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DownTwisTeD
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:56:00 -
[31]
so just setup a mwd frig and ram him befor he lines up to worp.
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.08.27 21:58:00 -
[32]
ITT Siigari the Drama Queen finds a strange bug and declares it as haxploits to all across the world. I have tried and failed to replicate this effect.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:13:00 -
[33]
So you are saying its an exploit to go in a straight line when you undock.
{varius mocking insults go here}
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.27 22:16:00 -
[34]
 Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please bug report this, you can do so by following this link.
Try and add as much detail as possible, the sooner our QA department can replicate the problem, the sooner it can be fixed and detail means replication.
Not as catchy as points mean prizes but meh.
jeez... everyone at CCP must be terribly busy so they cannot simply e-mail the QA team with an URL to this post and tell them to have a look at it (it sounds easy to reproduce, no?). No, the customers must go and fill out forms and "add as much detail as possible" so that you can fix the bugs in your game. :-/
You've clearly never worked for a large organization. Following protocol is what makes sure things get done correctly and timely.
Follow the protocol and you won't have anything to complain about.
You are clearly using the word "clearly" because you have no other way to argue your point other than trying to make it look obvious.
I do not care what protocol they use internally. He might as well go to their internal bug tracker and open a ticket if he needs to "follow protocol" like a call center. What is unprofessional is to ask the customer to go fill out some forms when he has already spent some time on reporting a problem and someone at CCP has already read that report as if CCP would be doing the customer a favor when fixing bugs and thus had to be asked nicely or with a particular "protocol" ...
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Nausicaa
Minmatar
Kittenz and Chickenz
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:35:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Ghoest
So you are saying its an exploit to go in a straight line when you undock.
{varius mocking insults go here}
Undocking ships should behave like erratic sprayed bees, up-down-up-left-down-right-down-right-up-BAM.
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Commander Yassir
Therapy.
YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:52:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Feilamya
IMHO remove bookmarks from the game. They allow for way too many different tactics, giving smart players too many unfair advantages.
Are you a troll? Is this some sort of joke? or is this something else entirely. either you are just ****ing with me or you need some help. There are a lot of things that need to be looked at and adjusted, bookmarks. Am I the only one that thinks this is completely moronic and that bookmarks are fine the way they are. One more thing. If you took out everything that gave smart players the advantage in EVe you would wind up with one of two things.
1. It would be space WOW
2. Or it would be just sitting there shooting ANYTHING that moved.
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Joker47
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Posted - 2008.08.28 01:58:00 -
[37]
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.08.28 03:10:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Locke DieDrake
Originally by: Ruze
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Schalac
What about all of those people the set up insta undocks that are 500-1000km off of the station grid? Is that an exploit as well?
If MWDing is, so should this.
How is 'you cannot activate a module' and being able to activate one, on the same par as using a bookmark to allow you to warp in a direct line away from the station?
One *might* be a mistake on the parts of the devs. The other is a players preparation. They seem far and away two different beasts to me.
Besides the obvious difference, you can counter player undock warps easily enough.
You know the exact direction they are going to warp, and you can easily set a trap for any such pilot. Been there done that. Watch as they blink in horror as they come out of warp on top of 3 intys and handful of BSs.
Thank god I make my insta-undocks three grids away from the station.
But too bad the stupid new undock mechanics broke all insta undocks so they are mostly unreliable anyway.
But, yeah. These forums seriously need some indicator that the post has ended and the sig has started.
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Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2008.08.28 04:46:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Besides the obvious difference, you can counter player undock warps easily enough.
You know the exact direction they are going to warp, and you can easily set a trap for any such pilot. Been there done that. Watch as they blink in horror as they come out of warp on top of 3 intys and handful of BSs.
Thank god I make my insta-undocks three grids away from the station.
But too bad the stupid new undock mechanics broke all insta undocks so they are mostly unreliable anyway.
Not really as much as you would believe. Most of the undocks I've made even since the patch have fairly reliable results. Just need to position yourself properly for the BM.
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The Tzar
Malicious Intentions
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.08.28 06:22:00 -
[40]
NERF WHINGERS!
...as they are the single greatest threat this game has ever had...
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Gossef
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Force
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:16:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Myra2007
Edited by: Myra2007 on 27/08/2008 21:24:05
After decloaking your rapier pilot cannot lock anything for about 5 seconds. That alone would give any taranis the time to warp out. What did you expect?
Then in case he didn't warp away yet even with 3 sensor boosters (which you did have didn't you?) your chances would be slim to catch him. Its a frikkin ceptor. Edit: Now if he turned on mwd that would ensure a fast lock but if hes already at the end of his mwd cycle he might just warp in the next second...
Crying for exploit is really silly tbh and makes you a sore loser.
Besides even if theres anything to it only the gms can give you a final answer. File a petition.
I am the Rapier pilot who he was talking about and I do know the difference between the cloak-delay and invulnerability. During those 5 seconds (or 6 in my case, since I only have Cloaking 4) you cannot complete a lock, but you can start locking for sure. The locktime I was getting was 7 seconds, and I tried locking him for over 9.
From my logs:
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:11 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:12 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:13 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:14 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:15 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:16 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:17 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:19 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
After that he warped away, so if everything was working as it's supposed to be, I would've gotten the lock and scrambled+webified him, since by then he was less then 20km away from me (26km scram and 44km web).
I filed a petition about it and haven't heard anything yet, but it's only been 13 hours since I filed it anyway, so no worries just yet.
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:21:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Gossef
Originally by: Myra2007
Edited by: Myra2007 on 27/08/2008 21:24:05
After decloaking your rapier pilot cannot lock anything for about 5 seconds. That alone would give any taranis the time to warp out. What did you expect?
Then in case he didn't warp away yet even with 3 sensor boosters (which you did have didn't you?) your chances would be slim to catch him. Its a frikkin ceptor. Edit: Now if he turned on mwd that would ensure a fast lock but if hes already at the end of his mwd cycle he might just warp in the next second...
Crying for exploit is really silly tbh and makes you a sore loser.
Besides even if theres anything to it only the gms can give you a final answer. File a petition.
I am the Rapier pilot who he was talking about and I do know the difference between the cloak-delay and invulnerability. During those 5 seconds (or 6 in my case, since I only have Cloaking 4) you cannot complete a lock, but you can start locking for sure. The locktime I was getting was 7 seconds, and I tried locking him for over 9.
From my logs:
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:11 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:12 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:13 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:14 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:15 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:16 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:17 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.27 19:30:19 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
After that he warped away, so if everything was working as it's supposed to be, I would've gotten the lock and scrambled+webified him, since by then he was less then 20km away from me (26km scram and 44km web).
I filed a petition about it and haven't heard anything yet, but it's only been 13 hours since I filed it anyway, so no worries just yet.
Wrong, you cannot even start locking until your decloak timer is up. It will just drop your lock.
However that says nothing about the issue at hand and if MWD is really possible without breaking invulnerability. I will have to test this tonight and write a bug report since nobody else seems to be bothered to do it. 
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.08.28 10:26:00 -
[43]
You know --- I've ALWAYS hated this. Please fix it.
Leave the can directly in front of the undock point at 200km alone tho --- I <3 insta-warping out of camped stations. 
~Solo
Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |
Miss Uylear
Caldari
Uylears Dream
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:01:00 -
[44]
Dunno about the MWD thing, dont care. As for insta-undocks and warping to safe spot...THAT was almost completely "nerfed" with the ships coming out at different angles in a 15 degree arc. So there.
mwah x
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:06:00 -
[45]
Here we'll do it this way.
Target docks, switches to Taranis. I am at 0 undock in my Sin.
[ 2008.08.28 10:51:21 ] (notify) Targeting attempt failed as the designated object is no longer present.
Target undocks
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:00 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:02 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:03 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:04 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:05 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:06 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:06 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:07 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:09 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:10 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:11 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:11 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:12 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:13 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:14 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:20 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:22 ] (notify) The warlord is too far away, you need to be within 70000 meters of it but are actually 82407 meters away.
Lame.
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Hamarkon Isloan
Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:21:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:00 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:02 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:03 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:04 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:05 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:06 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:06 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:07 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:09 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:10 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:11 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:11 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:12 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:13 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:14 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:20 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:22 ] (notify) The warlord is too far away, you need to be within 70000 meters of it but are actually 82407 meters away.
That looks to be a bug in the notification system. I get the same thing at gate camps and targeting. For some reson as I'm spamming the targeting, The system reports out of range even though the target is in warp and invulnerable. Must be some bad coding that gives the out of range message priority over other messages.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:26:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Hamarkon Isloan
That looks to be a bug in the notification system. I get the same thing at gate camps and targeting. For some reson as I'm spamming the targeting, The system reports out of range even though the target is in warp and invulnerable. Must be some bad coding that gives the out of range message priority over other messages.
No, you can add velocity to your overview and see that the guy who undocked is using the MWD to get out of range. Heck, you can even jump in a frigate and try it with a friend. I don't think it's intended to work this way, so probably an exploit.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Maglorre
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Posted - 2008.08.28 11:57:00 -
[48]
Excellent, now we have a possible work around to the CONFIRMED (but non-petitionable) bug of docking ranges at some station types being screwed up so you can't safely undock in anything less than a carrier with out a scout.
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Taikun
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:15:00 -
[49]
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Please bug report this, you can do so by following this link.
Try and add as much detail as possible, the sooner our QA department can replicate the problem, the sooner it can be fixed and detail means replication.
Not as catchy as points mean prizes but meh.
I stongly advise NOT to report anything to CCP via this method for a nunber of reasons.
First and foremost my experience with the process was the minimum wage call center tha resonded was cold, standoffish and quite frankly left me feeling "@#$% CCP if that is their attitude".
Besides we ALL KNOW they will give the standard "working as intended" answer until enough people get ****ed about it in the forums. THEN they make a weak "it is an exploit so please dont do it" announcement that most people nevr read or take notice of.
Then you can set a timer of when a patch will fix it with a calender streaching well into dozens of weeks if not years.
The second reason is what bother? YOU get nothing out of it. No reward from CCP for making their product better. No 30 days free, a "special shuttle" or a special mention in the "bug fix" announcement.
No siree... you get zero, nada, nothing. Furthermore they expect YOU to conform to their inane "processes" to report bugs that shouldn't be a the game this long into development.
I report no bugs. EVER. Ihave better things to do.
So save your self some time and effort not talking to CCP. Doing so is like having your tooth ripped out of your skull slowly. Just laugh at the fool who coded that part of the game and use these quirks to your own advantage.
Taikun
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:31:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Lazuran
jeez... everyone at CCP must be terribly busy so they cannot simply e-mail the QA team with an URL to this post and tell them to have a look at it (it sounds easy to reproduce, no?). No, the customers must go and fill out forms and "add as much detail as possible" so that you can fix the bugs in your game. :-/
You kidding me right?. Are you a developer?. Do you know what happens if you start paying attention to all the emails and calls you get from around the company you work reporting "bugs"?. After months wasting hours unsuccessfully trying to reproduce their "bug reports" you realize it is better to put a trouble tracking system and have them fill up the form before you take them seriously.
Back on topic: You tackler had a cloak fitted so it loses scan resolution (cloak fitted=slower to lock  ). The Taranis did not activate mwd, he just warped off as soon he had control of his ship outside station.
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Something Random
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:37:00 -
[51]
They're saying the invulnerability timer stays even though a module has been activated. Nothing wrong with firing off your MWD undocking but you should be lockable after doing so.
Taikun - seriously do you have to have your ego stroked before you do anything ?
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.28 12:41:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:20 ] (notify) Target is invulnerable.
[ 2008.08.28 10:52:22 ] (notify) The warlord is too far away, you need to be within 70000 meters of it but are actually 82407 meters away.
It's a taranis dammit, it can align and warp off in less than 2 seconds if properly fitted. He did not mwd, he just activated warp sometime between 52:20 and 52:22, you started lock and he was in warp before your lock was completed
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Taikun
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.08.28 13:01:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Something Random
Taikun - seriously do you have to have your ego stroked before you do anything ?
If it is from a company I pay for service from then yes. I expect employees to be polite, interested and courtious to me at all times. Dismissive cut and paste reponses to bug reports answered with a "working as intended" only to be classified as a exploit a couple of weeks later has proven to me the "bug reporting" process is a joke.
They tell everyone to "**** off" via cut and paste responses until there is enough of a backlash in the forums over the issue. Only when enough people are ****ed off will they do anything about it.
Taikun
A criminal is a person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation. |
Ethen Bejorn
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Posted - 2008.08.28 13:43:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
I believe the rules state that activation of any module or change of direction after undocking from a station removes your invulnerability for the 30 second undock session change.
However, activating a microwarpdrive does not seem to remove the undock timer invulnerability period. This gives small fast ships near immunity when undocking as nobody can tackle them for 30 seconds while they get some 100km+ off.
We set up a Rapier about 50km away from the station earlier. When a Taranis undocked, he turned on his MWD. I ordered the Rapier to uncloak and prepare to tackle. However all the Rapier was getting was "Target is Invulnerable" for some 10 seconds before the target had time to align and warp.
Is this an exploit, or working as intended?
Just one of about 10,000 bugs, but CCP doesn't care, they want AMBULATION!
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Gossef
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Force
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:32:00 -
[55]
Originally by: AleRiperKilt
Originally by: Lazuran
Back on topic: You tackler had a cloak fitted so it loses scan resolution (cloak fitted=slower to lock ). The Taranis did not activate mwd, he just warped off as soon he had control of his ship outside station.
Your wrong about the scan resolution thing. Force Recon ships (Rapier) can fit the Covert Ops Cloak, which doesn't get a scan resolution "bonus" like the normal Cloaking devices.
The taranis did activate his mwd, since his speed went up to 1200 m/s rather quickly which wouldn't be possible as his base speed is a lot lower. If he did warp, he wouldn't be flying towards me for so over 8 seconds at almost constant speed...
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Phaige
Minmatar
Reaver Construction Services
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:44:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Lazuran
I do not care what protocol they use internally. He might as well go to their internal bug tracker and open a ticket if he needs to "follow protocol" like a call center. What is unprofessional is to ask the customer to go fill out some forms when he has already spent some time on reporting a problem IN THE WORST POSSIABLE MANNER AND NOT THE OBVIOUS AND CLEAR WAY THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO DO IT and someone at CCP has already read that report as if CCP would be doing the customer a favor when fixing bugs and thus had to be asked nicely or with a particular "protocol" ...
Fixed.
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:48:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Something Random
They're saying the invulnerability timer stays even though a module has been activated. Nothing wrong with firing off your MWD undocking but you should be lockable after doing so.
Taikun - seriously do you have to have your ego stroked before you do anything ?
You never tried a bug report have you?
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ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2008.08.28 16:51:00 -
[58]
Just tested this. It is confirmed that MWD does not invalidate invuln-timer.
Also have written a bugreport.
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.08.28 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Gossef
Your wrong about the scan resolution thing. Force Recon ships (Rapier) can fit the Covert Ops Cloak, which doesn't get a scan resolution "bonus" like the normal Cloaking devices.
ok, that explains the less than 2 secs lock time
Originally by: Gossef
The taranis did activate his mwd, since his speed went up to 1200 m/s rather quickly which wouldn't be possible as his base speed is a lot lower. If he did warp, he wouldn't be flying towards me for so over 8 seconds at almost constant speed...
1200m/s is not mwd speed for a Taranis. With nanofiber and T1 MWD you get close to 3000 m/s. This guys probably had overdrive injectors and snake implants.
If he can do 1200 m/s with his fitting he likely undocked slower than that and accelerated to his ship's max speed. Anybody knows the undock speed?
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Sexiest Beast
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.08.28 17:51:00 -
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Sooo MWD asap .. .XLNT
What if you just had an undock BM. instaundock is just as bad and your offgrid and long gone even faster than a MWD trick
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