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Esna Pitoojee Amarr Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem	Posted - 2008.08.29 21:33:00 - [1] Some time ago, I requested that members of the capsuleer community pose questions for two slaves in my service to answer. The results have finally been posted on Galnet! Go here to read the interview transcript. Again, my apologies for the delay - the reason is explained at the end of the interview. So, how did I do? Anything I could improve? If this proves popular enough, I may attempt to do it again. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.08.29 22:56:00 - [2] Most interesting, Lord Pitoojee. I completely understand your frustration with the Ministry, as I too, have had more than a few ... difficulties with them. I am glad to see that you have completed your project in such a manner, and appreciate the effort you took to make it so. I am somewhat sad, though, as I dont think many will look at it objectively, or even care what you or your slaves have to say. They are too caught up in their own point of view to see it. There is an old saying about not being able to see a forest because of all the trees. It took some time for me to understand exactly what Hakarris was talking about. All in all, however, I salute you sir. May the Light of God show you the way.
Eran Mintor 17th Minmatar Tactical Wing	Posted - 2008.08.30 06:11:00 - [3] I think it turned out well. The two questioned showed a fairly large range of opinions on the matter, and I think a lot can be learned from what was said. However, I'm not sure what the point of some of those questions were...but it was interesting never-the-less. I have more to say, but I must sit and reflect. I thank you for the release of one of our brothers, it's a small start.
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.08.30 06:12:00 - [4] Edited by: Inara Subaka on 30/08/2008 06:13:51 Inara activates the IGS comm in her office orbiting Rancer, she appears quite deep in thought Pilot Pitoojee... stops for a moment contemplating her next words First I guess I should thank you for allowing this interview to take place, even though many will complain and accuse you of influencing their answers. Secondly, I must wonder, in hopes of a response, what your reasons for releasing Lokhar Vistruass. Obviously he was quite an asset to you (not to mention the security risk he could pose during a time of war), and having heard many complaints from my own slaves any time I visited the Rens system about cleaning my ships I can assure you that the station is anything but in "good condition"... I wouldn't wish that on many of the people I don't like. And I have been asked by a sneaky little girl, named Kotie, that was hiding in my office when I was playing the interview if he (I'm guessing Mr. Vistruass) will miss his new friends. I believe her words were, "I know I wouldn't wanna move, nope, I gots too many friends here. And who would feed Drippy?" (For those that don't know, Drippy is the Drooler Hound that she has taken a liking to and he seems quite protective of her). I promised her that I'd ask if she promised not to sneak into my office when I wasn't around anymore. EDIT: as soon as the channel closed, it reopens Perhaps it would be prudent to link this to the previous conversation, and the origin of the questions asked.
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.30 08:59:00 - [5] Quite interesting. Do you not feel that the releasing a slave simply because he wishes to be released will put yourself into danger in Amarr? It is my understanding that what you call the "true Amarr law" is not what is universally accepted in the Empire and that attitudes have become harsher since the start of the war? -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Vikarion Caldari BLACK 0RIGIN Red Dawn Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:17:00 - [6] Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Quite interesting. Do you not feel that the releasing a slave simply because he wishes to be released will put yourself into danger in Amarr? It is my understanding that what you call the "true Amarr law" is not what is universally accepted in the Empire and that attitudes have become harsher since the start of the war? Remember that, from the perspective of a hard-line Amarrian, his slaves are his property, and he may do with them as he wishes. Besides, attitudes in the Empire have hardened much less than their corresponding Matari counterparts. This is likely due to the general unease over the new Empress. -------- Where I got my great sig...
Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.30 17:12:00 - [7] Originally by: Vikarion Remember that, from the perspective of a hard-line Amarrian, his slaves are his property, and he may do with them as he wishes. Only as long as they won't decide he is a heretic. Quote: Besides, attitudes in the Empire have hardened much less than their corresponding Matari counterparts. This is likely due to the general unease over the new Empress. Different discussion completely. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Zarkahesh Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.08.30 21:07:00 - [8] I can but pray for the day when such liberal mistreatment of slaves is effectively abolished in the Empire. How can they reach salvation when they are treated with such laxity of discipline? Appalling. Even more surprising is your frank admission of releasing your charge to Sister of Eve s****even with prior knowledge of the position of the Ministry of Internal Order on the matter. This is a dangerous game you play with the rightful arbiters of order in the Empire. Perhaps they will find your family is in dire need of knowing the burden of the chain so that they may learn of their proper duty to God, yes?
Esna Pitoojee Amarr Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem	Posted - 2008.08.31 01:53:00 - [9] Thank you all for your responses. Originally by: Inara Subaka Edited by: Inara Subaka on 30/08/2008 06:13:51 Secondly, I must wonder, in hopes of a response, what your reasons for releasing Lokhar Vistruass. Obviously he was quite an asset to you (not to mention the security risk he could pose during a time of war), and having heard many complaints from my own slaves any time I visited the Rens system about cleaning my ships I can assure you that the station is anything but in "good condition"... I wouldn't wish that on many of the people I don't like. Well, mostly I did it because it'd be downright hypocritical to insist that I'm giving these people every freedom I can, and then say that one of them can't leave my service. Aside from that, the Amarrian law I follow (being one of the more liberal interpretations) states that unwilling slavery is only to be forced upon someone as penance for a crime, and Mr. Vistrauss has certainly commited no crime. The security ramifacations do not worry me unduly either, as by the time one of my enemies tracks down Vistrauss, arranges to meet him, and then coerces him to reveal information about my ships, I will likely have changed the setup anyway. Considering the distance between my current 'stomping grounds' and rens, it would be faster to attempt to scout my craft personally. Originally by: Elsebeth Rhiannon Quite interesting. Do you not feel that the releasing a slave simply because he wishes to be released will put yourself into danger in Amarr? It is my understanding that what you call the "true Amarr law" is not what is universally accepted in the Empire and that attitudes have become harsher since the start of the war? I hardly hide the fact that I accept a rather liberal interpretation of the original Scriptures, and that those who follow a harder-line interpretation will have likely been angered by my actions (judging from his statement, captain Zarkahesh makes an excelent example). I believe that like many a warrior, there are those in the Empire who have been blinded by blood-lust, and under the influence of any lust is hardely a good state to be making decisions that affect the future of the entire Amarr people. There are also those, of course, who follow a stricter interpretation because it suits thier greed - for instance, allowing them to work their slaves mercilessly while spending barely enough in food and accomadations to keep said slaves alive. Again, unless the slaves have committed some truly despiccable crime, there is no need to subject them to such treatment. Oh, and by the way, Zarkahesh, if you feel like flying out deep into the Bleak Lands, dodging Matari fleets and the pirate gangs that infested that region, and then battling it out with my family's security forces... well, you're welcome to try. You will be making an example of why our nation is faltering: Attacking and enslaving someone because you don't like something another member of their family said, instead of trying to deal with the real corruption that has permeated the Empire. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
BloodBird Gallente Tactical Freedom Alliance	Posted - 2008.08.31 03:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Zarkahesh I can but pray for the day when such liberal mistreatment of slaves is effectively abolished in the Empire. How can they reach salvation when they are treated with such laxity of discipline? Appalling. Even more surprising is your frank admission of releasing your charge to Sister of Eve s****even with prior knowledge of the position of the Ministry of Internal Order on the matter. This is a dangerous game you play with the rightful arbiters of order in the Empire. Perhaps they will find your family is in dire need of knowing the burden of the chain so that they may learn of their proper duty to God, yes? I've observed this conversation because I wondered how long it would be before some hard-ass Amarr would arrive to whine over how Mr Pitoojee treats his own property. Honestly, I believed Amarrians did as they pleased with their own assets, and where free to do so. YOUR only problem it seems, is that he did not treat them hard enough. Heck, you even hinted that the Empire should... disipline him, by enslaving his own family. I very much doubht they will do that, at least not right away. Finaly, what do you care if he miss-treat his slaves or treat them like human beings, as most Amarr should? After all, it's his property and he have his god-given right to do with that property as he pleases. Sig source

Elsebeth Rhiannon Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.08.31 11:14:00 - [11] Originally by: BloodBird Honestly, I believed Amarrians did as they pleased with their own assets, and where free to do so. I used to believe this too. It seems that is the image the Amarr "lords" want to feed us - that they are all-powerful, with no one to rule over them but the God. That view suits them, of course. Unfortunately, the truth seems to be different. The Amarr lord or lady is free to do as he or she pleases only as long as they play the complex game of power by the rules of the Empress and her favorites. Anger the wrong person, follow the wrong interpretation of the Scripture, make some other move that puts you out of favor, and you find your infinite power vanished and yourself and your family and your property facing exile and death, or worse. I say "unfortunately" not so much out of compassion to the Amarr rulers, but because this reality makes the situation more complex than a simple, romanticized battle of the suffering oppressed against the over-powerful oppressor. -- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
Zarkahesh Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.03 19:15:00 - [12] The fundamental flaw with you, Captain Pitoojee seems to be your belief that the slaves you are charged with are in any way human. They are not. To be human is to accept God into your heart, to submit to his divine will in all things. Your compassion is wasted on such beasts for such a high act can only be comprehended and appreciated by the faithful. An animal cannot feel anything but the most base desires for true love is a gift from God to His faithful and neither can a slave for they are nothing but an animal bereft of any higher purpose. I can say I loved the Slaver Hound I had as a child, I was kind and compassionate to it, loved it as only a child could but in the end it was only an animal and such things were wasted on it. Indeed, my foolish notions caused a fine Syrikos pedigree to become obese, lazy and slack-jawed. Unfortunate indeed, Captain Pitoojee that you were unable to divest yourself of your own foolish and childish notions. Besides, allowing a slave to take advantage of our better natures is nothing but detrimental to their salvation. For the scriptures tell us: "Only through many hardships Is a man stripped to his very foundations And in such a state Devoid of distractions Is his soul free to soar And in this He is closest to God" Slaves are made to do hard work, not only because it befits their status as animals but that same hard work brings them closer to God. It strips the veil of falsehoods of the Deceiver from around their souls. The slave must be broken first in order to be remade in God's image. Some heathens think this is cruelty but is it when compared to salvation? What is worldly suffering when the reward is eternal Paradise? The suffering of the slave only serves to bring them closer to the truth of God and away from the lies of the Deceiver. God showed us the price when we allowed the slaves to know our kindness, our compassion, our love. They rebelled against God, rewarded us with their hate, their anger, their hatred of everything that is good and righteous in this world. We forgot that the slave is nothing but an animal and can do naught but bite the hand that feeds them. Remember that Captain Pitoojee the next time you show your slaves your compassion for it may be your hand they will try to bite.
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.09.03 21:33:00 - [13] Pilot Zarkahesh, I would posit that the slave is indeed human, only unknowing of the grace of God. It is our charge to enlighten them, and teach them of the glory of God and of His Works. Hardships do not necessarily entail brutal labor and abuse for the pleasure of the Master, for that smacks of the sin of Lust and Pride. My own slaves do not rebel against me, for they are well cared for, they labor quietly, and well. They rise each day and go about their tasks and attend Chapel twice a week. They respect the Holy days and know of the bounty and blessing of God. Consequently, they are productive, good mannered and are a testament to their own fortitude and achievements. They serve me and I in turn, serve them. I ensure the best care and concern that can be expected. Being cruel and malicious would serve no purpose, and would likely ensure that many more of them would attempt to sabotage things, to connive with the "underground" and to undermine all that we have accomplished. I am not sure why others cannot see that it is better to be just and fair with their slaves those that they rule. Do not use brutality and pain as a goad, do not use heavy-handed malice as your only reward and you will find that they respond better, and over time, they even may come to respect you, not the whip you carry. Just my thoughts. God go with you all, Pilots.
Tobias Creed Minmatar Rens Ex Slave Acadamy	Posted - 2008.09.04 21:47:00 - [14] I was informed this morning that Lokhar Vistruass arrived safely last night at the Sisters of Eve station in Rens in which the Ex Slave Acadamy is hosted. I understand it took several days to ensure his safety. He, along with 14 other recently freed slaves, will over the next week be partaking in a survey course meant to familiarize him with various careers and possibilities. It is likely he will then choose to proceed to a more engineering specific survey course. I plan to visit the school myself today and meet with him. In regards to the interview, they were well enough carried out, though perhaps interviewing your own longtime personal slave was not representative of slavery as a whole. (and in regards to her account, I would urge you to attempt to purchase her family and move them out of the warzone. She is obviously a valuable servant to you, and if they are killed in the crossfire of a planetary invasion it will likely make things much more difficult for her.) I find it interesting that Lokhar, who has been traded among many masters and thus is representative of slavery as a whole, had a story that was able to inspire you to free him. ----- CCP has determined that some alliances were gaining an unfair advantage through the ability of their players to log in. They responded by nerfing boot.ini
Zarkahesh Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.05 10:33:00 - [15] Originally by: Veron Daerth I would posit that the slave is indeed human, only unknowing of the grace of God. If the slave is unknowing of the grace of God then they are not human. A man without God is an animal. The slave must always be reminded that until they submit and kneel before God then they are no better than an animal. If they are not, then only hubris will fill their hearts and they will forget their place in God's plan, indeed try and rise above it. That can never be allowed. Never forget the Matari and their rebellion against God. Oh, and Captain Daerth, Lust? Are you trying to imply that any true Amarrian would deign to bed a slave, a beast? I do not know how you run your house but by your own admissions I would posit that such sin and deviancy are not unknown to you. The touch of that Jin-Mei animal you call your wife must not feel all that different from the rest of your charges. Perhaps it would please you if one day all in the Empire follow your example and we shall all be married to slaver hounds and furriers. It amazes me how you are even able to keep your fiefs, but then again you are a Tash-Murkonite are you not? I can only surmise that among the newly raised it has been forgotten how swift God's justice can be. Unfortunate.
Tobias Creed Minmatar Rens Ex Slave Acadamy	Posted - 2008.09.05 18:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Zarkahesh Originally by: Veron Daerth I would posit that the slave is indeed human, only unknowing of the grace of God. If the slave is unknowing of the grace of God then they are not human. A man without God is an animal. The slave must always be reminded that until they submit and kneel before God then they are no better than an animal. If they are not, then only hubris will fill their hearts and they will forget their place in God's plan, indeed try and rise above it. That can never be allowed. Never forget the Matari and their rebellion against God. I would discuss this with you, but since you consider me less than human there's not much point. Perhaps we can settle this in the bleak lands one day. ----- CCP has determined that some alliances were gaining an unfair advantage through the ability of their players to log in. They responded by nerfing boot.ini
Vlad Cetes Caldari Heretic Militia	Posted - 2008.09.05 18:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Zarkahesh Originally by: Veron Daerth I would posit that the slave is indeed human, only unknowing of the grace of God. If the slave is unknowing of the grace of God then they are not human. A man without God is an animal. The slave must always be reminded that until they submit and kneel before God then they are no better than an animal. If they are not, then only hubris will fill their hearts and they will forget their place in God's plan, indeed try and rise above it. That can never be allowed. Never forget the Matari and their rebellion against God. . Humanity......is wekaness. If you think those who know the truth about your "god" and its falsity are sub-human, think again. Some of us, like myself, forsake or humanity for something greater. This shell that I am, is physically and mentally more powerful than any flesh and blood that you consider your "humanity". Perhap a demonstartion of this can be arranged........yes my bloodlust must be satiated. I do not see why man should not be just as cruel as nature.
Veron Daerth Amarr Blood Meridian	Posted - 2008.09.05 20:23:00 - [18] Originally by: Zarkahesh Lust? Are you trying to imply that any true Amarrian would deign to bed a slave, a beast? I do not know how you run your house but by your own admissions I would posit that such sin and deviancy are not unknown to you. The touch of that Jin-Mei animal you call your wife must not feel all that different from the rest of your charges. Perhaps it would please you if one day all in the Empire follow your example and we shall all be married to slaver hounds and furriers. It amazes me how you are even able to keep your fiefs, but then again you are a Tash-Murkonite are you not? I can only surmise that among the newly raised it has been forgotten how swift God's justice can be. Unfortunate. <Veron Daerth sneers> Fool, Lust comes in many forms, and need not be simply carnal in its nature. Taking pleasure in the brutality of torture and pain is Lust. Deriving joy from harming another needlessly is Lust. One can Lust for many things, Lord Zarkahesh, blood, money, women, power, and anything that one can desire beyond need or measure. But then, I cant expect an (what were you again) Ardishapur dog to know that, now can I? Youre all so hidebound we wouldnt even have fire or the wheel if you ran everything. <Veron Daerth laughs> And my animal of a wife asks me to tell you that I only bed good looking animals, ones with class, unlike Idonis Ardishapur, apparently. Quote: Involuntary, his mind drifted to the little hiding place he had down in the city, to the lithe and winsome creature he whispered words of passion and affection to during lovemaking. His family and friends would be appalled if they knew of his dark-skinned Starkmanir girl, with her almond eyes and her smile that was coy and bold at the same time. You may find the entire thing here. You ask how I maintain my fiefs? Simple. Usefulness. My factories produce better products, more quickly, and in greater quantity than any other comparable operation. Yes, they cost a bit more, but the quality of what I produce makes up for that. But then, I guess someone as ... narrow-minded as you wouldnt understand that the Empire cannot run on sermons and hymns and faith alone. When the guns of the warriors fire, its my crystals and missiles that are fired. When your crews eat, its my food that is on their plates. When your reactors break down, its my parts that are ordered to replace them. My House is mercantile, for the most part. We produce everything from clothing to foodstuffs, ammunition, weapons, entire ships. Building material, raw material. You name it, My House has a facility that probably makes some of it. There are many of us, and yes, Tash-Murkon is heavily invested in business. It is us, the producers, that keep you in business, you warriors. You sneer at us and ridicule our efforts, but like it or not, without us, the Empire would not exist. We are the builders of temples and chapels and palaces, we build the stations, the cities, the great works of our history. We clothe and feed and provision everything. Without us, there would BE NO WAR, for you would have run out of materials long ago. We create and transport and resupply. We are the foundation, the beginning, the seat of all endeavor. So yes, Ardishapur lapdog, by all means deride us. Scoff and mock all you wish. But at the end of the day, I am still here, and you still have your weapons and means to continue to do war. But long after this war is over, my House will still be here, and will still produce. Can you say the same? Regardless, may the Light of God guide and protect you.
Drakonus Laerdon Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.05 21:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Zarkahesh If the slave is unknowing of the grace of God then they are not human. A man without God is an animal. The slave must always be reminded that until they submit and kneel before God then they are no better than an animal. If they are not, then only hubris will fill their hearts and they will forget their place in God's plan, indeed try and rise above it. That can never be allowed. Never forget the Matari and their rebellion against God. I usually am not one to interject into a squabble, but there is an error here that I feel I must correct. Zarkahesh, the lessor races are indeed "human". God created them that way as he created all of us. At the time of Creation, we were all of God's children and none more special than the other. However, millenia ago, every race turned from God to sin and had forgotten Him. Every race, save the True Amarr. It was at that point that we had become God's Chosen. Allow me to show evidence: Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good. Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land. The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood. But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God. Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one." -The Scriptures. Book II. We have been tasked by the Lord to bring the lessor humans back into His fold. It is His command: I give you the destiny of Faith, and you will bring its message to every planet of every star in the heavens: Go forth, conquer in my Name, and reclaim that which I have given. - Book of Reclaiming 22:13, The Scriptures Do not forget our Holy Mission, to bring the heathens back into His fold, and remind them of their place. They are NOT animals. --------------- Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed nomini tuo da gloriam.

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