drones will work better.
Rule number one of the Eve O forums: Whatever Stab Wounds says, believe the opposite.
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Valtis Thermalion
Caldari Humantarget
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds blaster ship will be fine after patch, they will still be the highest dps ships in the game. with everything slowing down it will be easier to catch people with a blaster ship and slower drones will work better.
With 400% increase in transversal velocity, and with worse speed and agility, blaster boats are hardly "fine" after the patch, especially since missile boats have no issues with these changes.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
Originally by: Stab Wounds blaster ship will be fine after patch, they will still be the highest dps ships in the game. with everything slowing down it will be easier to catch people with a blaster ship and slower drones will work better.
With 400% increase in transversal velocity, and with worse speed and agility, blaster boats are hardly "fine" after the patch, especially since missile boats have no issues with these changes.
400%? talk about exaggerating. blasters have the best tracking of all guns. keep crying youre tears are sweet.
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Killiker
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Killiker on 24/08/2008 20:13:08 edit: Also id like to say that the Ishtar use to work fine tanked before people use to nano it.
People need to learn to adapt blasters are for real men anyway ;)
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds 400%? talk about exaggerating. blasters have the best tracking of all guns. keep crying youre tears are sweet.
It's 300%, actually. Math works as follows:
TQ: X m/s * (1 - 0.9) = 0.1X m/s Test: X m/s * (1 - 0.6) = 0.4X m/s
They'll be going 4x as fast in web range (300% speed increase).
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds
Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
Originally by: Stab Wounds blaster ship will be fine after patch, they will still be the highest dps ships in the game. with everything slowing down it will be easier to catch people with a blaster ship and slower drones will work better.
With 400% increase in transversal velocity, and with worse speed and agility, blaster boats are hardly "fine" after the patch, especially since missile boats have no issues with these changes.
400%? talk about exaggerating. blasters have the best tracking of all guns. keep crying youre tears are sweet.
It's actually 300% increase, or 400% of original value.
And no, he's not exaggerating.
Pre-patch: 300 m/s target gets webbed, goes 30m/s (90% reduction) Post-patch: 300 m/s target gets webbed, goes 120m/s (60% reduction)
Speed while webbed is now 4 times faster than it used to be... 4x faster = 400% of origianl value, or 1x value + 3x value, or 100% + 300%, or 300% increase.
l2math? __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:15:00 -
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Quickfix: boost large blaster tracking.
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New Prophet
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:17:00 -
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So our only viable ship after the nerf is a dominix and maybe a Azaru.
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Valtis Thermalion
Caldari Humantarget
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Stab Wounds
Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
Originally by: Stab Wounds blaster ship will be fine after patch, they will still be the highest dps ships in the game. with everything slowing down it will be easier to catch people with a blaster ship and slower drones will work better.
With 400% increase in transversal velocity, and with worse speed and agility, blaster boats are hardly "fine" after the patch, especially since missile boats have no issues with these changes.
400%? talk about exaggerating. blasters have the best tracking of all guns. keep crying youre tears are sweet.
It's actually 300% increase, or 400% of original value.
And no, he's not exaggerating.
Pre-patch: 300 m/s target gets webbed, goes 30m/s (90% reduction) Post-patch: 300 m/s target gets webbed, goes 120m/s (60% reduction)
Speed while webbed is now 4 times faster than it used to be... 4x faster = 400% of origianl value, or 1x value + 3x value, or 100% + 300%, or 300% increase.
l2math?
I fail at math :(
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Valtis Thermalion
Caldari Humantarget
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds 400%? talk about exaggerating. blasters have the best tracking of all guns. keep crying youre tears are sweet.
As with my "tears", I fly only caldari hulls, but I do realize that gallente ships are getting nerfed for no reason at all. Nanos are somewhat overpowered at the moment, especially when fitted with faction gear etc. but the scale of this nerf both severely hurts speed tanking AND close range turret ships.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: New Prophet So our only viable ship after the nerf is a dominix and maybe a Azaru.
Hmm, I think a somewhat complete list of worthwhile Gallente ships after the nano nerf: Iskhur (AF boost) Enyo (AF boost) Taranis (speed normalization means you can catch more things in a plate setup) Thorax (Med blasters track ok still) Vexor (Not nerfed at all) Ishtar (T2 sentries + TD and it's still an ok ship) Phobos (Lowsec piracy, of course) Brutix (Cheap high dps ganker, med blasters still track ok) Astarte (Eh, if you got the cash I guess) Domi (Not nerfed) Thanatos (Decent carrier) Moros (Excellent dread) Itty 5 (Great hauler. :p)
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
Ruciza
Minmatar The Feminists
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:24:00 -
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Edited by: Ruciza on 24/08/2008 20:25:06 Gallente tears fuel my will to live.
Especially tears of unwarranted whining.
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Arkadrell
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Posted - 2008.08.24 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ruciza Edited by: Ruciza on 24/08/2008 20:25:06 Gallente tears fuel my will to live.
Especially tears of unwarranted whining.
this is sad, a min picking a gallente, isnt the new thing gonna hurt both of you abit (mostly mins) and strengthening caldari even more and slightly amarr too?
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.24 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Stab Wounds
Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
Originally by: Stab Wounds blaster ship will be fine after patch, they will still be the highest dps ships in the game. with everything slowing down it will be easier to catch people with a blaster ship and slower drones will work better.
With 400% increase in transversal velocity, and with worse speed and agility, blaster boats are hardly "fine" after the patch, especially since missile boats have no issues with these changes.
400%? talk about exaggerating. blasters have the best tracking of all guns. keep crying youre tears are sweet.
It's actually 300% increase, or 400% of original value.
And no, he's not exaggerating.
Pre-patch: 300 m/s target gets webbed, goes 30m/s (90% reduction) Post-patch: 300 m/s target gets webbed, goes 120m/s (60% reduction)
Speed while webbed is now 4 times faster than it used to be... 4x faster = 400% of origianl value, or 1x value + 3x value, or 100% + 300%, or 300% increase.
l2math?
Keep in mind who you're arguing with.
You're taking a stab wounds post way too seriously. Of course it's nonsense, look at the poster, heh. Of course he doesn't have a clue what he's talking about, look at the poster. Of course there's no point arguing, or even taking it seriously, look at ... you get the point.
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Gimpb
Sturmgrenadier Inc Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.08.24 23:51:00 -
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The web nerf will make things hard for large ships trying to shoot small ones, but for small ships trying to fight large ones it's a big boost.
It'll be a hit to the blasterthron, no doubt, but think about the boost it will be for the smaller blaster boats when attacking bigger stuff.
Honestly, anything that helps smaller ships perform well against larger ships is a good thing in my book. Neuts and drones are enough of an advantage for larger ships, imho.
So it might be a hit for the blasterthron, but for the incursus, tristan, ishkur, enyo, thorax, vexor, diemos, and taranis... game on!
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Radcjk
Caldari Dark Star LTD
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Posted - 2008.08.25 00:36:00 -
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Ypu know, in late 05 / early 06, blaster boats did fine before the nano craze kicked in. The rebalance / mod change in Warp Scramblers might change how one can approach a target with MWD's if they go through with plans as suggested, but blasters worked pre nano ago just fine.
Hell, you might actually start catching some targets that have slowed down and are no longer viable as a nano boat. Any one considered that ?
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Kira Novia
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Posted - 2008.08.25 00:58:00 -
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I've spec'd Gallente. So I am a blaster-pilot. I've played with a Deimos and Astarte on SiSi...
If the mass nerf + web nerf + mwd changes go through, it's over for blaster boats. Period. Anybody who tells you different either doesn't fly blaster boats, hasn't been on SiSi, or just hates them because they always die.
CCP is taking a sledge hammer to fix a glass window and it isn't right.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.25 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Radcjk Ypu know, in late 05 / early 06, blaster boats did fine before the nano craze kicked in. The rebalance / mod change in Warp Scramblers might change how one can approach a target with MWD's if they go through with plans as suggested, but blasters worked pre nano ago just fine.
Hell, you might actually start catching some targets that have slowed down and are no longer viable as a nano boat. Any one considered that ?
It's not the nano nerf that's killing blasters.. it's the mass/acceleration "tweaks" to blaster boats (meaning that you spend 3/4's of your capacitor just getting to the target because you accelerate so dog slow) coupled with the 4x speed increase that ships are getting in web range.
Blasters are essentially getting their tracking cut to a third of what it is now. It's a nerf to more than just nanos.
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
Tacit Malice
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Posted - 2008.08.25 04:35:00 -
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So are projectiles screwed now too? Last time I checked my medium weapons didn't track much better than blasters. I guess a TD will be a common addition to ones arsenal. |
Rawr Cristina
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.25 04:43:00 -
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It's a boost to ships like the Deimos and Astarte which at current have far too limited range to be viable in nano-warfare and aren't particually fast either (Who's idea was it to make ships with point-blank-range weaponry that were really slow anyway? )
Megathron will be taking a massive hit however, in that it can no longer solo-kill any ship under 10km of it thanks to the ever-overpowered 90% Web.
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Zo5o
Gallente Longcat is Long
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Posted - 2008.08.25 05:43:00 -
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Quote: So are Minmatar screwed now too
Yes, and FTFY.
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Corelous Alterrian
Amarr Beyond Evil and Good
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Posted - 2008.08.25 06:57:00 -
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STOP WHINING ABOUT NANO NERF!!
GOD! You people are driving me NUTZ!!
I can see both sides of this. The Nanoers say that you can counter it, And you can. Use tactics you morons! If your in a group and are attacked by Nano ships SPACE OUT and predict there orbit be where they are going to be and stop trying to chase something you know you can't get! A nano Vaga attacked my group the other day he started his orbit on one ship I looked at the screen predicted his orbit and moved to be where he would be at about 300 degrees from where he was. BOOM! WEBBIED slowed down and now a setting fracken duck!
I hate Nano's myself. You can cry all you want that "You spent time and Isk on figuring it out" You didn't someone gave you your set up and you only spent ISK on your equipment. CCP's arguement is a valid one. You shouldn't be able to use a battleship as a inty. Whats the point of a iny than. Ships should be able to do there role and not what ever role you can make them do. The inys sole job is to lockdown the target so that the fleet can warp in and blast the target. Don't fret tho you cheaters will figure out another way to screw over the younger players soon enuff. Yea Cry me a river saying "O I've been in this game 4 years" WHO CARES its a game. In the end its CCP's game and if they want to change it it's there's to change. Go play WOW if you don't like it. Go Nano your 40th level fighter. You can still PVP with out the NANO nerf.
Sidenote> CCP could make NANO ships only work in 0.0 like bomb launchers.
Frankly I don't care I play the game to have fun and if someone counters my tatic than I am the first one to say "Good fight"
Grow up and stop being a bunch of Cry babys
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.25 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Corelous Alterrian Grow up and stop being a bunch of Cry babys
Very constructive post, except that we're not whining about the nano nerf. We're whining about the blaster boat nerf that comes rolled up with it.
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: Boz Well on 25/08/2008 07:03:01
Originally by: "Corelous aka some noob" I hate nanos you're all cheaters waaaaaaaaah
Funny how your post seems to be the whiniest one in the thread. If you're going to cry the loudest, you might not want to tell other people to stop crying at the same time. The hypocrisy sort of detracts from your argument, eh? And the tried and true "go play wow" line? Can't cry babies get some new material? That's so overused.
Come up with something original, then cry.. er, I mean try again.
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:14:00 -
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Quote: "yeah but AB seems to get the job done anyway just a bit worse"
You've convinced me. Roll out the AB blasterboats and vagabonds, it's time to adapt!
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