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D0zzer	Posted - 2008.08.30 06:34:00 - [1] CONCORD and Response Times CONCORD have gone through multiple changes in organization and effectiveness. The spawn sizes have been reduced to one battleship and two cruisers, however, these ships have increased damage output and a broad range of electronic warfare to prevent escape. In addition the Energy Neutralizing batteries will completely drain a ships capacitor almost instantly. CONCORD will also proceed to eliminate any discarded player Drones. CONCORD response times for aggressing a neutral player in High Security space have also been significantly reduced. Having read the new patch notes (above), do you feel this is going to have any meaningful impact on slowing suicide ganking down in High Sec. Or is it just a case of needing more ships to do the job due to the quicker response time, and apparent 'shut down of combat'?
Talan Calonid VEX.	Posted - 2008.08.30 06:46:00 - [2] There is more than one kind of sui gank, so you would have to be more specific.
kibbeard Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:15:00 - [3] Does anybody have the numbers for the new response times yet?
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:17:00 - [4] its simply going to make them track a target worth more for longer, instead of saying " lets suicide gank someone NOW" and scanning the hold of the nearest obelisk and thinking "this is good enough" they will actually have to choose a target worth suicid ganking and the words from one suicide ganker: dont worry, we will just use more cheap ships instead of less expensive ones so you might see a gang of suicide drakes instead of torp ravens from now on Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
ImUrDestiny Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.08.30 07:40:00 - [5] I don't like the patch changes, so i decided to suicide gank as many Hulks as possible before it is deployed (have plenty of sec status to burn). I'm up to 5 now, 2 more to go. I suggest everyone do the same, insured t1 fit brutix only sets you back a few mill.
Jimer Lins Gallente Federation Fleet	Posted - 2008.08.30 09:57:00 - [6] It's not CONCORD response time that's really gonna hurt. It's the increased sec hit in higher sec systems.
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.30 10:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Jimer Lins It's not CONCORD response time that's really gonna hurt. It's the increased sec hit in higher sec systems. This, they've tripled all sec hits. off the top of my head, I think that's 6% for ship kills, 37.5% for pod kills.
Marquis Zenas Gallente m3 Corp BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:06:00 - [8] Don't forget the new insta-cap drain feature. No more discoships. --------------------------
abbagabba Gallente Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2008.08.30 11:42:00 - [9] Response times have been halved with insta neut/jam/scram on arrival. Security penalties are between 1.5 and 3 times higher. Insurance removal is coming in the next patch. Good job CCP, high sec was in desperate need of a buff like this
Clair Bear Coalition of Nations Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.08.30 16:31:00 - [10] Originally by: Nexus Kinnon This, they've tripled all sec hits. off the top of my head, I think that's 6% for ship kills, 37.5% for pod kills. Oh no, instead of going from 5.0 to 4.93 for a ship kill (assuming they have drones out) I'll go to 4.7 or so? The horror. Instead of 2 belts it'll take me an HOUR to rat that back up! Faster concord response time is the real issue. I'm still fine with being able to suicide 30 ships a month instead of 100.

leboe The Aftermath.	Posted - 2008.08.30 16:35:00 - [11] so maybe you need 2 brutii on a 0.5 gate (assuming poor gunnery and t1 guns) and have to do twice as many missions to make it up. people will probably hauler multi-billion isk worth of assets in an untanked badger2 even more now. This "false" sense of security could benifit pirates? Remember suicide gank day? I lost 2 brutix and didnt kill a thing, after everything the 10mil prize for sucking i got actually allowed me to make a profit after modules (and thats T2 mag stabs and DCU) they didnt take away insurance, yet
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.08.30 16:36:00 - [12] All this new measure will do is slow down suicide for lolz and impulsiveness. People who have their sh*t together and actually have good intel and patience will still be able to do what they want. In fact, I reckon the Concord buff and SS penalties will probably make a bunch of Empire movers even more complacent and innatentive.
Darrien Hayes Caldari Gay Liberation Society	Posted - 2008.08.30 16:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Marquis Zenas Don't forget the new insta-cap drain feature. No more discoships. not an issue, a favourite sui ship killing haulers in jita is Hurricane with 425 autos, no cap needed, just plenty of armor
cpt Mark	Posted - 2008.08.30 16:52:00 - [14] Originally by: Talan Calonid There is more than one kind of sui gank, so you would have to be more specific. The one where u die? =))
Morbius Karlock	Posted - 2008.08.30 21:07:00 - [15] i hear teh concord go fer your drones if you use them to aggress first, is that true?
Nexus Kinnon A Few Good Men.	Posted - 2008.08.30 21:10:00 - [16] Originally by: Morbius Karlock i hear teh concord go fer your drones if you use them to aggress first, is that true? no
Bryg Philomena Mystery Method	Posted - 2008.08.30 22:19:00 - [17] this sucks... I got bored lately and have just been taking ships out and suiciding force recons.... damn jammers... I just hate em, so I blow em up. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars??? Your signature
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.31 06:44:00 - [18] Originally by: ImUrDestiny I don't like the patch changes, so i decided to suicide gank as many Hulks as possible before it is deployed (have plenty of sec status to burn). I'm up to 5 now, 2 more to go. I suggest everyone do the same, insured t1 fit brutix only sets you back a few mill. I cry a little inside every time I see a solo t1 bc taking out a hulk in highsec. For **s sake doesn't anyone who mines know what the **ing hell the term 'tank' means? Great Jebus Almighty.. And for such a 'devastating' blow to suicide ganking I would have thought this thread would have achieved epic status by now. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.31 07:28:00 - [19] Originally by: Zeba I would have thought this thread would have achieved epic status by now. Epic. There ya go. ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.08.31 07:54:00 - [20] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Zeba I would have thought this thread would have achieved epic status by now. Epic. There ya go. Ahh.. A post by someone who cornered the market on long-limbed roes. Epic Indeed. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan

techzer0 Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.08.31 08:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Zeba I would have thought this thread would have achieved epic status by now. Epic. There ya go. Ahh.. A post by someone who cornered the market on long-limbed roes. Epic Indeed. I's gonna suicecidee gank ur pod. ------------ Originally by: Nexus Kinnon I could outgay you even without my pink tutu. >.>
Havohej The Defias Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.08.31 09:46:00 - [22] Quote: Players who attack and kill a member of any Non Player Corporation e.g. Brutor Tribe, State Protectorate in 0.0 space will no longer receive a standing hit to that Corporation lol Originally by: CCP Explorer You can still steal their stuff.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.08.31 12:50:00 - [23] Caldari/Minmatar buff tbh. Good luck suiciding anyone in a Brutix now :(
Avan Strega Infusion. The Firm.	Posted - 2008.08.31 19:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Caldari/Minmatar buff tbh. Good luck suiciding anyone in a Brutix now :( CONCORD have insta-jammed you for ages now as soon as they spawn. Cap drain (they may already do this, have never noticed) makes no difference, if your target isn't already dead by the time CONCORD spawn, they're not dying. Because you're jammed. This is already the case, will continue to be the case. Faster response time is what will make it more difficult.
Xasz AnTi.	Posted - 2008.09.01 01:10:00 - [25] Originally by: Avan Strega Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Caldari/Minmatar buff tbh. Good luck suiciding anyone in a Brutix now :( CONCORD have insta-jammed you for ages now as soon as they spawn. Cap drain (they may already do this, have never noticed) makes no difference, if your target isn't already dead by the time CONCORD spawn, they're not dying. Because you're jammed. This is already the case, will continue to be the case. Faster response time is what will make it more difficult. It eliminates discoboats, smartbombs don't need a lock. --Random Links:-- eve-pirate.com, read and share your Yarr adventures Ransom Boards, get one for your corp
Wonton Tomato Suicide Girls	Posted - 2008.09.01 16:49:00 - [26] Just visited the test server in a 0.8, a torp raven with average skills had no problem insta-jibbing the casual afk passive tanked Itty V. Insurance is paid out like before and the sec hit isn't even close to deterring the suicidal frame of mind.
Antarr Slagh Trans Eve Organization	Posted - 2008.09.01 17:00:00 - [27] The change is stupid. "Well of course people should be 100% safe hauling their goods in high-sec." Wrong. Stop buffing highsec :(
Crazy Tasty Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.09.01 18:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Antarr Slagh The change is stupid. "Well of course people should be 100% safe hauling their goods in high-sec." Wrong. Stop buffing highsec :( Qft.


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