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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
11
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Posted - 2012.03.24 16:51:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:As a casual solo player my only concern about this whole idea is that the corp infrastructure (roles) and permissions with POS operations is so screwy that it would be nice to have something better before this potential 'end of small corps' solution was implemented.
"Forced grouping" is what this appears to be geared towards, which is fine, but seems counter to sandbox ideology. Eh, bring it. We will all adapt, die, or unsub I guess. I think you'll find that most small corps (1~10) that pretty much mind their own business aren't going to be threatened much by this, especially if you actually play the game. If someone wardecced me, for instance, I'd just move out to Syndicate/Outer Ring for a week and derp around. Tiny corps actually have a lot more options for mobility and denying the "deccer" their fun, and they're not going to be seen as juicy targets. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
87
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:05:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:People should defend themselves by defending themselves. Would you spent millions of SP into indu-skill just becouse some random nobody tells you to do ?
No you wouldn't as you would consider the time you invest into something you don't like to do as WASTED! Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Vince Snetterton
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:08:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:MadMuppet wrote:As a casual solo player my only concern about this whole idea is that the corp infrastructure (roles) and permissions with POS operations is so screwy that it would be nice to have something better before this potential 'end of small corps' solution was implemented.
"Forced grouping" is what this appears to be geared towards, which is fine, but seems counter to sandbox ideology. Eh, bring it. We will all adapt, die, or unsub I guess. I think you'll find that most small corps (1~10) that pretty much mind their own business aren't going to be threatened much by this, especially if you actually play the game. If someone wardecced me, for instance, I'd just move out to Syndicate/Outer Ring for a week and derp around. Tiny corps actually have a lot more options for mobility and denying the "deccer" their fun, and they're not going to be seen as juicy targets.
Sure, and all the small indy corps that have a POS or 2 up, they will have no problem shutting down operations for a week or 2? |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
270
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:15:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:You do realize that cost is the only effective defense a target corp industry corp has?
I know many of you can't belive it, but there are actual many EvE players who enjoy mining+trading+manufacturing. And these guys don't just want to be target-dummys for you pewpew guys!
What about the times a rival industrial corporation wants to eliminate its competition by hiring muscle to put the squeeze on their operations?
What about the times an aggrieved player wants to hire some mercenaries to shut down a griefer's activity?
What about the times when some corporation undergoes an internal theft, and wants to exact revenge on the thief?
See, the assumption you're working on is that every single war that happens is purely a grief war. Well, you know what they say about assumptions... |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
11
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:18:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Sure, and all the small indy corps that have a POS or 2 up, they will have no problem shutting down operations for a week or 2? Well, that's your own problem to figure out, now isn't it? I have an indy alt in a friend's corp and I imagine we'd be all for getting a bit of action defending our small research tower, even if it got destroyed. Besides, most pr0 deccers would probably rather kill a faction tower, so I'm not really worried about our space assets.
Don't make yourself a target unless you're able to defend yourself. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
421
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:54:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Tetragammatron Prime wrote:wardec fee should be capped at 1bil or so Agreed. Otherwise some corps will balloon numbers with alts they don't really play. 1 bil is far to low as top-cap. 1 bil as minimum might be ok caped at 100 bil. PS: and no I'm not trolling. Even I can make 1 bil within 1 week SOLO with just one acc and nearly no playtime. So any dedicated wardec corp should be able to earn that much. You realize how badly this would destroy the mercenary industry, right? Just because you can make money quickly doesn't mean you represent the majority of the player base. There's a whole lot of corporations out there who balk at paying on the lower end of a few hundred million for mercenary services, and that's before even taking the war fee into account.
Flipping your sentences:
You do realize how badly this will destroy the industrial industry right?
Industry's ammo is money, you are better to be prepared to fight against their defense.
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Valkyria Caeli
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.24 17:57:00 -
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These sound like great changes for corps that can and are willing to fight back. Much better system in principle but doesn't do much for small corps wanting to just stay out of the gunfire.
I always though that wars should be about territory. In the case of Hisec it seems like that should be PI, Moon bases, POSs and perhaps anything that is anchored. Basically, if you don't want to be dec'd don't put down roots anywhere. The baby corps would be protected but they would also be limited on what they can get into. Also, any corp that doesn't have anything to fight for wouldn't be able to declare war. You can't get into the game if you don't pay for chips. On the other hand. A corp, or even an individual that sets up PI or something else should be able to be pushed out of the system by a competitor that declares war. Destroying your opponent's facilities also give the war clear goal. This way you don't avoid wars by hiding in NPC corps, rather you could only avoid war but limiting what you build. It would make people think twice before anchoring a GSC. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
10
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:01:00 -
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It's not worth the time to try to build anything in this game, meaning corp, infrastructure, or whatever. I think NPC corp will be the solution for me if I stay in the game at all. I'm sick of taking grief from other players and dealing with war decs I don't want. I've tried to help build a newbie corp with my main for over two years and every war dec brings a fresh stupid loss from the new players who just don't get Eve, and who rightly don't just want to dock up for a week during a war dec when they're paying to play a game. We've had 40-50 wars while I've been playing and we've done badly at nearly all of them because we have tried to take in new players to make corp chat fun and to help them learn the game that we were (once) passionate about. Our war record will always identify us as a target.
There's obviously no room for people like me in this game and maybe it's time I faced it. I get enough consequences from my life, I don't need them from a game that's supposed to be fun.
These new war dec rules just substitute one bad set of war dec rules for another. The system will just grief our corp in a different way.
The ally system is about the only bright spot. But it will be used to scam members, I expect, and will hurt as much as it helps.
A week for a war is far too long. The cost is not nearly high enough to be a deterrent. The
Oh, why bother. I don't even think I care any more.
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Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks
184
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:20:00 -
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I just woke up to find both that Darius is our CSM representative again and that this news has dropped.
I have not pawed through the guts of this very seriously yet, but at first look it appears to be solid. I mean, obviously that assumes that dec scraping and corp-hopping goes away along with it. Unless I missed that part. |
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
11
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:25:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:Oh, why bother. I don't even think I care any more. Yeah, no one else does either. You're obviously too terrible at this game to be teaching newbies how to make their way, please just leave the game. I'm ******* terrible at EVE.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:26:00 -
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Velicia Tuoro wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Quote:Wars can no longer be retracted by the aggressor when their want. Therefore more committing...
Before week is up, aggressor chooses to extend. You pay the cost to extend it. Cost can change from week to week, based on size of target corp. Hmm. This seems contradictory. Each war runs in week cycles. You pay each week to extend it. But you can't drop the war during a cycle as the aggressor. I.e. small corp declares war on what looks like a juicy target. They are in it for a week. Within a day of it starting, the declaring corp is suffering a lot of losses because of the allies. They want to drop the war because it is limiting their ability to do anything else, but can't. They have to wait out the full week. Thanks. Clears things up a bit.
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
91
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:32:00 -
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Ah yeah baby. I feel for the Dec Shield corps, your ass is done. Believe it. |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
776
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:33:00 -
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Velicia Tuoro wrote:But you can't drop the war during a cycle as the aggressor. Are you sure? I read it that either side can offer a surrender, but the other side has to accept. If the aggressor surrenders, and the defender accepts, then the war is over.
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Zowie Powers
Hole in the wall
56
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:33:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
776
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:35:00 -
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Ban Bindy wrote:... every war dec brings a fresh stupid loss from the new players who just don't get Eve ... Maybe you should have done a better job educating them on what EVE is about ... so system shock didn't set in when they realized EVE wasn't Elves in Space.
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DarthNefarius
Ssssansha'S Deathhead Einsatzgruppen
92
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Posted - 2012.03.24 19:59:00 -
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No changes to closed corps & 1 man corps war decking to grief. Closed corps war decks are continueing? Corps can't drop but pilots still can without the war deck following them so expect to see alot of corps opening & closing which miners will use to escape wardecks and alot of old mining corps will be no more.
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
193
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:01:00 -
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New Wardec ideas show promise, but there's still a lot of room for improvement.
Wardec fees should be based on the size of the attacker not the defender, or flat fees that are not prohibitively expensive should be used.
NPC corps also need to be addressed, I think after a character reaches 3 months of age NPC corp tax should go up to 51%. Only exception being FW militias which should remain the same. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
417
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:15:00 -
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Attacker/defender difference in size should be more the metric than just defender size. Similar sized corps would cost less, more dissimilar would cost more, in addition to number of wars. |
MadMuppet
Kerguelen Station
187
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:18:00 -
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Xorv wrote:
NPC corps also need to be addressed, I think after a character reaches 3 months of age NPC corp tax should go up to 51%. Only exception being FW militias which should remain the same.
Until they do something to lock players in to decced corps and turn them in to prisons there is little point in raising the NPC taxes higher. There will just be a group of free to jump corps (the new dec shield) or players will just burn another 1.5 million isk to make a new one, and his pursuers need to burn 20.5 million isk to give chase. Unless there is a POS invovled it doesn't really matter. I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do |
Cailais
Rekall Incorporated Sinewave Alliance
241
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:25:00 -
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On balance I like the way theyre headed, not perfect perhaps but a damn sight better than the currently useless system.
Time to buy some ammo.
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Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
87
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:26:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Jojo Jackson wrote:You do realize that cost is the only effective defense a target corp industry corp has?
I know many of you can't belive it, but there are actual many EvE players who enjoy mining+trading+manufacturing. And these guys don't just want to be target-dummys for you pewpew guys! What about the times a rival industrial corporation wants to eliminate its competition by hiring muscle to put the squeeze on their operations? What about the times an aggrieved player wants to hire some mercenaries to shut down a griefer's activity? What about the times when some corporation undergoes an internal theft, and wants to exact revenge on the thief? See, the assumption you're working on is that every single war that happens is purely a grief war. Well, you know what they say about assumptions...
And where is the mechanic to control this stuff?
- Merc corp uses alts to wardec random indu corp. - Indu corp search for some strong arms to protect them - the Mercs who used their alts to wardec this indu corp show up and defend the indus against their own alts ...
And yes, I see every singel wardec as a grif-dec. It's up to you, to show me a singel wardec in the past 7 years which was no grif-dec. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Velicia Tuoro
Light Speed Interactive The Mockers AO
46
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Posted - 2012.03.24 20:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Velicia Tuoro wrote:But you can't drop the war during a cycle as the aggressor. Are you sure? I read it that either side can offer a surrender, but the other side has to accept. If the aggressor surrenders, and the defender accepts, then the war is over.
I'm not sure on that actually. I suspect surrenders would accept it. That would make sense, but the aggressor can't just drop the war. Senior Representative Light Speed Interactive http://www.lightspeedinteractive.net |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5762
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:25:00 -
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Caliph Muhammed wrote:Ah yeah baby. I feel for the Dec Shield corps, your ass is done. Believe it. As the owner of one such alliance, I can only say: best news ever. The business opportunitites this opens up (especially if they take some of the roundtable suggestionsto heart) are enormous.
Also, indy corps will be immensely better equipped to defend themselves after this.
There are a few obvious exploits (which may just be due to poor wording on the devs' part) that need to be ironed out, but aside from thatGǪ
Oh, and it seems fairly likely that corp-hopping will get a mighty schwack in some different ways. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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foxnod
BOAE INC GIANTSBANE.
38
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:37:00 -
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So far sounds good. The costs are on the prohibitive side and they still need to do something about corp hoppers. Nice to see CCP not pandering to the worthless carebears for a change. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
903
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:47:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Wow this war dec stuff seems like its going to kill small starting up corps completely. Now there's no way out of wars, no downside for aggressors but a massive downside for defenders. It's basically going to be, disband your corp or log off.
Strange feeling about this, NPC corps are about to see their demographics explode?
There are tons of tears incoming, nice was just about to cook some stuff.
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
776
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:50:00 -
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Jojo Jackson wrote:And yes, I see every singel wardec as a grif-dec. It's up to you, to show me a singel wardec in the past 7 years which was no grif-dec. Go back to Star Trek Online, please.
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Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
776
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:53:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Wow this war dec stuff seems like its going to kill small starting up corps completely. Small starter corps have been doing fine the past eight years. These changes actually make things a tad easier for them.
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2108
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:54:00 -
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Was there anything about being able to push a button and declare war on ALL OF EVE? This is important because of some plans we have for Jita coming soon. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Poetic Stanziel
Major Kong Freight
776
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Posted - 2012.03.24 22:55:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Strange feeling about this, NPC corps are about to see their demographics explode? Because the game didn't exist before this moment in time. The new wardec mechanics are far superior to what existed before (during which highsec continued to boom [no pun intended]). This new system gives better options and protection to everyone. If highsec was okay beforehand, it will continue to be okay after this new systems is released.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
422
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Posted - 2012.03.24 23:00:00 -
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I am lucky I never leave the station where I trade so I will be immune from all of this.
I can imagine those new low SP guys soon forced to be racketed or be melted just because they poke their head out of a station in a game they want to explore. Imagine the epicness, they see all those videos where they are oh so immortal, oh so powerful then they join a random corp and get told to stay docked for a week.
It'd be fast quit time for something less ******** and more fun, like GW2.
It's just basic 101 of market convenience: if playing = having to deal with RR 10000 docking gamers and similar then EvE is probably not the game for a bunch of current players any more.
Though internet anonymous guys will certainly disagree with these statements.
However it goes I'll be fine. I'll sell the stuff they use and make money.
If EvE will shrink back to 30k hi sec though guys subs I'll have less competition and make easier money.
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