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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Cryxx
Right, now after having played the game for some 16 days I thought I would throw a post here about my initial thoughts about the game, forum, community and stuff like that.
And yes, I'm aware that many posts in this thread proberbly will contain comments like "first" "lol" "no u!" or other such mindless additions, but I can ignore that ;)
Now first impressions is proberbly the same as 90% or more who just started playing eve, that it's a very different MMO from others I've tried and by this I don't only mean the way skill works, that it's a game about spaceships and stuff like that, but also how the players behave.
The first big thing I noticed was the discussion about if eve is a PVE or PVP game, and here the term "carebear" gets thrown around alot and it seems, usually has a negative meaning.
The way I understand it, carebear is, in its most basic form, a name for a non-pvp'er and when used by pvp'ers it usually, as I said, gets a negative meaning which to me sound a bit like "hardcore" pvpers believing that people who dont pvp, arent playing the game as they should, hence, theyre doing it wrong.
Now it could just be me not being used to how things are done in eve, but this is frankly very silly, theres are tons of ways to play an MMO and non of em is the right way so I really don't see why people chosing not to PVP have to be rediculed (sp) in this manor.
Second thing I noticed is the higher difficulty in the game, compared to other MMOs, EVE is almost playing MMOs on hardmode and I love this fact, it's nice playing a game thats not holding my hand and guiding me through it till the end like I needed someone else to tell me how to put my pants on in the morning.
One problem I see with this is also one of the things I like about the game, the "if you can't take it, go play something else" attitude, I'm talking about stuff like "the only real place you're safe is in a station" "you will get podded" and phrases like that, which to me is kinda awsome, cause it adds to the "no limits" type gameplay but it also seems that some people cant handle this as they almost go out of their way to make the experience as misserable for others players as they can, which is really really sad.
The last thing, is the forums, I don't really get the player attitude here, were all here to talk and discuss a game we all enjoy and pay to play, so why the hostile attitude? yes I know some people post stupid and uninformative or useless posts, but whats wrong with ignoring the post or just saying something constructive, why the need to redicule the one writing it?
Don't take this as complaining or whining, I just don't get it, I'm a member of a ton of forums and I must admit, I've never seen this form of attitude on a board before.
I have no idea what people reading this post can take away from it, but hope I'll get some useful and interesting replies to some of the above thoughts.
Well thats it for now, I'll add more if I come up with some.
Fly safe
Cryxx
Pretty much on the money. Hit me up ingame if you want a chat about some stuff.
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.08.29 15:59:00 -
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After a year and a half, I'm having a lot of fun.
When I started, WTZ was being discussed and the galaxy was a bit different than now. And yes, even as a carebear, I long for the days of yore (yeah I said 'yore') when making an isk was harder. It seems way too easy lately to make money, so I can understand the mentality of wanting to ruin a newb's day. The game mechanics allow griefers and I wouldn't have it any other way. (Keeps the competition down  )
Either way, New Eden is a universe unto itself with very little hand holding. The fact that I could lose an entire year and a half's work by getting podded without a medical clone is the reason I open up that splash screen several times a day. Oh well, live and let die, right?
This is OUR Eve. Welcome. Fly hard.
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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los ojos
COGNET SpaceSystems Ltd
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Xavier Zedicus
yes eve-online definatly has a harsh learning curve.
Cue this classic.
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Tharukan Desm'ar
Gallente
The Ninth Circle
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.08.29 16:20:00 -
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Cryxx. Welcome to EVE id first like to say. Its nice to see a new player taking a slightly more analytical view. I felt a lot or noticed the same/ similar viewpoints to what you've observed. Its reasons for its success are a double edged sword. Give some people the ability to freely ( and anonymously) target and discourage another player from playing some will just for the sake of it. Thats just the internet for you.
But at the same time knowing that the universe has its share of cutthroats willing to sell you up the river is exciting in itself. With low sec being a kind of wild west and 0.0 the real open frontier both with their varying play styles. Plus hi sec for if you prefer a slightly safer existence or need down time to recoup losses. These varying styles of play and the type of players are what can make the game very enjoyable for me. The biggest factor that will keep you in the game will be people of like mind that you feel you can work with.
As for the forums. Yes it can have a lot more than most in the form of failposts and people dictating that their gameplay is the THE way to play eve. Some people even make a game out of the whole ridiculing a player for not doing things the way they consider right. But just sift through the rubbish and you still get well structured, insightful posts and discussions.
Good luck on your journey through EVE. And most of all have fun!
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Kelli Flay
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Posted - 2008.08.29 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
Originally by: Cryxx
The last thing, is the forums, I don't really get the player attitude here, were all here to talk and discuss a game we all enjoy and pay to play, so why the hostile attitude?
That would be about 95% of the posters, but there are some who will post a bit more constructive.
The EVE forums is infested with different types of cliques, often very different but they share one thing in common, and thats the lack of ability to post anythng other than knee jerk comments ('adapt or die, can I have your stuff, omg whiner, carebear, wanna be pirate' and so on that have been repeated ad nauseam.
These comments are usually replies to posts that arein anyway critical to what resides in their little fanboy hearts. I suspect this is in fact because most of them are either North American or 14 years old, probably a combination of both. No offense if you are american, but Xbox live uses would know what I'm talking about.
In anycase, there are a lot of mature members with good posts, and I hope you continue to play EVE.
I was agreeing with you until you made that moronic claim that most of the whiners in this game are from North America. Many of the biggest drama queens on these forums refer to who they are talking to as "mate." We don't use that word that way in NA.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:04:00 -
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This is the General Discussion forum, basically the forum where all the whines are. If, as a new player, you have questions about the game or want to discuss aspects of it in more detail, the Newbie Questions/Answers forum is much better than this. People are nice and helpful, there.
Otherwise, the game is centered around competition and PVP, and time spent giving advice is time wasted and lost profits, so you won't see much of a friendly attitude in-game or on most of the forums.
I do have to say, though, that the difference between how strangers treat you and how your corp-mates treat you (once you join a corp) is like night and day. Once you're part of a group of players, it's much better.
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Khrillian
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Cryxx
Don't take this as complaining or whining, I just don't get it, I'm a member of a ton of forums and I must admit, I've never seen this form of attitude on a board before.
For future reference, usually if it sounds like a whine, then it is a whine. Putting a disclaimer in the post won't change the tone.
Go read any other MMO forums (especially WoW)...much worse than EVE. Go read any forums about religion or politics...also probably worse.
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Kelron Queldine
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.08.29 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Chomin H'ak
The fact that I could lose an entire year and a half's work by getting podded without a medical clone is the reason I open up that splash screen several times a day.
No you won't, you'll probably lose a day or two's training at most. Hope that doesn't mean you'll quit now  |
Merlunus
Caldari
Subtle Romance
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:04:00 -
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Welcome to eve, the game rocks. Here's my take on the forums; some respond in a reasonable and helpful fashion, others will just slam you because that's all they know how to do. Just scroll until you get something useful.
fly safe.
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Arric Rohr
Gallente
Intergalactic Science LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Haraldhardrade
I suspect this is in fact because most of them are either North American or 14 years old, probably a combination of both.
Wow, what an elitist thing to say. Makes the rest of your post suspect, and you deserving of no respect whatsoever.
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.08.29 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Chomin H'ak
The fact that I could lose an entire year and a half's work by getting podded without a medical clone is the reason I open up that splash screen several times a day.
This is what happens when you die without a clone.
You lose 5% of your points or half your biggest skill, whichever is less. Typically that's anywhere from a few hours to a week or so of re-training.
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Chomin H'ak
The Trivenerate
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Posted - 2008.08.29 21:23:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel
This is what happens when you die without a clone.
You lose 5% of your points or half your biggest skill, whichever is less. Typically that's anywhere from a few hours to a week or so of re-training.
Awwwww. And here all this time, I thought I'd get pwned back to newb island... way to put a harsh on my mellow.
Originally by: Frenden Dax
My heart hopes that people aren't that stupid, but my experiences thus far suggest otherwise.
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Bluddwolf
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.08.29 23:40:00 -
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I've been playing EvE (consistantly) for 2 years, and close to 4 years over all. I've had a very different experience then the OP, mainly because I've only recently started coming to and posting on the forums.
To the OP....avoid forums, particularly negative posts about the game. It is a strange occurance. The more complaints you read about the game, the less you start liking the game. negative forum posts have a way of tainitng your own impressions, even if you don't initially agree with the post.
As for the Carebear vs Hardcore PvP'er debate. Carebears, which I have been one, make a crap load of money with very little risk. PvP'ers are jealous of this fact. PvP'ers have more fun in exchange for the risks that they run. Carebears are jealous of this.
There is a happy medium! Run lvl 4 combat missions in a Battle Cruiser!! If your ship is geared out in all T2 stuff, and your gunnery, missile, capacity and recharge skills are near max, you will have a decent chance of completing most missions. But, still on afew of them you will be flying at the edge of your seat and occasionally you will lose a ship. Finally, if you can salvage, these missions will usually earn you between 10 - 20 million each! I've actually earned as high as 35 million in one two hour mission.
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Chomin H'ak
Originally by: Letouk Mernel
This is what happens when you die without a clone.
You lose 5% of your points or half your biggest skill, whichever is less. Typically that's anywhere from a few hours to a week or so of re-training.
Awwwww. And here all this time, I thought I'd get pwned back to newb island... way to put a harsh on my mellow.
As your character gets older, that penalty gets harsher. Losing have of battleship 5 = more than a week...
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AeonPhoenix
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Posted - 2008.08.30 00:23:00 -
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What Malcanis said, I got carried away in faction war and lost just over a month on one skill.
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F'nog
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.08.30 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kelron Queldine
Then, of course, you have the 13 year old smacktalking pirates high on sugar who can't understand why someone doesn't want to be ganked and laughed at in local by them.
And they are just as much carebears as your average miner, only around here we call them gankbears. They'll laugh at you and call you names because you warped out of their 5 BS gatecamp in your hauler, which couldn't do anything to them even if you wanted, but show up with a prepared force and kill them and they'll whine about how you cheated.
There are quite a number of players who want NO risk to themselves, but as much risk as possible to their victims. If the tables are turned, or at least equalized, they're not happy. These are not real PvPers; just as many "carebears" are perfectly fine with the risk inherent in Eve. They may even love it, even if they don't go around shooting other people.
Note that I don't have anything against gatecamps. They make a lot of sense. Just don't go around saying it's not fair that people insist on not dying to them when they're skilled/knowledgeable enough not to.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba
Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Gangus
Minmatar
Matari BackBone
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2008.08.30 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: Fakespace
Originally by: Cryxx
"the only real place you're safe is in a station"
this only apply until you open the market window, contract window... err... just make that
"as long as all you do is stare at the screen", as soon as you do anything you are NOT safe :)
I'd have to add, that unless your video card has a dead fan, it's generally safe to spin your view around the hangar. DAMN YOU CCP FOR TAKING AWAY THE ORBIT HANGAR OPTION AND MAKING ME DO IT BY HAND!!!!!
Never mess with a guy in an ugly ship. He's bitter and has nothing to lose. |
Ris Dnalor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.08.30 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Cailais
Edited by: Cailais on 29/08/2008 09:03:44
Hiya Cryxx and welcome to EVE.
The 'carebear' hate you're noticing here is that in the very early days of EVE 'carebearing' was essentially impossible. CONCORD NPC protection didnt exist, missions paid awful rewards and the closest thing you could do to 'carebearing' was mining.
EVEs changed a great deal since those early days and increasingly its become almost as profitable if not more profitable to 'carebear' than not.
Many veterans are appaled by this change over the years and see more and more 'protection' being provided to players - so EVE becomes safer but looses that hard edge which they joined for in the first place.
Comparisons to WOW are natural here as WOW has no 'loss' mechanics: you simply cant go backwards. Some feel, rightly or wrongly, that CCP are moving towards the WOW model in order to increase their subscriber base - and theyre not very happy about it.
Because historicaly 'player killers' in EVE were seen as the 'hard core' element players now are prepared to go to extreme measures to inflict harm on others - in essence they believe 'making life miserable for others' is how the vets behaved and want to emulate this behaviour.
All this kinda spills over onto the forums where the eternal argument of wether EVE should be harder or softer (in terms of the player experience) rages on.
Have fun tho ;)
C.
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Cryxx
Minmatar
Blindsight Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 11:06:00 -
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Well, after having read all the replies I thought it was time that I replied to some of that, now that you've taken your time to write it.
First of to NeoTheo: nope, dosnt ring a bell, Cryxx is the name of an NPC I've used in some of my games of Vampire:TM and kinda liked it so stuck with it.
Hope people didn't get an impression that I didn't like the game, I'm loving it and I proberbly spent way to much time online.
Starting to understand the carebear vs. pvp debate a bit more due to some replies, even though I'll start using the word about other players, even if people insist I will ;)
So far I've only had one PVP-experience and that was with a corp mate, and we stopped when we reached the hull, so not a true PVP experience.
Now I can understand what veteran players are going through with all the changes being made since as a warhammer/40k player, I've gone through the exact same thing with my big game-love but theres no reason to blame it on the newbies (not that I'm saying every veteran player does that).
Not much else to say but thanks to the people replying, really enjoying the game so far and intend to be in it for the long haul and I'm just happy I found a good corp this early, so I wouldn't be flying around by my self.
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Florio
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2008.08.30 11:33:00 -
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Edited by: Florio on 30/08/2008 11:34:40
Edited by: Florio on 30/08/2008 11:33:48
Welcome to EVE Cryxx.
There are two types of carebears, those who have done the whole pvp thing and those who have not. I think it should be those who have never pvp'd that should be ridiculed, as pvp is so enjoyable the only reason for not pvping is fear. I laugh at and scorn these carebears for worrying too much about a bunch of pixels and for being cowards. If someone has pvp'd and then goes back to market pvp or mining, that's fine, at least they've tried it.
The difficulty of EVE is not in itself a good thing imho. I see it as a side-effect of EVE's fantastic depth, but anything to reduce the gradient of the learning curve should be encouraged so new casual players are not put off. The improved tutorials have been great for this. Another great feature of EVE is the single shard and size. My first EVE OMG moment was pressing F10 and realising what I was looking at.
And yeh, our forums suck as this internet spaceship game seems to attract socially undeveloped individuals (funny that), but the forums are not representative of most players.
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ZephyrLexx
Caldari
Earth Federation Space Forces
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Posted - 2008.08.30 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: 5pinDizzy
To be honest nearly all the people who think they're hardcore are full of shit,
0.0 is as much carebear land as highsec, and that's about 90% of the eve population right there.
To me someone who is hardcore is someone that lives in lowsec with only a few friends maybe who goes out looking for trouble every day, and doesn't have an alt in highsec or nullsec.
what's the difference between "nullsec" and "0.0 sec"? (seriously, I don't know)
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Malcanis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Cryxx
Well, after having read all the replies I thought it was time that I replied to some of that, now that you've taken your time to write it.
First of to NeoTheo: nope, dosnt ring a bell, Cryxx is the name of an NPC I've used in some of my games of Vampire:TM and kinda liked it so stuck with it.
Hope people didn't get an impression that I didn't like the game, I'm loving it and I proberbly spent way to much time online.
Starting to understand the carebear vs. pvp debate a bit more due to some replies, even though I'll start using the word about other players, even if people insist I will ;)
So far I've only had one PVP-experience and that was with a corp mate, and we stopped when we reached the hull, so not a true PVP experience.
Now I can understand what veteran players are going through with all the changes being made since as a warhammer/40k player, I've gone through the exact same thing with my big game-love but theres no reason to blame it on the newbies (not that I'm saying every veteran player does that).
Not much else to say but thanks to the people replying, really enjoying the game so far and intend to be in it for the long haul and I'm just happy I found a good corp this early, so I wouldn't be flying around by my self.
If you've found a good corp then you've already achieved the most important goal.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.30 14:44:00 -
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Welcome to EVE. Compared to other MMOs, it's still a harsh world, even if the few degrees of relative harshness get debated ad infinitum on the forums. I won't bother with suggestions on how to get started or further in the game, because by the sounds of it, you've already taken the time to do that yourself. That attitude will take you far.
Fly safe, enjoy, and remember, it's a game you're paying for, not a job or for someone else's entertainment. Resist rising to the jerks out there, play it cautious till you know what you're doing, fly what you can afford to lose, and you'll do fine.
If the mining/industry thing is your thing, see you on the markets or in the belts. If PvP is your thing, see you in combat.
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My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.08.30 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: ZephyrLexx
what's the difference between "nullsec" and "0.0 sec"? (seriously, I don't know)
None whatsoever. It's just two different forms of saying it. Low-sec and null-sec, or 0.4-0.1 and 0.0 and below.
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My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...
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Cryxx
Minmatar
Blindsight Inc.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 15:10:00 -
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Well I sorta intend to do both, although if you see me out mining, I'm proberbly bussy painting miniatures while doing it ;)
But I'll expect in some months time, I'll get into PVP some more.
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DubanFP
Caldari
Out of Order
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.08.30 15:41:00 -
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bump past the crap
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