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RayBanJockey
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Boz Well
Quote: "yeah but AB seems to get the job done anyway just a bit worse"
Roll out the AB blasterboats and vagabonds
I will!
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: RayBanJockey You people can discuss the changes and all the doom they bring, predict which ships that will or won't be able to do this and that and generally cry havoc all day long - but you know very well that when the patch comes and you've had a chance a actually try it out a bit in "RL" scenarios you'll all go like "Oh, it's all ok then", or "yeah but AB seems to get the job done anyway just a bit worse" etc.
Uh, yeah. So, have you actually logged onto the test server and tested the speed changes? Blaster ships are screwed: - You can't hit at range (optimal + falloff is too low) - You can't hit up close (Ships are going 4x as fast as they used to in web range...)
It's really as though they took blaster tracking and cut it to a quarter. Yet you say it's all going to be "ok".
Quote: It'll be a change in game tactics, and we will all be in the race to adapt accordingly. Fun fun fun? Yes yes yes!
I don't have to "race". I have Caldari BS 5. :)
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:21:00 -
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Guess what? We can fitt other stuff on the ships!! OMG! Stop whining.
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Stab Wounds
Caldari State Protectorate
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:24:00 -
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try fitting an AB and tracking enhancers on your megathron and stop whining. raven doesn't even get to fit tackle if has to tank.
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Guess what? We can fitt other stuff on the ships!! OMG! Stop whining.
I'd love to see a nice comparison of the "other stuff". Railthron versus torp raven? Railthron versus pulsegeddon? I'm not talking 1v1, but effectiveness. Not all situations call for a sniper fit, and rails up close are a bit fail imo.
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RayBanJockey
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Guess what? We can fitt other stuff on the ships!! OMG! Stop whining.
Sorry no you can't. In pvp you MUST have a MWD or you can't use your ship, especially if it's not a blaster boat. If you ever have, are doing so now, or find yourself doing it after the patch you are clearly just smoking too strong stuff. Ask liang, he's tested it on the test server!
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Boz Well
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: Stab Wounds try fitting an AB and tracking enhancers on your megathron and stop whining. raven doesn't even get to fit tackle if has to tank.
Seriously, buff the Raven. These AB blasterboats need another nerf, if anything. Damn AB blasterboats are so overpowered, with their crazy tracking enhancers and 400 m/s speed.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.25 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: RayBanJockey
Sorry no you can't. In pvp you MUST have a MWD or you can't use your ship, especially if it's not a blaster boat. If you ever have, are doing so now, or find yourself doing it after the patch you are clearly just smoking too strong stuff. Ask liang, he's tested it on the test server!
AB and blasters will probably mix on an AF for comedy killmails. Battleship blasters, however, simply do not work.
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
Jim Pansen2
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.25 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jim Pansen2 on 25/08/2008 08:39:31
Originally by: Radcjk Ypu know, in late 05 / early 06, blaster boats did fine before the nano craze kicked in. The rebalance / mod change in Warp Scramblers might change how one can approach a target with MWD's if they go through with plans as suggested, but blasters worked pre nano ago just fine.
Hell, you might actually start catching some targets that have slowed down and are no longer viable as a nano boat. Any one considered that ?
Actual the same thing that i was thinking.
But a few cons apeard:
Accelation is slower, you need longer time till you get in Range(you take more Damage/burn more Cap). Also your speed is slower favoring the Target at range. The new Scrambler leaving you dead in the water at 7-8km if you overshoot the target with the MWD, biggest Problem from my point of view at medium Blasters without the Falloffbonus. Trackingissues even against Targets of the same size, leave alone smaller ones. Range issues, with the weaker Web, the Target is still able to get out of your Range that can be coutered with the MWD(if itŠs not disrupted), but leads to more Cap use. Most Blaster ships donŠt orbit because of the massive reduction of her own Damage to, so they donŠt realy improve with the lesser webs at all.
2006/2008
More HP on any Ship. Rigs that mostly work in the favour of Tank setup. Torp Boost Laser Boost(mostly because of the changed Resistance) Tier 2 BCs and Tier 3 BS that are designed for tanking/Ganking. General bigger Fleets/Gangs where more Range is often better than more DPS. MWD is now a general Module on next to any ship.
Drone Ships still work fine, Ishtar isnŠt this bad tanked, if you want to pick on Cruisers and Frigs itŠs one of the best ships. With the changes to Nanos i hoped you can pick on more targets now, but in the end, as sideeffect of most of the Changes you even have problems with Targets that favoured the Blaster ship before. ---
Alt of The Djego, currently on a long therm Skill. |
Yuri Vladomirovic
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Posted - 2008.08.25 09:38:00 -
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Ishtar wont be bad. Ok, it will loose damage immunity, cause of its uber speed, but it will be still enough to decide who to fight with, and this is how it should be.
Blaster boats will get a slap in the face, but its not the first time, we got used to it. Still, best for suicide ganking: Brutix / Thorax
My question is, Sbombers will get a huge boost, aye? Will be the Nemesis useful? Tell me its truth!!!
BTW, IMHO the rep bonus on the Brutix and the Myrmi sux, an idea for a change: tracking or falloff bonus for the Brutix, hybrid damage bonus for the Myrmi, or +10m3 bandwith / bc skill (so if bc skill is on lvl5, u can fly 5 heavies).
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.25 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Euriti on 25/08/2008 10:49:43 Blasterboats are ****ed by this change, saying otherwise is just dumb to be fairly honest. Holding down targets will be so hard especially because you have to have mwd on to keep up with your target if he has a desire to flee. Your tracking will also go to shit, also stab wounds is just a troll who ****es on peoples cherios, ignore him, he isn't worth your time.
No, afterburners is not an option.
No, 9km scramblers are not an option.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:02:00 -
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the intent of the patch was not to nurf blaster boats, so blasters will get buffed to meet the changing enviornment. Missles however are going to get nurfed for the exact same reasons. ----
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wardeneo
Originally by: Boz Well
Originally by: Wardeneo just wanted to ask people on how they think gallente will be after nano nerf, i know ammar adn caldari will be good any ideas on gallente?
wardeneo
Blaster boats are taking a hit..
this is what i was thinking :(
i love blaster boats, diemos, brutix, mega etc but soon they might strugly to get to there targets, thats my only fear!
wardeneo
Tough luck :P Caldari need a little PvP boost I say.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:48:00 -
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The new breed of AF's will probably be quite good at fleetbattles (or bigger gangs). Those fitted with AB + blasters (gallente) and they can go with enough speed even when webbed (no more 90%). Getting into range with AB solo will be next to impossible as it is now, but you can always use others do fix that problem. It's just a matter of getting those AB ships close enough. Solo blasting might be doomed though...
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Jim Pansen2
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.08.25 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky the intent of the patch was not to nurf blaster boats, so blasters will get buffed to meet the changing enviornment. Missles however are going to get nurfed for the exact same reasons.
I agree, I personaly like many of the changes, even the Web and Scrambler change. Im only disapointed how heavy her affect was on ships that are not a Problem atm(mostly close Range Setups with any kind of close Range Turret) in the end.
I like the new style, but it is hard to find a paticular thing where to start fixing on short Range ships without breaking the system again. In particular Blaster ships are took the hardest hit because they got the shortest Range and need to hold her Target at this ranges to win a fight, what is preaty oposite to the hole new system.
Many posts and points have been made so far at the issue and I hope for a more balanced system from CCP that donŠt make several Ships(not only Blaster Ships) very underperfoming in her dedicated use. ---
Alt of The Djego, currently on a long therm Skill. |
BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.08.25 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
Originally by: Stab Wounds 400%? talk about exaggerating. blasters have the best tracking of all guns. keep crying youre tears are sweet.
As with my "tears", I fly only caldari hulls, but I do realize that gallente ships are getting nerfed for no reason at all. Nanos are somewhat overpowered at the moment, especially when fitted with faction gear etc. but the scale of this nerf both severely hurts speed tanking AND close range turret ships.
The only race unaffected by this will be ammar, by severely f*cking over blasters ccp are going to have to dearly faunicate missiles from the rear, and now only the drake will be flyable and the nighthawk/cerb will be even worse..wow its lucky i trained for railguns.. poudly annoying fc's since 2007
Originally by: Sheriff Jones *ding ding!*
Wrangler: Hello and w
*ding ding!*
Wrangler: ...damn nanowhiners...*goes back to reading*
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Crellion
Art of War
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Posted - 2008.08.25 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky the intent of the patch was not to nurf blaster boats, so blasters will get buffed to meet the changing enviornment. Missles however are going to get nurfed for the exact same reasons.
Ok but where does it say that? Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |
Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.25 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer The new breed of AF's will probably be quite good at fleetbattles (or bigger gangs). Those fitted with AB + blasters (gallente) and they can go with enough speed even when webbed (no more 90%). Getting into range with AB solo will be next to impossible as it is now, but you can always use others do fix that problem. It's just a matter of getting those AB ships close enough. Solo blasting might be doomed though...
Why would you bring a AF to a fleetbattle? Vote against the nano nerf! |
Krystal Demishy
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Posted - 2008.08.25 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Valtis Thermalion
I fly only caldari hulls, but I do realize that gallente ships are getting nerfed for no reason at all. Nanos are somewhat overpowered at the moment, especially when fitted with faction gear etc. but the scale of this nerf both severely hurts speed tanking AND close range turret ships.
I just wanted to say that i would love if everybody got the same fairplay you got :) Thank you sir ;) Note: i'm serious.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.08.25 13:15:00 -
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Well no point in bringing a cruiser you can't fly effectively, if you can bring a high skilled AF. The best ship is the ship you can fly the best...what you do with it is another matter. It's not like fleetbattles just have one types of ship (also, cruisers and frigs melt with doomdays in equal manner :))
In the upcoming nerf a AF in close range will be a real *****.
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Ruciza
Minmatar The Feminists
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Posted - 2008.08.25 14:47:00 -
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Gallente will be buffed because drone speeds remain unnerfed. I think.
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Euriti
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.08.25 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ruciza Gallente will be buffed because drone speeds remain unnerfed. I think.
That's such a small buff it doesn't even matter.
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Celes Lockheart
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Celes Lockheart on 27/08/2008 20:48:59 The new value of the stasis webifier is -60% ? I think it's ok, 2 stasis webifier (one from you and one from a friend for exemple) = -84%
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Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.27 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Celes Lockheart Edited by: Celes Lockheart on 27/08/2008 20:48:59 The new value of the stasis webifier is -60% ? I think it's ok, 2 stasis webifier (one from you and one from a friend for exemple) = -84%
No, because webs stack...
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
Mr Ignitious
Gallente Noir. Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Ignitious on 27/08/2008 21:19:23
Originally by: Stab Wounds blaster ship will be fine after patch, they will still be the highest dps ships in the game. with everything slowing down it will be easier to catch people with a blaster ship and slower drones will work better.
umm but so will the ship your in so you wont catch anything cuz you're too damn slow in your blaster boat. They will never dish out their dps cuz they will never reach their target. Webs effectiveness is going to be useless. Anything with a scram will ensure that all blaster boats are way out in super deep fall off... at best, thus shit dps (like minmitar)
so unless you're fighting afker's, youre not catching anything
Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer Guess what? We can fitt other stuff on the ships!! OMG! Stop whining.
like what? rails? lol.
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london
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:29:00 -
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It sounds like blasters need a boost in tracking and range. Or would that make them overpowered?
I'm sure there is a sweet spot they can reach.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Celes Lockheart Edited by: Celes Lockheart on 27/08/2008 20:48:59 The new value of the stasis webifier is -60% ? I think it's ok, 2 stasis webifier (one from you and one from a friend for exemple) = -84%
No, because webs stack...
-Liang
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Celes Lockheart Edited by: Celes Lockheart on 27/08/2008 20:48:59 The new value of the stasis webifier is -60% ? I think it's ok, 2 stasis webifier (one from you and one from a friend for exemple) = -84%
No, because webs stack...
-Liang
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I think he means webs are stack-nerfed.
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Strill
Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Celes Lockheart Edited by: Celes Lockheart on 27/08/2008 20:48:59 The new value of the stasis webifier is -60% ? I think it's ok, 2 stasis webifier (one from you and one from a friend for exemple) = -84%
No, because webs stack...
-Liang
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I think he means webs are stack-nerfed.
They are? _________________________________________________ |
Liang Nuren
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap They are?
They were last I looked (at least web drones...) and even if they weren't, 84% still means it takes two of you to get less effect than one person now, and 5 to get the effect of two.
-Liang -- I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. -- Mahatma Gandhi |
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