Originally by: SencneS

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Originally by: SencneS

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I post the following as an Individual and not a representative of EBANK, BSA, either of the organization's members or their affiliates.

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For a start generic T1 loot drops don't effect the generic T1 market, they effect the mineral market. Running a level 4 mission, and collecting the loot with an alt at the same time can get you as much minerals as if that alt sat at belt for the same amount of time.

The Mission runners don't care about generic T1, they reprocess them and sell the minerals, or make their own ammo or whatever. I collected all loot for about 6 weeks, and never reprocessed or sold it, I used some of the good loot. When I wanted some minerals I selected all and reprocessed, 100% reprocess, 0% tax. I had 1.8 billion ISK worth of minerals at Jita BUY prices. (Yeah I was farming missions)

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Someone said "Positive/Negative price changes would be bad, because if they see something for x that is exactly what they want to pay, not all of a sudden pay more." That would not happen if they implemented the change correctly.

If I set you as -10, and place something on the market for 1,000,000. And -10 means I give you a 10% penalty, you will see it on the market for 1,100,000, and not 1,000,000. This would HELP SO MUCH with alliances in 0.0 it's not funny. This is were I came up with the idea a long time ago.

The problem with 0.0 alliances that own stations is the fact that anyone with remote trade skills can use that stations market. So what happens is people fly around in 0.0, buy up popular items at stations not even owned by them. And re-sell them at a higher price.

To combat this alliances start pricing items extremely high. Well think of it this way.

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In empire it plays a much more devious role. If I'm selling something and someone under cuts me by 0.01 isk. I'll buy one of their items and set my standing to -10. So when they look at the market I will be WAY down on their list as the lowest price. Can you say eliminating 0.01 bid wars overnight therefor reducing market lag everywhere it exists. Because that is exactly how people would use it.

Imagine not having to create contracts to sell minerals to manufactures as a miner. Instead you could just put your minerals on the market and set up your deal with the manufacture to give a 20% discount. The market sees Trit for 2.6, but you see it for 2.2. Then you set your manufactured items on the market for whatever and give THEM 20% discount.

The single greatest market PVP expansions is only a standings option away from being added to the game... Too bad CCP will not put the time and effort into adding REAL market PVP like this to the game.

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Originally by: Clair Bear

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Edited by: Clair Bear on 27/08/2008 04:51:21
What I'd like to see:

0. Ability to use substitute materials when building.
1. Being able to tweak attributes on manufactured goods, even a little.
2. A signature or watermark on a good indicating the origin when examined(optional)
3. The ability to set pricing penalties for negative standings and discounts for positive standings. Not an issue in 0.0 and easily circumvented with alts at trade hubs, but still -- every little bit of inconvenience helps.
4. Way more than 80 slots to ignore contracts from scammer wannabe copycat alts. Ignore contracts by character age.
5. Ability to filter by blueprint original or copy, number of runs, ME, PE. Filter by attribute, actually.
6. Filter chat channels by character age and standings.
7. Removal of base loot drops from empire rats. Tweak of drone rats to drop t2 components.

As far as what will be implemented -- duno, probably some fluff to see orders on in-game monitors while ambulating.

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CrazyKinux's Musing

Originally by: LaVista Vista

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Originally by: Kwint Sommer

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You'd be better off by simply eliminating it from drops.

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This ^

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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But I would still be happy to raise more issues from you guys, if something pops up or if you have some awesome idea for a feature which should come true.

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Originally by: Macon Squaredealer

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Okay, I don't post a lot, but over the years one thing really stands out for me - NPC provided items - I've always hated them. Anything magically being offered for sale by NPC's both takes away from my game immersion, and could potentially be used for infinate mineral creation, as shuttles used to be. I want to see Eve be as much of a player created universe as possible. If it's at all possible, let us build it - not CCP, and let the laws of supply and demand set the price.

For those items that don't currently have BPO's available, create them and allow the industrialists to build the items for the community instead of having them provided by NPC's. Secure containers for example, POS's, lab's, POS weapon systems, many things are currently magically available for us to buy that we can be building if the BPO's were available.

Long term, I dream of an Eve with player owned facilities (mines, factories, farms) that produces everything else we use (for example, the currently NPC provided trade goods) but that's so far away I don't want to even go there yet

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Originally by: Macon Squaredealer

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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But I would still be happy to raise more issues from you guys, if something pops up or if you have some awesome idea for a feature which should come true.

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Okay, I don't post a lot, but over the years one thing really stands out for me - NPC provided items - I've always hated them. Anything magically being offered for sale by NPC's both takes away from my game immersion, and could potentially be used for infinate mineral creation, as shuttles used to be. I want to see Eve be as much of a player created universe as possible. If it's at all possible, let us build it - not CCP, and let the laws of supply and demand set the price.

For those items that don't currently have BPO's available, create them and allow the industrialists to build the items for the community instead of having them provided by NPC's. Secure containers for example, POS's, lab's, POS weapon systems, many things are currently magically available for us to buy that we can be building if the BPO's were available.

Long term, I dream of an Eve with player owned facilities (mines, factories, farms) that produces everything else we use (for example, the currently NPC provided trade goods) but that's so far away I don't want to even go there yet

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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There was really a few things which we missed(Like removing T1 loot), But I'm PRETTY sure, based on Chronotis' posts, that they will be removing that anyways.

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Originally by: SencneS

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Originally by: SencneS

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I post the following as an Individual and not a representative of EBANK, BSA, either of the organization's members or their affiliates.

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For a start generic T1 loot drops don't effect the generic T1 market, they effect the mineral market. Running a level 4 mission, and collecting the loot with an alt at the same time can get you as much minerals as if that alt sat at belt for the same amount of time.

The Mission runners don't care about generic T1, they reprocess them and sell the minerals, or make their own ammo or whatever. I collected all loot for about 6 weeks, and never reprocessed or sold it, I used some of the good loot. When I wanted some minerals I selected all and reprocessed, 100% reprocess, 0% tax. I had 1.8 billion ISK worth of minerals at Jita BUY prices. (Yeah I was farming missions)

So don't tell me Collect T1 loot is not enough of an impact to be noticeable. It's there, just it's one of those things that flys WAY under the radar because it's the accepted Norm.

Someone said "Positive/Negative price changes would be bad, because if they see something for x that is exactly what they want to pay, not all of a sudden pay more." That would not happen if they implemented the change correctly.

If I set you as -10, and place something on the market for 1,000,000. And -10 means I give you a 10% penalty, you will see it on the market for 1,100,000, and not 1,000,000. This would HELP SO MUCH with alliances in 0.0 it's not funny. This is were I came up with the idea a long time ago.

The problem with 0.0 alliances that own stations is the fact that anyone with remote trade skills can use that stations market. So what happens is people fly around in 0.0, buy up popular items at stations not even owned by them. And re-sell them at a higher price.

To combat this alliances start pricing items extremely high. Well think of it this way.

As a seller, I don't have to worry about selling to the enemy. I Could set my alliance as +10 and that +10 means I give a 50% discount. Now I place Ravens on the market for 180mil, meaning to everyone in the region that is not in my alliance see it on the market for 180mil. But my alliance is 90mil.

I don't care if the enemy pay 180mil for my Raven, let em! but I care about my alliance buying my stuff at reasonable prices without some a-hole npc corp hugging alt coming and gobbling up the entire stations supply.

In empire it plays a much more devious role. If I'm selling something and someone under cuts me by 0.01 isk. I'll buy one of their items and set my standing to -10. So when they look at the market I will be WAY down on their list as the lowest price. Can you say eliminating 0.01 bid wars overnight therefor reducing market lag everywhere it exists. Because that is exactly how people would use it.

Imagine not having to create contracts to sell minerals to manufactures as a miner. Instead you could just put your minerals on the market and set up your deal with the manufacture to give a 20% discount. The market sees Trit for 2.6, but you see it for 2.2. Then you set your manufactured items on the market for whatever and give THEM 20% discount.

The single greatest market PVP expansions is only a standings option away from being added to the game... Too bad CCP will not put the time and effort into adding REAL market PVP like this to the game.

Consider this - Most every retailer in the world has an the RIGHT to refuse service to a customer. Unfortunately in EVE that's just not an option.

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Originally by: Raaz Satik

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The market window in Jita is already almost un-usable it's so slow at times. Imagine how slow it would get if you had to recalculate everyprice in the database for every market price request.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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You may also want to look at market refresh options for another minor improvement and easing some pain there currently on sisi.

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If discussion is still ongoing about this wonderful idea (lord knows where it came from ) but may I suggest that each window pane be refreshed separately? A refresh button for Sellers and a separate one for Buyers. This would help speed people along their way and I think help on database load.

Hmmmm, maybe not actually with the filtered dataset. Not a database expert anymore.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Hopefully soon enough, we can talk about some of the features of Midas with you and indeed we hope to run some of the ideas past you

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Originally by: Ricdics

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I want my corp to be able to trade together (rather than having 1 character only). It's incredibly annoying not being able to update a fellow director's corporate sell or buy order or even cancel it.

I would hope something trivial like this makes it into release.

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Originally by: CCP Chronotis

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Chiming in here with a reminder of my usual disclaimer when I talk about ideas on the forums. Nothing is set in stone with regards to what makes it into the production pipeline and the final cut for a future patch. I love discussing features and ideas suggestions like this one with you but do not take that discussion as gospel that something will happen in a future release.

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Ricdics

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I want my corp to be able to trade together (rather than having 1 character only). It's incredibly annoying not being able to update a fellow director's corporate sell or buy order or even cancel it.

I would hope something trivial like this makes it into release.

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I am all for modifing orders, of other corp m8s sell/buy orders. Not so sure about canceling though, I would think for OPSEC that should be something only a director or CEO should be able to do, or make them individual roles.

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Originally by: LaVista Vista

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I still think, at least from my point of view(Which is obviously obscured) that removing T1 loot is an obvious thing to do for a major expansion like MIDAS. And based on all I have heard, while there's a few down-sides to removing T1 loot, it seems like there could easily be an agreeable compromise. Just think about all the competition all the rogue drones get for their alloys. They should have absolute monopoly

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Originally by: Karanth

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Originally by: Treelox

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Originally by: Ricdics

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I want my corp to be able to trade together (rather than having 1 character only). It's incredibly annoying not being able to update a fellow director's corporate sell or buy order or even cancel it.

I would hope something trivial like this makes it into release.

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I am all for modifing orders, of other corp m8s sell/buy orders. Not so sure about canceling though, I would think for OPSEC that should be something only a director or CEO should be able to do, or make them individual roles.

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What about cutting out the middleman, and making the trade slots owned by the corp, sort of like contracts? Apply trade skills aside from the ones that give slots to any trade made on behalf of your corp.

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To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

To Shar -verb:
 1 - To say what you mean.
 2 - To say what it means.
 3 - To say something mean.

Originally by: Midas Man

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...If it was set up a bit like Hardwar ie for a NPC corp to supply an item it first must have been supplied other items.

For exapmple Joint Harvest Corp supply "Heavey Water" but to make heavey water to sell they would need to be supplied with Hydrogen and Oxygen Isotopes.

This hopefully would mean NPC goods could be and item and isk sink.

Now if tech 1 loot was removed and replaced with the building blocks of NPC items, mission runners could still make money from selling to NPC corps or other haulage type players.

I think this would open up many opertunities for new trade/industrials by making the NPC trade goods much more dynamic and profitable. And would offset the loss of income for mission runners due to tech 1 loot removal and would also improve the manufacturing side of the game.

The money for buying good could come from the sales of NPC goods so no new isk is entering the system and the values can be modified at downtime like the current system.

ie NPC corp sells manufactured item C at 1000isk but buys 1 Item A at 250isk and 1 Item B at 250isk. So there would be an overall sink that can easily be modified to combat inflation/deflation.

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CrazyKinux's Musing

Originally by: Treenara Mazouk

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That's sounds very interesting. Brings the level of realism one notch higher. I'm wandering though what would happen to those remote agents in lowsec which do not see a high enough traffic to partake in such an exchange. Though you could set it up so that depending on his available loot, the agent could give out specific missions that would either see loot being given to him or loot being given by him. If he starts to run low on loot himself, he dispatches the next few missions as "get me some loot".

Interesting indeed.

LaVista Vista and others, what do you think?

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Originally by: Shar Tegral

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Originally by: Amrumm

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For the ingame browser, add a setting which only reveals pilot/corp/alliance name. This would make it easier to replace our cumbersome wtb/wts alliance mailing lists with a website.

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This has long been possible. In fact I'm running a small website (built by Murton) that pulls alliance/corp/personal information from each in game visitor. If that person, or his corp, or his alliance, is on the permitted list, he gets access. To autoprune people out, if they leave corp/alliance, the website requires an in game visit every 2 weeks, period.

And this kind of thing has been possible for many years now.

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