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slayr08	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:30:00 - [1] I wanna a good small roaming wolf gang setup. I don't wanna hear how gimped the ship is cause imo like al minnie ships you just have fly it right for it to be effective. my current setup is this. highs: 4x 200mm ac2's 1 small nos mids: 1 gisti b mwd 1 warp dis 2 lows: 1 gyro2 1 400mm rolled tungsten plates 2 named eanm any improvements constuctive only thanks
Calthornia Zelamar	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:34:00 - [2] Imo, drop the deadspace micro. It's not going to improve your speed enough to be cost-effective, so, unless you've got it on there for another reason, give it up. I don't think it'd be worth spending as much as (almost) another fitted ship on just the micro.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:35:00 - [3] Originally by: slayr08 I wanna a good small roaming wolf gang setup. I don't wanna hear how gimped the ship is cause imo like al minnie ships you just have fly it right for it to be effective. my current setup is this. highs: 4x 200mm ac2's 1 small nos mids: 1 gisti b mwd 1 warp dis 2 lows: 1 gyro2 1 400mm rolled tungsten plates 2 named eanm any improvements constuctive only thanks drop the enam faction mwd and nos, put on t2 mwd 2 mroe gryos (or cpu mod as needed) and t2 rocket launcher
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:45:00 - [4] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 28/08/2008 23:47:49 [Wolf, Non-Suck] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I BTW, the setup you posted doesn't even come close to fitting.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:47:00 - [5] Originally by: Merin Ryskin [Wolf, Non-Suck] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I .....you just live to troll dont you?
slayr08	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:51:00 - [6] Edited by: slayr08 on 28/08/2008 23:52:41 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 28/08/2008 23:47:49 [Wolf, Non-Suck] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I BTW, the setup you posted doesn't even come close to fitting. actually you right it doesn't fit I had thrown the nos off the top of my head and next look at the slot layout before you post there are only 2 mid slots and 4 turret slots
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:51:00 - [7] Originally by: Arvald .....you just live to troll dont you? No, I live to provide useful advice. I posted a setup that out-performs his in every relevant way, and for less ISK.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:52:00 - [8] Originally by: slayr08 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 28/08/2008 23:47:49 [Wolf, Non-Suck] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S [empty high slot] Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Ambit Extension I Projectile Metastasis Adjuster I BTW, the setup you posted doesn't even come close to fitting. actually you right it doesn't fit I had thrown the nos off the top of my head and next look at the slot layout before you post there are only 2 mid slots hes being a smartass and telling you to get a stabber, dont listen to morons like this fly whatever you want to fly. more fun that way
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Arvald .....you just live to troll dont you? No, I live to provide useful advice. I posted a setup that out-performs his in every relevant way, and for less ISK. usefull advice my ass, he asked for wolf setups not smartass comments no how he should not fly them, now get the hell outa my forums
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:53:00 - [10] Originally by: slayr08 actually you right it doesn't fit I had thrown the nos off the top of my head and next look at the slot layout before you post there are only 2 mid slots It doesn't even fit without the NOS. And yes, I know the Wolf only has two mid slots. This is one of the many reasons my setup is better than yours.

Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:55:00 - [11] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: slayr08 actually you right it doesn't fit I had thrown the nos off the top of my head and next look at the slot layout before you post there are only 2 mid slots It doesn't even fit without the NOS. And yes, I know the Wolf only has two mid slots. This is one of the many reasons my setup is better than yours. no its not, its diffrent for a different use. and it does fight i jsut forgot to mention i have pwg imps and such, gota remember to start telling people that
slayr08	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: slayr08 actually you right it doesn't fit I had thrown the nos off the top of my head and next look at the slot layout before you post there are only 2 mid slots It doesn't even fit without the NOS. And yes, I know the Wolf only has two mid slots. This is one of the many reasons my setup is better than yours. ok its not a solo setup its a small gang setup with actually 2 other wolf pilots if I wanted to solo I would go for the jag
slayr08	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:58:00 - [13] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: slayr08 actually you right it doesn't fit I had thrown the nos off the top of my head and next look at the slot layout before you post there are only 2 mid slots It doesn't even fit without the NOS. And yes, I know the Wolf only has two mid slots. This is one of the many reasons my setup is better than yours. ok its not a solo setup its a small gang setup with actually 2 other wolf pilots if I wanted to solo I would go for the jag
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.28 23:58:00 - [14] Originally by: slayr08 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: slayr08 actually you right it doesn't fit I had thrown the nos off the top of my head and next look at the slot layout before you post there are only 2 mid slots It doesn't even fit without the NOS. And yes, I know the Wolf only has two mid slots. This is one of the many reasons my setup is better than yours. ok its not a solo setup its a small gang setup with actually 2 other wolf pilots if I wanted to solo I would go for the jag ok now that right there is epic friggin win, a small pack of these mofos could prety easly shred a bs with competent pilots at the helm
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:00:00 - [15] Originally by: Arvald ok now that right there is epic friggin win, a small pack of these mofos could prety easly shred a bs with competent pilots at the helm Which is completely meaningless. Almost ANY ship can kill a battleship if you bring enough of them, and a small pack of ships that don't completely suck would do the job much better.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:03:00 - [16] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Arvald ok now that right there is epic friggin win, a small pack of these mofos could prety easly shred a bs with competent pilots at the helm Which is completely meaningless. Almost ANY ship can kill a battleship if you bring enough of them, and a small pack of ships that don't completely suck would do the job much better. ok ima just ignore you from now on because you seem to be an eft warrior, come back when you have 2+ years of solo/small gang low sec pirating then we will talk
slayr08	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:04:00 - [17] Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 28/08/2008 23:36:27 Edited by: Arvald on 28/08/2008 23:35:31 Originally by: slayr08 I wanna a good small roaming wolf gang setup. I don't wanna hear how gimped the ship is cause imo like al minnie ships you just have fly it right for it to be effective. my current setup is this. highs: 4x 200mm ac2's 1 small nos mids: 1 gisti b mwd 1 warp dis 2 lows: 1 gyro2 1 400mm rolled tungsten plates 2 named eanm any improvements constuctive only thanks drop the enam faction mwd and nos, put on t2 mwd 2 more gryos (or cpu mod as needed) and t2 rocket launcher but other than that it is awesome also this is jsut my personal preference so if you prefer a bit more survivability over HEY LOOK A SHIP LETS BLOW IT THE **** UP then go for it I have the gisti mwd on there cause it doesn't use up as much cap and the nos drop sounds good but maybe lows have 2gyro2's and 2 nano2's
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:07:00 - [18] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 29/08/2008 00:07:29 Originally by: Arvald ok ima just ignore you from now on because you seem to be an eft warrior, come back when you have 2+ years of solo/small gang low sec pirating then we will talk Hi. I'm back. Assault frigates still suck, and are out-performed in every way by destroyers or T1 cruisers (not that either of those are really that awesome, but they're better than assault frigates). But since it should be easy for you, being such an expert pirate, name even one scenario where assault frigates are better than an equal number of destroyers and T1 cruisers.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:07:00 - [19] Originally by: slayr08 Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 28/08/2008 23:36:27 Edited by: Arvald on 28/08/2008 23:35:31 Originally by: slayr08 I wanna a good small roaming wolf gang setup. I don't wanna hear how gimped the ship is cause imo like al minnie ships you just have fly it right for it to be effective. my current setup is this. highs: 4x 200mm ac2's 1 small nos mids: 1 gisti b mwd 1 warp dis 2 lows: 1 gyro2 1 400mm rolled tungsten plates 2 named eanm any improvements constuctive only thanks drop the enam faction mwd and nos, put on t2 mwd 2 more gryos (or cpu mod as needed) and t2 rocket launcher but other than that it is awesome also this is jsut my personal preference so if you prefer a bit more survivability over HEY LOOK A SHIP LETS BLOW IT THE **** UP then go for it I have the gisti mwd on there cause it doesn't use up as much cap and the nos drop sounds good but maybe lows have 2gyro2's and 2 nano2's your going to be within web range to fight in this thing anyways to the armor plates ar ea better choice, the nanos will just get you killed sooner, but again all personal preferance try it out and see what you like best
slayr08	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:15:00 - [20] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: slayr08 Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 28/08/2008 23:36:27 Edited by: Arvald on 28/08/2008 23:35:31 Originally by: slayr08 I wanna a good small roaming wolf gang setup. I don't wanna hear how gimped the ship is cause imo like al minnie ships you just have fly it right for it to be effective. my current setup is this. highs: 4x 200mm ac2's 1 small nos mids: 1 gisti b mwd 1 warp dis 2 lows: 1 gyro2 1 400mm rolled tungsten plates 2 named eanm any improvements constuctive only thanks drop the enam faction mwd and nos, put on t2 mwd 2 more gryos (or cpu mod as needed) and t2 rocket launcher but other than that it is awesome also this is jsut my personal preference so if you prefer a bit more survivability over HEY LOOK A SHIP LETS BLOW IT THE **** UP then go for it I have the gisti mwd on there cause it doesn't use up as much cap and the nos drop sounds good but maybe lows have 2gyro2's and 2 nano2's your going to be within web range to fight in this thing anyways to the armor plates ar ea better choice, the nanos will just get you killed sooner, but again all personal preferance try it out and see what you like best actually unless they got a commander or faction web I stay out of webbing range 14 km to be exact

Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:18:00 - [21] Originally by: slayr08 your going to be within web range to fight in this thing anyways to the armor plates ar ea better choice, the nanos will just get you killed sooner, but again all personal preferance try it out and see what you like best actually unless they got a commander or faction web I stay out of webbing range 14 km to be exact yeah but then your sactificing all that sweet sweet dps, i bull about 265dps at 1km in my wolf
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:20:00 - [22] Originally by: Arvald yeah but then your sactificing all that sweet sweet dps, i bull about 265dps at 1km in my wolf Wow, nice DPS. Too bad a Thrasher is doing 290 DPS at the same distance, and doing it with much better tracking so you don't lose half of it to the short range. Oh yeah, and also doing it with more tank. BTW, I'm still waiting for you to post even a single scenario where assault frigates are better than an equal number of destroyers and T1 cruisers.
slayr08	Posted - 2008.08.29 00:48:00 - [23] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Arvald yeah but then your sactificing all that sweet sweet dps, i bull about 265dps at 1km in my wolf Wow, nice DPS. Too bad a Thrasher is doing 290 DPS at the same distance, and doing it with much better tracking so you don't lose half of it to the short range. Oh yeah, and also doing it with more tank. BTW, I'm still waiting for you to post even a single scenario where assault frigates are better than an equal number of destroyers and T1 cruisers. considering my first victim was in a caracal couldn't just let him steal my loot
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.29 01:21:00 - [24] Originally by: slayr08 considering my first victim was in a caracal couldn't just let him steal my loot The obvious rule in there is "assuming equal skills". Ganking a newbie in a Caracal doesn't count. The correct question to ask in that scenario is which ship would be better for you at ganking that newbie in a Caracal, the Wolf or a Thrasher/Stabber/Rupture? And just guess what the answer might be...
InsanlyEvlPerson Gallente Mercenaries International Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.29 02:18:00 - [25] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: slayr08 considering my first victim was in a caracal couldn't just let him steal my loot The obvious rule in there is "assuming equal skills". Ganking a newbie in a Caracal doesn't count. The correct question to ask in that scenario is which ship would be better for you at ganking that newbie in a Caracal, the Wolf or a Thrasher/Stabber/Rupture? And just guess what the answer might be... The wolf is a very fun ship, even though it is outperformed by many others. honestly, the ruppie woudl do the best, but the trasher and wolf would b the most fun, and fun is what the game is about.
DubanFP Caldari Out of Order Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.08.29 02:35:00 - [26] Edited by: DubanFP on 29/08/2008 02:38:25 Originally by: slayr08 I don't wanna hear how gimped the ship is cause imo like al minnie ships you just have fly it right for it to be effective. Let me put it this way. Even if you fit/fly a wolf right then the correctly fit/flown ceptor/hurricane/stabber will give superior overall performance in just about any PVP situation you plan on fitting it for and using it in at equal or less cost. Look I know you want to fly a wolf but there simply is no right way to fly one without having a superior alternative. _______________ "Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely outclassed
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.08.29 03:00:00 - [27] Originally by: slayr08 I wanna a good small roaming wolf gang setup. I don't wanna hear how gimped the ship is cause imo like al minnie ships you just have fly it right for it to be effective. my current setup is this. highs: 4x 200mm ac2's 1 small nos mids: 1 gisti b mwd 1 warp dis 2 lows: 1 gyro2 1 400mm rolled tungsten plates 2 named eanm any improvements constuctive only thanks High: 200mm II x 4 Nos II Medium: 1mn AB II Named warp scrambler low: SAR II Energized reactive II energized magnetic II 200 rolled tungsten plate rigs: projectile collision projectile burst The AF will rock after the web nerf. I killed a vaga and deimos solo on sisi with this. The scrambler turns off the MWD. Medium Turret ships can't track. 'Nuff said.
Arvald Caldari Ninjas N Pirates Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.08.29 03:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Zarnak Wulf Originally by: slayr08 I wanna a good small roaming wolf gang setup. I don't wanna hear how gimped the ship is cause imo like al minnie ships you just have fly it right for it to be effective. my current setup is this. highs: 4x 200mm ac2's 1 small nos mids: 1 gisti b mwd 1 warp dis 2 lows: 1 gyro2 1 400mm rolled tungsten plates 2 named eanm any improvements constuctive only thanks High: 200mm II x 4 Nos II Medium: 1mn AB II Named warp scrambler low: SAR II Energized reactive II energized magnetic II 200 rolled tungsten plate rigs: projectile collision projectile burst The AF will rock after the web nerf. I killed a vaga and deimos solo on sisi with this. The scrambler turns off the MWD. Medium Turret ships can't track. 'Nuff said. this is also a good setup for if you like tank
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.08.29 03:32:00 - [29] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 29/08/2008 03:34:15 Originally by: Zarnak Wulf The AF will rock after the web nerf. I killed a vaga and deimos solo on sisi with this. The scrambler turns off the MWD. Medium Turret ships can't track. 'Nuff said. Err, can I have some of what you're smoking? Medium guns very definitely CAN track you once you get into web range (as you have to do with a 7.5km scram). Just run the numbers on it, using an AB interceptor as the test target, a comparison that favors your case, since there's no way an AB assault frigate will be faster than an AB inty or have a lower sig radius. Originally by: Arvald this is also a good setup for if you like tank If you like dying, you mean. You tank a staggering 55 dps against thermal, with a little over 7k EHP. Hammerhead IIs do 155 dps. You have approximately 70 seconds to live, which doesn't really matter, since you can only run your AB/scram/SAR for 59 seconds, and your amazing 170 dps will take quite a bit longer to kill anything. Oh, wait, you're in web range if you want to do non-zero dps. I hope you don't mind replacing your ships too often... against a Thorax you have less than 30 seconds to live. But please, take your AF up against medium guns. The last AF that tried your no-MWD strategy died to my Vigilant in less than 15 seconds.
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.08.29 03:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 29/08/2008 03:34:15 Originally by: Zarnak Wulf The AF will rock after the web nerf. I killed a vaga and deimos solo on sisi with this. The scrambler turns off the MWD. Medium Turret ships can't track. 'Nuff said. Err, can I have some of what you're smoking? Medium guns very definitely CAN track you once you get into web range (as you have to do with a 7.5km scram). Just run the numbers on it, using an AB interceptor as the test target, a comparison that favors your case, since there's no way an AB assault frigate will be faster than an AB inty or have a lower sig radius. Originally by: Arvald this is also a good setup for if you like tank If you like dying, you mean. You tank a staggering 55 dps against thermal, with a little over 7k EHP. Hammerhead IIs do 155 dps. You have approximately 70 seconds to live, which doesn't really matter, since you can only run your AB/scram/SAR for 59 seconds, and your amazing 170 dps will take quite a bit longer to kill anything. Oh, wait, you're in web range if you want to do non-zero dps. I hope you don't mind replacing your ships too often... against a Thorax you have less than 30 seconds to live. But please, take your AF up against medium guns. The last AF that tried your no-MWD strategy died to my Vigilant in less than 15 seconds. Are you using the new numbers? AB Wolf after speed nerf goes 928m/s. Web only does 60%. The wolf is therefore orbiting at 700ishm at 371m/s. Whatever I got hit w/ my SARII had no problem keeping up with.

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