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Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:00:00 - [31] Originally by: CCP Atropos the physics engine has balls was all we needed to know. ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Xavier Zedicus Priory of Zorrabed	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:12:00 - [32] Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 29/08/2008 22:13:46 Ships dont have decks, your in a pod. thelights are light not windows, get over it people. Also: Linkage a punisher is about 65 m long... looks about right in your pic. Edit: the real problem are those pesky minmitar ships that actually have ****pit looking segments that are WAY out of proportion not the scale of ships to distance ( other than corpses which are to big in scale).
Eomar Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Xavier Zedicus Ships dont have decks, your in a pod. thelights are light not windows, get over it people. Also: Linkage a punisher is about 65 m long... looks about right in your pic. ships do have decks, YOU are in a pod your CREW arent. argument done to death already, read whole thread plstnx. ...in accordance with the prophecy
Armoured C Gallente The Aztecs Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:18:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP Atropos i want that new retribution style hull.... i shall name it dotty and it shall be invincable
Xavier Zedicus Priory of Zorrabed	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:19:00 - [35] Edited by: Xavier Zedicus on 29/08/2008 22:20:31 read up a bit more. yes a BS may still have the odd maintenance hand but a frigate and cruiser with a pod pilot don't have crews at all. And since the captain in the pod can see whats going on and the crew just need to follow orders regarless of what they see there is no need for decks on them, which is why there isn't. plus just look for the punisher in the link i gave.. its aprox 65m if you eye ball the distancec and take perspective into account the distance is correct.. maybe the deck has VERY TALL windows ( if there is a deck)
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:20:00 - [36] Balls of DESTINY!!! How much bree was involved in the creation of that term? Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:20:00 - [37] Originally by: Xavier Zedicus read up a bit more. yes a BS may still have the odd maintenance hand but a frigate and cruiser with a pod pilot don't have crews at all. And since the captain in the pod can see whats going on and the crew just need to follow orders regarless of what they see there is no need for decks on them, which is why there isn't. Well i have tourists onboard, and exotic dancers, and a few janitors and marines, and also i fly my ship from a ***pit with a big ol' muscle car wheel and pedals and there's nothing you can do to proove me wrong! My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.*
Xavier Zedicus Priory of Zorrabed	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:21:00 - [38] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Xavier Zedicus read up a bit more. yes a BS may still have the odd maintenance hand but a frigate and cruiser with a pod pilot don't have crews at all. And since the captain in the pod can see whats going on and the crew just need to follow orders regarless of what they see there is no need for decks on them, which is why there isn't. Well i have tourists onboard, and exotic dancers, and a few janitors and marines, and also i fly my ship from a ****pit with a big ol' muscle car wheel and pedals and there's nothing you can do to proove me wrong! they are in your cargo hold, not around the ship though.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:22:00 - [39] Originally by: Xavier Zedicus Originally by: Sheriff Jones Originally by: Xavier Zedicus read up a bit more. yes a BS may still have the odd maintenance hand but a frigate and cruiser with a pod pilot don't have crews at all. And since the captain in the pod can see whats going on and the crew just need to follow orders regarless of what they see there is no need for decks on them, which is why there isn't. Well i have tourists onboard, and exotic dancers, and a few janitors and marines, and also i fly my ship from a ***pit with a big ol' muscle car wheel and pedals and there's nothing you can do to proove me wrong! they are in your cargo hold, not around the ship though. They GO into the cargohold, but being free people they are, they venture out when-ever they want. My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.*
Eomar Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:23:00 - [40] Originally by: Xavier Zedicus read up a bit more. yes a BS may still have the odd maintenance hand but a frigate and cruiser with a pod pilot don't have crews at all. And since the captain in the pod can see whats going on and the crew just need to follow orders regarless of what they see there is no need for decks on them, which is why there isn't. BS have more than just a few maintenance crew, the smaller ships are often retrofitted from designs not orginally incorporating pods, hence theyll still have windows, bridges and so on and indeed still have decks, cargo holds, and all the other associated bits and pieces. /pedant mode off alright its just fluff, but its backstory and depth ...in accordance with the prophecy

Xavier Zedicus Priory of Zorrabed	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:25:00 - [41] please look at this Linkage post i made as it is more relative and may provide more constructive responses :P th as far as extra crew i have been defeated
Eomar Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Sheriff Jones They GO into the cargohold, but being free people they are, they venture out when-ever they want. not on my bloody ship they dont, theyll go where theyre damn well put, and if they dont theyll get iced. same goes for crew. and by god keelhauling takes on a whole new meaning when in cold hard vacuum with no suit thats for sure. ...in accordance with the prophecy

CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:28:00 - [43] Capsuleer ships larger than frigates definitely have crews. Let's go back to talking about maths, that was much more fun and I got to use calculator.

Falkrich Swifthand Caldari eNinjas Incorporated	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:33:00 - [44] Originally by: Xavier Zedicus Also: Linkage Why is the Itty 4 the smallest? That makes no sense! nullnull My sig is not my sig.
Xavier Zedicus Priory of Zorrabed	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:39:00 - [45] Back to the poiont. Originally by: nutbar I don't know how big the ship SHOULD be, but I estimated that the window I circled was 2m in height and measures about 1/32". The distance measured from ship to wreck was 4.5". Now, putting that through some simple math indicates that 1" should be 64m, thus making the distance from my ship to the wreck 288m, not the 85m as shown. If this is close to correct, it's showing that the distance reported in EVE is off by 340%. you fail to calculate for the perspective. the ship is lower and closer to the camera while the wreck relative to the ship and camera-drone is at a further distance.
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:24:00 - [46] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why does a combat space ship have windows at all ? There are no windows in my pod, so i don't have direct view anyways. A tank for example doesn't have them for a good reason, and combat spaceships shouldn't have them aswell for the same reason, especially if it's a armor-tanker. If the shields are down and i shoot a projectile from my rifter on a battelship window, there's no armor or hull to protect the crew, the shot would directly hit the pod. Not very clever to have windows imho. You do have crews on your ship you know.
Synapse Archae Amarr Demonic Retribution Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:27:00 - [47] Can this thread be about how stations are too small and orbit too far from planets? Stations should be HUGE and the arc of a planet's surface should take up 1/4 of your screen when in orbit. Docking should be EPIC. I should want to have the 2001 space odessey theme on hotkey just in case I decide to undock. Originally by: CCP Garthagk While these forums may not give you everything that you want, they will usually let you post.
Thorradin State Protectorate	Posted - 2008.08.29 23:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Originally by: Xavier Zedicus Also: Linkage Why is the Itty 4 the smallest? That makes no sense! Because those pictures are wrong. The Avatar is larger than 13km, it's closer to 16/17km.
Jack Airron Gallente Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion	Posted - 2008.08.30 00:39:00 - [49] Originally by: Quincunx Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why does a combat space ship have windows at all ? There are no windows in my pod, so i don't have direct view anyways. A tank for example doesn't have them for a good reason, and combat spaceships shouldn't have them aswell for the same reason, especially if it's a armor-tanker. If the shields are down and i shoot a projectile from my rifter on a battelship window, there's no armor or hull to protect the crew, the shot would directly hit the pod. Not very clever to have windows imho. Because the ships in EVE are designs from the pre-pod era. They were flown by crews before, and they have been retrofitted for a pod-pilot. Or something like that anyway. :) wrong even with pod pilots there are still crews of about 9500 on a megathron and about 7k on a raven. on frigs there is only 1 cruisers there are about 300ish bc's are a bit over 1k blarg
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:31:00 - [50] Originally by: Synapse Archae Can this thread be about how stations are too small and orbit too far from planets? Stations should be HUGE and the arc of a planet's surface should take up 1/4 of your screen when in orbit. Docking should be EPIC. I should want to have the 2001 space odessey theme on hotkey just in case I decide to undock. Future stations. Corrective thrusters, self reliant, non-reliant on a planets gravity. Can contain orbit at a longer distance, safer when the traffic is so high. "We do not want another battleships ramming down our throats because someone forgot to adjust the docking beams." My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.

Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:22:00 - [51] Just out of curiosity are you guys going to fix the overview so Battleship sizes are correctly displayed? They all show as '500m' apart from the Apoc, which is clearly a mistake if you look at the comparison chart... -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Eran Laude Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:39:00 - [52] Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Originally by: Xavier Zedicus Also: Linkage Why is the Itty 4 the smallest? That makes no sense! The Itty IV, if all it's modules were stretched out, would be as long as an Iteron III. However it has two rows of cargo modules rather than just one, and a central cargo hold as evidenced by the raised bit between the four foreward modules. If we take that central cargo hold as a separate module, it would be at least 10 standard cargo modules long, the Iteron III is 9 long. So it's all about the girth, not the length
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:42:00 - [53] Try this on for size: Bestower Pod Notice the building? You can estimate sizes from there. According to Jovian Wetgrave, a pod is some 4 meters tall. Only thing that isn't realistic is the cargo space of ships. I mean 11k m3 cargo in a Bestower is a bit pitiful, compared to its size.... -------- Ideas for: Mining
MuffinsRevenger EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:54:00 - [54] Edited by: MuffinsRevenger on 30/08/2008 11:54:07 Originally by: Roy Batty68 Balls of DESTINY!!! How much bree was involved in the creation of that term? I was gona say :D Also, wellcome back devs!
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2008.08.30 12:20:00 - [55] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why does a combat space ship have windows at all ? There are no windows in my pod, so i don't have direct view anyways. A tank for example doesn't have them for a good reason, and combat spaceships shouldn't have them aswell for the same reason, especially if it's a armor-tanker. Plus they'd be useless 99% of the time. In combat ships are typically in excess of 20km away so wouldn't see much of them. And what are you going to do if you do look out? Wave? Moon the enemy? -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran, 4+ years) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.08.30 12:29:00 - [56] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why does a combat space ship have windows at all ? There are no windows in my pod, so i don't have direct view anyways. A tank for example doesn't have them for a good reason, and combat spaceships shouldn't have them aswell for the same reason, especially if it's a armor-tanker. Plus they'd be useless 99% of the time. In combat ships are typically in excess of 20km away so wouldn't see much of them. And what are you going to do if you do look out? Wave? Moon the enemy? Windows are good for crew moral, because space is nice to look at. And what do you expect your crew to do all day when you sit on a gate or in a belt doing nothing much, heh. -------- Ideas for: Mining
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Elitist Cowards	Posted - 2008.08.30 13:59:00 - [57] Originally by: Abrazzar Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why does a combat space ship have windows at all ? There are no windows in my pod, so i don't have direct view anyways. A tank for example doesn't have them for a good reason, and combat spaceships shouldn't have them aswell for the same reason, especially if it's a armor-tanker. Plus they'd be useless 99% of the time. In combat ships are typically in excess of 20km away so wouldn't see much of them. And what are you going to do if you do look out? Wave? Moon the enemy? Windows are good for crew moral, because space is nice to look at. And what do you expect your crew to do all day when you sit on a gate or in a belt doing nothing much, heh. If you have a balanced unisex crew you can figure out what they do, can't you? Originally by: CCP Atropos the physics engine has balls I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
Ami Hantaka	Posted - 2008.08.30 14:05:00 - [58] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Why does a combat space ship have windows at all ? There are no windows in my pod, so i don't have direct view anyways. <snip> Government regulation. They have been trying to change it, but various lobbyists oppose it. I'd expect someone from your corp to know how government works.
Sarin Adler Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.30 14:12:00 - [59] Originally by: Abrazzar Only thing that isn't realistic is the cargo space of ships. I mean 11k m3 cargo in a Bestower is a bit pitiful, compared to its size.... Yeah, have you seen the giant container? LOL, who believes that that has 1 mill m3.

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.08.30 14:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Roy Batty68 Balls of DESTINY!!! How much bree was involved in the creation of that term? Theres a lot of awesome names used around EVE: Nasty, Bastard, Destiny, Jessica (who's predecesor was Jennifer), Macho, and so forth.


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