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nartela	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:07:00 - [1] Edited by: nartela on 29/08/2008 11:12:01 please don't criticize the terrible way i right, i can only right properly on essays for some reason. yes thats right i want to know why people who play this game seem to hate warcraft so much, and even go so far to use it as an insult. e.g "go back to playing WoW" i never understood this hatred for warcraft and the garbage arguments that back it up. dont get me wrong i prefer eve love sci fi more then fantasy, but i dont mind warcraft. anyway please place your arguments for why you think warcraft is crap. try and refrain from using crap arguments such as these. 1 warcraft is for children (alot of people who play are over the age of 18) 2 its to easy (eve is just as easy once you get past the steep learning curve that last for about 3 days) 3 its just crap (10 million people disagree) insulting me is also not considered constructive debate.
Benco97 Gallente The Star League	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:12:00 - [2] Personally I don't have any REAL problem with WoW itself, it's clearly a fun enough game or it wouldn't be so popular. My gripe is with it's impact on the gaming community, It was absolutely blanket advertised everywhere which pretty much ensured it was most people's first MMO (despite it being several years later than other games)and so it shot to fame. Other developers have seen this amazing rise in popularity and assume that WoW is some sort of magical panacea for gaming so they churn out clone after clone after clone which the people play because they don't know any different and so we have crappy clones of an average game becoming popular while Unique titles and ideas get ignored because they aren't WoW enough. THAT is my problem with WoW, I can't help but think how things would be different if they'd not advertised it so violently and allowed it to garner attention based on it's own ability rather than being shoved in everyone's face. Many of my friends play WoW, that's fine it just isn't the game for me. Originally by: P'uck You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
nartela	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:18:00 - [3] i suppose your right if there wherent so many things like guild wars and conan and all that shit there would be alot more people to play eve. hopefully ambulation will attract a few more players to the game, even if it dosen attract hard core pvp if mini games are added to the stations we could have an influx of more casual gamers.
Ludi Tomina	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:19:00 - [4] Ok, its not that people hate it, its that EVE players hate it, because its everything that EVE is not. For example, you die in WoW, only problem for you is annoying running to your body and you just pick up your stuff and move on. You die in EVE......... Your ship is lost, if you are podded you also loose your expensive implants and....you never get them again!! now imagine you are a Titan pilot with uber implants. That death just costed you and your alliance god know how many days of playing. Some people (although minority) likes it when its tough, and wouldnt want it any other way. And expression "go back to playing WoW" is usually used when someone is whining about EVE being unfair and hard......just like life, right? And WoW..........WoW is IMO a feary tale, in which good always win! Although in RL, that almost never happens!
nartela	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:21:00 - [5] yay so far imm loving your arguments your all coming up with valid points and arent flaming cool.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:27:00 - [6] Well, I never said "GB2WOW" myself (not that I remember), nor did I ever play WoW myself (but I've watched acquaintances play it heavily). Basically, WoW is a (mostly) single-player game (or a multiplayer co-op) with a nice enough story up to the higher levels, and up to that point the game basically guides you though just about everything you'd have to do to complete it. Wether it takes months to take it all slowly in or just days (skipping everything but the mandatory parts and using the best strategies and higher-level backup) is up to the individual player. After reaching the level cap however, it turns into a massive grindfest for "things you will want to have and you can never lose" that have a very small chance to drop from a certain boss in a large co-op "raid". So, if you have to point a hand at the "why people say that", it now becomes quite easy to guess why. In EVE, nobody holds your hand, and you have to find most content by yourself, you DON'T have a set of "things you must have you'll never lose", you DON'T have to re-start the (now a grind too) game from "level 1" as a new character race/class and so on and so forth. The WoW experience is DESIGNED to be extremely easy on the newbie and powergameable by the expert, it's designed to be a "play more to get the good stuff" type of game, and it's designed to never have you set back in any significant way. The EVE experience is designed to be equally hards on all people, designed to minimize the effect of wealth and player age as much as bearable and designed to give you the opportunity to shoot yourself in the foot, losing EVERYTHING you might have if you're stupid enough. 1. So, yeah, WoW is for children too, while EVE is supposed to be an "adult mindset only" game. 2. WoW is easy, as in, it requires no serious mental effort to get into, whereas EVE has you do your own research (be it from scattered data, other players or whatnot) and your own thinking (too many variables to rely on somebody else spoon-feeding you "the optimal" setup, especially since there's no single such "optimal" setup most of the time). 3. And McDonalds isn't crap either, right ? Now, the actual HATE towards WoW is not for WoW itself. It's for those people that want to see the things "featured" in WoW brought into EVE. The people that WANT to get a hand-holding experience in EVE, the people that WANT to not be able to make stupid mistake, the people that WANT to be able to powergame or not ever PvP, and so on and so forth. For those people, "GB2WOW" might just have been an appropriate insult... however, as EVE turns more and more mainstream, it turns slowly more and more into WoW in space, so that insult might cease to be an insult before long. _ SHOPS \|\| Mission rewards revamp \|\| better nanofix
Slade Trillgon Siorai Iontach	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:31:00 - [7] 2) It is just to basic. Plus you have to put in crazy time to easily grind all the ridculous experiance to get to the next level, with the same creatures with differnt looks, and then grind pvp for points for gear. EVE is dynamic, even if it is with a small group of people, EVE in a corp is so much better then being in NPC corp. Interaction is all but required in EVE. In WOW not so much. I found myself stuck at level 45 because my friends had left me in the dust in Levels. So I held back and would constantly help the one person in local calling for help them out with finding a location and damage control. It almost seems that the 2 games are theoretical opposites. Slade Originally by: Crumplecorn NerfBat is now known as the WaveMachine. DesuSigs
nartela	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:38:00 - [8] lol forogt but the recent posts have hit the reason why im quit wow and uninstalled it then sold the disks. i finally got to level 70 and was told id now have to do the same thing 200 times to get the right gear.........no NO i wont i said. i got the game from a friend and i refuse to play it anymore because of blizzard forcing you to buy the expansion if you want to be more powerful.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:42:00 - [9] I like both EVE and WoW, but i've been playing WoW more as of late. Its just easier to pick up and play. The gains are instant, and even if its not hardcore, the lack of hardcore-ness just makes it more fun to play. You get something to work towards, and even when you hit LvL70, you can still run raids for Epic lootz etc. EVE and WoW are different animals. Personally I find the multiplayer aspects, joining a Party etc, to be a lot more amusing and fun than in EVE when fleeted. Plus the atmosphere and ambience in WoW, such as the first time I walked into Ironforge, made me shit a brick. It was awesome, and I could see clusters of individual player characters at the auction house... ...Who i then proceeded to throw fireworks at.
Dheorl Surge.	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:45:00 - [10] I have played WoW (although only a few trials) and it's partly because it's so easy that I didn't like it but mainly it's the community. Maybe I was just unlucky but when I went to the first major city you encounter and I was around about level 20 I wanted to get into some of the other aspects such as crafting. At one point I was unsure of what to do and it turned out all I had to do was something stupid like right click but as soon as I asked for help I was greated by screams of "shut up you **ing noob", "go back to killing bugs", "haha, what a shit noob, he can't even do x". As soon as that happened I decided this for **s and giggles and stopped playing. It's a fun game to play, nice and relaxing but it does seem to have a very high population of jerks.

nartela	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:54:00 - [11] i disagree when i was playin wow i never got any nasty remarks in fact id say that the eve community is more hostile nearly every thread ive seen here has people insulting each other and ingame, im not sure whethter its what pvp players all have to do but you can get some complete ****s.
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:57:00 - [12] the metal aspect and playing style of eve/wow are completly diffrent, we are the hardcore pvpers. wow is carebear mission running land. got it? ________________________ I'M POOR
Kaeten Hybrid Syndicate	Posted - 2008.08.29 11:59:00 - [13] Originally by: nartela i disagree when i was playin wow i never got any nasty remarks in fact id say that the eve community is more hostile nearly every thread ive seen here has people insulting each other and ingame, im not sure whethter its what pvp players all have to do but you can get some complete ****s. eve is also a harsh game where nearly everything is allowed ________________________ I'M POOR
Sarmea Moon Gallente The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.29 12:21:00 - [14] WoW is like AoL.. the training wheels of the internet. The population here is a quite a bit older on average, and a lot less risk adverse. We are the Fel to their Trammel ( for those who played UO, like our Devs). We are the red murderers who wonder where our victims have gone. We are the crafters who picked one skill, so we could keep up our flamestrike and archery defense skills. We are the ones who like to whistle in the dark, wondering which boogyman we can lure out of the woods. We are the adrenaline junkies who like our world dark. When you log into EvE, your gut tightens. WoW has battleground zerging... Oh NO, I lost my buffs, let me rebuff. My son plays WoW (15), I play EvE (40). For me, it's like teletubbies. Cute to watch from time to time, but makes you want to shoot all the kindergartners if you have to be subjected to it every day. Perception- WoW is where big purple barney gets smack-talked in the barrens, and hugged secretly by many others. EvE- he gets can-aggroed at the newbie station ( free epic loots!), can flipped while doing the initial mining, taken advantage of in his first corp to farm for them, and scrambled in low sec without popping for the Lulz( while listening to him scream in local). If he survives all this and doesn't quit the game, he'll become some 0.0 mascot- and then blamed for the next corp theft, and revealed as a GHSC main:D EvE is simply more complex, we are the sandbox to their guided development. Runs off to created the Great Purple Barney corp hehehheheehe, cmere little kiddie I got candy..... English doesn't borrow from other languages. It follows them down dark alleys, coshes 'em, and rummages in their pockets for loose bits of grammar.
Davina Braben	Posted - 2008.08.29 13:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Davina Braben on 29/08/2008 13:03:18 WoW appears to be just a refinement of what earlier MMOs were doing tbh. I didn't think it introduced anything wildly new. Never played EQ myself but it always sounded pretty similar from the people I knew who did play it. Also even if you dislike WoW you have to acknowledge some of the things it does really well. People who play EVE use it as an insult because they think they are serious business for playing EVE forgetting that it's still just a game and that their imaginary stuff is still imaginary. I think the correct response to "GB2WOW" is "GOYSELF".
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.08.29 13:29:00 - [16] Didn't bother reading the thread. gb2/WoW has nothing to do with WoW being crap. - DesuSigs
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.29 13:29:00 - [17] Originally by: Sarmea Moon WoW is like AoL.. the training wheels of the internet. That's going in my list of quotes Comparing EVE to WoW is a lot like comparing a computer geek who builds his rig using what he thinks should go into the build and thus optimizing it to suit his needs to a guy who buys his computers straight from Wal-Mart and just wants to press a button to get it to turn on. Me, I am a computer geek who likes to build his own rigs and tweaks everything to what he needs it to do. The average WoW player is the guy who has to call support to only find out he didn't plug in the power cable to turn his computer on.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.08.29 13:30:00 - [18] Originally by: nartela Edited by: nartela on 29/08/2008 11:12:01 please don't criticize the terrible way i right, i can only right properly on essays for some reason. yes thats right i want to know why people who play this game seem to hate warcraft so much, and even go so far to use it as an insult. e.g "go back to playing WoW" i never understood this hatred for warcraft and the garbage arguments that back it up. dont get me wrong i prefer eve love sci fi more then fantasy, but i dont mind warcraft. anyway please place your arguments for why you think warcraft is crap. try and refrain from using crap arguments such as these. 1 warcraft is for children (alot of people who play are over the age of 18) 2 its to easy (eve is just as easy once you get past the steep learning curve that last for about 3 days) 3 its just crap (10 million people disagree) insulting me is also not considered constructive debate. Aw c'mon! I'd hate to be the one grading those essays... I'll give you and WoW the same grade though, F for ffort. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Viqtoria Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.08.29 14:02:00 - [19] what a pathetic thread.
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.29 14:57:00 - [20] The arguments in this thread are nonsense. Not only the emo crap like "EVE is like building your own computer while WoW is like a Walmart PC" (= "it's bad because everyone plays it"), also the longer posts. Some facts: - people actually grind in WoW because there is a point ... in EVE you can grind as well and many people do, but there is no point other than earning ISK, so it's boring - you have "must have items that you will never lose" in EVE as well, they are your skills, your tactics and your friends - EVE tries to hold your hand as well (see tutorial, high sec) but it fails at it because it hides some game mechanics from the newbie in order to give experienced players a chance to grief him. Yeah, it's fun for some people and less fun for others. EVE is definetely a better game for people who enjoy feeling "uber" when they kill a noob who doesn't have a chance - WoW has a great single-player experience, EVE's is so-so (very limited content, DIY game). I don't see how this is an advantage for EVE, it just fails to accomodate some play styles. - EVE is not equally hard on all players, as you all know many richer people buy their way ahead with GTC=>ISK conversion. Sure, many people comfort themselves by saying that those end up on funny killmails with their faction fitted Navy Ravens etc. but in reality those GTC buyers are the "PVP gods" in EVE that kill you with their 8Km/s Nanosacrileges or (in the old days) with their lowsec pirating Motherships. I'm sorry to say, but even though you can buy WoW gold as well (illegaly, not like EVE), skill and persistence count a lot more in WoW.

Silence iKillYouu hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:24:00 - [21] Edited by: Silence iKillYouu on 29/08/2008 16:24:53 Before I started playing eve, I have (imo) experienced several mmo games such as mu online (linear to the bone, but it was fun, and it was my first), guild wars (which is the best fantasy pvp I ve ever played), and finally wow, which kept me on the hook for as long as 3 years (of course I took breaks from it, playing different games, or dealing with work or family), but the bottom line is, that I managed to get three characters to level 70, along with all the gimmicks (epics, both from raiding and heroic badges). Paladin, warlock and mage. It has been challenging the first time, and it was amusing the second, whereas it was somewhat routine the third time. But even so, I find the game compelling and I appreciate the fact that there have never been issues, even though I played on a pvp realm. As a side note, the smack, so present in eve, is almost inexistent in wow. Sure, you have your kids and your regular mindless fools, but that is human nature, you cannot find a perfect alternate universe, since humans still populate them, and they come along with the related defects. People claim that the risks that eve implies when fighting makes the game more appealing to a more mature audience, but frankly, if you take a look on COAD you ll get the big picture. Returning to wow. I believe the insights that make people refer to wow using a despising tone, and using ögo back to wowö as a word with insulting connotations descends from people s envy of the wow mechanics which, in the mind of a person who deals with losing sweat earned money everyday, seems unfair, and this is the subconscious backfiring. As a final note, a more relaxed smack-free attitude determines whether you belong with the big people or the little people, not the game mechanics that you choose to accept and go by. A less envious, less malevolent etiquette would only raise the standards of such a well established community as the one Eve Online benefits from. Respectfully yours, Silence
Xtreem Gallente Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:39:00 - [22] nothing beats logging into wow for a bit and hitting things with my axe, in 2 years of play im still only lvl 63 so i dont think that counts as power leveling. as said before i play wow, i play eve, but i dont want eve to become wow, its just people wanting features from wow, or compairing things to it that people get annoyed at, if people want wow features they need to play that, i bet there are not so many whines on the wow forums asking for spaceship mounts becuase eve has them etc :)
Straight Chillen Gallente Solar Wind	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:43:00 - [23] My problem with WoW is that it IS to easy. My first MM0 was EQ. And it was a serious grind back then to get up to the higher levels. There was a sense of accomplishment when you dinged. I played on my friends account for litteraly two days and was up to level 30 sumtin. There is nothing to it. You just bust through all the levels to get to the raiding game, which is so lame. And if you think you can really learn EVE in 3 days, you have some rude awakenings ahead. _
Silence iKillYouu hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.29 16:57:00 - [24] Actually, it isn t lame. It s the way the interface is made and the quest texts that facilitate a somewhat perfect stress free environment. This makes it easy, fun and the utter simplicity is one of the most important features in a game, back in the day, when I had time to read game magazines, I distinctly remember the interface, and the easiness of the way a new player blends in and masters the game features was rated, and in games that missed them, it was criticized. Whether you choose a game with a harder to master, more complex interface such as masters of orion or the opposite is a player-specific variable. De gustibus non discutandum.
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.29 17:13:00 - [25] Originally by: Lazuran Some facts: - people actually grind in WoW because there is a point ... in EVE you can grind as well and many people do, but there is no point other than earning ISK, so it's boring That is where you are missing the point.....if you don't grind ISK for sole purpose of PVP then you are doing it wrong. I grind ISK so that I can buy ships to blow up other players. I don't make ISK for ISK sake. Originally by: Lazuran - you have "must have items that you will never lose" in EVE as well, they are your skills, your tactics and your friends You CAN loose your skillpoints....and "tactics" change.....and you can lose friends as well as make new friends in EVE. Originally by: Lazuran ....it hides some game mechanics from the newbie in order to give experienced players a chance to grief him. Sigh. Spoken like a true carebear. Most "PVPers" don't grief new players. Even so, the game is meant for "adult" gamers who don't get emo over a blown up ship. Survival of the fittest. Can't cut the mustard in empire space, then you shouldn't be playing EVE because the whole POINT of EVE is pvp....mining/market trading/taking regions. If you don't accept that, then you deserve to be griefed. Originally by: Lazuran - WoW has a great single-player experience, EVE's is so-so (very limited content, DIY game). I don't see how this is an advantage for EVE, it just fails to accomodate some play styles. Where do people get the idea that a MMO should have anything to do with single player? MMO=Massive Multiplyer Online. Yes, EVE has boring single player.....that's like saying the lunch buffet at a *** bar isn't any good....well no shit Sherlock. If you go to a * bar to eat lunch then you are DOING IT WRONG Originally by:** Lazuran - EVE is not equally hard on all players, as you all know many richer people buy their way ahead with GTC=>ISK conversion. Sure, many people comfort themselves by saying that those end up on funny killmails with their faction fitted Navy Ravens etc. but in reality those GTC buyers are the "PVP gods" in EVE that kill you with their 8Km/s Nanosacrileges or (in the old days) with their lowsec pirating Motherships. I'm sorry to say, but even though you can buy WoW gold as well (illegaly, not like EVE), skill and persistence count a lot more in WoW. Lol. I know so many "gods of PVP" that are ALWAYS flat busted it's not even funny. I even made a deal with a buddy who FC's all the time: get me a super cap kill, and I give you a fully-fitted Cerberus each time. I've had to give him 7 Cerberus so far You know who you are Seriously, you are playing the wrong game if you play the game to grind ISK....and don't know what to do with the ISK.....
Silence iKillYouu hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.08.29 17:18:00 - [26] Edited by: Silence iKillYouu on 29/08/2008 17:20:05 Why would grinding affect the gameplay in an MMO? This is besides the point as grinding occurs even in the simplest of games. It s a work-reward concept which determines whether you ll reach the high-end of the game or not. Of course in Eve you can buy the ISK you want, by using GTCs. But even so standing/reputation, isk/gold, items/ships, skills/levels, they all have the purpose of creating a hierarchy, and a secondary purpose of prolonging the half-life of the game. I agree with the reikoku bloke, on almost all aspects regarding this matter. Edit: Which couldn t refrain from flaming btw. Is there no path towards a friendly approach when discussing matters (eve-related, or otherwise)?
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.29 17:52:00 - [27] Edited by: Lazuran on 29/08/2008 17:55:12 Originally by: Buxaroo Originally by: Lazuran Some facts: - people actually grind in WoW because there is a point ... in EVE you can grind as well and many people do, but there is no point other than earning ISK, so it's boring That is where you are missing the point.....if you don't grind ISK for sole purpose of PVP then you are doing it wrong. I grind ISK so that I can buy ships to blow up other players. I don't make ISK for ISK sake. A lot of people do ... Are they all ISK sellers? As for grinding for PVP, it's boring and I've given up since I can sell GTCs for ISK if needed (still living on hoarded ISK). Quote: Originally by: Lazuran - you have "must have items that you will never lose" in EVE as well, they are your skills, your tactics and your friends You CAN loose your skillpoints....and "tactics" change.....and you can lose friends as well as make new friends in EVE. You can lose SP if you're stupid / an accident happens / you have no jump clones, otherwise not. Same if you accidentally destroy some equipment in WoW. Quote: Originally by: Lazuran - WoW has a great single-player experience, EVE's is so-so (very limited content, DIY game). I don't see how this is an advantage for EVE, it just fails to accomodate some play styles. Where do people get the idea that a MMO should have anything to do with single player? MMO=Massive Multiplyer Online. Yes, EVE has boring single player.....that's like saying the lunch buffet at a *** bar isn't any good....well no shit Sherlock. If you go to a * bar to eat lunch then you are DOING IT WRONG Just referring to some earlier points about the single-player experience, which you are just reiterating. Fact is, WoW is better at providing players a good solo experience. It caters to a wider audience and it's not "wrong" even though it's an MMO. It is also much, much better at providing a group PVE experience but that's carebearish, right? In EVE I often do things solo and I also don't have the impression that I'm doing it wrong. I certainly don't need friends to build / trade / run missions / solo PVP. There's quite some solo content in EVE, but it's bland and boring, that's all. Quote: Originally by:** Lazuran - EVE is not equally hard on all players, as you all know many richer people buy their way ahead with GTC=>ISK conversion. Sure, many people comfort themselves by saying that those end up on funny killmails with their faction fitted Navy Ravens etc. but in reality those GTC buyers are the "PVP gods" in EVE that kill you with their 8Km/s Nanosacrileges or (in the old days) with their lowsec pirating Motherships. I'm sorry to say, but even though you can buy WoW gold as well (illegaly, not like EVE), skill and persistence count a lot more in WoW. Lol. I know so many "gods of PVP" that are ALWAYS flat busted it's not even funny. I even made a deal with a buddy who FC's all the time: get me a super cap kill, and I give you a fully-fitted Cerberus each time. I've had to give him 7 Cerberus so far You know who you are And I know a LOT of "gods of PVP" that have sold zillions of GTCs. Example (formerly "PVP corp of the year" 0utbreak member) Quote: Seriously, you are playing the wrong game if you play the game to grind ISK....and don't know what to do with the ISK..... I am not grinding ISK. I just feel that WoW is wronged because some people try to turn its good points into bad ones (good solo content is bad because it's an MMO, lol ... just like you must be a carebear if you find obscure game mechanics wrong if they are used to kill new players - like the "lofty").
Tao Han Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Ludi Tomina You die in EVE......... Your ship is lost, if you are podded you also loose your expensive implants and....you never get them again!! now imagine you are a Titan pilot with uber implants. That death just costed you and your alliance god know how many days of playing. Some people (although minority) likes it when its tough, and wouldnt want it any other way. And yet I find it more annoying to die in WoW than in EVE. Perhaps its the pointlessness (is it a word?) of it or that I in most cases dont even get a chance to defend myself.
Buxaroo Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:03:00 - [29] Well I don't understand why people play an MMO and then focus on single player type stuff. When I want SP gameplay, I tend to boot up Mass Effect or KOTOR for that Oh grinding ISK is boring don't get me wrong. But that's OK, because I only do it so I can PVP. And that's the whole point of EVE. I mean why play an MMO so you can play solo? It just doesn't make sense to me. I can understand if you pvp while going solo....that's OK because you are fighting another player. I am not ridiculing single player games because I play them occasionally to. But all of EVE revolves around one key thing and that is player vs. player in every sense of the word. It's a giant sandbox as the cliche goes.
Lazuran Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.08.29 18:07:00 - [30] Originally by: Buxaroo Well I don't understand why people play an MMO and then focus on single player type stuff. When I want SP gameplay, I tend to boot up Mass Effect or KOTOR for that Oh grinding ISK is boring don't get me wrong. But that's OK, because I only do it so I can PVP. And that's the whole point of EVE. I mean why play an MMO so you can play solo? It just doesn't make sense to me. I can understand if you pvp while going solo....that's OK because you are fighting another player. It's not like that. You cannot always play with other people - sometimes there is no FC on, there are no ops and noone wants to roam, what do you do? Sit on a gatecamp? It's the same with WoW. People need to be organized to go on raids and you need stuff to do in between. Quote: I am not ridiculing single player games because I play them occasionally to. But all of EVE revolves around one key thing and that is player vs. player in every sense of the word. It's a giant sandbox as the cliche goes. Yep, solo and group PVP ...

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