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Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:36:00 - [1] I believe the rules state that activation of any module or change of direction after undocking from a station removes your invulnerability for the 30 second undock session change. However, activating a microwarpdrive does not seem to remove the undock timer invulnerability period. This gives small fast ships near immunity when undocking as nobody can tackle them for 30 seconds while they get some 100km+ off. We set up a Rapier about 50km away from the station earlier. When a Taranis undocked, he turned on his MWD. I ordered the Rapier to uncloak and prepare to tackle. However all the Rapier was getting was "Target is Invulnerable" for some 10 seconds before the target had time to align and warp. Is this an exploit, or working as intended? www.siigarikitawa.com
Antoine Lefevre Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:37:00 - [2] Yeah it sucks, hopefully not intended.
123GuessWho	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:39:00 - [3] now you made the world aware of this and everyone does it, use petitions for this
Ga'len Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I believe the rules state that activation of any module or change of direction after undocking from a station removes your invulnerability for the 30 second undock session change. However, activating a microwarpdrive does not seem to remove the undock timer invulnerability period. This gives small fast ships near immunity when undocking as nobody can tackle them for 30 seconds while they get some 100km+ off. We set up a Rapier about 50km away from the station earlier. When a Taranis undocked, he turned on his MWD. I ordered the Rapier to uncloak and prepare to tackle. However all the Rapier was getting was "Target is Invulnerable" for some 10 seconds before the target had time to align and warp. Is this an exploit, or working as intended? Exploit. Petition something like this next time, m'kay?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:48:00 - [5] LOL is all i can say LOL and pfft Who cares, games riddled with shitty bug and non -exploits. At least theres no mining dreadnoughts though ruining everyone else's game. SKUNK
Saint Lazarus Spiorad ag fanaiocht	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Le Skunk LOL is all i can say LOL and pfft Who cares, games riddled with shitty bug and non -exploits. At least theres no mining dreadnoughts though ruining everyone else's game. SKUNK Yeah its good to see CCP gettin rid of the things people really care about, like the iconic high sec Dreads, bravo -----------------
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.27 19:58:00 - [7] If it's an exploit, everyone will use it now until there is a statement by CCP, and even then ppl will keep using it, since most players don't care. If it's not an exploit, you just gave away your knowledge about what could have been your secret tactic to ninja any ship out of any station. Either way, posting it on the forums was the dumbest thing u could do.
Major PewPew The Dark Horses	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:05:00 - [8] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa I believe the rules state that activation of any module or change of direction after undocking from a station removes your invulnerability for the 30 second undock session change. I think in order to actually get an answer on this, you're going to need to find where it is stated in "the rules"...i know i cant find it.
Hori To Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:06:00 - [9] posting on forum is a smart thing to do, ccp didn't fix the bacon thing until it went public.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Feilamya If it's an exploit, everyone will use it now until there is a statement by CCP, and even then ppl will keep using it, since most players don't care. If it's not an exploit, you just gave away your knowledge about what could have been your secret tactic to ninja any ship out of any station. Either way, posting it on the forums was the dumbest thing u could do. Sorry that I enjoy playing a fair game. If I can't turn on all my sensor boosters after undocking without getting pounded into the ground, neither should the guy with the microwarpdrive. www.siigarikitawa.com

El Kaposo Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:24:00 - [11] hope you have taken into to account that a rapier as a delay of several seconds after uncloaking until it can lock anything?
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:25:00 - [12] Originally by: El Kaposo hope you have taken into to account that a rapier as a delay of several seconds after uncloaking until it can lock anything? Yeah. He wouldn't have gotten the "target is invulnerable" if he was getting "your sensors need time to recalibrate" message. He was ready to lock. www.siigarikitawa.com
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:29:00 - [13] I can't wait to have to deal with a fleet of vagabonds undocking. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles

CCP Mitnal C C P	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:35:00 - [14] Please bug report this, you can do so by following this link. Try and add as much detail as possible, the sooner our QA department can replicate the problem, the sooner it can be fixed and detail means replication. Not as catchy as points mean prizes but meh. Mitnal Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang

Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:37:00 - [15] What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well?
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:42:00 - [16] Originally by: CCP Mitnal Please bug report this, you can do so by following this link. Try and add as much detail as possible, the sooner our QA department can replicate the problem, the sooner it can be fixed and detail means replication. Not as catchy as points mean prizes but meh. jeez... everyone at CCP must be terribly busy so they cannot simply e-mail the QA team with an URL to this post and tell them to have a look at it (it sounds easy to reproduce, no?). No, the customers must go and fill out forms and "add as much detail as possible" so that you can fix the bugs in your game. :-/
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Schalac What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well? If MWDing is, so should this. - Infectious -
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: CCP Mitnal Please bug report this, you can do so by following this link. Try and add as much detail as possible, the sooner our QA department can replicate the problem, the sooner it can be fixed and detail means replication. Not as catchy as points mean prizes but meh. jeez... everyone at CCP must be terribly busy so they cannot simply e-mail the QA team with an URL to this post and tell them to have a look at it (it sounds easy to reproduce, no?). No, the customers must go and fill out forms and "add as much detail as possible" so that you can fix the bugs in your game. :-/ You've clearly never worked for a large organization. Following protocol is what makes sure things get done correctly and timely. Follow the protocol and you won't have anything to complain about. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Ruze Amarr No Applicable Corporation	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Schalac What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well? If MWDing is, so should this. How is 'you cannot activate a module' and being able to activate one, on the same par as using a bookmark to allow you to warp in a direct line away from the station? One might be a mistake on the parts of the devs. The other is a players preparation. They seem far and away two different beasts to me. Quote: If you like playing EvE, but don't like to PvP ... Maybe it's time you recognize that you don't really like to play EvE.
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.08.27 20:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Schalac What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well? If MWDing is, so should this. While I would love to complain about it I actually use this and as been proven already once today whining will get you what you want. So I'm not even going to joke whine about insta undocks.

Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:04:00 - [21] Originally by: Ruze Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Schalac What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well? If MWDing is, so should this. How is 'you cannot activate a module' and being able to activate one, on the same par as using a bookmark to allow you to warp in a direct line away from the station? One might be a mistake on the parts of the devs. The other is a players preparation. They seem far and away two different beasts to me. Besides the obvious difference, you can counter player undock warps easily enough. You know the exact direction they are going to warp, and you can easily set a trap for any such pilot. Been there done that. Watch as they blink in horror as they come out of warp on top of 3 intys and handful of BSs. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Rawr Cristina Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:05:00 - [22] Originally by: Schalac Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Schalac What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well? If MWDing is, so should this. While I would love to complain about it I actually use this and as been proven already once today whining will get you what you want. So I'm not even going to joke whine about insta undocks. I wasn't whining. I in fact like being able to insta-undock. I'm just saying it dosen't make sense to call MWDing an exploit and insta-undocking not... - Infectious -
Eschiava Q	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:06:00 - [23] Okay, I guess I'm dense, because I don't understand how this is a problem. If I undock, I am invul for 30 seconds. If there is a WT waiting he can't tackle or attack unless I do something first. I could even guarantee I get first shot on him, since he can't attack until I take some action. Okay, now, I MWD 50km to a WT instead. He can't attack or tackle until the tier expires, and I could even get first shot on him. I guess I don't see the big exploit just because I can be invul 50km away from station or 0km from station. Can somebody explain what I am missing? Thanks
Schalac Caldari Apocalypse Reign	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Schalac Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Schalac What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well? If MWDing is, so should this. While I would love to complain about it I actually use this and as been proven already once today whining will get you what you want. So I'm not even going to joke whine about insta undocks. I wasn't whining. I in fact like being able to insta-undock. I'm just saying it dosen't make sense to call MWDing an exploit and insta-undocking not... And I agree. Both should be left alone as is.
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Eschiava Q Okay, I guess I'm dense, because I don't understand how this is a problem. If I undock, I am invul for 30 seconds. If there is a WT waiting he can't tackle or attack unless I do something first. I could even guarantee I get first shot on him, since he can't attack until I take some action. Okay, now, I MWD 50km to a WT instead. He can't attack or tackle until the tier expires, and I could even get first shot on him. I guess I don't see the big exploit just because I can be invul 50km away from station or 0km from station. Can somebody explain what I am missing? Thanks Activating a MWD blows your sig up. So you should be easier to lock. If you use a microwarpdrive and have ZERO penalty because of it, that is unfair. Additionally, because you are activating a module that essentially lets you move around in space in a way different than how the station undocks you, you should be valid to lock. Also, I believe locking someone invalidates your invulnerability as well. www.siigarikitawa.com
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:16:00 - [26] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Schalac Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Schalac What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well? If MWDing is, so should this. While I would love to complain about it I actually use this and as been proven already once today whining will get you what you want. So I'm not even going to joke whine about insta undocks. I wasn't whining. I in fact like being able to insta-undock. I'm just saying it dosen't make sense to call MWDing an exploit and insta-undocking not... Yeah, because one is a perfectly counter-able player device and the other is a glitch in the game code. I see how they are totally the same. I personally don't care if they fix it or not. I don't participate in station camps, and no one is going to camp me into a station. So ultimately, it doesn't matter to me. However, I'd like to see GLITCHES cleaned up so that they can't be exploited. Insta undock warp has been around since day one, and it's not going to change. The main reason, it works as intended. And it can be countered with a small amount of effort. In fact, it's highly detrimental to people that use it thinking they are safe... they aren't, and if you are any good, you can trap them 100's of KM off the station right as they come out of warp. Also, station camping someone is pretty sad to start with. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:19:00 - [27] Edited by: Myra2007 on 27/08/2008 21:24:05 After decloaking your rapier pilot cannot lock anything for about 5 seconds. That alone would give any taranis the time to warp out. What did you expect? Then in case he didn't warp away yet even with 3 sensor boosters (which you did have didn't you?) your chances would be slim to catch him. Its a frikkin ceptor. Edit: Now if he turned on mwd that would ensure a fast lock but if hes already at the end of his mwd cycle he might just warp in the next second... Crying for exploit is really silly tbh and makes you a sore loser. Besides even if theres anything to it only the gms can give you a final answer. File a petition.
Feilamya Minmatar Pelennor Swarm G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:21:00 - [28] IMHO remove bookmarks from the game. They allow for way too many different tactics, giving smart players too many unfair advantages.
Deathbear Minmatar eXin Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:53:00 - [29] Docking games deserve to be nerfed anyway...
Duncan Bannatyne The Sky Is The Limit	Posted - 2008.08.27 21:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Siigari Kitawa Originally by: Eschiava Q Okay, I guess I'm dense, because I don't understand how this is a problem. If I undock, I am invul for 30 seconds. If there is a WT waiting he can't tackle or attack unless I do something first. I could even guarantee I get first shot on him, since he can't attack until I take some action. Okay, now, I MWD 50km to a WT instead. He can't attack or tackle until the tier expires, and I could even get first shot on him. I guess I don't see the big exploit just because I can be invul 50km away from station or 0km from station. Can somebody explain what I am missing? Thanks Activating a MWD blows your sig up. So you should be easier to lock. If you use a microwarpdrive and have ZERO penalty because of it, that is unfair. Additionally, because you are activating a module that essentially lets you move around in space in a way different than how the station undocks you, you should be valid to lock. Also, I believe locking someone invalidates your invulnerability as well. FAIRNESS? IN MY EVE? and let me add the much needed: WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

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